Grateful Dead

My thought process during these Vineyard "meetings of the minds" with a lot of different opinions is; I try to put myself in that makeshift Sausalito office with unmatching squeaky chairs in a band meeting, and think - "What would Jerry say"? In my imagination of course it would go something like this: (He lights a Camel)" Listen Man, who gives a shit? If Joe-Blow (no pun intended) has a machine from the fucking "Enterprise" that will compress musical notes into macromolecules so be it. Let him flac away. If Joe-Snow (pun intended) has the original boom box from the Fat Albert show that just plays plain old CD's, well he should be able to listen to the same stuff as Blow. I don't care about the music once it leaves our stacks, but they do, so it should be made available to all." I share Jerry's opinion. Some of the community is not Flac compatible. They should not be told what they can and what they cannot get off this forum. On the other hand people that are compression friendly have the choice to sign up for a vine that is not compressed. Something Iknowurider said struck me. She said " I have a good many shows that leave a lot to be desired concerning sound quality, but over the years I guess I've felt/heard them so much that I don't even notice. UNTIL I get the primo stuff, whoo hoo!!!" I can relate. The primo stuff is UN-REAL. It is the quality I dreamed of when I had my quite large collection of scratchy fucked up cassettes. I listened to a choice few (Freedom Hall 74' I would rewind Eyes of the World over and over and over, Barton Hall 77', and Starlight Amphitheatre 85') until they were so stretched out Jerry sounded like a frog on helium or they had some form of liquid spilled and spent too many hours on a 120 degree dashboard that they would just seize up and I would be pulling spools of tape out of my Alpine! Point is, then IT DID NOT MATTER! I have never been one to like light cigarettes (quit two years ago!), light beer, or any kind of stepped on watered down shit! When I heard my first couple of compressed soundboards of shows that I had listened too a million times I WAS HOOKED! I am not a "techy" but I am figuring out how to make Flac work for me because I love the quality. That's my choice. Exploratory Data does not want to spend the time and neither does his machine. That's his choice. This community should make a pact to provide the music for anyone who has the capability to so in any modern (no LP's, 45's, 8-Tracks or cassettes please!) format. I think the reality is, it will always be up to the seeder to decide how she, or he is going to vine the show. If she or he decides to seed just a compressed version in my experience there will always be some cool person that will convert them and add the MP3's to the vine if there is a request. (These opinions of "what would Jerry say" are purely from my warped Lysergic infused brain and are not meant to make anyone think I am a totally psycho dude who thinks he's Jerry). "Say you'll come back when you can Whenever your airplane happens to land Maybe I'll be back here too It all depends on what's with you."

Derek, I really enjoyed your diatribe - it was quite constructive - and from the last couple of days I'm glad to see we still have a pulse out here...Y'all rock! I am a big fan of FLAC over WAV. FLAC are ridicuilously easy to manipulate with Traders's Little Helper and you can even play them back with foobar 2000 which you can get here: www.foobar2000.org Anyone who needs help using FLAC format I'm willing to work with you - PM me. As for vine duplication, it is getting harder to avoid, and in cases where only a WAV version previously circulated, FLAC would be an upgrade. Not to say that there aren't plenty of other ways to download these. And FLAC definitely takes up less space. Cosmic, what size hardhat do you wear? I am always game to reseed anything I've touched. Lonestar, thanks for doing some sleuthing - I'll reseed the 1st Anniversary Vine. I think a reasonable vine turnaround is 3-4 days with the ocassional week here and there. I'm certainly guilty of being slow now and then or failing to remember to post. But, I will never fail to answer a PM nor will I be offended if I am called on a slow turnaround - we all have the same goal - spread the music. Peace brothers and sisters! "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"

I prefer flac because it ultimately puts less strain on my burner, but if my only option is burning a few cds for a show that I want, then so be it. I like flac for the quality, and for the reason I just stated. A 20 cd vine in the end, ends up being 40 cds once i get done uploading them to iTunes and then burning them, but I still love my CDS and until I get a transmitter that broadcasts my iTunes library through my stereo receiver then CDs are what I am stuck with it. Any way to listen to the Dead is better than no way!!

I am not against flac. Flac all you want. In fact, I have gotten a few flac vines by accident. I thought they were CD vines. I burned them to a DVD for storage and "future" use. I just don't want to see all vines go flac--that's all.

1. FLAC is the preferred format, but ultimately it is up to the seeder. As in the past, people should feel free to request that someone create audio cds from a FLAC vine, and it is up to fellow viners to choose to do so. 2. Re-vining an occassional show is not prohibited, provided there is at least some justification for doing so, such as the show fits within the theme of the new vine or it is a quality upgrade. 3. There will be a separate topic for requests regarding re-seeding a stalled vine. Before re-seeding, all reasonable efforts should be made to get the vine moving. "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"

reseeding vines topic - I am not sure if this is best as its own topic or not. After all if you already have a vine, you might not be looking through the reseed topic. I have reseeded several and the way I did it was by getting a pmail with a request for a reseed. It seems to work that way and also by posting on that vine's specific topic, thread. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

But if we could modify #3 to what Hal is suggesting, we'll be set. Lets keep a re-seeded vine on the original thread to keep all the info in one place. Next - how do we deal with folks who cannot be reached, so they get skipped but then they show back up and want the vine that skipped them? If you have to skip someone, move their name to the bottom of the list, or to the next in line on the list? I suppose this could remain flexible but if you get skipped, you should be able to still get the vine eventually I just don't know if it is fair to have to wait until the end of the list. But that would be the easiest solution. Or the person just has to sign back up again... Then again maybe I'm making too big a deal about it?? Just thought I'd throw that out there since we are on the topic... Have a grate weekend everyone and happy vining! "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

why I suggest a new topic is because most people, or at least I dont go through vine topics that i have already received and passed on. As a result, I have no idea that a vine which I already received has stalled. How am I supposed to offer to re-seed if i am not aware a vine has stalled? I suppose a pm system might work, but I don't see the harm in a separate topic asking for re-seeds. We can also post in the specific vine topic as well. A central re-seed request topic is something we can all check periodically. If I see a vine that I have, I can offer to re-seed without me continually checking each and every vine topic. We can post our offer to re-seed in the actual vine topic, as well. My opinion is to give it a shot and see if it works. However, if the community is against it, it is no big deal. I just think it will make it easier to re-seed without having to visit every topic. "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"

On further thought, I think a reseeding topic would be fine. If no one offered to reseed a vine there, a pmail could be sent with a request for a reseed to one of the folks who already got the vine. To those who have been discussing this, thanks for thinking about this stuff and furthering the cause of keeping the vines running smoothly. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

Have a topic where you can simply request a re-seed. I was thinking a topic where you actually re-seed the vine in a totally different thread from the original. Totally misunderstood. Yes that would be perfect!! You see a new comment on the re-seed thread, check it out and see if any vines need re-seeding. Great suggestion!! You got my vote. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

I would be cool with a separate thread for reseed requests. I agree that I rarely check out threads of vines I have already received.

seems a very good idea to me to have a separate reseed thread. When posting a request for a reseed I suggest that folks explain clearly (but politely ;-) ) the facts as to why it is needed.(arrived damaged; waiting for contact from **** for a month etc). If someone volunteers to reseed they should probably say so on the reseed thread and then post back on the original vine thread too.

A re-sead forum, My opinion. the old systme worked best . If we have a re-seed forum . who would do the up-keep and up-dates for it . look at the vinedex that is a joke . The only vines on the vindex are GD shows with complete dates . What about every other vines ? should`nt every vine be there ? Pink Floyd, ABB, Clapton ect ect ..I think the vineyard has gotton more and more complicated and it`s like do people follow rules anyway ? Do I have the answers , NO I don`t !! But why make life more complicated then it allready is ? That is my point , thats it . I`m done , now wheather you value my opinion or not I hope you all have a nice weekend ..

Why it would proboblet be a bad idea,. I can see people jumping the gun here and get anxious about a vine ,not see it for a while, so they will post it . some one would re-seed ( not knowing the whole story ) then mysteriousley the original vine would show up again . so someone just wasted time and money on a vine that did`nt need to be re-seeded. This has happened . Now if you have a disposable income and the time , then go for it I guise . Many of us are scaping the bottom of the barrell these days . Don`t get me wrong I don`t mind re-seeding anything , but I`m one who lives day to day scaping the bottom of that barrell. I do beleive simple PM`s would be best .

Want to take reasonable measures to ensure the vine is truly "dead" before starting a re-vine. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

trying to figure out what vine to do next any requests???? (~):-))) Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam

"Say you'll come back when you canWhenever your airplane happens to land Maybe I'll be back here too It all depends on what's with you."

i am thinking on Oct 1989 only 4 shows so far of that tour vined so far let me know what you think Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam

I was at the shorelines shows but have lost 2 of the 3 nights (9/29 and 10/1)... bummer... "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

Here is the first installment of the 1973 SHN/FLAC vine. Each part will consist of only 2 DVDS in order to keep the vine moving quickly. I ask that we keep this vine in SHN/FLAC format only, both for the same reason and to save postage. If people want this vine converted to WAV, and someone wants to convert, feel free, but please start a NEW VINE. Part 1 contains the following files: gd73-03-21.sbd.miller.29263 gd73-03-22.sbd.sacks.1822 gd73-03-24.sbd.bertha-ashley.25508 gd73-03-24.sbd.hamilton.1216 gd73-03-26.sbd.miller-ashley.1373 gd73-03-28.sbd-aud.cotsman.11473

now posted

Here is the second installment of the 1973 SHN/FLAC vine. Again, this part consists of only 2 DVDS in order to keep the vine moving quickly. Please keep this vine in SHN/FLAC format only. If people want this vine converted to WAV, and someone wants to convert, feel free, but please start a NEW VINE. The remaining 3 parts to this vine will be posted later over the next two weeks. Note, this and the other 73 vines I am circulating came to me via another source. I have not listened to any of it. I already have most of the shows in Part 1 in excellent sound quality and will not be converting anytime soon (maybe later in life, when I have all the shows I want, I will go back). I say this because, based on archive.org, I believe there probably are some sound quality issues on this part. So if you already have 4/2/73 and you just want the absolute best shows from 1973 (i.e., you are not a completist), then you may want to skip this part. Part 1 on the other hand should be a keeper; I grade 3/22 and 3/26 as Very Good shows and 3/24 as a Great show, for what it is worth. Part 2 contains the following files: gd73-03-30.sbd-aud.cotsman.11616 gd73-03-31.sbd.yerys.2237 gd73-04-02.sbd.ashley-bertha.22246 gd73-04-02.sbd.miller.17346 gd73-05-13.sbd.minches.7270 gd73-05-13.sbd.powell-ladner.24997 gd73-05-20.set3-sbd.cribbs.16531

Thanks again to comic badger for the latest Vinedex update! As I was looking through the list I noticed only 2 shows form 87. What a shame! I'd like to help out with that gap. I have 3 shows from Red Rocks (Aug 11 - 13) and 2 from Telluride (Aug 15 and 16) to offer. 2 DVD's of FLAC files. The Red Rocks run was my first exposure to the Grateful Dead. Although I didn't get into the shows I was in the parking lot! Then a couple of my buddys took off the next day to Telluride, I can't believe I didn't go. I was fairly young.. anyways I haven't listened to these shows in awhile but if I remember right they are very good. The Brokedown Palace encore at Telluride for day 2 is a classic - Jerry stops them about a 1/2 verse into it saying "Wait a minute this is all fucked up, we are playing the wrong key ... the altitude and all ..." Pretty funny. Just wish I could have (should have) been there! "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

I went back about 8 or 9 pages in the vine yard and let me tell you there are more vines that are stalled then are active. Its overwhelming, there's no way I could address them all. Mainly because most have a common theme - same people where vines are stalling (and piling up) and no response from PMs. I'm on the hook for 40 vines and I counted over half of them as stalled with most of them stalled to people we can't get a hold of. Soooo what can I/we do to get this site rolling again?? Like what happened here?? Granted I haven't been here that long but it certainly was not this bad when I started... I would love to keep this going but man its a little dis-heartening. I have begun trying to re-seed some of these but its going to get really expensive to replace all of these DVD's and CD's. Especially when you seed something then literally a month later its missing, 2 people into the list. I enjoy downloading and burning and making these CD's/DVD's and its no big deal to replace some shows here and there but this is pretty much out of hand. Sorry for the rant and I know in the grand scheme of things this site is a low priority but come on! If you don't want to do this anymore please take your name off of the lists or at least post a message saying you're done. On the flip side I really think we need to stop blindly sending vines along without getting a response from the person first. You can put your name on a list and have it take months before the vine is coming your way a lot can happen in 2 months. People disappear. I mean if we haven't heard from someone in awhile can we just send a quick message to them to make sure they are around first? Otherwise its like throwing CD's and DVD's into the trash. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

.....I recently got 4 vines from someone in the mail about three weeks ago that we thought were stalled. The person that sent them along had stalled all of these vines and then he decided to send them out all at once to me. I had to go back and check to make sure that I was supposed to be receiving them all, and sure enough I was. i don't know if he was just waiting to get them all so he can send them all to me, but nonetheless it created some stress and one of them for sure was a reseed that I had gotten started again. I agree with jackstraw in that we need to be more diligent in our communication with each other and not be afraid to pm someone who we are not sure is active. I am not blameless in this as i have been guilty in not posting when i mailed a vine out (LOM Mystery tape vine). So in short I will point the finger at myself and say, "bad Arkdeadhead" and promise that I will be more on top of things. I love to receive these vines. They are a true blessing in my life and I would hate to see people leave the site out of frustration because it takes soooo long. Being part of this community of like minded individuals is part of the fun, and that is the key word FUN.

Please let folks know where you are at if you have stalled in the vines. Shit comes up in life, illness, death, moving, tour, vacation etc. If you have this stuff going on, please post it. I know I have had a lot of understanding here since I have told folks I am behind on the vines because of family illness. And thank you to all that have sent good vibes our way, your kindness is very appreciated Also I suspect that there are a handfull of folks that are stalling or killing many vines, if so we need to let the community know who they are so that we don't send further vines to them. If they decide to start communicating again they can join back in but we need to warn each other of vine black holes. Thank you all seeders and viners for the wonderfull gifts of music we share here. Peace If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

I have been here about a year now. My suggestion is to wipe the slate clean and start over. It seems like things have gotten out of hand like a raging forest fire. One suggestion is to have a roll call and see who's here now. The solution is a vine manager but I think folks are too busy. I will say cosmicbadger's contribution is very important. It's a nice quick reference list and a time saver. Thanks man.

Of all the hopelessly lost vines, and see if we can get some of these revived. I think that would be a good place to start. Then yeah take a roll call - who is still interested, also maybe make a list of people where vines are stalling. I almost did that last night but I held back on calling people out. I don't want to point fingers and accuse I just want to get the music on the move again that's all. I think it is pretty obvious of the biggest culprits but I also think some of you old timers (not old as in age old as in been on this site awhile) would be shocked as to who the biggest culprits are. Anyways I personally do not think its a big deal if a vine stalls for a month for whatever reason because shit happens and there are some folks who I know vines move slowly through their hands and they are hard to get a hold of but the vines do move. Its the ones who get vines then they and the vines disappear, especially people who have disappeared with many vines. Or as EDA stated - lets just start over. Clean up the mess and start over. I am here to help in any way to get this figured out. Just let me know here on this thread or in a PM. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

if you are heroic enough to make a list why don't you just state who had each vine last and when. You would not be calling anyone out then, but folks could draw their own conclusions and decisions. However the problem is not always people being irresponsible; some vines are stalled because there are no more takers and some because the discs are damaged. thanks again

I was supposed to start a job/project today but the start date got pushed back a day or two, so I have some time and wil go through the GD and JGB/Recon/LOM vines and figure out who killed what, to the best of my abilities. Be back in a couple of hours.

...that maybe we should hold off on the calling people out. I believe that could end up hurting peoples feelings. There are people who have unjustly held up vines, and there have been people who are responsible who just got forgot to post that it was mailed out. I can see that grey area causing some problems if we start calling people out. We vets know who the bad apples are and they usually bail because they sick of the persistent vine inquiries. The key is finding the potential bad apples and making sure they don't kill vines. This is where the honor system comes into play. Of course we skip the habitual offenders, but aside from that I don't see whatelse we can do but to trust that people are responsible and when they prove not to be them they should me skipped. I know it sucks to replace stalled vines but that is just the nature of the system that is set up. I think if someone wants to take on the job of pm'er of the slackers that would be better than being cAlled out for all to see. Jackstraw or Dstache you can send me a list of the people we think killed a vine and I will personally pm them all. If they don't respond, then we remove them from all other outstanding vines until they get back with us. Just a thought!

I am going to post as I don't want to waste hours of time and not have a record of it. BUT I am not making judgments. I have gone through the last few pages already and it isn't always clear who "killed" the vine. And vines do get lost in the mail; I have had this happen to me. So if your name is on here once I don't think you should be barred from vines. If your name appears multiple times (and so far only a few people do) then I think you have some explaining to do.

....to our ever-expanding problem... I have thought this to be the most logical method since i entered this community...(remember when everyone unjustly flipped out on me?)... Instead of sending addresses to the person in front of you months prior to actually getting the vine why don't we contact the next person on the list for an addy request (via PM) after we recv the vine? We already go on to post we recvd it....it clearly shows who's next on the list...we can then send them a PM and if there's no response in 3-4 days they get bumped...that way if circumstances have changed the person can req they be skipped, not respond and be dropped from the list, or they send their addy if they still want the vine...no response in 4 days: you're bumped to the end...simple as that....problems solved....everybody's happy and our heads are being fed....am i wrong? I suggested this to Marye and everyone (erickat, et. al) when i first started and knew that my addy was changing in a few months but it seemed to have fell upon deaf ears....the above described method seems to be the best way to ensure the vines go to the right people/places....perhaps now that the $hit has hit the fan we should all consider this method...I'm surprised the "OLD" way worked as long as it did, I truly am...it was inevitable with that set up though...too much can change in the months it may take for your name to be up next...changes in both your own life, and that of the others before and after u on the list. What do you think? "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."

Given that there will be a central list of stalled vines anyway, perhaps we should hold off creating a re-seed request topic. We can offer to re-seed based on what dstache posts. We can re-visit the issue in the future. I have been doing this for about a year and the amount of stalled vines currently greatly exceeds anything in the past. I am all for doing whatever is necessary to keep the vineyard growing. "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"

but the first step is admitting it. ;o}Hopefully we can take a look a the solutions for this issue. I will take a look back at the vines that I started and try to give them a jump (or is it bump?). I will also think about the solutions offered and what can be done to be part of helping out with this endeavor. Things do seem a bit scattered currently and quite a few vines are dropping away as a result. And the Vineyard has grown quite a bit which make this all more difficult to manage. It is good to hear of other ideas and methods to get the music to those who desire it. Maybe this is all a new 'evolution' of the Vineyard? We will see. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.

Instead of sending addresses to the person in front of you months prior to actually getting the vine why don't we contact the next person on the list for an addy request (via PM) after we recv the vine? We already go on to post we recvd it....it clearly shows who's next on the list...we can then send them a PM and if there's no response in 3-4 days they get bumped...that way if circumstances have changed the person can req they be skipped, not respond and be dropped from the list, or they send their addy if they still want the vine...no response in 4 days: you're bumped to the end...simple as that....problems solved....everybody's happy and our heads are being fed....am i wrong? "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."

Such an easy solution. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

the problem is that people are not sending them out, sure they can give us their address and we can send it to them but they have to send it out Seems like we are addressing the front end for a rear end problem. But I have no solution to offer. It seems that we should hear from dstache first and see what he finds before we seek a solution. Where are the specific problems? If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

I hate to say it but we need to figure out who is stalling the vines and cut them out of the vining process until they begin to be more responsible. I am not sure what the exact issue is. Some new people bite off more than they can chew and sign up for everything (which is why you caused such a stir Fluff, but you have more than proven yourself), or they are people who have previously vined and for whatever reason decide to bow out in this manner. There is one particular individual who seemed to be moving along just fine and then all of a sudden he became a bottleneck and wouldn't respond to pm's. I don't know and my psychological analysis isn't solving the problem. We will have to wait and see. There are too many people who care so much for this vineyard, and I know that we collectively will solve this gordian knot.

Soon, soon, another 1/2 hr

Take your time. You are providing an invaluable service to this vineyard!!

After an exhaustive, and exhausting, perusal of all the Grateful Dead and JGB (and LOM, and Recon, etc) vines, but NOT vines for other bands or even the current incarnation of the boys, here is what I have: (1) For all the trouble we seem to be having, this is an AWESOME place. The MAJORITY of vines are either still alive or have died a natural death, i.e., the last person on the list received it and no one signed up after. My collection has grown by leaps and bounds because of the vineyard. Let's be grateful for what we have. It reminds me of the saying that democracy is the worst form of government, except for every other kind. Sure, we have problems, but all in all this may be the best place for Heads on the internet. (2) Communication is the key. Going through the vines, I noticed the lack of communication. It is difficult to figure out on some of them where the vine died. Post often, post when you receive the vine, post when you mail it out and to whom mailed it. (3) Although I initially disagreed with the recommendation, I now agree that we should PM the person after us, both to confirm they are still active and their address. (4) Emergencies happen. We need to be patient with that. Just let us know and we will be. As we all know, Hal has a family illness. He has a few vines and I am sure we all want him to take whatever time he needs. (5) As I said, sometimes it isn't clear, but when your name appears numerous times it is tough to give you the benefit of the doubt. For example, if 3 different people say they mailed you 3 different vines, and none of the vines turn up again, it is difficult to blame the mail (it DOES happen, but NOT to the same person that many times). (6) The bad guys. No doubt about these characters. They are the Bermuda Triangle of viners. DO NOT SEND THEM ANY MORE VINES UNTIL THEY CLEAR THINGS UP WITH THE COMMUNITY. Do not just send them a PM and ask if they are active; they have caused too many vines to disappear for that. They are vine killers. They have killed before, and they will kill again. (a) Chinacat503 appears to have killed at least 3 vines (Nov 72, Eurovines # 4 & # 5). (b) Markinthedark, once a great viner, appears to have absconded with at least 6 vines (KPFA, Maples 2/9/73, Flac Me Flac You, 12/27/77, Early Stuff Vol 1, 3 and Augusta 10/12/84); (c) gratefulmikes appears to have killed at least 8 vines (funiculi funicula, 93 by request, Legion of Mary, Winterland June 77, NYE 83, Summer 82, Greek 84 and LOM Mystery). NOTE THAT he is signed up to soon receive Europe 74 so heads up birdsong1969nj and Jimbo (unclear who has it right now)!!!! He may also have killed Red Rocks 9/8/83 (or Deadhead Ben never sent it to him) (d) Day Glo Louisville appears to have killed at least 4 vines (Eurovine Acoustic, Garcia/Saunders 73, March 28,31/73, Jerry solo 4/10/82). He is also an interesting person in the Garcia Party disappearance; (e) j.straw (NOT to be confused with jackstrawfromcolorado) seems to have disappeared with at least 5vines (Lewiston 9/6/80, Beacon 6/14/76, Fox 85, 3 from 82 and Hampton 89 reseed) (f) canyon critter seems to have killed at least 4 vines (Acid Test, 1985 vine, History Buffs, and Fillmore East 9/20/70); (g) PAPPYPGH appears to have killed at least 3 vines (Hampton/Harrisburg...84, 2/17/82, JGB 1977 Part 2, Silver Stadium 6/30/88), not to mention the Fall 79 Part 1.5 Rhino fiasco (either Pappy or Solix killed this one, tough to tell who). Pappy also should have recently received the Spring 88 parts 1 and 2 vines (Stephen in PA sent them on 5/28). Finally, he is up soon on More May 77 and JGB Keystone 12/21/79 (DON'T SEND THEM TO HIM!!!!) (7) Guys who have a little explaining to do. I am not sure here whether they have commited multiple vine slayings, or were just irepeatedly n the wrong place at the wrong time. These guys should explain to the community what happened before being welcomed back, but any old explanation will do. (a) Sakparadise is a suspect in at least 2 vine kills (Glen Falls 82, Fall 79 Part 2) and there are some questions about 2 other vines. Sakparadise posted on 4/29 that he would mail out the March 90 vine to Row Timmy. The vine has not been seen since. On 5/20 jackstrawfromcolorado, the good jack straw, posted the he would mail the Pink Floyd vine to sakparadise. That vine hasn't been seen since. It hasn't been that long for Pink Floyd (it was my vine, that is why I looked it up) so it may be ok, and Row Timmy has his issues so it may have been him on March 90. (b) Row Timmy was apparently involved in a couple of mysterious vine disappearances. March 90 discussed above and 3 from 75, which PKpotter said he mailed to Row Timmy on 9/12/08. (c) Brother Tom is suspected in 2 vine slayings. Solix said he mailed Cream Filling 73 to our holy friend. Brother Tom was the last person to receive Matrix Volume 1, and it wasn't until 2months later that anyone else signed up, but he doesn't seem to have passed it on. (d) Deadheadben seems to have slayed the infant Cleveland Convention Center 12/06/73, before it had much of a chance to travel the country. Either he or grateful mikes killed Red Rocks 9/8/83. And either he or Hard To Handle killed Sante Fe 83. (8) Guys who had minor hiccups [hopefully) (a) my friend Dave C was the last to have Early 69 (shoot, don’t know what volume this was, sorry) (posted 5/13) and should have received Early Stuff Vol 2 (unclejon posted on 5/20 that he mailed it out). Dave C posted that he had computer problems. I am sure he either sent these vines on and didn’t post (here, another call for communicating, post often) or is resolving his computer problems and will soon send them on. Ejjd is next on Early 69 and Jake R on Early Stuff Vol 2. (b) Darkstar1971 (aka Estimatedprophet 1971) rides the rails quite often. I think he is an engineer, the kind you think of when you are kid (a train engineer) but never meet. Hal posted on 3/19 that he mailed DarkStar1971 Fall 77 Part 2. No word since. DarkStar1971 was the last to have Orpheum 7/12/76, pisting on 4/20. Pomo1 is next for Orpheum. (9) Specific vines not mentioned above, many probably involved miscommunications. If you are involved here and can help resolve, please do. You don’t even need an excuse here, just a “I never got it” or “I sent it out” or even a “sorry” will suffice. (a) 3/28/81: Benny Jakes stalled this one for 3 months but eventually passed it on to On The Road Again, who apparently killed it. (b) Felt Forum 1971: greatfullygrateful was the last to post having it, said he had a family emergency, never posted having sent it on to Arkdeadhead. © Repatriation 1971: Fluffhead420 posted on 4/8/09. He was last in line. 3 weeks later Jake R and dpwstldeadfan signed up. No word on where this vine is. (d) Eurovine # 1: Dead Man Telling Tales posted on 4/20. He was last in line. Jake R and others signed up later. Now word on where this vine is. (e) Keith’s First Few Months: dpwstldeadfan posted on 5/6. Only Gr8tful Ted is signed up after. He may have received it and not posted. (f) Valentine’s Day: fluffhead420 posted on 3/9. He was last in line. Lord Monkey and Jake R signed up after. No word on where this vine is. (g) MSG 93 Part 2: Tommo posted on 3/24 that he sent it to Toddsnc. No word since. (h) Jai Alai 74: On 5/12 KingCargoJB posted that he mailed it to Emily J. Slimee is after her. No word since. (I) Northern New England Wish List: on 5/19 fluffhead420 said he would PM Tommo for his address. Estim8ed was after Tommo. No word. (j) 70 & 73: On ½ Estim8ed said he mailed it to Chasmo, who said he never received it. Probably lost in the mail. (k) BCT 86: on 4/13 ark deadhead posted that he would mail to Pkpotter. No word. (l) Little Bit of Jerry: on 4/14 Long Rifle posted that he had it. OneGratefulDad and Fleaflicker were next. No word. (m) 5 Garcia shows: on 5/21 cacthim hickory matt (or something like that) posted that he got them. Fleaflicker and Space Otter were next. No word. (n) Dead/NRPS 1970: on 5/5 birdsong1969nj said he would mail out to test4965. No word. (o) Pigpen Shotgun: on 5/8 Phat Moye said he would mail out to Jake R. Da roach was after that. No word. (p) Brent’s Last show video: lost in mail btwn gadeadhead and JimmyC (q) More May 77: on 5/28 Pomo1 posted he would reseed to Larry Here. PAPPY IS NEXT. LARRY HERE SKIP PAPPY!!!! ® More Mary: on 1/23, rambleinbearisgrateful posted that he mailed to Tommo. Stuman, then bearisgrateful were next. No word. Lost in mail? (s) Bill Graham Tribute: Playdead apparently killed. This vine was reseeded to the person after him. (t) Shoreline 91: on 12/24 Chasmo posted that he had it. ark deadhead was next. No word. Apparently Chasmo killed it. (u) merriweather 6/30/85: on 4/29 fluffhead420 posted that he PM’d OneGratefulDad for his address. No word. (v) Boston Tea Party 1969: on 5/11 Slimee posted having it. Dpwstldeadfan was next. No word. (10) I am too tired for final thoughts. All will be forgiven, except for that first group. I hope those that have disappeared with vines are ok, and are only AWOL here and not in reality. Others can figure out what to do next. I am not proofreading this so there are probably some spelling and grammatical mistakes. Vine on!!!

Not to be a dick, but he has stalled more than that. He stalled Winterland '74 for a long time and also RFK '73, which I get Oroboros to reseed. Both of these vines got sent to me by DHBen at the same time and it took me by surprise because I had no idea they were coming. I know that he does have Santa Fe '83. As far as I am concerned he is the biggest offender. So much for me not wanting to call people out, but this is info that needed to be shared.

Since Ive been active in the vineyard I dont think anything has ever bothered and confused me as much as this markinthedark thing. A few weeks ago I couldent even imagine him stalling a vine much less killing one. He must be going through some serious stuff or something. I hope that he gets it all straightened out. Peace and Love, Trevor "You know the one thing we need is a left handed monkey wrench....."

Thank you so much! That was an amazing amount of work. It was a little overwhelming going through all those ehh? I got discouraged last night doing it and thats when I went on my rant. I think this had to be done. Section 6 ... thats where the majority of the damage is ... yeah lets try to avoid section 6 until we figure out whats up with these folks. If you add up the slayings of all the vines from the people in this section... ohhh man the numbers are staggering! Section 7 is pretty iffy too. I hope I didn't screw up sending the Floyd vine to sak paradise. He doesn't post here that often like hardly ever so there is still hope he will keep it moving. It was very shortly after going through the vines last night when it really starting making more and more sense to get a hold of the person BEFORE sending the vine off. Sections 8 and 9 ... I think we are ok... for now.. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"