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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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February 10, 2016 - 4:41pm

#181

jrf68@hotmail.com

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Off topic

Moses GuestLive Stages Get some...it's good. :) ...Over The Car->Under The Stairs...
February 10, 2016 - 3:13pm

#182

LoveJerry

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dharwin

Somebody on the other thread, I forget who, brought up a point about the secondary market, which was basically that Rhino depends on it to ensure they sell x number of copies of each release in a very short amount of time. This guy who wrote the article worked for a record company or something, I wish I could find the post. But it totally makes sense. Basically, Rhino needs to sellout each release in 3 or 4 weeks to not only be profitable, but to extend the life of the series. By making it limited edition, they sellout immediately and actually rely on the secondary market to be there and buy out what the individuals don't buy. It amounts to free distribution for Rhino. They sell off their 16,500 Dave's Picks in a week, and never pay a dime in distribution costs. For Rhino this means more dollars per unit and less units sold to make both make a profit and re-invest in the next release (and making the next profit). So I get it. Rhino is a very unique position, in that they have a rare product with seemingly no end, and this thing called the internet. And in fact, these very message boards are a major source of advertisement. I'm just happy I'm ahead of the curve now. I spent a lot on eBay back-filling my Dead collection. What I would be interested in, is the legalities involved in re-issuing a product that they originally sold as a limited quantity item. Even if legal, I doubt they would do it, out of fear of ruining their current, buy it now, while it's hot sales model, which is undoubtedly working. One thing I feel confident in, is that if Rhino felt that re-releasing FW 69 Complete would be profitable in the long run, they would do it (and perhaps they will). But I imagine it's a tricky balance, as Morning Sun said - never underestimate the turmoil of breaking a promise to the original people who bought it (of whom I am not one - fucker cost me 400 bucks). Plus I'm sure they all have a dozen copies of all of them that they're saving for 10 years from now when they're going for a grand on eBay ;-)
February 10, 2016 - 9:55am

#183

Cousins Of The…

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FW 69 re-release

Not sure what the exact wording was when they first released it, but some of the music included in the set has been available on the 3 disc compilation.Rhino could produce a set with all 4 FW 69 shows, add 2-11-69 Fillmore East release, change the name and add a disclaimer that would say something like "portions of this set was previously released as Ltd Edition FW box set, etc." Lots of "limited Edition only", and "promo only" music has been re-released that way.
February 10, 2016 - 8:31am

#184

mbarilla

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FW69 Box set

if they want to re-release they would definetely need a new mix. I dont think packaging much to do with it
February 10, 2016 - 7:43am

#185

Roland Bruynesteyn

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re-release FW'69

FWIW, let me echo SpaceBro's (and others) sentiment: I own FW'69, and enjoy it immensely.By all means, re-release it, so that more people can enjoy it. I do not mind scalping, or a secondary market. In general, I don't mind limited editions, bonus discs with first runs etc; companies can run their business as they see fit. But I'm a capitalist through and through: if more people want it, and Rhino can make more money, by all means let's do it. I know that the secondary market, at least in this particular case, exists bcause Rhino said that FW'69 would never be released (in any form?) again. Some people would feel cheated if, after paying a lot (NOT to Rhino though), it was re-released. But surely most Deadheads would want other Deadheads to be able to acquire this set, and there should be some way around it (cheaper packaging or whatever) to get past this?
February 10, 2016 - 6:37am

#186

Born Cross Eye…

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FW 69 box re-issue?

Yes, reissue it as a limited edition of 16,000.$130 each + shipping and sales taxes where applicable. For that $130 you'll get the four shows - 2/27, 2/28, 3/1 & 3/2/1969 in 4 tye-dyed design artwork, thin cardboard type sleeves with a simple booklet with only the song titles, the track times, the songwriters credits and publishers credits with two or three photos, WITHOUT AN ESSAY, all enclosed in a lightweight cardboard case with artwork similar to the original 2005 issue.
February 10, 2016 - 6:14am

#187

Sun King

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shrine vinyl et al...

glad to hear the 69 shrine vinyl release sounds so good. i plan on picking one up soon. as for the 69 box, and other limited releases, i think rhino needs to view their 'investment' in the grateful dead as being holders of something culturally significant. limited edition stuff should be just the initial physical product, but everything should be available via download. as i've said before, they should act like smithsonian/folkways, where nothing they have ever released goes out of print. you can't go to their site and order an original woody guthrie or leadbelly record, those have been out of print forever, but you can download it or order a custom burned cd. there is nothing you can not order. i believe rhino is just waiting for the last 150 usb's to sell, then they will offer all 30 shows via download. as for the 69box, i don't remember their wording, but a physical product probably can't, or shouldn't, be re-released that way, but all 4 shows should be put out via download, if the suits think they can legally do it. if not, lesson learned....
February 9, 2016 - 7:28pm

#188

Charlie3

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Ramble On

Dennis Wilmot, feel free to ramble on, you made some good points in a funny way. it sounds like I may have been one of the same two people seated next to you at shows;)For my two cents, I have the 30 trips box and it wouldn't bother me a bit if they made another production run in the future, with or without all the extras. I didn't buy it as an investment, I purchased it because I wanted to have the music and after missing out on FW69 I knew I would regret not having it more than I would regret spending the money. At some point I would like to pick up FW69, but there is a limit to what I can pay and feel OK about the purchase. I understand that the limited edition model is probably what makes the ongoing releases possible to this extent, so it is what it is, but it seems that they could set it up so that it would be possible to reissue things after some period of time. As far as copying limited edition releases, I guess the band makes their money when the original sale occurs and are unaffected by any subsequent transactions, so there's that.
February 9, 2016 - 6:53pm

#189

Dennis

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Re-releases, Limited Editions, illegal copies, ebay prices

I throw my 2 cents into this, I agree with those that say a release of limited edition stuff as maybe a digital download is just fine with me. As always if price is the limiting factor I can not believe you can't find someone to make you a copy. Some say "oh that's illegal", sounds like corporate lawyer talk to me. I agree you shouldn't be knocking out 1,000 copies of something and selling them at the local flea market, but to slip a buddy a copy, fuck no. I remember when people didn't even think twice about making a cassette copy for a friend. Of course the "industry" hated that, they even tried to get a "tax" on blank tapes to cover the "losses" they were suffering. What hogwash! The record companies seem to be doing fine! Ebay prices will disappear or come down if people stop buying them, just like tickets for sporting events (which sports fan seem to believe are way out of whack). Remember when FM first took off and stations would play a perfect album side, even told you when to start your tape. I'm sorry if the record industry makes a product that is easy to copy. Why didn't they just keep producing records? You couldn't copy them as easily as cd. Because they wanted to squeeze out the free music of radio, cd's people would buy more of because you could take them in your car. Did the industry ever return money for those shit 8 tracks that they sold? Or even the shit cassettes they sold? Those store bought tapes NEVER lasted long, but a good maxell made at home lasted forever? I still have cassettes I made from 1980 that play just fine. But the few store bought ones I got the cases always warped in the heat.I think I can most assuredly say that if you could shove a new caddy into a port of the computer and have it shit out a new caddy, everyone would have a new caddy and be saying fuck GM. (probably a lot of people already saying that) You don't see anyone making "illegal" copies of books and you could zerox a whole book. I'm surprise the corporate lawyers haven't tried to shut down public libraries, since they allow people to listen, read and view all copyright material without paying any fee to the owner of the copy right material. There was a point when Mickey Mouse was about to enter the public domain and Disney just couldn't let that happen, so they had congressman Sony Bono push thru a revision of the copyright laws that allowed them to keep the copyright. (see - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act ) Technically if you owned a bar, you couldn't play cd's you own there without a fee being paid to industry. CD's YOU OWN! Can you imagine if you bought a repair guide for a car you owned and you got a second car of the same make and being told you couldn't use that manual to fix the second car, that the use of the manual was only for the first car. You have that same thing with software you buy, you buy the package but can't use it where ever you want, only once (maybe 3 times for some) Sorry I've rambled a bit, but corporations piss me off. They want risk socialize and profits privatized. They want to be citizens with no one responsible for jail time. Fuck them! Record profits and the world still fights for crumbs. On the illegal front, I get a chuckle out of this. I thought it was illegal to bring "drugs" into shows or buy and sell them. Oh, I forgot nobody who went to dead shows did drugs. Like nobody in England watches Doctor Who. The show has been on for 50 years and nobody admits they watch it! Just like back in the .net days, nobody on net.dead did drugs! I must have always got seated next to the same other 2 people who did :-) Once again sorry for the excessive rambling.
February 9, 2016 - 5:20pm

#190

dharwin

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Just to be clear...

I am fully supportive of a re-release of the FW69 box. The whole reason I have the info that I have is that (being the anal retentive completist that I am) I emailed David Lemieux to ask why in the hell the box set hadn't been reissued. Any deadhead that has looked at eBay in the last 5 years can see that this box is in absurdly high demand. I hate the idea of limited releases and find it absurd that they would limit anything. The only thing that does is drive up the price on secondary markets (just look at the 30 trips box on eBay).

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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
PDF
Text

Latvala willing

Nice touch, rrot.

Psychedlic Reading List

Some suggestions for some interesting reading: The Psychedelic Renaissance, Dr. Ben Sassa; LSD My Problem Child, Albert Hofmann; many articles on EROWID.org.

Genesis...Dylan...etc

Wanted to jump into the Dylan conversation. I came to the Dead partially via Dylan and the late 87 performances so I have him to thank for this in a way. I think there's a little bit to like about all of his albums...even the Christian ones. Street Legal has always been a favorite of mine. Where Are You Tonight should be dusted off for live shows. It could easily go into doomsday mode like Highway 61 did live. The new bootleg volume sounds intriguing, but with boxzilla coming there's no way two of those will fit into the budget. Too bad. I think Blonde on Blonde is right there with BOTT as my favorite. Time Out of Mind belongs in there too. So much good stuff from him since 97. As far as Carpet Crawlers and the mention of the lamb...Peter Gabriel can still pull it off I think. The real question mark is Phil Collins deciding he can drum again for a whole show. I'd travel to see that show though. Too bad nobody seems to be pushing for it anymore. I think a new Gabriel album will come before any kind of classic Genesis reunion. And by the time the cycle for a new album is over...will anyone feel like doing the lamb? I get a Phil Lesh vibe from most of Genesis, no large scale touring. Got the shipping address email...hoping this thing shows up by the middle of October. Haven't streamed a whole lot yet, but I may start again soon. The 73 show is spectacular.

addl reading

In addition to the ones mentioned, I got a kick out of these two: - Brotherhood of Eternal Love: From Flower Power to Hippie Mafia: The Story of the LSD Counterculture - Orange Sunshine: The Brotherhood of Eternal Love and Its Quest to Spread Peace, Love, and Acid to the World Acid dreams was good, but a heady read, the first two are light and informative. I will have to check out the fungal accompaniment.

thanks Charlie3

I got a computer virus 3-4 years ago and lost the bookmark to erowid.org. Never thought about asking anyone here if they knew of it. Thanks Thanks!!! Will be looking but my memory seams to remember they had a pdf. ebook called the Brotherhood of the Universal Church (Brotherhood of Universal Love)or something like that written by a head.

Blonde on Blonde

I was waiting for someone to mention Blonde on Blonde, my favorite Dylan album. I picked up the 3 LP vinyl set from Mofi, mastered at 45rpm, and I really love it. It's always a sign of a special day, usually weekends, when the Mofi Blonde on Blonde comes out. I am also a big fan of Street Legal, but I am confused why it is being mentioned a a gospel album. It is my understanding Slow Train was the first gospel album. Maybe someone more astute could clarify if I am wrong. I am also a huge fan of Time Out of Mind, especially this time of year. It is a wonderful early Fall album. I was really hoping for a Mofi vinyl/SACD remaster of TOOM, but I am not sure that will happen as I am hearing different things about how far Mofi is going into Dylan's catalog. I'd also like to throw Desire and New Morning into the discussion, as I really love the sound of both of those albums.

Addl reading

Those three are on my list of books to check out. I recently finished reading Electric Kool Aid Acid test, which was as good as I remembered, and I then read Hells Angels by Hunter Thompson which was cool because it kind of overlapped with some of the incidents and people in Electric Kool Aid Acid Test. Also looking at getting Lysergic by Krystle Cole - the whole William Leonard Pickard story is pretty mind boggling. Terribly unjust that people are locked up for psychedelic exploration.

Erowid

You are welcome Gary. That site has a ton of great information. I like to look at the PDF library of blotter designs from the DEA. Its like a trip down memory lane.

group mind again

Jim: too funny, I think those are the books I have been trying to find again for several years. The ESP gestalt may need revisiting.

Forgot to mention...

I saw Dylan in '95 at Johnny Mercer Theater in Savannah, and he and his band were excellent. I wish I could say the same for later Dylan shows I've seen, although he had a pretty great band then, as well, including Larry Campbell.

Dylan

Have always thought Dylan was an incredible writer but have never been a huge fan as a performance artist. I guess I am missing out, so I will be buying some of these recommendations. You had better be right! J/K

group mind Charlie3

It is wierd because I have Electric Kool-Aid and Hell's Angels in my queue. Also, what is it called, My Life with Cody, maybe? Kool-Aid will be a revisit from a long time and space ago.

Got the....

Last chance to make address corrections to my 30 Trips order e-mail, in other words 30 Trips will be shipping SOON!!!! You have until October 2nd, 11:59 to make any changes. I'm going to assume that since October 2nd is a Friday TPTB may start shipping Monday, October 5th. I haven't listened to one note or read 1 sentence from the free stream So I SAY BRING IT ON!!!! Countdown to resume tomorrow!!!!! At least we have movement which shows progress. HAPPY WEDNESDAY DEADLAND!!!!

Genesis

If there were ever a reunion, which there won't be with Phil Collins (he says he physically cannot drum anymore and is officially retired), I wouldn't pick the Lamb in its entirety for the set list. I would go with a best of Gabriel era Genesis - Trespass, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England, and the Lamb. There's really no reason they shouldn't do it without Phil. I wouldn't miss him - throw in Bruford and or Chester Thompson. It still probably wouldn't happen though - if I read between the lines correctly on their most recent documentary with all 5 of them, Hackett HATES Gabriel. And why do it all with Hackett.

Favorite Dylan Albums

In no particular order: Pat Garret & Billy the Kid Street Legal - maybe my favorite Planet Waves John Wesley Harding Time out of Mind Highway 61 Bringing It all Back Home I could name 10 others at least. They're all good and unique. I'm less into the new stuff but I like Love and Theft too.Its amazing the vibe Dylan is able to create throughout an album (any album really), that's so different from his other stuff.

thanks rrot

did not know about Progeny. Man this site is also a great educational tool!

Re: Genesis

Phil's back issues have prevented him from doing anything further. He says he's interested in sitting back and only taking the drummer role. The real culprit in delaying a Genesis reunion is Peter Gabriel. He works notoriously slow and sort of half-assed says he's interested but on his own timeframe and the others can't work like that. Steve Hackett says he'd do it only if Gabriel is involved. There's not neccesarily bad blood between Tony Banks and Gabriel (and Hackett!) but their personalities clash and they have a very difficult time working together. Any true Genesis fan will tell you Tony Banks is the heart and soul of the band and the one most interested in keeping it alive. It's a complicated mess. I've a feeling it will never get sorted out. We have a brilliant back catalog to keep us company at least.

matchewy!

Desire and New Morning are my two personal faves!! They see the most play of all my Dylan albums. As such, Another Self-Portrait (Bootleg Series Volume 10) is a bonafide treasure chest. But I'll echo the praise for Blood On the Tracks & Time Out of Mind. Live At the Gaslight 1962 is another choice vault release. And Basement Tapes, OF COURSE. The only issue I've had post-TOoM is the high percentage of "genre" songs -- traditional folk/country/rockabilly/bluesy structures with Dylan lyrics draped on them -- as opposed to original melodies, a la "You're a Big Girl Now," "Lovesick," etc. But I confess I still haven't heard his last album...and I'll certainly cut him some slack after five decades of iconic songwriting. It's still good music, and amazing he's still as engaged & prolific as he is at age who-knows-what. Of the times I've seen him between 86-07, the Time Out of Mind tour was head & tails above any other--Bob was the lead guitarist all night! (By contrast, he never left the piano stool last time I saw him.) The Dead tour in '87 was pretty heart-cheering stuff, too, however history may assess it.

Bob

In my opinion Bob Dylan is the most important artist from 1960 to today. I would say of all time but I feel that Robert Johnson held the title pre 1960. Now this is a bold statement so I will not leave you without reason. If you google Bob Dylan Newport Folk Festival 1964 you can watch a nice clean cut boy play a very nice clean cut performance of tambourine man. You will notice a man in his mid-50's tapping his foot in the background. This proves that not only did young folks enjoy Bob but so did their parents. Now fast forward one year later and watch Bob's performance at the 1965 NFF. You will see Bob in a leather jacket raging through a stellar performance of Maggie's Farm. Electric guitar in hand singing how he ain't gonna work on that damn farm no more. On this day Bob Dylan changed the face of music forever. He paved the way for everyone to follow and the revolution began. His words are the fabric of our culture. It's no surprise why Jerry loved Bob's music so much. In fact I think anybody who is anybody in music realizes how important Bob is because all the greats play his music.

Re: MilesM - Broad Shoulders

No doubt Bob had broad shoulders and moved everything forward; a powerful figure at a pivotal time. McNally's book On Highway 61: Music, Race and the Evolution of Cultural Freedom shows a great historical perspective better than I can through a post. Its not a quick read, but its a good book and does cover the topics you mention in great detail.

The Stream......

I've really been digging the stream. Playing it at work every day. I hope it stays up after Boxzilla is delivered. What was that line in Ghostbusters about "The Stream"?

update?

Hey Hey I just got an e-mail asking me if my address is OK and that OCT 2nd is the last day to contact them for any correction...so could the mammoth monster of a box set be shipping soon???????????????

"I forgot to mention something very important..."

"Don't cross the streams."

Dylan...the man!

my favorite Dylan albums are Blonde on Blonde, Blood on the Tracks, and Desire. He is the greatest American songwriter, in the world?...IMO anyways!

@ Gary Farseer

Visions of Cody

Country (?) artists

I have always been a big fan, but let's keep in mind that Dickey Betts hated the term. I do include the "Southern" bands in my list: Poco, Marshall Tucker, Charlie Daniels, Commander Cody, Souther Hillman & Furay, ABB, Grinderswitch, Elvin Bishop, The Byrds, Cowboy, The Jayhawks, Flying Burrito Bros., Leftover Salmon, Kingfish, Mudcrutch, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Ozark Mt. Daredevils, Outlaws, Henry Paul, NRPS. And Wilco's first album, A.M. Rock on

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Re: GenesisAs someone who saw the 'Lamb' tour at the Phila., Pa. Civic Center in 1975, I urge, prod, goad anyone interested in this album to see the Genesis tribute band 'the Musical Box'. The performance I saw in Atlantic City, N.J. in 2005 is as close as any of us will get to the real thing. They have the bands' blessing and were given the slide show that plays behind the band as they perform the music. If I get the chance, I would go and see them perform the 'Selling England…' show (I was fortunate enough to see this tour twice) to see how accurate their performance is. I would jump through hoops to see the 'Foxtrot' show since I never saw this tour. Re: Bob Dylan According to Wikipedia, 6 Bob Dylan singles are released in 1965 (Muleskinner you might have more accurate dates?): 1. The Times They Are A-Changin' (3/8/65) (You have received your warning!) 2. Subterranean Homesick Blues (3/8/65)? 3. Maggie's Farm (6/?/65) 4. Like A Rolling Stone (7/20/65) 5. Positively 4th St. (7/29/65) (only available on Greatest Hits - the 1st to do this?) 6. Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window? (12/21/65) Common thread? Not one of these singles extoll the virtues of love nor lament the loss of it either. Unless I'm mistaken, Bob Dylan was the first musician/band to get on the radio consistently, while not singing about 'Love'. He wrote his own lyrics, he composed his own music (and yes, he stole liberally from folk and blues, who the hell doesn't?), he was young, he was defiant, and most of all he was confrontational while hiding in plain sight. In one year Bob Dylan single-handedly killed Tin Pan Alley and the Brill Building (sorry Carole King) and popular music would never be the same.

@Saintstephen71

An 'E72 box went onto ebay this morning. It says good condition and there is a picture.425 USD. Check it out. I have my ebay account set up to give me new Dead listings every morning. Rock on

Important Artist

MMiles: I'll go with Bob for 1960 forward, if we have to have just one. And we are talking music. If by Robert Johnson, you mean the man himself, I think you are wrong. If you mean 'Robert Johnson' as a stand-in for dozens of blues musicians who arose in the 1910-1930s from Texas to the Delta to the Carolinas, you have an argument. But for the pre-1960s it loses to: Louis Armstrong. JiminMD--you are right to recommend McNally's book On Highway 61 for historical perspective, and interesting opinion. Another book, that uses Robert Johnson as a way to look at the development of the blues, and its revivial in the '60s, is Escaping the Delta by Elijiah Wald. Finally, Ted Gioia's Delta Blues is informative, though is not the all-inclusive survey it is marketed as. McNally's and Gioia's books are easier reads, Wald's more deeply insightful.

streamin' drums

I really like the streaming format, had some fun clicking through each show and listening just to the drums sections. It's neat to hear the change in sound over the years. I agree on the band 'The Musical Box'. I believe they're touring again with the Selling England and Foxtrot albums. Just to hear 'Supper's Ready' is worth the price of admission. cheers, Mark

hbob1995

You have heard of Cowboy. I am too young, well in my 50's and climbing. But I only heard of Cowboy recently. Documentary - Song of the South - they discuss Cowboy some and the Hour Glass. The guys from Hour Glass mention opening for Grateful Dead at the Filmore (I think). They say the blew the doors off. I am sure they did well. There has been a discussion among heads for years about the Moutain Jam tease Jerry does in 1968 or so? I think I heard it maybe on the 1968 Valentine's Road Trip. The discussion was always that the Allman Brothers got that more solidified jam from Jerry's musings. However, if/when Hour Glass (with Duane and Greg) opened for Grateful Dead, it would make sense that Jerry heard Duane teasing/working out that riff. Discussion? As far as Cowboy, just went and heard them a couple of weeks back. Did not know there story until the following article. Small joint, place packed. I sat outside and listened for a while. http://www.al.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2015/09/scott_boyer_talks_cow… edit: I cannot remember, I am sure some here do, where the Mountain Jam riff was lifted from???

Dave Strang

I remember you championing the Music Box a few weeks back. If they get in my neck of the woods I will be there! Never thought about Bob being the chief killer of Tin Pan Alley but you are correct. I mean he (and of course the Beatles as a group) launched the singer/songwriter era. Is that correct? Wasn't Neal Diamond the last great Tin Pan Alley writer before he broke out on his own???

wharf rat

Sampling Boxzilla since the stream has been available and I am VERY impressed! About a show a day and mixing up the years and today was 1971. Wow! The whole show is so diverse yet so together. The boys are very tight. That Wharf Rat was too good to be true. Love this band.

thanks boo469

Visions of Cody...have you read, looks like it might be a tough read, small print. Makes my ADHD head hurt...

Morning Sun

Morning Sun you might have me there. Louis Armstrong was a giant indeed. Always been a fan.

The Mountain.

As far as I am aware the Mountain jam has its basis in Donovan Leitch's song "The Mountain". Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Simon

I believe that is correct. Thanks Should have known you would know!!!

@Matchewy

I didn't mean to lump Street Legal in with the gospel albums. I was just addressing it alongside them as it was mentioned earlier in the Dylan discussion. I think it's certainly a nice intro to that period. I've always got a gospel feel from some of those songs, a subtle fire and brimstone style preacher delivery and all that.

Neil

I had no idea Neil Diamond wrote at Tin Pan Alley but you are correct. Just read about it. This conversation is getting really interesting.

99 USBs left

There should be about 99 USB versions on this 30 Trips Around the Sun left.

Fungus follow up for Gary

Stay with McKenna..... No one has done more to further the understanding of this interplanetary wisdom teacher called magic mushrooms.... Check out his other works.... Food of the gods and the mushroom growers guide..... Great resource...

Terence McKenna

And yes.... You are right.... He came up with timewave zero theory.... But the events that led up to that down in the amazon on a quest for the philosophers stone is just a flat out wild story.... Must read.....several references to the grateful dead and what they were doing at the time.... 1971-72......

There is a Mountain

Just saw Steve Earle and the Dukes perform this at Lockn,,, it was very nice. Also had the pleasure of hearing Furthur doing the riff in Alligator at Red Rocks. It's a great riff

@GaryFarseer

Actually, Chuck Berry and to a lesser degree Buddy Holly were two of the first to write their own songs, but you wouldn't say they were singer/songwriters. I think Chuck Berry was discounted because he was black even though he wrote some of the greatest rock & roll songs of all time, and we all know what happened to Buddy Holly. And yes, Neil Diamond was one of the last to go out on his own. Even Lou Reed worked for a songwriting house pre-Velvet Underground. While the Beatles wrote their own lyrics and music they still sang about the glory and pitfalls of love. Bob Dylan was the first to write and sing outside of the 'love' box (no jokes guys, that one's way too easy). Imagine being 16 or 18 years old and hearing "You gotta lotta nerve, to say you are my friend" coming out of your transistor radio in 1965. NOBODY had done ANYTHING like that before. Even if you hated it, you stopped to listen because it was unchartered territory. Dylan was the first to show the possibility of a 2 1/2 -3 minute pop song. After 1965 there was no turning back.

dave strang and Dylan comment

You ask to imagine being 16/18 in 65 and hearing dylan. I was only 9, and yeah, Bob had it. Remember the power of the times they are a changin. I remember singing How Many Roads in church. Bob broke thru in ways others didn't. You would hear him on AM stations after Frank Sinatra, before Mr Sandman. Where you never hear the Dead on those type stations. Back when AM was all there was and it played top 40. Are there any stations like that today,, everything is pigeon-holed. Don't know if this Dylan been thrown in yet, but,,,, but his last album Shadows in the Night was great. You need to listen all the way thru and not pick and choose, but what a mood piece.

Posatively 4th Street

That song got a hold of me too, from the first listen. I stopped what I was doing. A powerful song.., I rewound it and listened to it again. I completely agree with that comment. I bet there's not a person on this board that didn't personalize the meaning of that one. Good stuff all.

Gospel

I think Dylan's album Street Legal got lumped in with the gospel ones because it evokes that sense of impending change that soon after erupted into full-blown born-again kook. I don't think any of those songs mentions Jesus explicitly but they sound evangelical somehow. The "Changing of the Guard" was coming. He ended most shows in late 1978 with that song. And yes, do seek out the bootlegs where he sermonizes and only sings the new gospel songs (starting with the Fox Warfield SF shows on 11/1/79). He soon after began to weave in some of the old hits but at first he fancied himself a real fire-and-brimstone preacher. I'm glad he moved on before too long. That act would have grown old fast. Still, it's fascinating to re-visit it.

I'll give it to you

if you have DaP 2 I'll give you a physical copy of DP 1. for a copy of the pick. the case is in need of a new front and disc 1 looks a little rough disc 2 looks good. I can send you a copy of the 2 discs(I bought this set on eBay) so you can can have a clean copy along with the physical. please message me

individual shows and more for sale

guys im selling individual shows from the 30 trips set for those heads wo cant afford or dont want all shows. all shows available except 66 67 69 70 71 72 and 73. shows 55us dollars each inc shipping from oz... email me at gilmourstephen@hotmail.com with requests...first come first served...also taking offers for book the single and the scroll...

keep or cancel

That's foolish to break up the set like that...I don't think you should do it...but do you have the set? when cd-r came out I tried buying an album burning it then selling the original cd but somehow it just didn't feel right I like having the real thing even though in theory there's probably not a difference between the real thing and the burned copy but in the mind there is...I think the set is shipping soon...although not one person mentioned that fact it may be...I was contacted by the dead if my address was correct for this order but no one else mentioned for some reason there's a disucussion on Dylan tonight...far as calling Dylan a kook for the gospel tour then your talking about something you don't understand...outside of anybody I don't recall better written gospel songs written by a songwriter...take any song from slow train and they're either prophetic, genius or just plain great...I won't tell you why but it's not preachy...I think by "Saved" it's getting boring but still those same songs worked a lot better in his live show than on the album...solid rock is close to good as any gospel song I heard outside of amazing grace and songs of that elk....I believe in you and when he returns are chilling!

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