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Organization comes to the chaos "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."

Is this our new rant n' rave home? After becoming fully flacable today, I feel like the chains of slavery have fallen off.

The Rant n' Rave Room - I like that name... Hey its a good thing to vent sometimes! Let it all out! "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

To pick up where this left off in the new vines thread, the length of the turn around I feel is not as important as communicating what's up with it. Shit happens but let the other folks know. I am waiting on 2 vines, one a month and a half and the other three weeks.

well i am fairly new here...and after reading all the post i must say the only problem i see is lack of communication..i agree that we should pm the person before sending them a vine to make sure they are still around....i think we should wait like a week before passing some one cause life happens and when it happens the last thing on peoples mind is oh hey i need to post... that being saidthanks dstach for all your work and the other ones ( i am realy bad with names) i hope mark in the dark is ok...after i signed up for my first vine he pm me letting me know what was the proper way to do things around here.....positive vibes go out to him where ever he is

I know. All the things I can think of what possibly happened aren't real good. Im trying to think positive though. Maybe he just wanted to get away... "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

Yep, I'm concerned too. I even went so far as to try and do some basic internet sleuthing to see if I could get any google/dogpile hits for Mark Stanfield in the Louisville, KY area. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"

to re-seed some of the vines that have crashed. Should we re-post Dstache's list in this topic and people can try to solve the issues, whether by re-seeding or prompting people or however? In other words, do we need a separate "stalled vine" topic, or just do it here? I also believe that it would be appropriate for persons other than the original seeders to re-seed where feasible. The original seeders have already gone through the expense and time of planting, and others should help to get the vines re-growing. Just my opinion. Thanks again for everyone's input and effort. If anyone hears from MitD, please let us know. "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"

I think we should do all the vine stalling discussions here. Feel free to copy and paste my detective work here, Pomo. I agree re: the reseeding, especially for SHN/FLAC. With WAV though, it's one more generation away from the original so it isn't ideal.

thanks again and congratulations on the proper use of the word "perusal." After an exhaustive, and exhausting, perusal of all the Grateful Dead and JGB (and LOM, and Recon, etc) vines, but NOT vines for other bands or even the current incarnation of the boys, here is what I have: (1) For all the trouble we seem to be having, this is an AWESOME place. The MAJORITY of vines are either still alive or have died a natural death, i.e., the last person on the list received it and no one signed up after. My collection has grown by leaps and bounds because of the vineyard. Let's be grateful for what we have. It reminds me of the saying that democracy is the worst form of government, except for every other kind. Sure, we have problems, but all in all this may be the best place for Heads on the internet. (2) Communication is the key. Going through the vines, I noticed the lack of communication. It is difficult to figure out on some of them where the vine died. Post often, post when you receive the vine, post when you mail it out and to whom mailed it. (3) Although I initially disagreed with the recommendation, I now agree that we should PM the person after us, both to confirm they are still active and their address. (4) Emergencies happen. We need to be patient with that. Just let us know and we will be. As we all know, Hal has a family illness. He has a few vines and I am sure we all want him to take whatever time he needs. (5) As I said, sometimes it isn't clear, but when your name appears numerous times it is tough to give you the benefit of the doubt. For example, if 3 different people say they mailed you 3 different vines, and none of the vines turn up again, it is difficult to blame the mail (it DOES happen, but NOT to the same person that many times). (6) The bad guys. No doubt about these characters. They are the Bermuda Triangle of viners. DO NOT SEND THEM ANY MORE VINES UNTIL THEY CLEAR THINGS UP WITH THE COMMUNITY. Do not just send them a PM and ask if they are active; they have caused too many vines to disappear for that. They are vine killers. They have killed before, and they will kill again. (a) Chinacat503 appears to have killed at least 3 vines (Nov 72, Eurovines # 4 & # 5). (b) Markinthedark, once a great viner, appears to have absconded with at least 6 vines (KPFA, Maples 2/9/73, Flac Me Flac You, 12/27/77, Early Stuff Vol 1, 3 and Augusta 10/12/84); (c) gratefulmikes appears to have killed at least 8 vines (funiculi funicula, 93 by request, Legion of Mary, Winterland June 77, NYE 83, Summer 82, Greek 84 and LOM Mystery). NOTE THAT he is signed up to soon receive Europe 74 so heads up birdsong1969nj and Jimbo (unclear who has it right now)!!!! He may also have killed Red Rocks 9/8/83 (or Deadhead Ben never sent it to him) (d) Day Glo Louisville appears to have killed at least 4 vines (Eurovine Acoustic, Garcia/Saunders 73, March 28,31/73, Jerry solo 4/10/82). He is also an interesting person in the Garcia Party disappearance; (e) j.straw (NOT to be confused with jackstrawfromcolorado) seems to have disappeared with at least 5vines (Lewiston 9/6/80, Beacon 6/14/76, Fox 85, 3 from 82 and Hampton 89 reseed) (f) canyon critter seems to have killed at least 4 vines (Acid Test, 1985 vine, History Buffs, and Fillmore East 9/20/70); (g) PAPPYPGH appears to have killed at least 3 vines (Hampton/Harrisburg...84, 2/17/82, JGB 1977 Part 2, Silver Stadium 6/30/88), not to mention the Fall 79 Part 1.5 Rhino fiasco (either Pappy or Solix killed this one, tough to tell who). Pappy also should have recently received the Spring 88 parts 1 and 2 vines (Stephen in PA sent them on 5/28). Finally, he is up soon on More May 77 and JGB Keystone 12/21/79 (DON'T SEND THEM TO HIM!!!!) (7) Guys who have a little explaining to do. I am not sure here whether they have commited multiple vine slayings, or were just irepeatedly n the wrong place at the wrong time. These guys should explain to the community what happened before being welcomed back, but any old explanation will do. (a) Sakparadise is a suspect in at least 2 vine kills (Glen Falls 82, Fall 79 Part 2) and there are some questions about 2 other vines. Sakparadise posted on 4/29 that he would mail out the March 90 vine to Row Timmy. The vine has not been seen since. On 5/20 jackstrawfromcolorado, the good jack straw, posted the he would mail the Pink Floyd vine to sakparadise. That vine hasn't been seen since. It hasn't been that long for Pink Floyd (it was my vine, that is why I looked it up) so it may be ok, and Row Timmy has his issues so it may have been him on March 90. (b) Row Timmy was apparently involved in a couple of mysterious vine disappearances. March 90 discussed above and 3 from 75, which PKpotter said he mailed to Row Timmy on 9/12/08. (c) Brother Tom is suspected in 2 vine slayings. Solix said he mailed Cream Filling 73 to our holy friend. Brother Tom was the last person to receive Matrix Volume 1, and it wasn't until 2months later that anyone else signed up, but he doesn't seem to have passed it on. (d) Deadheadben seems to have slayed the infant Cleveland Convention Center 12/06/73, before it had much of a chance to travel the country. Either he or grateful mikes killed Red Rocks 9/8/83. And either he or Hard To Handle killed Sante Fe 83. (8) Guys who had minor hiccups [hopefully) (a) my friend Dave C was the last to have Early 69 (shoot, don’t know what volume this was, sorry) (posted 5/13) and should have received Early Stuff Vol 2 (unclejon posted on 5/20 that he mailed it out). Dave C posted that he had computer problems. I am sure he either sent these vines on and didn’t post (here, another call for communicating, post often) or is resolving his computer problems and will soon send them on. Ejjd is next on Early 69 and Jake R on Early Stuff Vol 2. (b) Darkstar1971 (aka Estimatedprophet 1971) rides the rails quite often. I think he is an engineer, the kind you think of when you are kid (a train engineer) but never meet. Hal posted on 3/19 that he mailed DarkStar1971 Fall 77 Part 2. No word since. DarkStar1971 was the last to have Orpheum 7/12/76, pisting on 4/20. Pomo1 is next for Orpheum. (9) Specific vines not mentioned above, many probably involved miscommunications. If you are involved here and can help resolve, please do. You don’t even need an excuse here, just a “I never got it” or “I sent it out” or even a “sorry” will suffice. (a) 3/28/81: Benny Jakes stalled this one for 3 months but eventually passed it on to On The Road Again, who apparently killed it. (b) Felt Forum 1971: greatfullygrateful was the last to post having it, said he had a family emergency, never posted having sent it on to Arkdeadhead. © Repatriation 1971: Fluffhead420 posted on 4/8/09. He was last in line. 3 weeks later Jake R and dpwstldeadfan signed up. No word on where this vine is. (d) Eurovine # 1: Dead Man Telling Tales posted on 4/20. He was last in line. Jake R and others signed up later. Now word on where this vine is. (e) Keith’s First Few Months: dpwstldeadfan posted on 5/6. Only Gr8tful Ted is signed up after. He may have received it and not posted. (f) Valentine’s Day: fluffhead420 posted on 3/9. He was last in line. Lord Monkey and Jake R signed up after. No word on where this vine is. (g) MSG 93 Part 2: Tommo posted on 3/24 that he sent it to Toddsnc. No word since. (h) Jai Alai 74: On 5/12 KingCargoJB posted that he mailed it to Emily J. Slimee is after her. No word since. (I) Northern New England Wish List: on 5/19 fluffhead420 said he would PM Tommo for his address. Estim8ed was after Tommo. No word. (j) 70 & 73: On ½ Estim8ed said he mailed it to Chasmo, who said he never received it. Probably lost in the mail. (k) BCT 86: on 4/13 ark deadhead posted that he would mail to Pkpotter. No word. (l) Little Bit of Jerry: on 4/14 Long Rifle posted that he had it. OneGratefulDad and Fleaflicker were next. No word. (m) 5 Garcia shows: on 5/21 cacthim hickory matt (or something like that) posted that he got them. Fleaflicker and Space Otter were next. No word. (n) Dead/NRPS 1970: on 5/5 birdsong1969nj said he would mail out to test4965. No word. (o) Pigpen Shotgun: on 5/8 Phat Moye said he would mail out to Jake R. Da roach was after that. No word. (p) Brent’s Last show video: lost in mail btwn gadeadhead and JimmyC (q) More May 77: on 5/28 Pomo1 posted he would reseed to Larry Here. PAPPY IS NEXT. LARRY HERE SKIP PAPPY!!!! ® More Mary: on 1/23, rambleinbearisgrateful posted that he mailed to Tommo. Stuman, then bearisgrateful were next. No word. Lost in mail? (s) Bill Graham Tribute: Playdead apparently killed. This vine was reseeded to the person after him. (t) Shoreline 91: on 12/24 Chasmo posted that he had it. ark deadhead was next. No word. Apparently Chasmo killed it. (u) merriweather 6/30/85: on 4/29 fluffhead420 posted that he PM’d OneGratefulDad for his address. No word. (v) Boston Tea Party 1969: on 5/11 Slimee posted having it. Dpwstldeadfan was next. No word. (10) I am too tired for final thoughts. All will be forgiven, except for that first group. I hope those that have disappeared with vines are ok, and are only AWOL here and not in reality. Others can figure out what to do next. I am not proofreading this so there are probably some spelling and grammatical mistakes. Vine on!!! "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"

(I) Northern New England Wish List: on 5/19 fluffhead420 said he would PM Tommo for his address. Estim8ed was after Tommo. No word. "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."

I have already re-seeded More May 77. I will also re-seed one of MitD's stalled vines, Maples Pavillion 2/9/73 (a great show IMHO) and also Lewiston, Maine, 9/6/80, to get things started. Give me a few days to figure out who is next and to PM for addresses. "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"

Sorry about that, fluff. It was LoneStarDarkStar. Looks like he mailed them out sometime after 5/19, Tommo received them, and that Tommo mailed it out after I did my research. Just a little lack of communication there. It had been 3 weeks since there was any apparent movement on that vine so I noted it. But all is well and that vine is continuing to spread.

Any recommendations for MP3 to WAV conversion software?? "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

Have you try`d traders little helper ? I know I can convert wav to mp3 , that fits an entire show on one disc that way .

It said that it gave errors but it looks (sounds) like it worked to me?? I always wondered what the difference was between burning wav vs mp3 onto a CD?? I was under the impression that wav sounded better than mp3 (on a CD anyways)... but I am really not hearing a difference.. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

Is because when I get an audio CD vine, the easiest thing to do is rip it to iTunes. But you know, it then is converted to mp3. So I was wondering if folks then go through the hassle to convert back to wav when you want to burn yourself a CD? I actually do not like iTunes' CD burner so I use a different program. Anyways just thought I'd see what you all do out there in vine land.... "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

switch sound file converter trader'slittle helper FLAC Frontend "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."

in quality of sound . in fact I have some cd`s burned in data format where i have numerous shows burned on one disc .I used both windows media and i-tunes for that. one disc plays for hours, but only on my computer.mp3 discs only seem to play in select newer cd players.data discs only on the computer. but hey it sounds grate to my old ears . peace..

for collection purposes I prefer FLAC but I always convert another copy to mp3 so i can load up a fatty disc chock full of dank shows and just groove all day without breaking the flow of energy by changing discs....kills the bzzzzzzzzzzz "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."

If you get sent wav files on CD and want to make CD copies there is absolutely no need to convert them to MP3s and then back to wavs.There are plenty of programmes (such as EAC) that will just let you rip the files and then reburn them directly as wavs. The trading community strongly discourages (to say the least) converting wavs or flacs to MP3 and then converting back to wav and other formats. Why? Because people have gone to all the trouble to unearth and prepare digital copies of all these shows and to distribute them so that every copy is the same quality as the original (using lossless formats such as wav or flac). If you convert these to MP3s for your ipod that is fine, but there will be some loss of quality. If you then covert them back to wav (or flac) you lose even more quality. If you then trade those copies you are putting inferior quality versions of shows back into circulation. Having finally got the means to avoid the loss of quality across generations, we should all try to use it. Indeed the trading community also tries to discourage seeding shows saved as wavs. Ideally all trading would be from flac to flac. Similarly if you receive flacs you can either -copy the flacs to your hdd and play them using programme like foobar2000 -Convert them to wavs using traders little helper and then burn them onto CDs -Convert them to MP3s for use on ipods etc....but these should not be traded. It is best to keep a copy of the flacs to use for trading and as a back up. Then if you lose any shows you have an original quality back up standing by. You can see a better and brief explanation of this here http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/faq.php?faq=audio or visit the various forums in etree

Click Edit, then preferences, , then advanced, then importing, then on import using you can set on WAV encoder. I use Traders Litlle Helper and then burn discs using this method, also make sure and set for no gaps between songs. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake

I don`t trade mp3 , just use it for my own personal . I prefer to store everything in shn/flac.(if it comes that way) plus shn/flac takes up less space on the old hard drive . Thank you for the imfo CB . Thank you too Hal .

Well said Cosmic! After all the years of trying to get the highest generation tapes it is so amazing that we can now get the original recordings at the same quality as a first generation tape, all in the blink of an eye. Everyone, please don't convert back and forth from FLAC/WAV to MP3 and back again unless it is solely for your own personal use. When you do convertback and forth what goes missing is the high and low end range of the music. MP3 essentially chops off half the sound so it can compress the files and fit them onto your ipod, etc. The hardcore traders can analyze this and see that the dynamic range has been cut off. The reason all this works is because as we get older we lose the ability to hear some of that range, but simply put, the music isn't as pure as the day it was played anymore - you are only robbing yourself! I'm not trying to be a taper snob, I have been known to use MP3 to burn discs for long road trips, etc. Much easier to manage. But, when at home, it is FLAC all the way... "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"

I just googled it ,and downloaded it . How cool man ! I have over 500 gig of flac in my hard drives and have been thinking someday, i`ll get to listen to it . Now I don`t need to convert it all just to listen . Thank you very much cosmicbadger !!

Has anyone heard or seen toddsnc around ? The May 74 vine I sent him has just come back to me , it has writen in black sharpee return to sender and his address is crossed out . not normal from the postal service . I sent him a pm today , let`s see if i hear from him, and is popagoniagirl still with us ? she is next on the may 74 vine . if i don`t hear from either in a few days it will be out to Brewsterboy. Take care folks and thanks again Badger !!

Stu: Same thing happened to me with a vine sent to Todd. I went to the next person on the list. Pretty curious. "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"

well thats strange , maybe he`s having computer issuses or somthing ? I`ll pm popagoniagirl and see what happens . hey Badger , how do I get foobar to play shn ? or is it for flac only ?

Opted out of vining a couple of months ago. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

Foobar must be like winamp - I can only play flac on that player, not shn. Supposedly there is a plug-in for the winamp player that allows you to play shn too, but I have had issues getting shn files to play. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

Stuman

Place this dll into your C:\Program Files\foobar2000 and all should be good

Peace

Rick

I store both FLAC annd SHN on an external hard drive (WD 500 > looks like a book). To create audio cd's I copy files back over to the C drive. For FLAC, I use the FLAC Frontend software to decompress to .wav. For SHN (shorten) files, I use the MKW compression tool 0.97. I never do any .mp3 to .wav conversions. www.eTree.org has the SHN converter.

I'm glad you found it useful Stuman, especially now LTA pilot has pointed you to the shn player. Winamp will also play flac and there is a shn add on you can get, but I find winamp quite unstable and fussy and could not figure out how to do gapless playback on it. If you get to know foobar and its many add ons you can do all sorts of stuff such as ensure gapless playback, tag files, convert formats and rip CDs to flacs etc etc.

Unable to open item for playback (Unsupported file format):"C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\My Documents\Azureus Downloads\Yes 1977-08-15 PRRP034 - Musical Rainbows, The Civic Center - Providence, Rhode Island\PRRP034D1T01.shn" I get this with any shn file i try to play . any sugestions ? Thanks .

Stuman Try this close foobar 1. download the dll file that LTA Pilot gave the link for 2. Go to C/program files/foobar2000/components 3. Paste the dll file into the components folder. It is called foo_input_shorten.dll Close, restart foobar and try again Post again if it does not work good luck

Thank you Rick ! Thank you cosmicbadger !

I don't think so man but I'd like to check out foobar for the heck of it.. "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"

....well some might say that applies to me too:-)

Two vines currently in circulation - namely More '74 and June '74 - include full versions (SBDs) of the two shows that dead.net just announced as being partially released on the new "Wall of Sound" Road Trips set. How does the Vineyard typically handle this kind of situation? Are the particular shows being partially released removed from the vines or are the vines kept intact with the explanation that the full shows and the GD-mastered partial shows are not the same recordings? Can someone clarify? "Come with me or go alone, he's come to take his children home"

Good deal . . . now back to regular programming . . . :-) "Come with me or go alone, he's come to take his children home"

Thanks guys, for the foobar help. Can anyone tell me how to organize my music in foobar? I will happily throw out itunes, as soon as I can figure out how to organize foobar entries. No clue. I want to thank you all, for my music collection has grown since August from 8 Dick's Picks, to a real delight of Dead sdbd's. I am only sorry I do not have any music to share back with you. You guys are the absolute best, and your efforts to keep the music in the shape it was played, is impressive. I am taking a break from vining for a while, until the bad taste of the things people have said about MitD wears off and goes away. Thanks for all your hard work guys, I am one who has directly benefitted from it. Andy S.

I hope he is OK. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.

I found his exact name (with middle initial) on Facebook from Louisville. I tried to "friend" him a week ago and got no response. "Say you'll come back when you can Whenever your airplane happens to land Maybe I'll be back here too It all depends on what's with you."

Disappeared right as the tour was kicking off. At the time I think we all just thought he was out on tour but man this is bad. No response here, by email or Facebook. "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."

Hey all.... I want to thank everyone who is involved in the seeding of this vineyard.... I too am a direct beneficiary of all of your efforts... I have gradually lost-given away-thrown away-forgotten hundreds of quality cassettes over the last two decades.... and and am loving the new collection I am working on... and will continue to do so. Just bought a new WD 1 TB external drive.... cheap too!!.... so hopefully I can help on the re-seed side down the road. Finally.... brand new to it.... but I praise the virtues of FLAC/SHN!! Again.... thanks for seeding.... thanks for sending.... and I will do my best to help it grow. Be well all.... RaymondMBrown Baltimore MD

to the Vineyard Raymond. May you fill that 1TB Drive! "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"

I looked into the Kentuky state prison systme , you just never know, but Thankfully they had NO imformation on him . I take that as a good thing, at least he`s not in a Kentuky prison. I hope he`s not in any prison ! other searches i did for him had come back with no imformation. I`ll continue to look for him . I to hope he is ok . I miss him around here . Yes Welcome Raymond ! My 500 gig HD is full and I`m working on a 1 TB HD now . Peace and sunshine to all ! And happy fathers day guy`s !