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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

    Viewing the digital book:
    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

    To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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    30 Trips mixing and mastering
    i was informed by PM from someone who got info directly from an email from the powers that be that the mixing and mastering was done at 24/192. So that would be one modification to my description below. I don't think that would have much impact on the time involved. The rest of the description would still hold. Everything analog would have been digitized to 24/192. Everything digital would have been uponverted to 24/192, mixing and mastering processes performed on the files. Then for the CD's, a set of files would be converted to 16/44.1 with noise shaped dithering and hdcd encoded, and another set of files would be downconverted to 24/96. I think the likeliest reason for the delay (i have no idea but it would be nice to actually find out) might be that it was contracted for overseas manufacture, what they got was incorrect somehow (poor quality, missing files, mislabeled files, who knows) and that the lenghth of time to have them redone and shipped stateside again was high. That's my guess. I wonder if we will ever really know. I very much hope you guys get your music before the Christmas holidays :):)
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    hard to tell which trip is best....
    but the one i really dig is....87 ! though it`s not the " epic " with " the usual suspects " - no DS , no Other one , no Scarlet - but the vibe , the feeling , the singing , the playing , you can almost see the audience dance and cheer....so that 87 is truly epic !
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    USB WAV vs. FLAC
    I believe wjonjd is correct, I left out the FLAC conversion. The exercise in math, however, did take my mind off this incredibly bad situation....
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    Feel like I won the lottery....Talk about an embarrassment of riches....just scored 2 bottles of 12 year old Pappy Van Winkle Special Reserve "Lot B" & 1 bottle of 10 year old, Old Rip Van Winkle. Pairs very well with 30 Trips.... This Thanksgiving I give thanks to being a very lucky man....in more ways than one. :) Happy Thanksgiving everybody. P.S.-I work for a small liquor store so I actually got it for what it is supposed to sell for,not the bullsheet prices most see it for.Now that I think about it,it resembles secondary market prices like DEAD stuff.Crazy P.S.S.-It's also officially ski season here.Whaaahoo!
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    Go To Rhino Records, On Westwood Boulevard
    An Internet Interlude for those of you with a sense of humor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKo8eW9HDSE WARNING: Offensive photo accompanies this 1 minute slice of weirdness
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    Bolt Bummer
    I get this isn't an Altamont type debacle, but for those who dropped the bucks for a product that apparently hasn't been made yet, this isn't feeling like a Woodstock-type love-in either. I was thinking of buying a bolt. I'm a non-CD guy who loves streaming GD music. Kinda the ideal customer for this, but I'm thinking no way now. Am glad refunds are being given to those tired of waiting. On the upside, this did free up some cash to purchase an unopened'73 Winterland Box Set from Amazon at original pricing. So I got that going for me. Let me know when you're ready to download 30 Trips or somehow get this figured out down the road. For now, the 4 CD set is sounding fine to me. Till we meet again 30 Trips. No bolt for me for now. Always loved Rhino, so I'm surprised. Used to shop for years at the (now closed) Westwood Boulevard Rhino shop. Always a little sad when driving by still. Oh well.
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    Whew!!....
    ....and with Cornell '81, I have completed my thirtieth trip around the sun. It's like having a buffet of sonic selections with which to sate your appetite. Mmmm....mmmm.... ....all sound spectacular except Manor Downs '82 and Zenith '90. Texas has too much high end, and France sounds a little muddy. Other than that. Impeccable....I maybe would have added a small light on the underside of the lid that came one when the box is opened. That would be cool.... And to those who ordered the bolt. I would hang tight, and wait. Easy for me to say, that that little piece of tech may be a hot commodity in the future.
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    driving people out....
    ... I used to say, "I put The Residents on when I wanted people to go home". OK, my wife would leave too :-)
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    RE: Here's the problem with the USB order
    I saw the posts by batzye and sfrank115 and wanted to respond as well as I could. I did some actual conversions on GD files ripped from CD and then did some math to determine approximately what the size of the files would be that were coming on the USB. I'll explain how I came up with my numbers, but first wanted to point out that although batzye's numbers are approximately accurate, he is assuming that the 24/96 files they will put on the USBs are WAV's. I think that is highly unlikely. I believe they will use FLAC's as they are musically identical and because that is the format that dead.net/rhino have always used to provide hi-res files in the past as downloads. His numbers are also slightly high because I believe that there is between 73 and 74 hours of music, not the 77 he used. I could be mistaken about that, but it wouldn't matter as I didn't use time to do the calculations, just the number of bytes. I took one disc of live GD music in 24/96 WAV format and called it "A-W24" which was 2.53GB. This converted as FLAC (using highest compression level) was 1.46GB "A-F24", and as 320kbs mp3 was 184MB "A-MP3". I used these ratios in combination with the actual size of 30Trips (including the 45rpm tracks) to determine what the sizes would be for 30Trips. I used the actual number of bytes rather than the rounded Gigabyte figures to get as accurate a number as possible. 30Trips-W24 = 141.9GB (24-bit WAV) 30Trips-F24 = 81.9GB (24-bit FLAC) 30Trips-MP3 = 10.1GB (320kbs MP3) So, if they used the FLACS and MP3s it would be approximately 92GB. Even if I'm off by quite a bit due to variations - like let's say I happened to pick a disc of music that happens to FLAC compress much more than most for some reason, it would still easily fit on a 128GB USB stick. As far as the mastering processes that sfrank115 refers, I don't have any inside knowledge, but I do know that almost all digital mastering is done in either 24-bit fixed, or 32-bit floating specs, and at either 96khz or 192khz. Since the files are being provided in 24/96, my guess is that these are the specs they used during the mastering process. All of the shows that came from analog tape would have been digitized to 24/96 for mixing (if multitrack) and mastering. Shows that were recorded to digital in anything below 24/96 would likely have been upconverted to 24/96 so that the hundreds or even thousands of digital manipulations that can take place during mastering don't add noticeable quantization noise, which happens much more readily at 16-bits than 24-bits. The initial upconversion is a simple and quick process, and wouldn't add any noticeable timeframe to USB stick delivery. I don't believe that the music for Boxzilla was mastered at 16-bits - that would be highly unusual because even though the quantization noise level of digital music at 16-bits is still basically inaudible, the quantization noise added each time you do one of the hundreds or thousands of digital manipulations typical during mastering of the files can create noise that IS audible. This is one of several reasons why 24-bits is critical for mastering, even though I and many believe that when you convert the final product down to 16-bits, the final 24-bit files and the 16-bit files will sound the same to human ears. In any case, I believe that all the mastering and mixing was already done in order to complete the production of Boxzilla. I do not believe any further mastering of any kind would be required as they would already have the exact 24/96 files that they will be providing on the USB sticks. Therefore, I do not believe that any mastering or mixing issues, or anything having to do with any further work on the files beyond what they already did for the physical box, would have any bearing on the reasons for the delay in the USB stick. In fact, I think that AFTER they finished creating the exact files that will be used for USB stick, they needed to do a little extra work to create the CD files for Boxzilla including converting the files to 16/44.1. Disclaimer - I could be wrong about anything and everything above. I don't think so, though. :) Edit: I just noticed that they do actually state above that the files that will be provided on the USB stick will be in FLAC format, not WAV, at 24/96, so the 128GB size of the USB sticks is not a problem. Edit2: Once the USB sticks arrive, could someone post the actual total size of the combined FLAC files and combined MP3 files please?
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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"Famous, Original Ray's..." and all the variations, heh. There was only one Ray's, though. And now it's gone. Hell, used to be you could still get a decent slice most anywhere. That's all changed, too. Now you can't get a decent slice almost anywhere. Well, at least we still have John's Pizza on Bleecker Street (though that would be a pie, not a slice). So, I go into a deli nowadays and ask for a regular coffee, and they say, "Milk and sugar?" What? I said a REGULAR coffee! Didn't you hear me? Sheesh! That was always known as milk, 2 sugars... I'm a stranger in my own city now.
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Saw this show on HBO called San Francisco 2.0 about how the culture of SF is being destroyed by the influx of tech money into the city.
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This show has some interesting things about the set lists: 1st: 'Around And Around' Final: 'Operator', 'Main Ten',' Wake up Little Susie' Only: 'Mystery Train', 'My Babe' Others: 'New Orleans' (Bob) > 'Searchin' (Pigpen) / 'Operator' follows 'Ripple' (I'm a sucker for both). The 'Dancin' Jam' out of 'The Main Ten' & 'Dark Star" has a great spacey feel to it (w/ "Dark Star' traces) before the band finally picks up the pace and goes into a 1970 style 'Dancin' In The Streets'. In short, I love this show! So much so that I downloaded it from Archive, if for no other reason than historical perspective. I find that my hearing adjusts after a few songs. While the sound quality is about the same a few others I downloaded for the same reason are: 4-15-69 (Pig in all his glory) / 3-21-70 / 5-7-70 / 6-24-70 2 shows. / 10-23-70 listen to the guy at the very end! /12-28-70 great audience recording on this one. A show that can only be streamed, but you might want to hear from a cultural standpoint: 6/7/70. The band starts the electric set with 'Cryptical'. As it's winding down you can hear a woman in the audience giving everyone *grief* because they're not doing enough to stop the Vietnam War. The band slows down enough to let her have her say and then slams into 'The Other One'. This show also has the 1st 'Sugar Magnolia' (it sounds like it!) with a 'Louie Louie' tease after it. Sorry for being so long-winded and hope you enjoy.
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Either 12 OR 28 days until BOXZILLA ships.

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Reading your posts is making me blue! NYC was the coolest place I'd been back in the day. Starting going in 87 as my landlord lived there. Stayed with her down in University and 14th a bunch of times. Saw some incredible sights just getting a slice and sitting watching the sidewalks. Always a fun time hanging in Manhatten. To think of those icons not there sucks. Didn't Dave like the White Horse Tavern?
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Don't tell me this town aint got no heart? I hear ya Dantian. But it isn't just NYC. The world is changing. There is still good to be had though. You just gotta poke around.
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We will have to just agree to disagree, my friend. Admittedly, both Saved and Street Legal have some individual strong tracks, I don't think either of them stand up as the same quality as most other Dylan albums as a whole. I see you left Down In The Groove off your post. I'll assume that you agree with my assessment of that one as a "turd." Again, even though they are my least-favorite Dylan albums, they are still better than most work by most other artists, IMHO.
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French living in France, I have only seen three times the Grateful Dead in my life (in May 1972, in September 1974 and October 1990). The shows that I wish I had in "30 Trips" : 31/12/1972: after Truckin', the longest jam I've ever heard(43 minutes!), and a Morning Dew very well built and very moving; 05/19/1094: a China> Rider and Goin 'Down The Road Feeling Bad very hots, and after Truckin' a jam very blues-jazz, which gives me chills every time I listen; 08.28.1981: the most interesting show I know of to 1981.
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FloridaBob - Thanks for reminding me that some things are still left...The White Horse is still there, for now. If you stayed on 14th and University, then you may remember Bowlmor Lanes on University Place (just 2 blocks down from your landlord's)? Gone, after 76 years, to make way for yet another "luxury condos" glass tower. I know you play guitar, so maybe you remember Music Row, all those music stores (Sam Ash, Manny's Music, etc.) on 48th Street? All gone now, except for one holdout that won't be there much longer. More luxury condos coming soon. There are a thousand more examples of the above. Don't mean to make you blue, but it is what's happening. Jim - I know, and NY was always changing, but the rate at which they are tearing down the old, beautiful architecture and replacing it with generic high-rises has reached a fever pace. Anyway, I'll shut up now.
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While you may have seen the band "only" 3 times, I think all would agree you were able to see them in 3 of the greatest years possible. If you saw the 5/3/72 Paris show, then I would say , and I think most would agree, you saw one of the greatest Dead shows of all time. 'Jack', 'Jed', and 'China/Rider' were all taken from this show for the original 'Europe '72'. How about it Deadland would you agree? Disagree? Your top 5?
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....I assume you mean top 5 shows attended. I narrowed it down to a top 6. No particular order, so I will list them chronologically....it was a long time ago.... 7.26.87 Anaheim Stadium. My first Shakedown and Dylan!!! 7.31.88 Laguna Seca. Midnight Hour encore, final Gentlemen Start Your Engines. David Hidalgo sat in on Rooster and West LA. Awesome scene.... 2.12.89 Great Western Forum. More Dylan and Spencer Davis! Second set pre-Drumz was as follows... Iko Iko Monkey & The Engineer Alabama Getaway Dire Wolf Cassidy Memphis Blues-> Drumz ....the night before was excellent as well, but I was really, really tripping hard that night, so a review may be too subjective.... 8.5.89 Cal Expo Playin'->I Know You Rider....nuff said 5.12.91 Shoreline First Train To Cry in almost 20 years. Mother's Day show. Roses everywhere.... 5.31.92 Sam Boyd Silver Bowl Steve Miller opened. Attics out of drumz. Miller sat in on Spoonful->TOO->Dew and the Baba O'Riley->TNK encore.... ....as you can see, I like my guest appearances..... ....honorable mentions. Every other show I saw, except 5.19.95 Sam Boyd. That one was a turd. We almost,(I said almost), walked out. Sensed the storm clouds coming that night....

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Yeah I loved 48th street. I would go to Mannys just for the hang and check the people. Never knew who could walk in there. I remember when Sam Ash bought their shop, that was a heavy blow.One time I watched a guy try and steal a camera from a shop. He grabbed it and ran outside, the shop keeper vaulted over the display and chased him! And I swear to the Lord this is true, the theif ran outside the shop into the street right into the side of a mounted cop! The fool ran straight into the horses side. The cop just reached down and grabbed the guys collar while the shop keeper was screaming in Korean at him. I couldn't believe what I was observing. I laughed over that for hours. Fate was a bitch for that idiot that day. Going down to Washington Square ANYTIME day or night for the wildest collection of folks humanity had to offer. And going up to the west side to hang at Cafe la Fortuna, because that was John and Yokos favorite coffee shop. That's gone now too I know. Hold tight to what's left!
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12.31.72 - Wow !!!!! 5.19.74 - Wow !!! 8.28.81 - Wow !!! All 3 shows with extra crispy Truckin' ,,, I have had a few I like lately,, I'm sure you have heard.. -Listened to this yesterday- 10.2.72 ,, Truckin' with a couple theme jams into Morning Dew. - one could have been a Uncle John's Band jam.. And they did finish show with UJB ,, a really nice one.. -Listened to 5.14.74 today on Sirius AKA Dave's Picks 9... This one is still in my Top 5 Dave's Picks released so far.. No Truckin' here, but the show before in Reno 5.12.74 !!! Truckin from 5.12.74 is fierce.. Does anyone know what the better sounding venues where the Wall of Sound was featured ?
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Hello everyone!No early listening for me. I'm waiting for the bi box for maximum effected. Cheers.
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The same thing has been done in Philadelphia over the last 20 years. While not as historically significant I lived in Ocean City, NJ from 1985 until 2012 where 700+ of the old style beach house/bungalows have been torn down to make way for 2-4 story cookie-cutter condos. I assume these are the vacation retreats for the folks buying condos in the glass towers in NYC and Philly. In 2012 I moved to a fish farm outside of Wildwood/Cape May and no longer have to witness the decimation of a once beautiful seaside resort. While Ocean City has always had a religious undercurrent running through it, it's now gone into overdrive with the good "Christian" consensus being Blacks, Jews, Hispanics, and Gays can live anywhere they want as long as it's not next to us.
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Top 5 can be any of your choice…shows attended / official releases / a cassette given to you in 1989…whatever floats your boat.
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We now call it Aspen Hole. After 20 years here I'm probably leaving in the spring. Such a shame....

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It's horrible how quickly development can rip your memories to shreds. In St Pete Beach up to Clearwater you can only find a small number of true beach homes left. Can't see the Gulf from the road anymoreBut rarely. I am amazed at the transformation .
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How many Christians have you interviewed to form this opinion? Your comments demonstrate you're no better than those you criticize. Take your slander somewhere else.
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When they say you can download something as a bonus and it's in 96 hz and 428 whatever or it's in really great quality...does that mean burn it to your hard drive so you can burn it to a disc or does it mean listen to it on your device whatever it may be for the better quality...even if you do burn it to a disc there might be space issues if it's so high quality...I remember mp3s when I 1st started using them they took a lot less space than CD recorded discs for the same amounts then I found out the quality wasn't nearly as good.
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Just watched San Francisco 2.0. An interesting but highly distorted one sided view. To anyone who knows history since the industrial revolution there is nothing surprising about what's happening in San Francisco now. How many on this post use Uber, it's there because contrary to what one person said Taxis are extremely economically regulated with severely limited very expensive medallions that went to the connected . How many say I'd never go to Walmart but still buy the most inexpensive package of t shirts atTarget or the other twins of Walmart. How many look for the union label which would cost more. Here's reality almost no one likes change that is part of human development, we decry the loss of the comfortable past. But trying to stop it is like trying to stop the tide
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Hey did anyone download Road trips Vol 4 no 3. I bought a few Roadtrips to hold me over waiting for the USB Bolt and the "Box of Rain" in it has a corrupted file. Loud static in several spots and then just skips to next song. I've downloaded the full concert and disc by disc, on different players and it happens on all. Once before i had an issue with a corrupted file on a Dicks pick or something years back and dead.net never fixed it, hoping this time will be different. Not upset, things happen but i'd like the file in a playable form. I called, we will see if anything happens...
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I had the same problem. I sent a note to customer service and after a few days Dr. Rhino sent me links for replacement files. Tell them exactly which files are corrupted.
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DaveStrang,I have unfortunately not attended the show of 5/3/72 but I attended that of 5/4 (with a great, great Dark Star). That was one of the three biggest shows of my life, taking into account all the artists I've seen on stage. And it was the month of my 18 years. The Grateful Dead European tour 1972 tour is probably my favorite. There were many excellent concerts on this tour, and that of May 3 was magical, actually. The Parisian show of September 21, 1974 was not a big show. That is why I am eager to receive 30 Trips and hear the show in Dijon, gave three days earlier. Finally, I was at the concert on October 28, 1990, the tomorrow of the show that is in 30 Trips. Both evenings were very good evenings. I was amazed that 30 Trips has two concerts in France. My top 5? It's difficult. I'm going to try. May 4, 1972, Paris, France August 27, 1972, Veneta, Or. December 31, 1972, San Francisco, Ca. May 19, 1974, Portland, Or. May 8, 1977, Ithaca, NY. Mbarilla, I also really like the concert of May 14, 1974. For cons, I do not know that of October 2, 1972. (Excuse my English).
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Have you ever lived in Ocean City? Or are you one of the good "Christians" who currently reside there? Or better yet are you one of the good "Christians" who come to Ocean City for 4 months and have the audacity to call yourself a "local"? As for me I lived there for 27 years, day in, day out, hurricanes, Nor'easters and all. During that 27 years I've talked with shopkeepers, people in line at WaWa on Memorial Day weekend when the line was 30 people deep, people at the library (and they have a beautiful, well stocked library) who decried all the "outsiders" moving in when they themselves are only there 4 months out of the year and have never experienced a Nor'easter themselves. My next door neighbor (a 4 month "local") who liberally used the 'N' word was on the verge of selling his condo when a black family just RENTED the bungalow across the street. My own landlord was a racist prick who considered selling for the same reason. He also had the nerve to call himself a "local" yet ran back to Cherry Hill as soon as any storm clouds moved in. Neither sold their property once they found out the black family was only staying for a year. You say "slander" when I'm talking from experience. As for you Morgul HOW DARE YOU liken me to those narrow-minded, racist, bigoted, homophobic good "Christian" sons-of-bitches? F*CK YOU and the horse you came off in!
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Thanks, Rhino had a tape about a catalog. Dead.net customer service said they'd look into it. Glad I'm not alone, and they know. Just surprised they don't fix it. In the mean time i just went to archive and inserted an audience copy for now.
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Your English is fine, there's no need for excuses. I admire you greatly for having seen any of the Europe '72 shows. 5/4/72 was a great concert also. 'Sugar Magnolia' was taken from this show for the original Europe '72 album, so I think that speaks for how highly it's regarded as well. The inclusion of 2 shows from France is an indication that your country brought out that special GD *magic* too. I can well understand your excitement over 30 Trips!
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You sir are way out of line. There are many obnoxious things I could write about you and your thoughts but I don't want to turn this into the Zappa site. I'll leave my simple truth in the title say what needs to be said
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I won't get into childish name calling as you have("@davestrang aka bigot"). If my reply to MinasMorgul upsets you or seems harsh, too bad. I DO NOT appreciate being likened to elitist snobs who care more about the color of someone's skin and the contents of their wallet and bank account instead of the content of their character and their personal achievements. The experiences I recounted in my reply to MinasMorgul are all true and my opinions of the residents come from 27 years of living among them. The truth is unpleasant sometimes but it's still the truth. That being said, I will not look for, nor reply to any further posts from you or MinasMorgul. I won't turn this into a p*ssing contest.
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Start behaving like Dead Heads again.. chill out. I don't want to see you bickering over anything more than which '77 show was the best.
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DallanW - Mine was a different volume. It is easy for files to become corrupted, not the sources but the generated copy for download. Customer service here is excellent, it's just a small number of people with a lot of demanding customers. I have bought many gigs of download files. Out of roughly 400 separate tracks, two were defective. That is about 99.5% perfect files. Not bad, pretty damn good, basically excellent quality control. I wish everything I dealt with met the standards here!
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Big fat Elk brisket goin' on 7hrs in the crock-pot.:-) ...and Blanton's ...and Bird Song-Dave's 11 :)
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That sounds effing amazing jrf68. I love crock pot meals. Set it, start drinking/listening to music.. then have a great meal hours later. My "go to" is usually pot roast.
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Now I'm hungry for pot roast...and where am I going to get pot roast this time of night?
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might be easier to roast some pot
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then I'd really be hungry. Though it might shift the focus of my desire more towards cookies, so you may have a point there.
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....try it with capers and wrapped in bacon....Great, now I'm hungry too....
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Am I the only Deadhead on this planet (and elsewhere) that thinks 1977 is an over-rated year, regarding the quality of live GD performances? Please don't get me wrong, I believe that 1977 is a great year filled with terrific performances. However, the manner in which many folks write about or discuss shows from this year makes it seem that this was the absolute peak in GD performance history. Of course, I know many heads believe that 1977 was the peak year of live GD, but personally I feel the year receives too much hype. The band's performances are extremely tight during 1977, almost to the point of sounding overly rehearsed. I've heard some folks attribute the high level of "tightness" to the unique studio sessions related to the recording of Terrapin Station. Gone were the completely improvised jams typical of the pre-hiatus version of the band. The band's jams had evolved from unconfined spaciness and chaos to controlled structure and discipline. Songs like Estimated Prophet and Terrapin Station were/are terrific, but their internal jams are certainly structured and controlled. This is simply an observation and not a complaint, as these tunes are among my favorites. However, these tunes are restricted from really going "out there," which ultimately limits the ability to stretch the songs to a point that makes versions vastly unique from each other. In contrast, versions of Dark Star, The Other One, Playing In The Band, Truckin' etc. from the early '70s (e.g. '72-'74) were usually marathon-like adventures into the far out unknown, the complete opposite of structure and control. Heck, even versions of The Other One from 1977 were relatively brief and ordered, and of course Dark Star was well in hibernation during this year (era). In summary, I feel the band was very tight and well-behaved in 1977, but totally loose, unrestrained and at their improvisational best in 1972-1974. These terms used to characterize the GD in 1972-1974 are terms that best define the band, which explain why the band's heyday was during this period. Order and structure are terms that most characterize the GD from 1977, which is why I don't consider 1977 the pinnacle year of the GD. I suppose I'm addressing this topic because I'm confused as to why 1977 often appears to be considered the 'Holy Grail' for GD performing years. Everything about pre-hiatus GD best characterize the band in my opinion. Of course, the words "in my opinion" are key here. I'm certainly not intending to initiate a battle here, but perhaps a few folks can try to explain to me why 1977 deserves all the hype. Nighty night, y'all.
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'77 is definitely not overrated. I am listening to May 11 as I type this. Honestly... I have heard the whole repertoire with the Dead.. excepting probably most of '82-'95. As far as classic Dead goes, I think spring '77 is unparalleled. I love some late sixties/early seventies Dead.. make no mistake. But spring '77 just tickles my brain more than anything else. I played 4/22/78 earlier tonight, before putting on 5/11/77. The unmistakeable difference is that I felt I had to monitor the sound and be sure it wasn't too loud and obnoxious for my roommate while playing '78. Then, with '77... it was just elegant... no way it could possibly be noise pollution.
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And Jerry.. man.. he was just doing it all on a night like 5/11/77. Insane guitar playing. They were ALL on fire in that time.
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Hampton Grease Band. Just sayin.
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I feel things like you. I think it's the return of the second drummer who made the big difference between the freedom of improvisation before the hiatus (freedom which allowed the music often explore unknown territories and galaxies) and jams more orderly and wiser from 1976.The debate is as old as the Grateful Dead are. Personally, I do not judge, I like the Grateful Dead in all its aspects. But my heart and my mind go first to the period before 1975. And when the GD had only one drummer, music seems to have breathed me more fully, more freely, more boldly. All this is of course personal taste.
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The Hardbound Book and the Scroll and the golden 45 all seem like pretty cool extras but I thought it was supposed to be all about The Music! Besides taking up an inordinate amount of shelf space, why would ANYONE pay the same money for 44.1khz / 16-bit recordings of these 30 Shows when you could have 96kHz / 24-bit recordings for the same price? Nutty! I'm bummed that I have to wait a little longer for my USB version but it's gonna be GREAT when it finally arrives! And for the Folks who only bought this Set strictly as a Collector's Item, the run of 1000 USB Lightning Bolts are gonna be a lot rarer than the 5000 CD versions will ever be.....
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I'm in. I just need to call in sick for work tomorrow in advance. I don't reach for bourbon often, but Blanton's is just about my favorite.
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My opinion is that no, 1977 is not overrated; 1972 and 1977 are my two favorite years. It is true that they no longer reached the kinds of deep space after the hiatus that they had previously, and I won't argue that it was or was not because of the return of Mickey, because I don't know. However, I will point out that they DID reach very psychedelic deep space from 67 thru early 71. They had both drummers during all those years. Think Dark Star in 1969 and 1970, and many, many, other examples. Yes, these deep spaces were different than than later in '71, 72, 73, and 74, but wouldn't that be expected anyway? Unlike the two deviled beast prior to 2/71, the two deviled beast from 1976 onward either didn't, or could no longer, reach those same deep psychedelic spaces. I'm using psychedelic not in the sense the media does, but in the sense I think deadheads will understand - the kind of jams that just take your mind OUT there. However, before 2/71 they also had lots and lots of jamming of a different kinds. Think how they could jam for half an hour on Lovelight, blues based jamming that could get plenty weird, but often wasn't weird, just prime examples of group musical conversation. Viola Lee Blues is another example. Although The Other One frequently went into deep space, it just as often went into more structured jams, where they tore into it as a group mind. Well, I would say that 1977 was one of their ultimate peaks. Nanno, you refer to the "professionalism" of their sound, but I would say that many (most?) heads that revere 77 do so because of the outrageous emotional power they brought in 77. They were frequently having whole group mind "musical conversations" of an intensity unparalleled. These group excursions were no less group excursions just because they didn't go into deep psychedelic spaces. The jams in Mississippi, Sugaree, Let It Grow, The Other One, Truckin', Not Fade Away, Dew, Dancin' In The Street, Franklin's Tower, Scarlet-Fire, Playin', not to mention the ballads, had an emotional power that were psychic nuclear bombs, and group improvisation at its finest. Many feel their ability to reach the most emotionally intense musical peaks on a consistent basis reached its apex in 1977. I think that the 72-74 has my favorite deep space moments. 77 has my favorite emotionally powerful group playing. I'm thrilled I have both (and all the other years, too!) So, no, I don't think 77 is overrated. It's revered for different reasons than 72-74, but those reasons are still quintessentially Dead.
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In the Europe 72 tour, Keith is a fairly new to the band,, but "Old Piano" player as joked during one of the AOM March 72' shows.. The Drugs consumed were different,, I'm guessing more LSD was dropped during 1972-74.. Compared to the thrill of new drugs encountered in 1976-77,, 72-74, The band was with 1 drummer, new songs emerge and for some part ,, was dropping some songs like Alligator,, maybe Keith didn't sound right on that one,, always wondered why that was dropped, even when Pigpen was still with them, the AOM or Europe 72 not played.. The tunes developed through time and some got stronger,, some weaker. Check out a "Tennessee Jed" from multiple eras,, 1971 maybe (Dave's Picks 3 = 10.22.71) , then a version from Europe 72,, then go to Wall of Sound maybe,, even use(Dave's Picks 9 - 5.14.74) Tennessee Jed.. and then compare to May 77 version and final stop is Spring 1978 at 5.17.78..
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I am having difficulty understanding your recent post. In one sentence you say (quite correctly) that you thought it was supposed to be all about the music, but in the next sentence you suggest that it is really all about the number of bits per dollar, that 24 bits resolution rather than 16 bits resolution is a better deal. Indeed at 24 bits you get 50% more bits for your money, but really it is all about the music not the number of bits. Have you possibly been persuaded by the arguments that the number of bits and the frequency (96kHz/24-bit vs. 44.1kHz/16-bit) results in a higher quality listening experience?
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The credit card I use the most for online purchases expired September 2015, so I used another one for buying of this box. It expires April 2020, 4/20. If you see the humor here, that's good. If not, sorry too bad that you don't get the joke.
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Thanks to those who entered the discussion regarding 1977 GD. There have been some good comments posted, which I generally agree with. The issue ultimately comes down to personal preference, and I certainly ain't going to mess with trying to influence the personal preference of anyone. I completely respect those that love 1977 GD, or any performing year for that matter. I agree, it is difficult to compare 1972-GD with 1977-GD, as these two eras are different on so many levels. The spacey improvisation (i.e. 1972-1974) I crave on a daily basis is simply not available in 1977 GD, therefore I haven't turned-on a show from 1977 (or 1976-1978) for quite some time. I know that a lot of Deadheads get off on 1977 GD, which is a wonderful thing. I love all eras of GD, but my personal addiction is the pre-hiatus sound, particularly the 1972-1974 era. I believe this era captures everything that the band is about. The degree of tightness in 1977 is very impressive, and I enjoy the sound of the era, but I usually require more adventure and space. Thank you especially for not making this a personal debate. The civil replies are very much appreciated. Please continue to comment, if so inclined. Perhaps I should turn on a show from May 1977... Thanks again.
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