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    "When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

    We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

    The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

    The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

    The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

    Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

    (Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

    ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
    Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

    *Helpful hints for using your USB:

    Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
    On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
    On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

    Viewing the digital book:
    You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

    To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

    Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
    When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
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  • Dusty.rambler@…
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    Does this quote feel a little like an empty promise to any one right now? " So now you have it, but you should stay tuned as we will be revealing tons of great music, artwork, and more." 12 songs hardly count as "tons if music" and I haven't seen any "art work, and more yet".
  • DaveStrang
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    Tomorrow is one month until it ships - add one week (or more depending on your location) until we have it in our grubby little hands.
  • Topheraw
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    Tomorrow will bring us one month away from the big box. They've got to give us something........right?
  • wissinomingdeadhead
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    On August 5th I put a list of the amount of discs that I think each show will have in 30 Trips here on dead.net using the following format.... 1966 1 1967 1 1968 1 and so on & so on well it appears my calculations are ALL wrong, as DB 50 in the updates section has confirmed that the Dead played 2 sets on 3/18/71 so my 2 CD count is wrong so the only way I can figure it out to be 80 discs is to add 1 disc to 3/18/71 & and take one from 2/21/95, I'm going to refigure my figures & put an updated list here on dead.net soon, ISN'T THIS FUN!!!!!! Also regarding 30 Trips I think the "sleeper" show is going to be 5/14/78. 2/6/79, Why is it that I want to hear this show so bad, is it because I can't as DB 50 states no tape exists of this show, even though it's a well known fact that early 1979 recordings are spotty at best as no complete show SBD's exist. Only the "stronger" shows i.e., 1/10 2nd set, 1/15 2nd set & 1/20, partial 2nd set are SBD's & even those recordings are fair to middling at best. Also with all of the in fighting going on between Donna & Keith the band's playing suffered. Don't ask me why but I hope a SBD of 1/21 surfaces someday just because of the odd venue & from what I can hear from the single AUD recording on the Archive the Terrapin>Playin sounds real good. Is Jon Mayer that good? Did anyone notice that 10/31 & 11/1 have indeed SOLD OUT? And WITHOUT Phil. In closing I notice that the Taper's Section features 5/26/77? As usual a very good choice, as you can NEVER go wrong with anything from May 1977 this as well as 5/18/77 are both release worthy perhaps for a 2 show mini box set. Wouldn't that make a delightful Christmas gift? HAPPY MONDAY, DEADLAND!!!!!!!
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    Sept. 18 - '30 Trips Around The Sun' ships Sept. 24-26 - The Pope visits Philadelphia The Pope's visit is touted as "The World Meeting Of Families" I'm touting 'Boxzilla' as "Meeting Up With The World's Dead Shows" So the question is: Will the Pope's visit delay 'Boxzilla' arriving at the Jersey Shore? I'm in the Wildwood/Cape May area or as I think of it "Hurricane Country". Inquiring Deadminds want to know (or are Deadprayers in order?).
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    I like the Addendium better than the 1st 3 Compendiums, it has more early shows and better source recordings to review. Yes there are really 4 Compendiums and the 4th one is the best of the series. Both series are very dated and have been replaced by the internet for real usefulness. The Compendiums have been replaced by LMA and you can stream the show while reading the reviews of it and add your own review at the end. Really, how cool is that? Deadbase has been replaced by etree with the MD5 checksum verification tool to match the recording to the setlist and info for the exact version you have, again pretty cool stuff. Set lists are everywhere now, even right here on dead.net with the my shows tab if you are logged in. Both book series are anachronisms that are speculative in price for original copies in the used marketplace or ebay for people that want the books. Each series does have some original content and essays that are unique to the books, but the set list info and reviews are out of date or incomplete, and they are the bulk of both series. The Compendiums and the new Deadbase 50 have publishers, so there are chances of reprints, the original annual Deadbases were self published by the authors and very limited printings until DB XI because they didn't want leftover when the new edition was ready. DBXI being the "final" deadbase probably had a larger run and maybe even a reprinting back in the late 1990's, but for the last 15 years it has been easier to get a copy of DBX than the DBXI. In the 1980's Deadbase was advertised in Relix and by the time my order for Deadbase was placed they were already on Deadbase II, so that was what i got in the mail. The question is do you really want a $90 book full of information from the late 1990's, when you can find all the updated and corrected info online for free? For me the answer is easy, yes i want the book, i want to highlight my collection in as many of the different lists as possible, so i can figure out what i'm still missing.
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    The reason 2 of the 3 authors reprinted the DBXI for the 50th anniversary was because of the speculative prices of the old Deadbases in the used marketplace. They could have done a better job of advertising the reprint aspect of this edition. [update the amazon description has been recently changed and the DBXI reprint aspect has been moved to the top of the description from lower in the text that you could only see if you clicked "read more", but who pays $90 for a book without reading the whole description?] Maybe calling it Deadbase XI Classic would have been a better name for it. Old Deadbases will continue to remain high in price as they were very limited printings. They are a fetish item and most have been personalized with highlighting and notes by the original owners. John Scott, who was not involved in Deadbase 50, sometimes has new copies of older versions that he sells through his Dharmarose website. Which also has the official online version of Deadbase (last updated in 2002) Try there if you are looking for a copy that doesn't have all the years from 1965-95, remember only Deadbase X and Deadbase XI have all 30 years.
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    The Deadhead's Taping Addendum, basically "Volume 4" of the Deadhead's Taping Compendium a very limited press run. I check frequently in the secondary market to see if one is available for sale, patience I must have patience as one will come my way.....someday To:TPTB Don't you think it's about time we get a video of what Boxzilla (30 Trips) contains? We all would like to know how is show each going to be packaged & perhaps a glimpse of the 288 page book. I think we out here in Deadland just want a little "taste" of what's to come. Let's make it happen. Yes it's Sunday night & Monday morning rolls around real fast let me just wish everyone an EZ MONDAY MORNING, Peace, Deadland!!!!!!!
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    I imagine your's is a common inquiry among readers, whether posted or not. I own the 3 TC volumes and DBIX and consider them indispensable companions. However, this rather useless subjective summary aside, perhaps I can provide enough information for you to make an informed independent decision (remember, my observations regarding DB are limited by the fact that I'm only familiar with vol.9). First, TC does one thing better than DB and that's sheer number of recorded shows reviewed. For example, I'll reference 1978, which has understandably garnered a lot of attention lately: DB provides reviews for only about 22 shows over 4-5 pages, whereas TC addresses about 84 shows across 90-odd pages - including 5+ pages devoted to 12/31 (Closing of Winterland) and 25 pages to the Egypt shows. Otherwise, DB is populated with the following wealth of unique information: 1. Comprehensive set lists regardless of whether the show is reviewed, to include venue, show date & day of week with encores marked, guests listed, and historical vagaries noted (i.e., 6/28/91: "Santana opened - 'Dark Star' tease just before last verse of 'Wharf Rat'") 2. Songs played, to include (1) total number of times historically; (2) total number of times played per year; (3) first and last date played; (4) song author and other recording artists by identity/release title/date; and, most impressively, (5) every time played by date, set, number of shows since last iteration, and identification of the preceding and subsequent songs (i.e., "Ain't No Lie": Acoustic set; 1231 shows preceded its debut in 9/80, and it was played between JackaRoe and Ripple). 3. Places played, listed alphabetically by State, City, and Venues with dates cited (i.e., Lake Tahoe (8 shows), broken down by King's Beach Bowl (7 shows (with dates)) and the American Legion Hall (8/19/67)). 4. Venue Seating Charts and Capacities 5. Polls: both personal (age/state of residency/all time favourite venues, years, individual performances/"tape preferences" (i.e., Maxell, TDK, Sony !!!)) and per year (i.e., in vol. 9, polling of money spent touring/favourite shows, venues, new songs/ and a lot of other Qs specifically addressing '94). 6. Garcia Base, 40 pages, to include dates, venues, and setlists for all 24 permutations of his performing side projects (even those he didn't "lead", such as OITW and the Keith & Donna Band). 7. "Odds & Ends" - Miscellany from a short band chronology; to members' birthdays; number of shows performed on each day of the week, month, and season; most played and single stand venues; maximum lapses between song performances (by number of interim shows); and much more. 8. Comprehensive guest list organized chronologically 9. Dark Star Map (longitudinal sampling of 50+ DS versions from each year played broken down on a bar graph by component parts, such as "verse", "jam", and "space") 10. Anagrams (strangely compelling: i.e., Bruce Hornsby = Byron's cherub (?!)) 11. Set and Song Timings (i.e., a complete listing for 1994 only in vol.9) 12. Show lengths by total time, first & second set, and pre & post drumz (1994 only) 13. Ticket sales and gross revenue per venue (1994) 14. Physical tour maps (1994), designated by vectors across a map of the states for each season, in addition to the same map indicating number of shows played by state. 15. Band/Crowd/Venue/Show pictures (1994/20 pages (glossy)) 16. Ticket pictures for each show (1994 (glossy)) I'd like to think that each of the features unique to 1994 for vol.9 will be duplicated for other years in DB50. At the least, I would imagine significant commonalities in format regardless as to how the old database and new information is divided - but those who've already received their copy can be more helpful here. peace, K
  • nitecat
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    Hi forgive me for my dead ignorance. I have Deadhead Taping Compendium 1, 2 and 3. I have no Deadbase. Can someone tell me the difference, and whether it is worth it for me to get this new Deadbase? I am aware of the other bases, Jerrybase, Bobbase, and I believe these arent in Compendiums. Any advice, clarifications? Thanks nitecat
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"When we began discussing audio projects to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Grateful Dead back in 2012, we knew we wanted to do something completely unprecedented. We could think of nothing more exciting or ambitious than a career-spanning overview of the band's live legacy focused on what best tells the story: complete concerts. Our first criterion was the very best live music to represent any given year in the band’s history. We wanted to make sure that there were not only the tent-pole shows that fans have been demanding for decades but also ones that are slightly more under the radar, but equally excellent. For those who listen to the entire box straight through, chronologically, the narrative of the Grateful Dead's live legacy will be seen as second to none in the pantheon of music history." - David Lemieux

We are more than pleased to announce the Grateful Dead's most ambitious release ever: 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN. Available as both an 80-disc boxed set and a custom lightning-bolt USB drive, the collection includes 30 unreleased live shows, one for each year the band was together from 1966 to 1995, along with one track from their earliest recording sessions in 1965. Packed with over 73 hours of music, both the boxed set and the USB drive will be individually numbered limited editions.

The 80-disc boxed set is individually numbered and limited to 6,500 copies, a nod to the band’s formation in 1965. Along with the CDs, it also includes a gold-colored 7-inch vinyl single which bookends the band’s career. The A-side is “Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks)” from the band’s earliest recording session in 1965 with the B-side of the last song the band ever performed together live, “Box Of Rain” recorded during their final encore at Soldier Field in Chicago on July 9, 1995.

The box also comes with a 288-page book that features an extensive, career-spanning essay written by Nick Meriwether, who oversees the Dead archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz, along with special remembrances of the band submitted by fans. Also included is a scroll that offers a visual representation of how the band’s live repertoire has evolved through the years.

The USB drive version* will be shaped like a gold lightning bolt with the Grateful Dead 50th anniversary logo engraved on the side. The drive includes all of the music from the collection in both FLAC (96/24) and MP3 formats and is an individually numbered limited edition of 1,000 copies. Digital version of the book also included on USB.

Shows will NOT be sold individually on CD. This release is sure to sell out quickly so pre-order your copy today and stick around as we will be revealing a mighty fine selection of music, art, and much, much more right here.

(Looking for a smaller 50th Anniversary commemorative keepsake? September 18th will see the release of a four-CD version of the collection titled 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN: THE DEFINITIVE LIVE STORY 1965-1995. More on that here.)

ROLLINGSTONE.COM SONG PREMIERE AND EXCLUSIVE DAVID LEMIEUX INTERVIEW
Head on over to Rollingstone.com for the very first listen of "Morning Dew" 9/18/87 Madison Square Garden, David Fricke's exclusive interview with archivist David Lemieux, and the reveal of 30 TRIPS AROUND THE SUN's '69 and '84 shows.

*Helpful hints for using your USB:

Running the 30 Trips Player / Reader program:
On Windows – Navigate to the USB drive and double click the PCStart.exe file to run.
On MacOS – Open the GD 30 Trips drive, and double click the MacStart to run.

Viewing the digital book:
You can either view it within the program that comes on the drive, or by opening the PDF directly.

To view the PDF, open the PDF folder on the drive and the USB_bk_spreads_08-31 file within. Selecting the option within your PDF reading application to view as a “single page” might be preferable to viewing as a continuous document.

Importing music into iTunes and other library programs:
When you import the songs from the USB into your library, the information used to identify the track will likely leave them sorted incorrectly. Please use the song list found here to re-number the songs for each show so that they playback in the correct order.
PDF
Text

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Eeeeh, if there's anything I'm second most familiar with after E72, it's Spring '77. I've had everything commercially available for a long time, as well as some soundboards of 5/7, 5/8, and 5/9 that are better sounding than many official releases from other years. I can't find the magic in Cornell, compared to everything else. They all sound f@#king fantastic. Even Morning Dew I put to the test on one of my 80 minute commutes to work, cycling through 5/8, 5/22, and 6/7, and I couldn't find anything to elevate 5/8 above 5/22 and 6/7. They all had blistering crescendos with great soloing from Jerry and lighting fast flourishes from Weir (which I was surprised were him - that's one takeaway from the listening session I'm speaking of). I'm all for talking it up, however, because I would love to see them obtain "the tape" and release it in bulk to distributors all over the country as The Monster At Barton Hall. But yeah, Cornell, great show.
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Yeah, that was the article, "What's become of the Bettys? The fate of the long-lost Grateful Dead soundboards". Interesting article.
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Just curious, is your screen name a nod to the Farseer Trilogy? Wondering as I just picked up the first book of the trilogy and haven't read it yet. Currently reading NeuroTribes, but after that it will be time for some fiction.
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I've been reading Blair Jackson and David Gans' just published Oral History of the Grateful Dead the past two days. I'm now up to 1970. It's a very, very enjoyable read.
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This is for the guys and gals awaiting the USB version, if you have any cash left over. Just picked up the King Crimson THRAK box. If you are inclined to that music (or are open to it), this is a great way to clear your head for 30 Trips. Completely different, and definitely great. Like any other ambitious collection, some flaws, and King Crimson purists might not care for the remastering, but for everyone else interested, a fabulous set. Especially interesting (aside from the concerts and versions of the original album), the engineer/artist assembled and created two cd length compositions based on outtakes etc. Just a suggestion for something to listen to while waiting for GDM to put together perfect sets for us!
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I will have to add this to my list. It sounds like it will go well with Kreutzmann's autobiography, also on my list of soon to be read books.
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I became acquanted with a couple of tape traders who'd transfer Reel to Reel to cassette...they would always stop your tape at some point, while the Master rolled, to give you a drop-out in sound, so you couldn't sell (¿wtf???) their recordings. annoying as hell.
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>>acquainted<< the proper spelling is ->acquainted
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Yeah, I will never completely understand the mindset of folks like that. It's not far removed from the mindset of "I can make you a copy of this, but you can't make one for anybody." There were people who would "cut you off" if they found you had made copies for anyone. It was part of a social hierarchy of having the best tapes. Quite a bit has been written about it, and I think one of the Compendiums may discuss this aspect of the tape trading culture. The total opposite of the GD culture I was immersed in. It may have started because Latvala (and probably others) who had access to the vault sometimes made copies for folks, and requested that they not spread them around, but those reasons had more to do with their feeling at the time that the tapes weren't really theirs to "spread around." This was NOT the motivation behind this behavior by that portion of the "trading elite" that lived by those rules, but I suspect that their attitude may have had its genesis because of this. In any case, it's great that others with "elite" access didn't feel this way. Also, that after Latvala passed, those who had copies directly from him (these are folks who had much better motives for their behavior) felt that they were now free to pass the tapes on freely. And then there's the Eaton tapes of the Betty's, where they went out of their way to undercut the "social hierarchy" traders specifically, by trying to make sure they were spread far and wide.
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The gap method of marking tapes was usually not for GD tapes and started with Mike Millard who would create drop outs during different songs for every copy he made and kept notes of the "flaws" to tell who allowed his tape into circulation. This was so he could blacklist them from the southern California trading circles.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Millard The Latvala "tags" were usually an additional cassette gen before the DAT, their lineage would be SBD MR>C1>DAT. Eaton would add a 2nd cassette gen to his seeds before allowing them to slip into circulation, these would be SBD MR> C1>DAT> C, he would seed these on a GD trading group called section 9 on Compuserve. None of the reel transfers done by Eaton have ever slipped into circulation and are in the vault. These are the source of the 1972 Academy of Music shows. When Dick died GDM went after the people that had copies of Dick's SBD MR>C1>DATs and threatened legal action if the tapes made it into circulation. I know one person that John Cutler, who he didn't know, called and demanded the return of the DATs he had gotten from Dick, who used to send out copies to friends on future potential Dick's Picks. These recordings are known as the Dick Leaks and considered "hush tapes" not to be traded publicly. The Betty tapes in circulation come from the "Unindicted Conspirators" who shared the PCMs made from the reels on DAT in the late 1980's and became the WBOTB project in the late 1990's. They have a lineage of SDB MR>PCM>DAT Eaton finally started sharing his DATs, not the Betty's reels he transferred though, via Charlie Miller in the last 10 years. In the 1990's there was a more GD related type of hoarding that involved allowing shows circulating in DAT to be shared on cassettes, which was degrading the quality of the recordings in circulation by letting cassette generations into the lineage. These people were the "gene pool" crowd and would only trade with people who had the expensive DAT equipment and shut off people that made cassettes for friends and tainted the gene pool. It was these elitists that also fought against allowing the DATs to be transferred to CDs, using the same excuse of tainting the gene pool.
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Thanks for the clarification KayakGuy. I got Eaton's role mixed up with Ken Genetti's. I love this quote about what Ken Genetti said when he saw the stash of Betty's that the co-conspirators had (from the relix article): "Genetti shared the couple’s intention to spread the musical wealth, although initially he advocated for an aggressive, populist twist. “I told them: ‘You know what? It would be really great if you look in Relix and Golden Road, where there are these ads for people saying, ‘Just starting my collection; please help.’’ I was thinking: If only we could send out these to those people. Then, all of a sudden, those people, the newbies, would have all these tapes that nobody had. It would flip the whole scales upside down because I was so sick of these hoarders who had a whole closet of stuff that nobody could find and they would never show you what it was.”
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I always thought I had a killer tape collection back in the day. History can be harsh.. looking back with clear reflection it was laughable. I did have the best collection of anyone I knew.. but most of my friends weren't heads. I would trade w/ anyone that had an interest though.. I also remember the day I got Cornell (among others) and who I got it from (thanks Mike). It was in the '80's, likely not too long after it started circulating widely. That batch of tapes moved to the top of the list.. just in time for the summer me and my and gf hopped in my Toyota and drove cross country seeing as many shows and climbing as many cliffs as we possibly could. ..and look at us now, what a wealth of great music at our fingertips. Its good to be the king.
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...and noticed that there's free shipping on orders over $75 for the month of November.
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Thanks for the interesting insights into the tape trading community. Perhaps there is still some effort to prevent some music from circulating. It's been years since the Archive allowed soundboards to be downloaded. And there's the recent example of the previously missing soundboard copy to 3/26/72, which then appeared on the Archive just a few days after 3/26/72 was officially released as DP14. Though these days, with torrent sites, and the ease with which digital media is shared and spread, any attempts to prevent the spread of music seems largely symbolic. Then again, I really don't know much about these things.
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Did I mention I hate Apple? I literally just finished ripping all the CD's from Boxzilla. Low and behold.. my last ITunes 'update' changed my settings to lossy from lossless (ALAC). Fortunately.. its just the Box and Dave's 16 that are affected.. Unfortunately.. I had a good bit of time into this. Did I mention I hate Apple? Sorry.. but besides overpriced products they have become sucky the last couple years... Time to reburn and set up some Physical Therapy for the carpal tunnel I will surely develop after importing all this stuff and getting it 'exactly perfect.' Did I mention Apple sucks?
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So for the longest time I’ve sat on this story, and when I think back on it, I of course realize that it goes against essentially every grain of goodness within the GD’s community, but on the flip side, I was pretty young, uninformed (obviously) and totally naive. But, since this topic has now miraculously surfaced on this awesome board, I will now relay the story of how I acquired the Cornell show on Maxell XLII, many many years ago. I was 14 years old, and hitch hiking, for the first time ever, with my older brother on Martha’s Vineyard during summer time, just looking for someone nice to pick us up and bring us somewhere, anywhere there may be action. We weren’t at all familiar with the island, but for those who may be, there is this little community of homes that look like gingerbread houses – that’s the only way I can describe it – very ornate outsides, with lots of colors, steep roofs, etc. Well, our ride dropped us in the vicinity of this little community so we began wandering around. Wouldn’t you know, one house was having a party, and some guys, older than us, invited us up and handed us beers. And, you guessed it, GD was playing. At the time, I was still totally naive to anything beyond a few albums like Live Dead and Europe 72 as well as of course their studio stuff. But what I heard coming from their boombox was pristine GD, and clearly in a live setting as they were going nutty and just jamming like mad. I recall looking at the small pile of tapes on the floor, and the one that was playing was indeed Cornell ’77. I was awestruck. As the night went on, and I consumed more beers, I feel like I must have gotten a little more confident. Because I clearly recall that on our way out of that house party, I stopped and took the Cornell Tape – the 2nd Set – and secretly reveled in the amazing find I just acquired, albeit via an essentially & completely immoral path. Nonetheless, I came back home and immediately shared it with my couple of buddies who also happened to like the Dead. We were all just blown away by this recording – not only what was being played, but of course the quality was like listening to a CD. From the moment I acquired this tape, despite the questionable method, I have never looked back and have been on the quest to get as much of this stuff as I could. Looking back on it, I am not at all proud of the fact I ‘permanently borrowed’ someone’s killer copy, maybe their only copy back then, of this fabled show. But what I also realize is that it was a personal turning point for me in the history and lore of the wake that this band created, and for that I am incredibly thankful. And, furthermore, now that I am older, I make it a point to share share share and turn people on to this thing I was so lucky to have stumbled upon even when I didn’t understand the significance of the stumble. I hope I can be forgiven by this wonderful community, as this has been something I have always wanted to get off my chest and hope I can now move past it....so I ask, does this make me a bad person? Sixtus, shamefully
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Dammit sixtus - I knew it was you, I knew it was you all along! I want my tape back you rat bastard! I leant a box of tapes to a friend back in high school.. it had several of my choice possessions, one being a crisp '76 Chicago Auditorium tape with a wonderful Mission in the Rain. The bastard never returned the box. (you know who you are, Mark L.). I didn't listen to a Mission in the Rain that good until I discovered LMA a little more than a decade ago. That was in the pre-car, pre-job lawn cutting days, so a box of tapes actually took some scratch to save up for. I knew the guy.. much like a coke-head who owes you money.. he simply started avoiding me. I guess we can laugh at it now.
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Yeah, if the worst offense is swiping a bootleg tape from someone, you're probably ahead of most of us. Awhile ago, a friend lent me a dozen or so tapes- He was by far my greatest connection to high quality recordings. On my way to the car with the tapes, while it was raining, I dropped the box in the parking lot. The tapes sprawled out on the ground in the rain. To this day, he keeps my pinky finger in a jar by his bedside table, as a warning and reminder to fellow travelers. I was always like, who needs the pinky finger anyways. Actually, the tapes mostly survived the incident, unfortunate though it was.
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..at least it was only your pinky finger. Must have been some high gen. aud's.
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Play 6 St. Stephens and 4 Estimated Prophets, this shall be your penance...
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...and thus I shall find salvation. St. Stephen queued up, Estimated Prophets to follow! Thanks for the compassionate understanding of my festering morality question. Man it feels good to come clean after all these years. I suppose if that is indeed my biggest offense things will prolly turn out alright. Sixtus
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Thanks for this tip Jimbo, and although it is palpable pain for you, I am glad to know this because my iTunes also just updated itself seemingly on it's own the other day (right around the time my ipod maxed out). I will be sure to check the setting before I start to import new stuff into iTunes noting that it likely would have changed this off of the ALAC setting as well. Not something I would consciously check each and every time to be honest. Now, if you can back away from the computer with that sledge hammer in hour hand...take a hit of this....
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Sixtus that's classic. I will say this - the bastard deserved it, as he did not spring for the XLIIS, Maxell's top of the line high bias tape (I probably spent 90% of my disposable income on these in the 80s - what a treat when 100 minute tapes became available). I boycotted Apple after my 3rd iPod broke. What a scam! They'll never get me off of my Samsung Galaxy Note with Poweramp app now. I have 160GB capacity, which allows all the Dead to fit, and the UI and EQ blows iPod out of the water. Screw 'em
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I had a copy of Cornell 77 I got in the early 90s that sounded great (at the time) and it was labeled as a "SBD", which made it sound all the better. :0) I was so Grateful for that and a decent sized box of other Maxell tapes I got from a Deadhead here in Atlanta. I ran into this guy via business where we'd work together one day every couple weeks or so and always have to take a company funded lunch. During those we'd started to talk music and I made some comment about a few Dead tapes I had (aud) that I got from a random guy in the parking lot at Fiddlers in Denver back in the 80s. I fashioned myself a "deadhead" until this guy heard my reference and started talking about it. Holy smokes! We ended up rushing through the rest of our work and talking music for a few more hours that afternoon at which point he said hey, bring some Maxells in here next time and I'll start copying for you. So for months I'd bring in the bricks of tapes and the next time he'd trade me a box of gold for the blanks. He didn't have to do any of that and never asked for anything. I tried to pay him back in various ways but he always resisted. Just wanted to spread the music. Over the next few years everything transitioned to CDs and then internet downloads. The first DP came out and I found out from him as well. I've bought everything released since then but I'll always be grateful for his kindness. I got 100s of hours of listening to those glorious tapes he chose to share. More than a few of them vanished over the years thanks to "friends" who I also gave beer and hospitality to only to be stabbed in the back. Since I came by them for free I just wrote it off to irresistible tunes and the cosmic need for more people to hear it. I'm really glad we can buy the kind of quality now that we were searching for back then..and even though I'm kind of pissed about the USB situation, I'm still going to buy it all.
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..then all is good with the world again. Be thankful, my friend.. that its St. Peter (and not St. Stephen) taking to task at the pearly gates.. If it was St. Stephen at the gates of heaven.. looking over your sins and deciding if you can Go To Heaven or go directly to jail..being that St. Stephen is most definitely into the good ole grateful dead.. he might look at this offense as a mortal sin, worthy of a few thousand years in Captain and Tennille purgatory. "mmmaaannn that guy can play the piano" (said in your best Jamaican accent, ...inside joke). FWIW.. I think John the Baptist must have been a deadhead too.
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This is just amazing about the tapes. I've read a little here and there over the years, and you realize the amazing under current of stuff going on in the world of dead music/tapes. I remember hearing about JACE and was always curious to the labels on all our tapes......SBD,(1st Gen, 2nd Gen) Betty, Matrix etc etc. It was always so fascinating to the non taper/ deadhead, and maybe more so even today looking back on it all. Peace PS Ive always been a sucker for the Matrix
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Thinking of you.
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I hadn't been watching the news. yikes. So much trouble in the world.
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One month and two days after what would have been John Lennon's 75th birthday. ..this darkness, got to give. ..also, give peace a chance.
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I beg you please Don't murder me.terrible events in Paris last night, at the venue Le Bataclan where I saw John Mahavishnu Orchestra an The soft machine more than 40 years ago and in Charonne wher I attended an awsome Rich Thompson Show 4 years ago. Charlie still cries...
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Sorry and I hope you don't mind but can you dumb down to me what you mean by iTunes updating and ALAC settings? I downloaded the Boxset. What happens with this update? I never follow the settings stuff. What does it do? Will I lose these downloads or just make them sound compressed? Thanks in advance and prayers for Paris. This world is getting darker....
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What I noticed after burning Dave's 16 was the folder the m4a files are stored in was only 441 mbytes. Uncompressed .wav's would be just north of 2 gigs and lossless ALAC or Flac should be somewhere between 1.2 gigs and 1.4 gigs, so I knew something was wrong and it was not a lossless copy, some compression had occurred. I went into my import settings and sure enough.. it had been switched from ALAC (lossless) to 128kb AAC. When I got this PC (its about a year old) the first thing I did was change the import settings to Lossless and used ALAC, as that is what I had been using before. There is no way I changed the settings back. The phantom did it almost certainly when the software was auto updated. 128kb AAC sounds bad, it definitely sounds compressed and I am miffed as to why or how this happened. I don't want anything in my collection to be lossy, in 2015 there is really no reason to sacrifice sound quality to save disc space. Hope that helps answer your question.
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You need to configure your import settings in the iTunes preferences window.44.1 kHz, 16 bit if you want to burn it later to a CD-R. AIFF for Mac, WAV for PC. This is uncompressed. You can store it like this on a hard drive for backup and use the files to make copies in a compressed format. If you just want to load the music into iTunes then use the preferences to pick the format you want. The preferences can also be used to pick where the files are stored. For 30 Trips I set the storage location as an external HD and copied the discs as 44.1/16 AIFF. The files are now backed up lossless on a HD but they are not stored in my iTunes music collection because I changed the storage location. You can then use those uncompressed files to import compressed files into your iTunes music collection: change the storage location back to where your iTunes music collection is stored and set import format - ALAC, AAC, FLAC, etc. Then import from the HD where you stored the CD backups. I edit the 44.1/16 files with Toast to make seamless transitions between discs and reorder tracks if necessary. Then export as a disc image (Sd2f) and then use the Sd2f file to make AIFF, AAC, FLAC files.
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How does one import FLAC files to Itunes without decompressing the FLACs to WAV 1st? Can one import FLAC files and end up with ALAC files? Are there PC based tools that will do this conversion?
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The settings might reset with each iTunes software update.
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iTunes doesn't read FLAC (last I checked), you will need to go through WAV. Listening to Hendrix - Woodstock....... Good way to get Saturday started.
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There is free software for FLAC on PC. Google it.I use Mac so I can't make a PC recommendation. I use xAct but others have previously said that XLD? is good.
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Reached my quota for posts.Heading outside.......
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About the name Gary Farseer. No I have not heard of the Farseer Trilogy until you posted here. It does appear to be an interesting book series. Interesting that one of the female characters last name is Birdsong. I was just making a play on Jerry's name and sort of how I view things in life. That is, information I process and books/ideas I enjoy reading about. Will definitely be looking into the trilogy more to see if I can squeeze in some read time.
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Kayaker.. I, too, convert Flac to Wav then just use the raw wav files in ITunes, I don't go through the extra step of converting to ALAC, wav works. Another reason to be pissed at Apple. They wont support Flac because they are favoring their proprietary ALAC format. Those rat bastards... Let there be (flac) songs to fill the air.
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I'm a little slow on this but trying to avoid the news coverage and this topic will work for me. I'll set up a hypothetical and maybe I can get the info so I can understand it. I'll admit I am anti Apple and their proprietary ecosystem, otherwise known as spyware, and will not be downloading anything from them. Just the format names show you the obvious difference in the 2 formats one being Free Lossless Audio Compression vs, Apple Lossless Audio Compression Let's say I have a bunch of Miller SBDs in FLAC, how would I share these with people who are stuck in the apple ecosystem, so they can enjoy these crispy lossless SBDs, with minimum difficulty on their part on their Itunes players? Would they have to be in WAV format and then the Itunes user imports them into Itunes? Would they have to be on a CD so they can be ripped into the system? After the importing is there a ALAC version of the WAV somewhere on the system that can be saved? Once you import the wav into Itunes can you save it to ALAC, if you have set your preferences properly and haven't had a recent update that changes your setting to lossy MP4? Why don't people that use ALAC files share them with other ALAC users?
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my thoughts are with the people in France today....
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I'm a Mac user but have never used ALAC. I listen to CDs. Have all releases plus around 1500 CD-R's that started with the shn vines and now shn/FLAC torrents. Currently am working on filling the holes in my collection and getting Miller upgrades. The torrent files are expanded and made into an Sd2f file which I convert into AIFF, WAV, AAC, FLAC files, burned to DVD+R data discs and stored on multiple HD's. The AAC files are 256 kb and used on a 60 GB iPod which doesn't get used a lot. I will buy a portable FLAC player in the future, either FiiO or Sony, but not until they are USB 3 and play at least 256 GB SDXC cards. I'm also hoping that my next car has an in dash FLAC player. Preferably I want a 'carputer' in my dash with a 1 TB or greater HD. There are directions online for building a carputer but I want someone to do it for me. In the meantime I have 600 CDs in my car trunk and rotate about 150 through the cockpit. I make all the different formats because I'm planning for the future. I don't use ALAC because I don't expect Apple to be part of my future music listening experience due to their failure to comprehend music storage and listening outside of their own corporate tunnel vision. But I'm totally convinced that processing music files is best done on a Mac.
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There's definitely nothing wrong with sharing the files as WAV, but that does take up almost twice as much space (or if sending over the internet, takes twice as long). Personally, I share FLACs with Apple friends by converting to ALAC first. They can convert them to WAV or AIFF if they wish, with no loss in quality (lossless), or more likely they will just use them as ALACs. There are a lot of free tools available to convert your FLACs, but I find dbPowerAmp the fastest and easiest. It costs around $38 and comes in versions for both Windows and Mac.
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Interesting statement about the information processing, resonates with me. Seems like much of life comes down to information processing, pattern recognition. I haven't read the first Farseer book yet, but I dig the fantasy/ sci-fi genre, mixed with whatever non-fiction happens to catch my eye. Gave up waiting on George RR Martin to ever finish the game of thrones books so I had to find different fix for my jones.
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D/L FLACs in ZIP or RAR.Reconstitute file folder with UnRraX or the Apple-built-in ZIP expander program. Drag FLACs (or SHNs) into xACT. Convert them to AIFFs (AIFFs are the Apple version of WAVs) - xACT will drop the AIFFs into the file of FLACs. Delete the FLACs. After I burn CDRs for my music shelves, I drag the AIFFs I want to add to Li'l Poddy (I'm all Apple, except for my watch...) into iTunes. In iTunes I convert them to 320k MP3s and delete the AIFFs. UnRarX and xACT are freeware, I believe. A Google search will churn up the sites to D/L these programs from. (I only D/L noncommercial releases, almost always concert recordings. I recut the AIFFs and do whatever sound processing I feel is appropriate in a defunct program called Sound Studio.) on program settings: I don't think of myself as particularly computer proficient. Exploring program settings may sound intimidating but anyone who hasn't actually tried it should try it! I really think you will find most of it easy to do! Programs are much better at pleasing you if you configure them to your wishes! It's worth trying! on auto updates: And Auto Update is the first setting everyone should change! On a Mac you get plenty of notifications about updates being available, so you can keep everything up to date if you want, but you can do it WHEN YOU want! I assume the same is true on those dirty virus boxes (Windows computers).
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Paris, Friday night, I was not far from the room Bataclan (which took place one of the attacks). I had dinner in a local restaurant then, still in the same neighborhood, I attend a theater piece. Then return by metro and bus, got home around midnight, and it was not until the next morning (yesterday) I learned the horror. Thank you to those who have sent me a message of solidarity.
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