30 Trips Around The Sun Box & Digital USB

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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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November 5, 2015 - 11:16am

#1351

KYTrips

Joined:
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You people...

... really are a collective wealth of information. Thanks.
November 5, 2015 - 11:01am

#1352

segan63

Joined:
November 1, 2010

iPod Smart Playlist

I also have the 160gb iPod that would be overfilled with all my Dead, Dead-related, and other music uploaded to it. To deal with that, I created a Smart Playlist in iTunes that I set to pull 10,000 random songs from my 35,000 song iTunes library. You then set your iPod to synch to the Smart Playlist. 10,000 songs synch and I'm ready to go. Every week or so, I go back into iTunes, highlight and delete all songs in that Smart Playlist and it automatically re-fills another 10,000 songs. I then synch my iPod again and the new 10,000 are added. Of course, this only works if you are comfortable with the random nature of shows being pulled. I can listen to the Dead on random, but I know that some people want to listen to whole shows from start to finish. This can be done with this method. But, for me, it beats having to keep track of mulitple iPods.
November 5, 2015 - 11:00am

#1353

bamadan

Joined:
February 27, 2014

re: iTunes Match / Apple Music

I really want apple music to work for me. There are a lot of things I like about it, but more that really piss me off. Maybe I'm not doing it right. If I turn on icloud music library on my phone it f's up all my cover art -- trying to match it to something it's not. I actually tried last night on my ipad just to see if it had been fixed. Nope. All my recently imported 30 trips covers were blown away. I made the horrible mistake of enabling icloud music library on my PC originally -- metadata got butchered. Had a backup though so I was good. Would love to have this enabled so I could pull in playlists and other artists that I don't have in my personal collection. Thoughts?
November 5, 2015 - 10:21am

#1354

DJMac520

Joined:
June 18, 2009

iTunes Match

Is really not a bad way to have all of your iTunes loaded GD collection accessible on an iPhone downloadable from the cloud. One time yearly fee and well worth it IMO. Makes having a 128GB phone perfect as I can still get a LOT of shows on there that are go-to listens often, then download others from the cloud as needed.
November 5, 2015 - 10:17am

#1355

Sixtus_

Joined:
November 8, 2014

KYTrips and your iPod dilemma

...so the settings on your iTunes need to be set in such a way as to either manage your music manually, or automatically. If the latter, this means that anytime you plug in your iPod, it will automatically check your iTunes and then sync to whatever is in the library. So if you have it set to automatically sync, if you remove music from your iTunes library, when you sync it, it will mimic your library and therefore remove the music from the ipod. If you have iTunes set to manage your music manually, you can simply go into your ipod when it is hooked up and delete the songs from there, or the playlists, or however you have it setup. The quicker way, but less control, is to have iTunes automatically sync. I don't do this though, because it can have devastating effects if you aren't fully paying attention. I recall when I first got my initial ipod, I didn't understand this feature and couldn't figure out why my ipod would get wiped every time I hooked it up. it was a bit of a learning process.... JimInMD - thanks for the feedback on other type of players, I really have zero knowledge outside of the ipod, but it seems the memory card swapping is a great alternative for that other player you've mentioned...
November 5, 2015 - 10:11am

#1356

Rambler

Joined:
October 14, 2015

iPods

I filled up my 160gb ipod classic a couple of years ago and ended up buying a second one before they discontinued them. Now, I have one that is for the Dead and Jerry stuff only, and a little Bobby as well. The other one is filled with all the other music I listen to with a few of my favorite Dead and JGB selections in case I end up in a situation where I only have that one with me. I refuse to allow myself to get into a situation where I'm without at least some Dead (then again there's always youtube in a pinch). A guy I work with has a SanDisk clip, not sure which model. He loves it. Sound is good compared to my ipod. They take a micro SD card as well. It's nice and compact and the UI isn't terrible. I've thought about going that direction and having different cards for the different stuff, but I'm happy with my setup. It's definitely in the back of my head as an option when one of my ipods dies. Hopefully by the time I need to change my way there will be a better option out there for my needs.
November 5, 2015 - 9:43am

#1357

mitchmo

Joined:
February 16, 2011

Cruel Irony

Got a snazzy 30 Trips sticker with my copy of Daves Picks 16. Still no word on the actual USB but at least I got a sticker right?
November 5, 2015 - 9:09am

#1358

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

IPod Blues

I am in the process of kicking my IPod collections to the curb. I bought a FiiOs I for $99 off Amazon. It takes MicroSD cards, so you just need one player and you can sub out the music by switching chips. A 128 gb MicroSD costs about $50 to $60. I just filled up my third, and I don't have boxzilla on it yet. It sounds better, its louder and it plays more music types (specifically flac, so enter High Def). The downside is its a bit thicker and the software is a bit clunkier. If your IPod is like driving a mini-cooper, this is like driving a rider rental truck. But its ok, the interface is sort of like Windows File Manager (Windows Explorer). Its not like driving an 18 wheeler or anything.. like driving a small truck with automatic transmission. I didn't feel like springing the $350+ for a Pono player.. so there you have it. I also upgraded earbuds too, but that's perhaps another conversation for another day. ______ I just read all the threads below.. too funny. I probably have five or six operating 160 gb IPods (probably a dozen if you count the broken ones and the 120 gb, 40 gb, dead units) plus several waterproof shuffles. Fear not! Having a $50 128 gb chip you can swap out is a big advantage over having several units. Plus, you don't have to rely on Apple's sync software in ITunes, which will eventually fuck up your music (trust me on this). Just copy the folders into your FiiO and your good to go. I'm a bit tired of my overpriced IPhone too.. but don't let me get off on a rant.
November 5, 2015 - 8:52am

#1359

KYTrips

Joined:
August 25, 2012

iPod Woes...

I feel your pain, Sixtus. I'm nearing the "fill-up" point on my 160 GB iPod and it makes me nervous.... And Boxzilla isn't even on it yet. Question for all you tech-savy Heads out there (of which I am, undoubtedly, not one). I have a TON of music on my iTunes on my laptop, which is, of course, what I sync my iPod with. However, much of that music I could truly live without, as I have the physical CDs, and some stuff I rarely listen to. So ... the question is... if I remove this music from my iTunes, and then synch my iPod, will that music then be deleted from iPod, thereby freeing up much needed space for additional music (i.e. more Grateful Dead!)? Thanks in advance for any info.
November 5, 2015 - 8:43am

#1360

Sixtus_

Joined:
November 8, 2014

USBers and my iPod Woes

to the VERY PATIENT (in concept) USB folks....hope you get your spoils soon, it seems their solo monkey writing up the box labels is now getting it right in ATL, which seems will then lead the way to the monkey packing up your 'Bolt and getting it out...hopefully more than one at a time. In other news, as I was pulling a bunch of '91 down onto my iPod last night (Kayak Guy is THE MAN), I received the dreaded "Not all of the songs will fit onto your iPod" message....Noooooooooooooooo!!!! This is my second iPod (160GB), so I had to immediately go online and find another one and whaddya know, Apple discontinued these things (not sure why that is, cause my phone simply wont hold the volume of music I need to have at my disposal at any given moment). So of course they are now quite expensive but hey I had to bite the bullet. Nothing worse than having the treasure volume on an HD but unable to make it portable. I know, first world problems. But these are important issues people! Sixtus

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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
PDF
Text

any landings in...

CT yet?

Lost In Space

Well, I sit about 100 miles east of Taylor PA patiently awaiting UPS's arrival at my office, while I read about deliveries elsewhere in my general vicinity and farther afield (MD, IL). I got the shipping update email but my order status still says its backordered with estimated shipping date of 10/31. It does seem that there is no rhyme or reason to the sequence in which they are shipping based on the fact that a couple of the recipients posting here ordered the box after I did. But that's OK, I'm just glad they started shipping finally and it's fun reading all the giddy posts...like kids in a candy store. And I have plenty of good tunes to listen to until the box lands here. I'm a patient man.

Nothing in ma

No email about shipment, no shipping info., no emailed links for unveiling yikes !! Only gotten multiple emails about delays and shipping address confirmations. Item still says backorder and I placed it on day 1, hour two so now I'm getting worried. No news is still good news right?

USB has not gone out, according to someone at Dead.net

I just got off the phone with Dead.net, and they said that the USB chips are actually scheduled to go out at the end of the month while the box set is shipping now. Wonder why the USB chip is taking so long.

I should be...

...sleeping right now. I work third shift. I guess I'll go downstairs and sleep on the couch in case UPS knocks on the door.

Sixtus and LowSpark

Sixtus has it right. Congrats to those who have the box in hand!!! LowSpark: as far as taking the box off my front step, I know it will be the 90 year old woman next door. She is always peeking in my window wonderin, what is going on in there. Edit: LowSpark, you get to bed. Feel for you as I would be freaked out to work 3rd with Christmas Eve starting at 4pm

Thanks Minusmorgal(or whatever)

Got this pleasant message in my box: "you said: Sorry Profiteers.. Looks like you scalpers will have unsealed products to send out. Muah muah. I say: you deserve to be buried under medical bills and to rely on selling CDs to make ends meet, but I wouldn't wish that on anyone, so I forgive you for your malicious intent. But you should have a kinder attitude toward others, especially considering that selling a product is a legal activity, and one that your country is built on. Did you ever consider that one of the generous people on this board who answer your stupid questions all day long might be a re-seller of CDs? You're all class pal, take that ridiculous suit off." Because nobody else has financial woes, apparently. Oh, and I'm wearing athletic shorts and a t-shirt. I guess that would indeed make a ridiculous suit.

#0412

I found my number!! To all you folks waiting, this box is cool. I'm spinning the Midnight Hour from 7/3/66 with Pig screaming ALRIGHT! through the Polks. Life is good...:)

FYI

I didn't receive a shipping notice

Like everyone here, I am so

Like everyone here, I am so looking forward to receiving the box! I warned the guardian of my building a big parcel was sent to me as it takes for me in case I will not be home for delivery.A deadhead in Paris, very excited as a kid at Christmas.

no class

lol - I didn't want to embarrass you by posting that comment, but it appears you have no shame. Or maybe you do, as you didn't publicize your response. Like I said class act all the way. Selling 17 CDs from an era I don't care for from my box set and letting people bid on them to decide their worth is not gauging anybody, and folks in fact were appreciative that I broke up a box set. The irony was, I thought I would reach out to you to burn you some '73 stuff before I realized what a turd you are.

Alain

Been loving your posts the last few weeks, we are for the most part a giddy bunch. Question to all, how much space do you think 6,500 of these boxes takes up? I mean if they ship 1,000 a day, that is pretty impressive. I am sure the Europeans get a pallet or two. Then thousand+ (of boxes, maybe 64 boxes/pallet)to the West of the Mississip. I still bet 50% are in the NE corridor...as even Grateful Dead called it deadhead alley (Boston to Washington D.C.). Edit 1) So maybe the U.S. gets 5000 boxes (?) Europe 1,000 - Aussie 250 and maybe the rest of the world 250? Hmmm I would be absolutely interested in that data.

Landing in CT

No shipping yet notice from dead.net. But just got one from UPS my choice. Looks like it's landing in CT on Friday. Can't wait

Gary

Thank you, Gary. It will be a real celebration when I receive the package. I vividly remember the emotion and the excitement I had upon receipt of Europe '72. My friend had filmed me as I opened the box and I went out in all riches.

+

waiting in Montigny-le Bx , aussi !!!!! Hey, now !!!

+

So how many Aussies do you think are on board. Has to be close to 500. Just a WAG (wild a** guess).

AAUGH!!!

No box set for me today...sigh. It's been tough catching up on all the posts - did anyone mention if the sound quality is better than the streaming shows? (and they sounded pretty good). On a side note - this is a happy day, I would encourage everyone to refrain from antagonistic posts.

Keith

So far only one post on anything about the sound, that was an hour ago, He was listening to Midnight Hour from 66.

#4294 I think Arrived

NO Shipping email showed up on the porch they are NOT packaged like the DaPseries. The pictures or a video DOESN'T DUE IT JUSTICE.

# 6193 arrived in Bethlehem PA ...

@ 5:00 PM ET EXCELLENT! I AM VERY HAPPY! THANK YOU JACK (or at least your estate, may you rest in peace) SPOILER ALERT! Here are the dimensions of the box in US measurements (sorry Alain & others who use metric): 13.75 x 9.25 x 8.50 1st up: 1966

Boxzilla

Never got a shipping notification but Boxzilla just arrived on the east coast in MD. Time to get down to business. Refrained from the streams!

Here's one for One Man

for those needy and grateful heads who cant afford the box and only want one or two shows - the last FEW shows and the LOWEST price i'll ever go - each show $43US by paypal (inc postage from oz) - get in touch asap to reserve. Also if anyone wants 93 94 and 95 shows - 120 for the bundle email me gilmourstephen@hotmail.com remaining shows: 68 82 83 90 92 93 94 95

still wonder

Who wins the Contest. How many remained white as snow...

Now

Getting ready to transfer the discs to jewel cases and then packing this thing back up until I figure out how to display

Gary & All Other Fockers

Gary thanks for the update on the sound bro. Speaking of '66, that Monster song was a nice little 60s ditty, I'm looking forward to giving it the "crank test" (i.e. turn it up full blast in the car). I am so happy for everyone who got it, I can't wait to get mine, hopefully tomorrow...

Miracle?

anyone get a Miracle scroll yet?

Alain

I just received E72 about 90 days ago...had to order the generic version :( So no excitement from opening the Steamer Trunk. Oh well loving the music. Trying to remember which show you saw on E72. Will pay close attention when I get to hear it!

RE: MIRACLE

I had to go back and look at the email. my box has a number so it is not a miracle box. good luck to those still alive

Keith

I think I am going to have a friend who is a sound man come check my stereo this weekend. I mean I need to let everyone hear how good a 66 midnight hour is. Absolutely cannot wait.

Order Status

I was just wondering what the order status is of those that have received the box. Does it still show as backordered?

no communication

I have not received any communication. So there is some sort of Miracle Ticket? Is it Nassau Coliseum or Willy Wonka?

yes

YES IT WAS BACKORDERED THIS MORNING. The MIRACLE EMAIL READS LIKE THIS:Unroll that scroll! Does yours say MIRACLE? Well, we can't gift you with tickets to 78's best show but we ARE going to grant each miracle scroll holder with a personalized Grateful Dead 30 Trips RIAA-certified Gold Record plaque as well as your numbered scroll. To claim your miracle, we'll need you to follow a few simple steps – outlined here – by November 16th, 2015.

Gary Farseer...you mean this?

The Wonka Golden Ticket! http://www.cakebakeandsweets.com/melbourne/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2…

Order status meaningless

UPS tells me the box has shipped, but order status still says backordered, estimated to ship 10/31/15. I would say, Don't worry about the order status.

mmmm thanks sixtus

would love a Colorado Wanka Bar. I can almost see green chunks in there somewhere. Thanks for the update Fluffua, sorry if I did not get name right.

Sorry

I Hate being a spoiler but whenever most of you guys gets yours please answer this because ultimately it's about the music but to me this is about the BOX. I've owned a steamer and 90 1st box but this BOX takes the CIGAR WARLOCKS BOX to the next level. how do you guys feel? I've dubbed it the cigar dehumidifier

Fluff

sounds incredible! As I stated this morning, as Warlocks were my last shows, I think I will replay those tonight and tomorrow, even if I get the box tomorrow. Egad

@Born Cross Eyed

Thanks for the dimensions. When I saw the video yesterday I could see it was smaller then I originally expected it would be which is a good thing. I have just the perfect spot picked out in my music room for this baby. Glad to see you are in Bethlehem. My daughter went to Lehigh so we spent quite a bit of time down there a few years ago. I downloaded 9/25/81 show from Stabler Arena a couple of years ago. I like to have shows from venues that I know. Go Mt. Hawks! Rock on

Liner notes

Has anyone who has the box spoken about this yet? I haven't seen it. But I know someone else asked. From the quoted length of the book and the way it appears in the video, the liner notes Are Not in the book. So my edumacated guess is, The Liner Notes Are With The Individual Shows.

No Worries

You got it right. Colorado Wonka bars would be awesome Too bad its possibly +1.5 days from the WV. It seems we have Md. and THE WV panhandle covered that's closest to the VA mailing code

@rrot

Yes, someone earlier said each show is sort of like a DaP. Liner notes, photos, news articles, and the set lists are on the back of each show. Rock on

well gotta head east

Congrats to todays winners!

@rrot

I wasn't worried per-say but just curious. I live in the boonies where mail doesn't get delivered and was just trying to figure out if I should take a trip to the post office. I seriously doubt that it will arrive here in AK for a few weeks...which just sucks. :(

hopefully this helps

The CDS I looked at have a message from Dave I tried the last show. I couldn't find anything in the book but I'm probably the guy really answer but there is no booklet to the shows. the book reeads both you read half than have to make the back the cover I thought that was badass

Oh, I missed that

I did see someone post "they are NOT packaged like the DaPseries" But they are?

Got it, thanks.

They are NOT with photos, news, etc in the individual show cases. Just the brief notes we saw in the PDF.

they are NOT

It's kind of like Road trips meets Europe72 with a little bit of 77 in my opinion. So BE CAREFUL disc openings could be at the top of the show you pick out

If you really want to know

If you really want to know when the set will arrive at your door... Get a free UPS.com account (not a Premium, or whatever they call it). It will tell you the scheduled date and the tracking. You don't even have to know your package number, it will find it for you. Just have to make sure your name and address are exactly as dead.net has it.

THE USB

AFTER SEEING THE BOX I WANT TO SEE A UNVEIL OF THE USB PACKAGING

Show notes compared to the 4CD-set

Can anyone give an opinion on the quality of the show notes. I believe in the 4cd truncated set - there were show-by-show reviews and notes. Are these replicated here or would the 4cd box be a good accompaniment to get to also get more detail on shows (as well as be a handy one for thee car).

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