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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

    Viewing the digital book:
    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

    To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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    Moses GuestLive Stages Get some...it's good. :) ...Over The Car->Under The Stairs...
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    Somebody on the other thread, I forget who, brought up a point about the secondary market, which was basically that Rhino depends on it to ensure they sell x number of copies of each release in a very short amount of time. This guy who wrote the article worked for a record company or something, I wish I could find the post. But it totally makes sense. Basically, Rhino needs to sellout each release in 3 or 4 weeks to not only be profitable, but to extend the life of the series. By making it limited edition, they sellout immediately and actually rely on the secondary market to be there and buy out what the individuals don't buy. It amounts to free distribution for Rhino. They sell off their 16,500 Dave's Picks in a week, and never pay a dime in distribution costs. For Rhino this means more dollars per unit and less units sold to make both make a profit and re-invest in the next release (and making the next profit). So I get it. Rhino is a very unique position, in that they have a rare product with seemingly no end, and this thing called the internet. And in fact, these very message boards are a major source of advertisement. I'm just happy I'm ahead of the curve now. I spent a lot on eBay back-filling my Dead collection. What I would be interested in, is the legalities involved in re-issuing a product that they originally sold as a limited quantity item. Even if legal, I doubt they would do it, out of fear of ruining their current, buy it now, while it's hot sales model, which is undoubtedly working. One thing I feel confident in, is that if Rhino felt that re-releasing FW 69 Complete would be profitable in the long run, they would do it (and perhaps they will). But I imagine it's a tricky balance, as Morning Sun said - never underestimate the turmoil of breaking a promise to the original people who bought it (of whom I am not one - fucker cost me 400 bucks). Plus I'm sure they all have a dozen copies of all of them that they're saving for 10 years from now when they're going for a grand on eBay ;-)
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    Not sure what the exact wording was when they first released it, but some of the music included in the set has been available on the 3 disc compilation.Rhino could produce a set with all 4 FW 69 shows, add 2-11-69 Fillmore East release, change the name and add a disclaimer that would say something like "portions of this set was previously released as Ltd Edition FW box set, etc." Lots of "limited Edition only", and "promo only" music has been re-released that way.
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    if they want to re-release they would definetely need a new mix. I dont think packaging much to do with it
  • Roland Bruynesteyn
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    FWIW, let me echo SpaceBro's (and others) sentiment: I own FW'69, and enjoy it immensely.By all means, re-release it, so that more people can enjoy it. I do not mind scalping, or a secondary market. In general, I don't mind limited editions, bonus discs with first runs etc; companies can run their business as they see fit. But I'm a capitalist through and through: if more people want it, and Rhino can make more money, by all means let's do it. I know that the secondary market, at least in this particular case, exists bcause Rhino said that FW'69 would never be released (in any form?) again. Some people would feel cheated if, after paying a lot (NOT to Rhino though), it was re-released. But surely most Deadheads would want other Deadheads to be able to acquire this set, and there should be some way around it (cheaper packaging or whatever) to get past this?
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    Yes, reissue it as a limited edition of 16,000.$130 each + shipping and sales taxes where applicable. For that $130 you'll get the four shows - 2/27, 2/28, 3/1 & 3/2/1969 in 4 tye-dyed design artwork, thin cardboard type sleeves with a simple booklet with only the song titles, the track times, the songwriters credits and publishers credits with two or three photos, WITHOUT AN ESSAY, all enclosed in a lightweight cardboard case with artwork similar to the original 2005 issue.
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    glad to hear the 69 shrine vinyl release sounds so good. i plan on picking one up soon. as for the 69 box, and other limited releases, i think rhino needs to view their 'investment' in the grateful dead as being holders of something culturally significant. limited edition stuff should be just the initial physical product, but everything should be available via download. as i've said before, they should act like smithsonian/folkways, where nothing they have ever released goes out of print. you can't go to their site and order an original woody guthrie or leadbelly record, those have been out of print forever, but you can download it or order a custom burned cd. there is nothing you can not order. i believe rhino is just waiting for the last 150 usb's to sell, then they will offer all 30 shows via download. as for the 69box, i don't remember their wording, but a physical product probably can't, or shouldn't, be re-released that way, but all 4 shows should be put out via download, if the suits think they can legally do it. if not, lesson learned....
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    Dennis Wilmot, feel free to ramble on, you made some good points in a funny way. it sounds like I may have been one of the same two people seated next to you at shows;)For my two cents, I have the 30 trips box and it wouldn't bother me a bit if they made another production run in the future, with or without all the extras. I didn't buy it as an investment, I purchased it because I wanted to have the music and after missing out on FW69 I knew I would regret not having it more than I would regret spending the money. At some point I would like to pick up FW69, but there is a limit to what I can pay and feel OK about the purchase. I understand that the limited edition model is probably what makes the ongoing releases possible to this extent, so it is what it is, but it seems that they could set it up so that it would be possible to reissue things after some period of time. As far as copying limited edition releases, I guess the band makes their money when the original sale occurs and are unaffected by any subsequent transactions, so there's that.
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    I throw my 2 cents into this, I agree with those that say a release of limited edition stuff as maybe a digital download is just fine with me. As always if price is the limiting factor I can not believe you can't find someone to make you a copy. Some say "oh that's illegal", sounds like corporate lawyer talk to me. I agree you shouldn't be knocking out 1,000 copies of something and selling them at the local flea market, but to slip a buddy a copy, fuck no. I remember when people didn't even think twice about making a cassette copy for a friend. Of course the "industry" hated that, they even tried to get a "tax" on blank tapes to cover the "losses" they were suffering. What hogwash! The record companies seem to be doing fine! Ebay prices will disappear or come down if people stop buying them, just like tickets for sporting events (which sports fan seem to believe are way out of whack). Remember when FM first took off and stations would play a perfect album side, even told you when to start your tape. I'm sorry if the record industry makes a product that is easy to copy. Why didn't they just keep producing records? You couldn't copy them as easily as cd. Because they wanted to squeeze out the free music of radio, cd's people would buy more of because you could take them in your car. Did the industry ever return money for those shit 8 tracks that they sold? Or even the shit cassettes they sold? Those store bought tapes NEVER lasted long, but a good maxell made at home lasted forever? I still have cassettes I made from 1980 that play just fine. But the few store bought ones I got the cases always warped in the heat.I think I can most assuredly say that if you could shove a new caddy into a port of the computer and have it shit out a new caddy, everyone would have a new caddy and be saying fuck GM. (probably a lot of people already saying that) You don't see anyone making "illegal" copies of books and you could zerox a whole book. I'm surprise the corporate lawyers haven't tried to shut down public libraries, since they allow people to listen, read and view all copyright material without paying any fee to the owner of the copy right material. There was a point when Mickey Mouse was about to enter the public domain and Disney just couldn't let that happen, so they had congressman Sony Bono push thru a revision of the copyright laws that allowed them to keep the copyright. (see - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act ) Technically if you owned a bar, you couldn't play cd's you own there without a fee being paid to industry. CD's YOU OWN! Can you imagine if you bought a repair guide for a car you owned and you got a second car of the same make and being told you couldn't use that manual to fix the second car, that the use of the manual was only for the first car. You have that same thing with software you buy, you buy the package but can't use it where ever you want, only once (maybe 3 times for some) Sorry I've rambled a bit, but corporations piss me off. They want risk socialize and profits privatized. They want to be citizens with no one responsible for jail time. Fuck them! Record profits and the world still fights for crumbs. On the illegal front, I get a chuckle out of this. I thought it was illegal to bring "drugs" into shows or buy and sell them. Oh, I forgot nobody who went to dead shows did drugs. Like nobody in England watches Doctor Who. The show has been on for 50 years and nobody admits they watch it! Just like back in the .net days, nobody on net.dead did drugs! I must have always got seated next to the same other 2 people who did :-) Once again sorry for the excessive rambling.
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    I am fully supportive of a re-release of the FW69 box. The whole reason I have the info that I have is that (being the anal retentive completist that I am) I emailed David Lemieux to ask why in the hell the box set hadn't been reissued. Any deadhead that has looked at eBay in the last 5 years can see that this box is in absurdly high demand. I hate the idea of limited releases and find it absurd that they would limit anything. The only thing that does is drive up the price on secondary markets (just look at the 30 trips box on eBay).
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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Apparently the crack equipment crew hard at work hasn't made everything just exactly perfect yet. Yesterday my order status went from "Backordered" (mid-October shipping) to "in process" to "Backordered" (October 31 shipping). Figuring out the ship date is becoming a little like trying to guess the setlist... Well, my mother always told me patience is a virtue, but... it's getting hard to disagree with lowspark75.
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it'll probably go mid-month I think 10/31 was just a default date but you have to assume it's going soon based on that e-mail last week to update your address...I have a funny feeling it'll ship on Friday...it's based on nothing though.
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That makes for a 45 Day interest free loan of $6.5 Million. Must be nice! I sort of feel like a patsy.
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What 5 shows are you most looking forward to? Mine: 1. 11/10/67 Shrine Auditorium - Los Angeles, CA 2. 3/18/71 Fox Theatre - St. Louis, MO 3.11/14/73 San Diego Sports Arena - San Diego, CA 4. 10/3/76 Cobo Hall - Detroit, MI 5. 6/24/85 River Bend Music Center - Cincinnati, OH The 2nd set for 6/24/85 looks very interesting with a full 'That's It For The Other One' ('Cryptical' included). So a question for my much well informed fellow Heads: When was the last previous time GD performed this (w/ 'Cryptical')? And did they ever perform it again (w/ 'Cryptical') after 6/24/85? Of course JG has to be included.
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As others have stated DaP5 11/17/73 is a great show with well "Norman-ized" audio. Honorable mention: DP19 10/19/73 Oklahoma City, OK RT4.3 11/21/73 Denver, CO (4 days after DaP5) The following shows are incomplete, but still great listening: DP14 11/30/73 & 12/2/73 both Boston, MA DP28 2/26/73 Lincoln, NE & 2/28/73 Salt Lake City, UT I asked in an earlier post if you'd be willing to re-purchase incomplete shows if now complete (returned reels etc.), these were some of the shows I was thinking of.
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Cryptical was played 6/16/85 at the Greek, first time since 12/15/71 at the Hill Aud. In Ann Arbor, MI. They only played it 3 more times after 6/24 - on 6/30/85 at Merriweather Post and 7/13/85 in Ventura CA (at both of these they only played the part that precedes The Other One), and 9/3/85 in Kansas City MO where they played both sections. I can't really answer which I'm most looking forward to because I've been going through the streams in chronological order and am into the 85 show already. I will need to listen again to let it all sink it but I remember being especially blown away by the 68,69 and 70 shows. There haven't been any duds. The first set of 76 is fairly standard, but the second set is unbelievable. Although there are lots of highlights on the 79 show (Phil's entry on The Other One, the Dancing->Franklin's), I've always preferred the following night of the two-nighter in Cape Cod. I was surprised at how good the 84 show was, major fun. The 71 thru 74 shows were not surprising, they were predictably top-drawer jaw dropping. The 75 show is, as you would expect, unique. It has a looser feel to it than the Great American, with prime Phil everywhere. Love the early Help-Slip, and it's interesting how they sandwiched out the Franklin's. The 77 show is very solid, but relative to other 77 we already have, it's not at the very top of the heap. I love the early 80's stuff and don't mind the patches. There are Scarlet-Fires on both the 82 and 83 shows and they're very different. For those that have never fallen in love with Brent's playing I'm hoping that some will after really listening to these. He was a really brilliant player, and they were fabulously lucky to have him.
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Thanks wjonjd - so 1985 was it as far as complete TIFTOO. Too bad as I really enjoyed the 'Crypticals'. Some great jams could come out of the 2nd one. You have me salivating anew with your descriptions of the other shows. As expected '68-'76 will probably be worth the price of admission alone. While I didn't expect a top shelf '77 (5/7-5/9), another '77 is always welcome. '79 was #6 on my list as I think Brent really gave "new life" to the band as much as I liked Keith.
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I predict it will be Springfield MA 1973
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Why, yes. I will have some. Thank you, Mister Lemieux.
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You need to check your math my friend. Even if they sold all 6500 boxes, and the 1000 USBs, which they have not yet done, that comes to $5,250,000 and not $6.5 million Rock on
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What 5 titles are you listening to while awaiting the BOX DROP? GD can be included. 1. Gary Clark Jr. - Blak And Blu. Great guitar work-outs mixed with mid-60's R&B/Soul 2. Richard Thompson - Still Deluxe. If you should purchase this do yourself a favor and get the deluxe 2 CD version with 5 additional songs. These aren't alternate/demo/live versions of songs already on the album, but 5 fully realized outtakes that should have/could have been on the main album. 3. Los Lobos - Good Morning Aztlan (or 'Kiko') I'm looking forward to the new album. It seems like you can never go wrong with these guys. 4. Genesis - Live at the Philadelphia Spectrum 9/18/07. A friend sent me a soundboard(?). Not being much of a post-Gabriel listener, I was pleasantly surprised at the mix of old and new material. 5. GD - DP33 10/9 & 10/76. 2 afternoon concerts opening for the Who. 'Nuff said.
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So I finally have figured it out. All of you are marketing Bots designed to bleed me of every last dime. I will stop listening to you from this date forward. BTW, I just picked up the 73 Winterland also, for $108.99. This must be the last one because now the cheapest new version is $273. I had been eyeing it for a while but after posts on here I figured I better grab it. But after this, "No more Soup for You"! Oh yeah, what were the other 73DP?
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And even it was $6.5 million sold, 1% interest for 45 days comes to about $7150 dollars.Are you really going to complain about that while Rhino works out all of the kinks? I mean c'mon. That's peanuts to a big corporation Rock on
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Hi Gary - See my post to Lowspark75 post #59. There's also DP1 12/19/73 Tampa, Fl.
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1. Heartless Bastards - ArrowErika Wennerstrom's Austin-based garage band extraordinaire. 2. The Word - Soul Food Sacred Steel by NMAS, Robert Randolph and John Medeski 3. Rhiannon Giddens - Tomorrow is My Turn From Carolina Chocolate Drops, covering lots of great tunes. Great voice. 4. Ryan Bingham - Mescalito Great songwriting and a voice beyond his years. 5. Africa Express - Terry Riley's "In C" Malian musicians with Brian Eno and a couple other western musicians doing their version of Terry Riley's legendary piece. If you like Bombino, Tinariwen and Ali Farka Toure, check this out.
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Great stuff UV1! Must have been great to be there. Thanks for sharing!
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Yeah we were charged long ago...and we can listen to it but i'm listening off of my computer not a stereo system with an amp machine...I kind of got off the dead for awhile so I won't anticiapate the box too much...now we have a dave's pick from a pretty good year 1973...for me the whole pocket of 1969-1973 was just flawless you would never disappoint me with a show from that period...then if it's too good I might get the dreaded fare thee well tour...to be honest I hate to get it but i'm intrigued by the Phish guitar player...I heard some of it on you tube and thought the dead people will do better with the mix then anybody on youtube can...of course it'll cost me 200$ something to really think about...I definitely won't order until it's been released.
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That sounds fantastic! I am a huge fan of everyone mentioned in the description, so I will definitely hunt that down. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Here – as I await another 80 CDs of music from the Lost Boyz and wonder how to rearrange my shelves to show off Boxzilla – is a left-field question out of thin air… Bear with me: would be interested to hear your views. I have a moderately large collection of music (almost 2000 CDs plus a whole bunch of vinyl and some virtual stuff). I've never been a taper or tape exchanger but I have pretty much all GD official releases. My first Dead show was in '70: I'm a Euro-Deadhead so I caught 'em in '70, '72 (a lot), '74, '80, '81 and '90. As a whole my music collection is pretty wide-ranging and contains all the good shit from Early Mediaeval through Bach and Mozart to Smithways folk, the jazz and blues greats and rock'n'roll, right up to good "newer" artists such as Wilco, Ryan Adams, Mercury Rev, War On Drugs, The National etc….with a lot of Motown, country, "Americana"… You know what I mean…it's not rubbish. No Abba. So here's my question: I'm in my sixties now. My wife and music? Meh. My teenage daughter? She has a good grounding - loves the Beatles, Stones, Bach and Beach Boys she was brought up on - but now listens to that horseshit and rap that teenagers listen to. So what am I going to do with this fabulous and lovingly compiled collection when I'm dust? I mean, hey, I may live another twenty or thirty years (although looking at the world sometimes I hope I won't) but the way I smoke and drink there's a fair chance I'll go Jerry's way. I don't ever want to think of this lifetime of music being dispersed to the four winds. What to do? Any ideas?
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Write up a will, or a living will, and will your music collection to a person or persons or an organization, such as a library or school or a broadcaster that will benefit (but not financially) with your collection.
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Nice Seinfeld reference. I have thus far been unable to control my grateful dead purchasing impulse, but good luck to you. And I'm sure you mean AFTER picking up DaP16, right? Also, as I gather you are a Seinfeld fan, have you checked out Curb Your Enthusiasm? Larry David is the man.
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I've done some thinking along these lines as well. I'm a lawyer, so, might be predictable that I would recommend that you put something in your estate plan about it. That also means taking some time (in your case and mine, a LOT of time) to catalog what you have to make it easier for the person who has to deal with it after you're gone. Include a "notes" field (in addition to a "category" field if you like). I have some signed CDs (and first editions of books), so I would put that note in there. A friend passed away a few years ago, and his widow sold his extensive CD collection to a (bay area) local music store, but that might not always be a viable option, and the price might come to be minimal as fewer folks want physical product. Maybe there will come to be marketplaces for this stuff in bulk, though shipping 2000 CDs would be expensive. Maybe put them on an external hard drive in .wav files? Just some ideas . . .
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Yep. Down to earth advice, as I would have expected from a born cross-eyed fellow deadhead. Thanks. But who, which etc? Maybe Wavy Gravy and Seva could take care of them all...but Wavy's probably got a sell-by date similar to my own...and death don't have no mercy. Holy shit who to trust?
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Yep grabbed the DaP16. Had to, can't wait to spin it. I now have at least 1 year of new things to listen to, even if I make 2 shows a weekend. What a darn predicament. As far as Curb Your Enthusiam, I have seen a few episodes. Just got in on the Amazon Prime sale 2 weeks ago, and plan to start streaming some of the shows. I mean, that, and the free 2 day shipping is a dream come true for money saving.
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Thanks, Mr Frampton. I do indeed have a coupla 2T external discs waiting for the day I have the time - or seven dwarfs - to rip 'em all! As for the music store option, fuhgeddaboutit: I recently did a triage and took a shitload of reject CDs to a store here in Paris (where I live) to sell them on. They took about five per cent of them for something like one euro each and sent me back home with the rest. They want Rhianna or One Dimension or Johnny fucking Hallyday or some goddam French rappers. No taste here. Name me one Frenchman who listens to Gillian Welch (as I am doing as we speak). Now, if I can only rip 'em all before that catch-colt draws the coffin cart, someone - or some worthy cause - is going to get a really nice gift in a small package!
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Paul, I am a "Euro-deadhead" as you, and I ask myself exactly the same issues as you.I own almost all official productions of the Grateful Dead, and many other music (jazz, rock, African music, French music, classical music ...). Often I wonder what all this will become when I am no longer on this Earth. What will become of Europe '72 box, with the book of the box in the last pages which my name is in the "special thanks to"? Today I do not know anyone around me who would be interested in this collection patiently and lovingly grown over the years.
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Thanks for the recommendations. I have the 1st 'The Word' and have really enjoyed it. Ryan Bingham and Rhiannon Giddens w/wo CCD have been on my purchase list but I haven't bought either so far. I'll look into 'Heartless Bastards' and 'Africa Express' will be on my purchase list now as well since anything with Eno is, at the very least interesting. I've always found the best way to hear of new or unknown music is to ask others vs. radio or other media.
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I feel a lot better about the $700 loan they take out from me. I'm just getting bitter as I sit and wait.
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I am no expert, but I too believe the 10/2 physical address double check bodes well for shipping this week. I believe as others discussed several weeks back, that a huge bulk shipment is what they are after; to help keep shipping charges down. I believe after 10/2 they started printing shipping labels in bulk and are affixing them right now. I think pallets of boxes should start going out the door soon. I know one thing, I do not know much...
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I'm in the same boat. I'm in my 50's with 4000+ CDs and more box sets than most people have single CDs. I'm keeping an eye out for any nieces or nephews or any family member who shows the same music obsession as I do. If not I'll request it be sold and the proceeds be donated to Habitat For Humanity or any other worthy cause.
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You raise a very good question Paul; we have very a similar scenario and I too wonder where my vinyl/cassette (almost exclusively live recordings)/CD/digital collection will all go. Seems a shame to think it'll wind up in a dumpster. A library interested in expanding its volumes is what I always come back to, yet before too much longer it's conceivable none of my collection will be easily played. And then there's the subjectivity of my collecting...i.e. my tastes are not everybody's so why should it be kept together after I'm gone? Probably the best thing to do is digitize what you think you will listen to over the next many years and start selling the physical collection. Might as well recoup some of your financial investment. Presumably your time (listening) investment has long since been amortized by your ongoing enjoyment.
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I couldn't agree more about the best way to learn about new music and broaden one's listening horizons. Hope others chime in here with what they are currently listening to. Oh and I liked your HFH suggestion for what to do with a large collection...
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I'm fortunate to be very close with all my family members and know if no one wants the collection they'll do as I ask. They contributed roughly 5% to my collection as Xmas and birthday gifts. Ideally I would like it to stay in the family but all good things come to an end.
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If all things must fall, why build the pyramids at all?
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This afternoon it was the 7 Walkers disc from 2010 in my car. As I was reading this thread it was Johnny Halladay's Noir C'est Noir and other fun music from Johnny via youtube.com. This morning driving to work it was classical music via Philadelphia's Temple University WRTI as I usually do. Yesterday afternoon it was GD 5/3/72 Olympia Theater Paris - a part of the E '72 box. At work I am subjected to the hard rock sounds of Disturbed, via my work parter's hard rock/metal/punk tastes.
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thanks for the advice...the 50th anniversary has definitely tore me a new one. So now with the Winterland box and the 50th box, that is 4 complete shows in a row! I have to learn how to be a little more selective, but I am keeping purchases below my goal of an average of $15/disk.
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It's a tough dilemma. I'm an estate-planning/probate attorney, so I guess I come at this from a slightly different angle. Fortunately, my 12-year-old son is gradually becoming a pretty cool kid. He likes the Dead (a lot) and he absolutely adores the Who (we're going to see them together on their last tour soonish, if Roger Daultrey survives. So I think he'll get my stuff. Born Cross-Eyed had a great idea, except that my experiences with public libraries are that, too often, the stuff isn't taken very good care of, and ends up being gradually destroyed. I might recommend picking a favorite charity, one that is near and dear to your heart, and either auctioning the stuff online (Ebay or such) with the proceeds going to that charity, or just giving it to the charity and allowing them to do the auctioning. Either way, if you don't have anyone close that you think will cherish it the way you do, at least whoever is paying $$$ for it online is probably just like one of us. They want it, they're willing to spend good $$$ for it, and they'll most likely cherish it and take just as good care of it as you did. I look at it as "paying it forward", but all the while obtaining some $$$ for your loved ones or for your favorite charitable organization. Just don't let a person who won't love it like you do just sit on it and let it collect dust.
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I wonder/worry about my "collection", in the end you're dead sooooo. I have a buddy who collects and restores Cadillacs, we always joke 5 minutes after we're dead our family will be loading our stuff in the dumpster. My kid likes a lot of music, so it might be in good hands. I do point out to him certain thing not to sell cheap (like Europe 72). I have a goodly amount of vinyl (about 12' of LP's) about 300 45's (mostly top 40 from Early 70's), about 600 old 78 RPM records from mom. My LP's go back to my childhood lp's, faux Chimpmunks doing Beatles songs and other kid type things. I have several "picture" disc that may be worth something. I have an original Leonard Nimoy album, "the two side of Leonard Nimoy" (on the "Dot" label). I have about 14 "banker" boxes filled with cd's. But the most work has gone into my hard drive collection, I've spent years on that bad boy. I got about 500,000 songs/6000 artist on it. All in order & labeled. I keep this very backedup and have several offsite backups. I work on this almost everyday, correcting track syntax or adding new stuff. I worry my son who likes the collection will not keep it up to date and backedup and when the hard drive goes bad (which it will), bang it will be gone. That thought irks me a little since I have so much time invested into it. But like I said, I'll be dead, sooooo
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Dave's Picks 16 sounds great to me..I'd be game for just about anything as I broaden my horizons, but I would say that setlist seems tough to beat. Speaking of '73, I'm in the same boat as boblopes, no bonus disc in '73 but in '77, which I have in May '77...haha, I guess that's an OK problem to have but I would have liked some new music and as I'm seeing, '73 has alot to digest. I have not done any streaming or even considered it for 30 Trips; when just about everything is new to me, no reason to jump the gun there. Currently listening to 5/4/72..I've slowed way past where I wanted to be on the Euro '72 box, but still enjoying it while taking those sidetrips, so it's not worth rushing. This Dark Star seems to have some weird rhythmic vibe that has gotten in my head, probably my favorite since the 4/8 one so far. As far as listening to currently, in a global sense, I took everyone's great advice here and been checking out some of the other 'country rock' acts while reading through that book, Are You Ready for the Country. Spent the most time with Sweetheart of the Rodeo (great reissue edition by the way, well done) and the Flying Burrito Brothers first album. Also listening to Houndmouth today, we are seeing them tomorrow night in a little bar / club. I'm not super familiar with them yet, but I have liked the vibe I've heard (Sedona is the 'popular' tune). I'll second the praise for the Rhiannon Giddens album (and the CCD in general). I love her voice, not to mention the diversity of the selection on the album...from Sister Rosetta to Geeshie Wiley to Odetta to Dolly, while giving her own vibe, that's pretty impressive. Been checking in on the Dylan tour and heard a snippet of the new Sinatra / Ray Charles cover on Youtube (really liked it), but haven't looked into any boots yet.
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Teach your daughter how to sell on-line for when your dead...hell she can get 1,500 for the 30 year box set...hundreds for most of your box sets...regular cds once you open them are worth pennies for the most part...independent CDs are worth more because of supply and demand laws...but keep buying grateful dead box sets as your contributing to your daughter's future...i'd get off rap ASAP that could destroy her life in more ways than one...buy her beach boys box set if she'll burn her rap records in the yard.
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If any of my Deadhead friends with a touch of gray need my contact information to bequeath their lovingly curated collection to me upon their passing, feel free to PM me. LOL! Ashes, ashes; all fall down.
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> i'd get off rap ASAP that could destroy her life in more ways > than one... I love me some hiphop. I'll take it over most of the bands that gets lumped into the jamband genre. Different strokes, I guess.
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Talking to a GD person--subject got around to the "big box". GD person checked his/her emails and said it looks like next week is shipping target. We'll see. Hopefully so.
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Paul, I thought Gillian Welch was a french rapper???? Damn, I better toss my tix to see her and Dave's Machine next month!
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Dave,those crypticals got a....little wobbly the summer of 85. Not sure we needed anymore of that, unless they were gonna rehearse that beotch!
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OK guys - a few of you know but I have a pretty serious eye op to pay for coming soon - so I'm trying to shift the remaining shows asap. EACH of the following now ONLY $45US per show inc shipping from oz (sent day i get box): Email me at gilmourstephen@hotmail.com ShowS available still are 68 76 77 78 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 88 90 92 93 94 95 Also taking offers on scroll, single and book from box as a set or per item
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There's a guy under the moniker WaysandMeans that I think wants to buy some from ya.Send him a PMHe's chatting it up over on the 16 thread. ;)
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Yep, it's a question without a good answer. Once you're gone, your stuff eventually dissipates whether your heir(s) care about keeping the collection together or not. If the first generation keeps it, the next won't. Or if they do, the one after that won't. So why worry about it? I say enjoy it while you can and let your loved ones know if something has particular value. My wife knows the box sets are out of print and sought after on eBay. She would probably sell them and give the dough to the Southern Poverty Law Center, my charity of choice. And now for 30 unheard (by me) shows, soon to arrive on my porch. This box probably has good resale value. That is, if you keep it all together like this: 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 Yee-haw!
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