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    Ease them in! Hook your favorite future Dead Head up with the complete July 8, 1978 show from Red Rocks, widely considered one of the greatest concerts in Grateful Dead history.

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    I've always frowned on throat tats but the skull on the packaging is well worth consideration.anybody have problems with importing disc 1 7-1-78?
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    Peter Tosh and multiple trips to Red Rocks, sounds like a blast hey I am not sure if you have this or not - Peter Tosh Live & Dangerous: Boston 1976 - it is awesome !!!!! 5 stars
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    Nice website
    Good information in this website. UPSC medical officer call letter
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    My Red Rocks Adventure ('78 Version)
    Thanks for your story Oroborus! Takes me back . . . I graduated high school in Philly in the spring of '78. I had seen some shows, one in '74 at the Spectrum, a few of the '76 theater shows, and then '77 (including Englishtown) and spring of '78 and was completely and utterly on the bus. Two days after graduation, I headed to Boulder with a friend, to spend some time on my way to college in Berkeley in the fall. When we arrived our Boulder friends were brimming with excitement - after years of seeing concerts at Red Rocks and thinking how awesome it would be if the Dead would play there - they were! The shows were just a couple of weeks away and they had tickets for us! Wow - I had never seen Red Rocks but had heard all about it. Expectations were running high. We headed down on the 7th and I was awestruck at the beauty of the venue. Towering walls of rock, with super steep rows of seating rising up between the rocks, it was all perched on the edge of the front range with a view forever out over the plains to the East, over Denver and on to Kansas. We were there in the afternoon and a deadhead was sitting down in front of the stage softly playing a guitar, and as we climbed high to the top of the seats we could hear him as though he was right next to us, due to the amazing acoustics of the rocks. Then a friend went down and spoke quietly, and we could also hear him all the way up top. We managed to get seats both nights about tenth row center and the shows speak for themselves. Friday was oh so fun and the crowd was oh so into it. But Saturday - that was one of those truly special nights where the band was clearly in another zone, where everything they played was beyond description and every song was a version for the ages! I remember Bill Walton on crutches dancing next to the stage . . . and I remember as it got dark how the lights from Denver and the plains to the east twinkled above the band and the rock immediately behind them And that was my welcome to the West, Philly boy. And what we didn't appreciate at the time was the beautiful weather - sure there was some typical front range lightening at times, but nothing like some of the subsequent years (read on). Side note: I took the Grey Rabbit hippie bus from Berkeley to Red Rocks the next year, in August of '79. Well due to the bus we missed the first show when my friend had gotten me a backstage pass - argh! The next two nights were rained out and held at McNichols arena, which pretty much sucks when you came for Red Rocks and have an unused backstage laminate in your pocket. I still have it too - with a Shakedown Street logo on it. However, I met a lot of great deadhead friends on that bus and have lots of photos in my album. It was a great trip with great stories, and many new friends that I would see at shows and at homes over the next ten or more years. Another side note - I went back in '83, I think, when it rained and they played every song with "rain" lyrics (including of course "I'd shine my light through the cool Colorado rain . . .") We called that year "Wet Rocks." They sold cheap yellow ponchos at the event and many people were wearing them. Later the fall I was ushering a Peter Tosh show in San Francisco (Bill graham's Kabuki nightclub). Bob and Bill and Mickey were there in a box seat, so i chatted with them between the early and late show as we smoked a joint together. I mentioned to Billy the pouring rain at Red Rocks and he commented on how weird it was to look out at that steep wall of people in the tiers of seats, seemingly all wearing yellow ponchos!
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    So Close and then.....
    I was all excited to see that mine was just 30 miles away on Monday buy now the tracking is showing it 500 miles away in another state - it does appear to be heading back in my direction though - can't wait to hear it.
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    I got mine in the mail yesterday. 78 has never been a year I delved into too much, as 77 was always the year that offered more in terms of consistent playing. That being said I had bootlegs of these shows (7/7/78 as well) and I always liked these shows. Having the Betty Board back in the vault and then giving this a proper release is awesome. In my opinion, DL and Rhino have been nothing short of absolute Jedi Masters when it comes to releasing shows. I used argue rather passionately and in hindsight unnecessarily, about the need to release complete shows over compilations. I further argued that the best shows should be released. Well, DL and the crew at Rhino have done just that. Ever since the RT series ended, they have been putting out everything I could every dream of. All of the Europe 72 shows, the May 77 box, Veneta 72, Formerly the Warlocks box, Spring 90, and all of Dave's Picks. Of course there is more, but my point is that 7/8/78 is show is a good show that falls into the category of one that should have been released. The best of all of this, is that many of us have had the bootlegs from the past or have heard many shows in other formats prior to the release. So we really have the power to pick and choose which shows to get, and sometimes yes, what we can afford. I feel very spoiled yet also very thankful for what DL and Rhino have released. Can't wait for more.
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    response to "the money they're making"
    Guit 30 - It's very easy to calculate the money they are making! Just multiply units by unit cost. Then do the math and net out things like song rights, MASSIVE design/packaging/printing/CD pressing costs, Rhino's cut (huge), Dave's and others' salaries and general GDM salaries/lawyers/overhead (huge), THEN divide the result by 6~ band members! Start filling in even conservative estimates for those items, and it really nets out to NOT a lot of money at all. It's about extending the legacy and sharing the vault, not the money. Just pulling a profit on these releases is impressive. I find it unfortunate when people portray this (not that you did this...) as a massive money making scheme, or assume everyone is buying BMW's with "all the money they're making". No one is getting rich on these releases, except our ears. That's probably why other bands don't release their archival live releases. It's an extremely complicated process, and why go through all the work when the band members who would authorize release net almost no profit? High risk/low or no reward. Only those who are truly passionate about their music and their fans bother with that hassle.
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    I echo DP36's sentiments thanking Oroboros and all tapers for their efforts. 11/29/80 was one of my first boots - I can't imagine not having that and so many other great auds over the years. 8/6/71 is another - Best Hard to Handle ever, and the aud is more enjoyable than the SBD. That's a feat. Hat's off to all the taper's out there who kept us sane before the boys finally started releasing all this stuff.
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    Thanks for your great background information!
    Really great observations about how the Dead approached their music and the settings for their performances at this time in 78. I especially appreciated your connection to their forthcoming Egyptian trip. Well-done!
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    Mr. Oroboros, This is my first dive into these shows. I ordered the box CD package, but downloaded the FLAC yesterday and today, as I could not bear to not have the highest resolution available, especially for this most heralded release. I rarely post to any thread on dead.net, but read each one carefully almost daily. You inspired me to post for a couple of reasons. The first one is because you went out there and captured history. At the time, perhaps not knowing how important audio recordings would become for such a (search for a word... epic, iconic, life changing) group of musicians affectionately known as The Grateful Dead. I belong to a huge growing group of humans that are indebted to you and Mr. Wagner et al. The audience recordings of Grateful Dead shows hold such a special place in my heart. Teleporting me to another place and space in time where my soul lives can not always be done with the crispy soundboards. Betty Cantor is an anomoly. Her recordings speak to me the way that yours and others that have taped speak to me. Every personally taped show is a time capsule that I hold in my heart as a treasure regardless of what many may deem high / low quality. It's a fossil. Perhaps that's the History major in me. Truth be told I teach special education high school science and math. But on to my the second reason of you inspiring me to post on this grand evening. This one speaks to the historical nature in me. Nothing beats first hand accounts of history. You were there; you got the Nak in! The way in which you got your gear in is as entertaining as the way you penned your liner notes. I'm grateful to have people like you that enrich the listening experience tenfold. Thank you for sharing. Sincerely. It means more than I know how to scribe in this box. Reading first hand accounts of deadheads at all the various shows paints the picture brighter in my mind, and I thank you once again. Teachers open the door but you must enter by yourself. Cheers, Drew
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Red Rocks Amphitheatre, Morrison, CO 7/8/1978 CD

Ease them in! Hook your favorite future Dead Head up with the complete July 8, 1978 show from Red Rocks, widely considered one of the greatest concerts in Grateful Dead history.

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Propelled me to grilling excellence that day! Always enjoyed this show. It has long been one of the cleanest bootlegs in circulation and this one should be just spectacular.
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This was certainly one of the top five Dead shows I was ever at out of 300 I've been to. the following month they returned to Red Rocks for two more shows in Aug. and even though they broke out new tunes in the Aug shows they were weak compared to July 7th and especially July 8th. So very long ago.
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Unexpected. THANK YOU for the REAL GRATE time WE are ALL gonna have!!!!!
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When I burned my CDs of 7/8/78 I put Jack Straw, Peggy-O, Music Never, Cold Rain, BIODTL, Scarlet>Fire from 7/7 on the third disc after the encores. I ordered the full box so it doesn't really matter to me, but it did make a very nice addition to an otherwise terribly short disc.
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I'll buy it retail at my local record store, in person.However that 3rd disc is very short, as wadeocu made the same comment earlier. He added some filler from the previous night's show.
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Disc 3 triple encore and a little filler would have spiced things up an extra notch. The copy I have of 7.8.78 is filled with 1st set Material from 8.25.72 - BCT run - it fits perfectly A few years ago Rhino released these back to back - Sunshine Daydream (8.27.72) and Dave's Picks 7 (4.24.78). The CD-R third disc of 7.8.78 came in handy and was very clutch. Perfect to quench my thirst for primetime stuff from both eras without the changing the disc Lol The cover art for this is fantastic, great images and colors, very reminiscent of the Stanley Mouse 1981 European tour poster,, Bravo Paul Pope
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This version of Deal. Bobby and Donna scream at each other for what seems like an eternity. Rest of show is killer!
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Glad to see that this show will be available as a stand-alone album!
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Red Rocks '78 were my first 4 shows and the contrast between July and August was remarkable. The band was so impressed with Red Rocks that they came back in August after recording Shakedown Street and treated us to the first performances (or new versions) of 6 songs. Everyone loves the fierce high energy of the July shows but the perfection of the almost studio quality of August shows was just as good. August was virtually unannounced and didn't even fill Red Rocks hence the lack of good tapes all these years. I had a tough time finding these boards in the day and didn't get a good copy until the Red Robin bootleg CD from Italy came out in the mid-90's. Thanks Betty!
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I'm already getting the box set, but since this was my only attended birthday show I gotta snag this one too. Mighty swell!
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Funny, the day before they announced this box I was thinking to myself, "I can't believe 7/8/78 hasn't been released yet. Maybe they're planning the 7th and 8th together as a box. Boy, wouldn't that be nice!" Little did I know...
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Glad this is being offered as a stand alone. Truly worthy!
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I wasn't there, but I have a distinct memory of first hearing this show. Back when there was no internet archive and really few live releases I heard this on a cassette tape while on a road trip in a car full of friends. I was just getting into the Dead, but I could tell this was an amazing show. I can still see that 7-8-78 Red Rocks sharpie marking burned into my memory, and although I never saw a picture my friends told me Bob wore a wolf man mask and I have an image of that as well. I also remember when I asked if I could borrow it I was told "NO!!!!l" it was years before I heard it again. Stoked to finally get my own copy!!!
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I got this tape in the mid to late eighties. I was never a big El Paso fan until I heard this. Jerry plays these ridiculously fast runs. A true mind boggler, and now I am a seeker of all El Paso's! A great show, as is the one from Arrowhead Stadium
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8/27/72 out of Dark Star2/9/73 8/1/73 out of Dark Star 8/31/78 out a sublime 0.5step 4/28/71 all of the slow ones from 71
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Funny as hell! I had a female roommate who had never heard of the GD and I played a DAT copy of 7-8 1978. When we got to the end of "Deal", she sat bolt upright and asked the perennial question: "wtF is WRONG with her?" The ending of that "Deal" is like getting stabbed in the ear with a knitting needle.
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Lol, funny, I love '78 Deal for Donna's hitting that high note in the ending. I don't recall this one though, sounds like it's a Bob / Donna combo wreck.
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I think this is an overpriced great show. One of the best for mid 1978.Why? Disc 3 is less than 30 minutes, (unless there's surprise filler hopefully from the night before, 7/7) so that should knock the price down. The domestic US online price is $29.98, or round it out to $30, add a domestic shipping charge of $5.45 which brings the total to $35.43 and if you live in a state that collects an online sales tax, mine is 6%, for total of $37.55 for me. Very overpriced in my opinion. I'll have to skip dead.net and try somewhere else online, or best yet, like my local "bricks-n-mortar" record store.
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Cross-eyed, I mostly agree. I notice that Phish has box sets of 8 discs that sell for 37 bucks new, and of 7 discs that sell for the same price as this single Red Rocks show. Of course, to me the single Dead show is better :), but that aside, Phish also has the luxury of bringing in revenue through touring. But here's what I decided: Complete July 78 Box = 148.00 (with shipping and tax). But I'm buying that - and I'm not buying the stand-alone show, so I'll think of it as a "discount" - So really, the box is only costing me about 111.00 total. Bargain! I love (ir)rationalizations.
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2nd disc looks sick. Cannot wait for this one! Just in time for Summer '16.
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Was there hung with the band. Jerry and his Swiss Blade. Bill Walton and his crutches saying " right next to a NBA Championship these guys are right there." On the stage with the werewolf masks. Wakled around an empty red rocks at 1 am after the show, with Phil and the tank and mask he was carying saying to an empty ampitheather " listen it still sounds great." At the Marriot with the guys afterwards too. First time i met the guys. In the next six months got to see, sit and talk with Jerry a few times more. The more time I was with him the more I could tell he was getting lost with the "antidote " as he called it. By the end of 79 he was gone. Never was with him again. Went to many shows after 79 and after getting to know him a little during that period (mid 7/78 to sept 79) it was sad and still is to this very day to remember him and how "sweet" he was. The "antidote" took control of his life. At least we still have these great last shows. After this was Eygpt. The band held him up the next fifteen years. There were some flashes of that "sweetness". However to me they were never the same after 7/7&8/78. Just memories.
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such a shame to hear of the 'burden' jerry carried around ....touching ...... on a completely different note .... cheers to everyone that is giving bobby his credit for going off the deep end on so many frickin' occasions it's hard to believe donna got ALL the credit for that.
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This is obviously the standout show in the box, but how do the others stack up? 78 isn't my favorite year, so I'm on the fence.
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7/8 is on Amazon, so if you wait til it is released, there will be sellers selling it for around 20 bucks, plus shipping.
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1978 isn't one of my favorite years either, but a fellow poster convinced me to listen to 7/8/78 on Archive.org about 6 weeks ago, and I was sold on that performance. Granted the rest of the shows in the box can be subpar compared to 7/8/78 but I'm willing to take the chance based on that 1 performance.
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We need to start a campaign to make all vault shows available for individual purchase via digital download. Issuing limited availability CD's and box sets is bad for the environment and unaffordable for some Deadheads. There should be a library of shows from the archive available individually for download at a reasonable price. Phish has been doing this for years using Nugster and it works extremely well.
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The band was on the cusp of rolling out good new material. I think a monster Shakedown from December '78 or early '79 would be cool.
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Disc 3 is too short in my opinion, and as a standalone release for this price there should be filler from the previous night of July 7th.My filler pick: Scarlet> Fire, Dancing> Drums. A fade out at about the 3:00 minute mark.
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Red Rocks 8/30/1978: Stagger Lee *, I need a Miracle *, drums> If I had the World to Give* # > (either fade it or into Iko Iko)* first time played and # World to Give only played twice. and/or Red Rocks 8/31/1978 Shakedown Street* > Good Lovin', From the Heart of Me * * first time played. While these songs were just 'being born', and they were not fully formed/realized, these songs would be a nice treat for those purchasing the set to include the 'break-outs' of new materal. 'The truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.'
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...and I love it. However, I also know we all would appreciate a little filler on these disc 3's. Come on, PTB! It's not like there is a shortage of great music!
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One problem with the digital downloads as created and sold by the Grateful Dead is that, unlike the CDs, they insert a split second gap after each audio track so that it is impossible to listen to a seamless recording of a concert without a dropout after each song. When I first heard that on a download I purchased I thought the files were corrupted but when I asked about it Michael from dead.net investigated the complaint and wrote back: "I apologize, it looks like this is how the product was produced, we are not aware of a issue that we can correct. Thank you for contacting Dead.net customer service." In the case of that particular download I went through the tedious process of editing off the gap from the end of each track so I can listen to the music without dropouts but from now on I'm afraid it's CDs for me.
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You are right on. There are more than enough heads out there that will purchase individual shows. Make it happen! We don't need artwork( by the way much of the artwork on the subscription series has been sloppy,juvenile and below previous standards). We sure don't need some other deadhead(that happens to work for the GD) choosing what we listen to and then charging us an ass load of our meager income for it. Let us choose what we listen to and then take the freeze off the archive. Sorry, but the sterilized soundboards are not what I heard.
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7thWalker, I successfully downloaded the entire "Download Series" as they were released in 2005 & 2006 in the lossless FLAC format. Using Traders Little Helper to convert my FLAC files into .wav files and using RealPlayer to burn the .wav files to CD-R, I got a slightly better sound and no gaps between tracks as compared to the mp3 format. With mp3 you get a very minor fidelity issues and with my burning software, RealPlayer, there were gaps between the song tracks. I had also downloaded the 2 "Road Trips: Full Show" selections of 11/5/79 & 11/6/79. I believe you were describing mp3 to CD-R downloads and I, like you, don't like gaps between song tracks. One of the Download Series was purchased/downloaded in the mp3 format along with the FLAC counterpart of "Download Series Volume 8 - 12/10/73 Charlotte, N.C." All my other GD music is CD and DVD video.
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@ 7thWalker Maybe it's your player? I D/L all the FLAC releases and playback the FLACS or whatever I covert them to, and playback on Foobar easily with no gaps as well as my iPod and USB flash drive for car, etc... always seemless.
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MP3 is a term that actually refers to several data encoding methods. Some of them work in a way that results in a silence of maybe 1/10-1/3 of a second preceding the sound. This silence is composed of non-sound data (the "tag" info such as song title, etc.). With regular studio album tracks, this silence is a non-issue. In return for that silence, you get the song info displayed on your screen, sortability in iTunes, etc.For concert recordings, that micro-gap SUCKS! D/Ling FLAC will avoid that problem, due to different encoding methods. It also means that you are receiving audio that has not been comb-filtered to reduce the data package size. MP3 encoding uses a comb-filter to reduce the amount of data required to make the audio file. Great for D/L speed, search speed, etc, but not great for audio fidelity. I D/L lots of concert recordings and then edit the files on my computer before burning to CD. With the right software, those micro-silences are easy to visualize and snip. However, you still have sub-CD-quality ("lossy") audio. D/Ling FLAC means much longer D/L times and more Hard Drive space useage, but you get CD quality ("lossless") sound. Even if you feel (like I do) that 320k MP3s sound fine, if you burn them to CDR as audio files and then your buddy uses that CDr to make MP3s, he has double-filtered the audio and that definately degrades the sound... I D/L FLAC, edit that, burn CDrs, then convert some of the FLACs to MP3s for my iTunes. P.S. I have run into some FLAC D/Ls that do have the front-end micro-silences. It is my opinion that these files were made from MP3s. I also believe that some MP3 playback systems are smart enough to inaudibly skip over those front-end gaps.
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anyone out there think dave stretched it just a little bit calling this show one of the best shows ever ?
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Didn't anyone hand you a cup of Kool Ade?Didn't you drink it? DL2 is either too in love with TGD to have any trustworthy critical faculties, or he is a shill and a huckster. There is no available data to examine on the issue, so feel free to suppose what you will. I think the fact that he gets paid by an organization that seeks to profit from the sale of GD music points to the shill/huckster choice. YMMV.
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that Dave L. is a deadhead first and foremost and that he truly is enthused about the releases that he works on. I also would assume that since Dave's Picks are his selections from the best stuff available then they should be worth the hype. HOWEVER, not everything released deserves to be labelled "among the best shows ever". Does anyone else think that phrase gets tossed around a lot?
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I remember a period 10 years ago, when it was questionable if we would even see future releases. With the Archive and file-sharing programs cutting into GD sales, the boys leased the Vault to Rhino, shut down the Archive (briefly), and there was a 14 month period with ZERO physical GD releases. From November 2005 (Fillmore West 1969) and January 2007 (Live at Cow Palace), there was nothing, not even a whisper. Then slowly, things started trickling out of the Vault. First we got single-show multitrack stuff (12/31/76 and 2/19/71), then DL2 convinced Rhino to try archival 2-track shows again. RT1.1 was hardly the best, but things got better as DL2 narrowed his focus. Eventually, we got back to the warts-and-all spirit and complete show of Dick's Picks with the later RTs and then with Dave's Picks. Now we're getting 4 complete shows a year, plus boxes and muti-trakc stuff, at a pace that rivals the CD heyday of the late 90s/early 2000s. I credit DL2 with selecting shows and presenting ideas to Rhino that preserved the Archival Series. Not only that, he slowly advanced box sets, showing that there is a market for even these behemoth 80-disc boxes. Those would never have happened without DL2. Call me crazy for thinking that he deserves our gratitude, rather than being called a shill.
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Gotta say, I can't argue with anything you said there. All true and correct. But somehow none of it really works for me anymore. The last time it did was the Road Trips Vol2 -end years. Good balance of money and marketing to music in my opinion. After that there's much more flash in the mix, big dollar amounts, and hype/pressure ("best ever"/"limited limited limited"!). I guess that's what it takes to drive sales to levels that allow the funding of this volume of releases. But I can't make my peace with that. Can still get off on the music, but don't feel any warmer to DL2 and GDM than I do to, say, my bank. And I consistently find more pleasure in listening to D/Ls than my GDM purchases. Really hoping DaP18, much of which I have in poor-sounding D/Ls already, and the 7/78 box, of which I already have both RR shows in great quality, will rekindle the old flame. I am gonna be buying GDM releases whether I like it or not, so I'd really rather like it!
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If you can't make your peace with the limited editions, even though they're required to drive sales to make this feasible, how does that make DL2 a shill? It sounds like he's doing the right thing. I don't care for pins and books and other accessories with my boxes either, but as long as the music is good and well priced (only Formerly the Warlocks was overpriced IMHO), why should I care about the marketing? If you can't enjoy great sounding shows because they're limited, that is your (unfortunate) issue. I haven't found DL2 to be that hyperbolic, and he's certainly less so than his predecessor. Latvala was the undisputed king of hyperbole. Usually, when Dave describes a show as "one of the best", it's "of that era", or "of that year". You're allowed to disagree of course, but that's not much of a stretch. When he talks about a show as "one of the best shows ever" it's usually regarding something like 8/27/72 or 7/8/78, where it is, again, a reasonable description.
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for anything they put out. I have said that before and it bears repeating. We are SO lucky to still be getting these releases. If i'm not into a particular release or think it's too expensive I just won't buy it. Problem solved. DL and company are doing a fantastic job and I salute their efforts. I can't wait to get this box set. It was a no brainer for me. I have loved these 2 red rocks shows for a long time and will be super happy to have them in pristine condition along with the 3 returned Betty's. Keep up the good work Dave! Thanks for what you do for the fans!
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I can understand some folks getting suspicious of "one of the best shows ever" but when maybe only 300-500 of 2,400 or so shows worthy to release, it's kinda fitting...
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I don't have much desire for any Dead music releases. I already had at least 80% of everything they released, most of which have great sound.We desperately need live videos of shows throughout the years. They have been gone over 20 years and before we original heads literally die off, we deserve quality live shows. Would you know how I can access live recordings of Dead & Co.? Thanks, David
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We need quality live shows on video.I have more music on CD of the Dead and subsequent off shoots, that I couldn't possibly listen to it all. We need videos. I am looking to download Dead & Co. Any help would be appreciated. David
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