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    July 1978: The Complete Recordings

    What's Inside:

    • Five Complete Shows on 12 discs
    • 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium: Kansas City, MO
    • 7/3/78 St. Paul Civic Center Arena: St. Paul, MN
    • 7/5/78 Omaha Civic Auditorium: Omaha, NE
    • 7/7/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
    • 7/8/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope
    Intro and show-by-show liner notes by Nicholas Meriwether
    Producer's Note by David Lemieux
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
    Release Date: May 13, 2016

    Announcing July 1978: The Complete Recordings

    We’re pleased to announce JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, five incredible unreleased shows and the first official release from the long-lost tapes, recently returned to the Grateful Dead’s vault. Follow the Dead on a sonic journey through a superb selection of settings, an often epic adventure that finds them winning over Willie and Waylon fans in Kansas City, conjuring charisma in Omaha, and elevating the Red Rocks beyond their already spiritual planes. With five distinct performances painting the masterpiece of 1978, Betty Cantor-Jackson's always-pristine soundboard recordings, and the "hall-of-fame pedigree" of the Dead's first-ever shows at the legendary Red Rocks Amphitheatre, this is one release that far exceeds excellence in music, sound quality, and rarity.

    Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS includes Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, MO (7/1/78), St. Paul Civic Center, St. Paul, MN (7/3/78), Omaha Civic Auditorium, Omaha, NE (7/5/78), and Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison CO (7/7/78 and 7/8/78) - all of the performances in this collection are drawn from the band’s master soundboard recordings, each newly mastered by Jeffrey Norman. The set also features original artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope (D.C. and Marvel comics) and in-depth liner notes written by Nick Meriwether (Grateful Dead Archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz), as well as a producer’s note from producer David Lemieux.

    Due May 13th, we anticipate that this extraordinary box will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here.

    Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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  • greeknik
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    Looks like a very interesting set. Good time for the band. But I'm still waiting for the REAL DEAL: The box sets of TEXAS '72 and WINTERLAND '74 (Oct.)!
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    Bold prediction this will sell out after it's been released not sure if a lot alot of people will lay out the $$$ for this set in these hard times...You know they did a lot of 1989 and 1990 releases (a lot of 1990) otherwise they weren't that good although from the 30 tips box set the years they put out shows they were pretty good but I don't think you'll ever see a 1972 release again a whole entire tour..not just a leg...you can't say what will come...I think a lot of us swore we'd see a leg of 1980 shows more spedifically the acoustic/electric sets but my intellect tells me we won't ever see that happen as it would've happened already...unless those tapes haven't surfaced yet maybe someone will clean out their cellar one day and find soundboards...this is a great find this 1978 box set more spedifically the red rocks shows...but we'll see what happens in the future but you can't be unhappy with the progress of releases...we are definitely not hungry for more material but are left wondering what could be next...like the next dave's pick will be...some people already know.
  • lowspark75
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    This is a very exciting box set for several obvious reasons. The legendary Red Rocks show and the implications of lost Betty Boards being returned to the vault. I've never heard any of these July '78 shows, so I'm really into this release. The question will be if I manage to fund a purchase before it's sold out. I definitely agree that a May '77 part 2 would make perfect sense for it's 40th anniversary next year, assuming those tapes can also get or have already been returned. However, I would probably be just as excited to see a 5/9/77 DaP 20 to round off the year. So... whatever. Just keep the hits coming.
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    Last I checked the count of 60s & 70s vs. 80s & 90s last year was Dead even last year. 30 Trips had 17 shows from the 80s & 90s, while the 60s & 70s had 13 in that set (add the four Dave's Picks from last year and you get 17 from the 60s & 70s). There is no problem, just petulant children. 80s/90s beggars - put your bowls away.
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    I get the complaint about Dave shutting out the 80's/90's (and '66-'68). I share it. But with the Bettys back on board, I'd expect a slew of new '71-'78 stuff. Big tent, legendary type shows. Mickey's last show, the first of the ESP run (2/18/71). Kezar '73. Cornell & Buffalo '77. Summer '76. Fall '73. And Red Rocks '78 belongs in that pantheon. Especially 7/8/78. Point being, a release of 7/8/78 isn't the proper time to complain about the lack of 80's releases. Do that when we have an 'average' show from the '69-'78 era, not a legendary one. Would I like some more '89, '85, '87? Yes. Or even '88/'80? Yes. '66-'68? Yes. Even '91 or '81. ('90 is pretty well represented). But when 7/8/78 comes out, I'm not complaining, I'm celebrating. This is as good as the GD gets.
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    Appreciate the kind words on my recollections. Thanks.....
    A while back I reread some books I have regarding the Dead, and tucked into one book, I found this quote from Jerry "I thought that maybe this idea of transforming principle has something to do with it. Because when we get onstage, what we really want to happen is, we want to be transformed from ordinary players into extraordinary ones, like forces of larger consciousness. And the audience wants to be transformed from whatever ordinary reality they may be, into something a little wider, something that enlarges them. So maybe it's the notion of transformation, seat of the pants shamanism, that has something to do with why the Grateful Dead keeps pulling them in. Maybe that is what keeps the audience coming back for and what keeps it fascinating for us too." So, I still can't recall everything that Jerry and I talked about that February morning almost 4 decades ago, but in a microcosm, it involved that same synergistic effect; I was so excited to talk to him, Jerry became jazzed to talk about art and symbols/mysticism (probably a break for him having to talk about the Dead & music, etc.), and while sharing our conversation, our interaction took on its own power. It took on it's own moment. I think that is what it was like when we joined with the Dead at those shows, their pouring out this unfathomable energy in that moment. And us in the audience rising in response with our collective surge pushing energy back to the Dead, which then propelled them to greater heights of aural adventure. Maybe I am just rambling on,.. but you know that the Grateful Dead did often get that 'dragon' off the ground, and into flight, with us all then levitating in the Dead's tow/draft. We were part that remarkable mixture of music + magic + visuals + adventure = alchemy. Then as we would watch/listen, with our mouths agape, as each of the Dead would tease, the improvisation, their 'call and response', Jerry's cascading leads ('catch me if you can'), Bobby's shimmering rhythm guitar, Phil's bass runs/bombs (that changed the very atmospheric pressure), Keith's keyboard interplay, Billy and Mickey's primal percussion then mutating into complex and compelling syncopation, urging and propelling the band further... and the bard Hunter's lyrics, that poetry, those revelations,...that song...and we would roar and exhort the Dead and pour that fervor into our tribal stomp and collective howl. And suddenly the moment slows and extends and everything becomes quite still, and that voice "nothing you can hold for very long..." .....And then all of us stumble out into that crystalline cool evening. Sad eyes, heads shaking, and smiles which alternated between satiation and longing for more. The truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
  • Vguy72
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    That 7.7 pre-drumz list....
    ....sounds interesting. Cold Rain, BIODTL, Scarlet -> Fire, Dancin -> Drumz. Had to read that twice before I got it....
  • Shafts Of Lavender
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    I'm real excited for this release and pre-ordered immediately. I'm most looking forward to the 7/1 show, I wonder how the country fans reacted to Terrapin. I think this will be the only box set of the year despite the curiously early release date because people are still recovering from the massively expensive (and massively great) year 2015 was. The last digital 30 trips release just barely sold out and in one of Dave's earlier chats this year he said it wouldnt be an overwhelming year box set wise. That being said, I'd be all in for a fall box set....
  • Oroboros
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    No wilfredtjones, not in Omaha, it was that 77-78 NYE show in
    San Francisco at the Winterland, where I gifted the 'dragon' to Jerry. And then a month or so later I got to talk with him after that monster Madison Show (February of 78). Omaha was that summer. If I could repeat myself for those who haven't heard this before (my 3 sons are groaning loudly, they have heard this tale so many times), but here he (I) goes again.....many years ago, in a galaxy far far away, called Nebraska........ Back in 1977, my girlfriend (now wife), myself, and two buddies decided to road-trip from Lincoln Nebraska to the Winterland for the New Year's Eve run of shows in San Francisco. I toted along with us a clay sculpture that I had made the prior year. It was a one and 1/2 foot (in circumference) dragon that was biting/consuming it's own tail. I had 'scraffitto' (carved designs) into the entire beast's 'hide' and then it was fired and stained. It was the biggest piece of clay sculpture that I have ever made. And I thought it would be fun to give it to the band on New Years. So away we go, get to the venue and secured tickets for the run (12/27-29-30-31-77). The shows were unbefuckinliveable and Winterland was such a great hall. But on the 31st, we were sitting on the sidewalk waiting for the doors to open, talking and watching the circus, ready to hurry and get in for the 'activities' ie. freak volleyball and Bill Graham was going to show us movies (Ray Bradbury's Illustrated Man and the original Beatles Magical Mystery tour) before that evening's show. I thought "I better try to unload the dragon aka 'Oroboros' now, it's heavy and I don't want to try to talk my way though the front gate with it." I spied a door that said 'Backstage' and began knocking on the door. No answer. The line of people on the side walk started getting up and moving toward the entrance. Banged even harder thinking "I've got to get this dragon in there so I can go in the front and join in before the show", and as I pounded harder, the door yanks open so hard that it yanks me into the doorway. This doorway is immediately filled with a gigantic black man in a red event t-shirt, who puts his hand on my chest and leans forward and bellows "WHAT DO YOU WANT?" Startled, I held out the dragon with both hands and stuttered "to give this to the band". The giant took it in his immense hand and his face curls into a grin as he held it closer to inspect it and I watched my dragon shrink to the size of a key chain. He exclaimed "Wow, what is this, I'd like one" and I explained "it's an oroboros and that is the only one there is." He grinned and said "Cool, who do you want me to give it to?" and I said "to Garcia, give it to Jerry Garcia." The giant disappeared as quickly as he appeared and the door slammed shut like the the first time Dorothy tried to get into the Emerald City in the Wizard of Oz. So, I happily gain entrance to the show and needless to say, it was something, 'freak volleyball' followed by the movies, Graham's copy of Bradbury's 'Illustrated Man' followed by a 16 mm Beatles "Magical Mystery Tour". The colorful/wonderful crowd, 'rainbow' Rose with an eyedropper of liquid party favor "just one dollar per drop. On your tongue or for the adventurous, a drop in your eye". Oh, and when each person walked through the entrance the staff handed us a piece of paper that had a message about a "Good things come to those who wait, surprise at midnight" with steal your face logo. When you entered Winterland, you could go into the big 'hall' surrounded on all sides by an elevated balcony, (with theater seats). You could also go into a bar, which played some black and white videos on a 'big screen' taken from pro shots of the Winterland stage when Hendrix or Airplane or etc played. Very entertaining on many levels. Hey, the New Riders of the Purple Sage are starting, got to get in there, the sound is loud and they are rocking the house. Anticipation was high and the Dead came out for the first set. Our party favors are now starting to engage..., things began to sparkle, and the old Winterland venue takes notice, and her walls start to sweat and, then to sway with the strains of familiar music as the Dead coax this old hall to dance with us all. This is such a delight, I know the vista cruiser is engaged and then I notice when the house lights went down, and the stage lights went dark in between songs, then I saw it. On top of a monitor, in between Billy and Mickey, there was a flame, it was a white candle sitting in front of a dragon consuming it's tail. It was Oroboros, ON STAGE WITH THE DEAD! I watched as Jerry walked over and lit a cigarette off the candle by the beast. They took a break and the surprise for the second half was Uncle BoBo (as Bobby liked to call Graham) dressed up as Uncle Sam on a motorcycle sliding down on a cable suspended high from the back of the hall to the stage. They put spotlights on him as he approached the stage and it was hilarious. Because as Graham came to the stage, the weight of the bike and BoBo was too much and the stage hands had to rush out and drag him onstage and then to the explosion of Sugar Mag, complete with dropping balloons and babies girl and boy New Years dancing at the each edge of the stage. I was 'sittin' on top of the world (Dead reference intended). What a night!! If you pull up 'YouTube', NYE show 1977- Fire on the Mountain video, right at the end of Fire on the Mountain, the camera does zoom in on the 'oroboros' for a couple of seconds. RDevil here on Deadnet found that 'view' and clued me into it. From then on my 3 sons knew I wasn't bullshittin' because I showed it to them! Anyway, what a treat that run in 1977 was. At many levels, the return of China Cat-Rider, my being able to 'gift' our band, who poured out so much to us. But unknown to me, the best would be yet to come. We walked out into the cool San Francisco early morning and drove through the fog back to Nebraska. This is not the end of the tale. Fast forward to another road trip to Madison, Wisc. on 2-3-78. The Dead were on a roll and it was really a killer show. That Cold Rain and snow to start and the tremendous second half with Estimated>Eyes>Wheel (if I recall correctly). Disparage 1978 at your own risk. I was at Windterland and other shows in 1977 and still treasure those 78 shows I was lucky enough to attend. The next morning before I left the hotel, I got a wild hair and called the front desk and asked "Could I have Jerry Garcia's room please?" and the phone rang and Jerry answered! I said "Hey, I'm the guy that brought the dragon to the New Year's show" and Garcia said "Meet you in the coffee shop in 20 minutes". I couldn't believe what was happening but stumbled into the coffee shop at the appointed time and looked around and saw Jerry Garcia seated at a table with a ravishingly beautiful raven-haired gypsy woman. I walked over and introduced myself, and 'shook the hand, that shook the hand, of PT Barnum and Charlie Chan'. Jerry beamed that smile and gestured and said "sit down, man". He asked me "How did you fire that dragon so that it didn't explode in the kiln?" and I explained how I had cut it in half and hollowed it out and then joined it back together. I told him how I had used a guitar string to 'halve it" and we locked eyes at that moment and he burst into laughter and I said "Ironic, huh?" and Jerry quipped "No, man that makes perfect sense." And then we laughed some more. Then the gypsy/beauty said "where are you from?" and I replied Nebraska. And she shot Garcia a glance and stated "he came all the way up here from Nebraska to see the band!" To which Jerry shrugged his shoulders and retorted "we didn't ask him to come" and looked at me and we both howled with laughter again. No deadhead was she. We talked more about art and the dragon and I didn't know at that time of Garcia's interest and practice in art (this kind anyway). He was completely engaged in the topic of art, but quick witted with 'turn on a dime' twists, turns, and little commentaries on a variety of topics. Jerry was also focused on listening, not acting like he was the important one, giving me time and locked in on our discussion and talking about our shared interests. The gypsy woman frowned in disbelief as she asked me "You went out to San Francisco for New Years and then came to Wisconsin" and I said 'yes' and then I turned to Garcia and asked him "Why don't you bring the circus back to Lincoln, Nebraska?" He quickly replied "You mean to Perishing Auditorium?" And I corrected him "No, it is Pershing Auditorium, after the army general" and he quickly retorted "No man, it was perishing, really!" And we both burst out laughing again. At that Lincoln, Ne. Dead show on 2-26-73, there were a bunch of drunk frat boys yelling 'boogie, boogie" at the top of their lungs.., but that show is top-notch! Anyway, I asked Garcia "could you bring the Dead back to Nebraska" and Jerry grinned that Cheshire cat grin and said "who knows?" I took my leave (their breakfast arrived) and drove home. Then that summer the Dead came back to Omaha, Ne. on 7-5-78, and I taped them with my NAK 550 in FOB, and followed them to their/my first Red Rocks shows. What a run! So that is my story, Jerry Garcia was totally gracious, engaging, enthusiastic, and kind to a deadhead who approached him at one moment in time. I know, I repeat myself, such is my lot in life at this juncture, but thought I would 'complete the circle' of this story. See furthur down the thread for my account of these shows when Jerry did bring the boys back to NE (after KC and St. Paul) and then their (and my) maiden voyage at Red Rocks. I don't recall if I ever shared that Bob Weir had taken to wearing a full-head Werewolf mask when the band came out to encore with Werewolves of London. I remember seeing that mask in Chicago, and several other 1978 shows, St. Paul? Red Rocks? It was hilarious as he struggled to see/play/sing and the other guys goofing off him (Kinda like the boys in masks playing Big Boss Man cica 1972 in Europe). Not easy to do, but he was a pretty funny visual and really got us all into howling 'aaahoooooo' back to the band and Bobby. Hey Deadicated, wasn't Bobby wearing that mask in St. Paul? Didn't someone shoot off a firecracker in the hall during that show? Or maybe I just had a synapse....;o} Anyway, sorry for the repeat, but 'looks like the old man is getting on'.. And may you all get those shows you want and/or attended released soon complete with the Plantagenet treatment/process in the near future! This set shows it obviously CAN happen. I am taken aback. "It ain't what I don't know that gets me into trouble, it is what I know for sure, that ain't so". -Mark Twain
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    I've never met anybody. Once walking in NYC with a group, everyone turned around looking and I was like, "what?",,, everybody was that was Dave Winfield. I think that was the name big baseball player in the day. Walked right past him, never saw him. Closest I've ever came to meeting a celeb.
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July 1978: The Complete Recordings

What's Inside:

• Five Complete Shows on 12 discs
• 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium: Kansas City, MO
• 7/3/78 St. Paul Civic Center Arena: St. Paul, MN
• 7/5/78 Omaha Civic Auditorium: Omaha, NE
• 7/7/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
• 7/8/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope
Intro and show-by-show liner notes by Nicholas Meriwether
Producer's Note by David Lemieux
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
Release Date: May 13, 2016

Announcing July 1978: The Complete Recordings

We’re pleased to announce JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, five incredible unreleased shows and the first official release from the long-lost tapes, recently returned to the Grateful Dead’s vault. Follow the Dead on a sonic journey through a superb selection of settings, an often epic adventure that finds them winning over Willie and Waylon fans in Kansas City, conjuring charisma in Omaha, and elevating the Red Rocks beyond their already spiritual planes. With five distinct performances painting the masterpiece of 1978, Betty Cantor-Jackson's always-pristine soundboard recordings, and the "hall-of-fame pedigree" of the Dead's first-ever shows at the legendary Red Rocks Amphitheatre, this is one release that far exceeds excellence in music, sound quality, and rarity.

Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS includes Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, MO (7/1/78), St. Paul Civic Center, St. Paul, MN (7/3/78), Omaha Civic Auditorium, Omaha, NE (7/5/78), and Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison CO (7/7/78 and 7/8/78) - all of the performances in this collection are drawn from the band’s master soundboard recordings, each newly mastered by Jeffrey Norman. The set also features original artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope (D.C. and Marvel comics) and in-depth liner notes written by Nick Meriwether (Grateful Dead Archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz), as well as a producer’s note from producer David Lemieux.

Due May 13th, we anticipate that this extraordinary box will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here.

Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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re Doors memories: I don't remember any awful Jim drunken escapades, but then I don't remember a whole lot of anything. I was 16-18 when I saw them, and completely sober. I wouldn't have known about thin sound as I had nothing to compare to. Don't remember going to any other notable concerts back then. Upon further research, I was at 5/11/68 and 5/8/70 in Detroit and 2/15/70 in Chicago. 11/20/71 and 8/14/72 (or 9/3/72) in Detroit post-Jim. Gotta dig through the ticket stubs... Apparently the 5/8/70 was the longest Doors concert ever.
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Canada is in America, North America that is, along with the USA. That's why it the United States OF America and the another part of it is called Canada. I'd say the American moniker fits them well as they dealt with song content that encompassed wide swaths of American history and themes not exclusive to the United States.
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I saw them at the Isle of Wight Festival in 1970 and I did not enjoy it one bit. That said, I was not a fan of the band. I had listened extensively to their albums as my brother had them all, but had never really got into them. Their performance on the Isle of Wight reinforced my opinion that they had little to offer. I did subsequently make the effort to visit Jim Morrison's grave in Paris, but only because I was staying nearby.
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I have to throw out Van Halen as one of the all time great American bands. From the classic Van Halen I to 1984 there is hardly a bad tune on any of those studio albums. You also can't under estimate their superb musicianship or good times they brought to the rock and roll world.
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Some names I haven't seen for your consideration Frank Zappa, Talking Heads, Butthole Surfers, NIN...
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I would like to see a slipcase with 2 components, a hardcover containing the discs and a second with the essays, also hardcover. Along the lines of the SSDD limited but with a hardcover essay book
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Listening to “THE BOX” this morning. 1978 (which was great) and onto 1979 and the first thing I hear is plink, plink, plink, plink, plink, and more plink.Did Brent think the Flock of Seagulls Casio was appropriate for Jack Straw, Candyman, Me and My Uncle, Big River? He did really improve through the years but this 79 is a tough listen and I like 79 Dead.
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Working my way through the box in sequence, I was horrified when I got to 1979. All the energy seemed to have drained out of the band and yep, there was the Toys-R-Us piano to contend with. Things gradually got better through the '80s but they never got back to pre-'79 levels. I preferred the '90s shows to the '80s shows, with '79 being the low point of the whole box. But then again, I don't think any line-up was as good as the "Magnificent Seven" from the late '60s.
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Yeah, this ruins what would be some otherwise enjoyable shows for me. I agree about the 90s stuff in the box too - better than 80s because it's without Plinko. I wish it didn't bother me, and I revisit this material every 6 months or so. His keys were cool to my ears when he was doing Feel Like A Stranger on DaP 8, and several songs on Nassau and Dead Set. I'm not a keyboard effionado, but I believe from what I've read on this board, it's the moog or polymoog as well as the Hammond B3 organ that make the sounds my ears prefer, and I'm not sure what keyboard makes the skin crawling tinky-tonk, perhaps the Fisher Price 420. I like the notes he plays, he's a talented musician. I blame Jerry, perhaps unfairly, for allowing this into their soundscape. Maybe Phil and Bobby deserve some of the constructive criticism, I just always got the impression that Jerry was the unsung leader and decision maker. Also can't deal with Brent's vocals as time went on. His voice was less abrasive to my ears early on, but as Jerry began to falter in the 80s, Brent moved into a more involved role, and soon all old songs were marred (to my ears). Everyone talks about Jerry's voice declining, and Bobby screaming the vocals, not singing them in the 80s, but I hear a degradation in Brent's singing voice too by '87, which I don't hear in the early 80s. Put all that together, and there's no question in my ears, which period was "better". I do enjoy some of the stuff that was written and performed during the Brent years, but even a great tune like Feel Like A Stranger was hurt by the Plinko keyboards. I will keep trying though. There are a couple of very loud 80s fans who swear by it often. I'm just hoping the reason isn't a lack of 70s exposure.
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whole heartedly agree. George Clinton has done more for American music than almost anyone I can think of. Still going strong too. As a band, Pfunk has always been in the business of blowing minds on stage. Don't miss them if they come around
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i had my virgin listen to 9/4/79 yesterday. the compendium reviewer is Brian Dyke, who as usual is blah. do _not_ pay attention to that guy. Have you ever heard the jam out of He's Gone, which then goes into an insane Drums? Aye, bruddah, magnificent.
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I was rather enjoying that trip, its my current listen. Lots of new energy and new ideas floating around. ..whats.. hey somebody just crushed my buzz. Like seeds in weed I say..
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Secret Earth: Yellowstone Super Volcano is on the History channel as I write this. Thought I would add since we were talking about Rainier and Yellowstone blowing their tops recently. Fire on the Mountain...
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With well over 30 years of listening to the Dead, and having collected literally thousands upon thousands of hours from every era of them, including virtually every long time favorite shows, I find myself preferring the '80's more than ever. I rather enjoy the sound of the chime of the modified Fender Roades Brent played predominantly between '79 and '81. I would agree that he grew more into the band with each passing year where Keith pretty much fell into steady decline post retirement. During the first couple of years of the bands existence, Pigpens keyboard sound of choice was pretty cheesy to my ears where he sounded like he was playing a roller skating rink keyboard. I used to pan Bruce's accordion but grew to like it more as time has went on. Vince's keyboard sounds were often over-processed to my ears though by '92 he was using more piano and organ patches. Lack of exposure to the '70's? Nope. Been there....done that. Will certainly go there again when I feel the urge to as I like all era's. I just like the '80's more.
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if anything "ruins" any GD for you, then you're doing it wrong. Agree that Brent's choice of keys was less-than-ideal, but 10/27/79 is a HOT show. My issues with Brent have more to do with his song-writing, and less than his skills as a keyboardist/vocalist. The plinky keys are gone by 1984 or so, so I can deal with it.
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I agree in every aspect. First off, it's all picking nits. If something 'ruins' it for you (Donna screams, Bobby screams, missed lyrics, Pigpen raps, Brent's plinky keys, etc) then you ARE doing it wrong. Yes, no doubt, Brent could be a tad too bitter sometimes (Never Trust a Woman, Don't Need Love, Tons of Steel). But he did come up with a couple of pretty good non-bitter songs: We Can Run, Easy to Love You, I Will Take You Home, even Far From Me and Just A Little Light weren't bad. And all the bitter ones weren't bad (Blow Away). On the '79 Trip. I, too don't really like the plinky keys, but the show it still hot.
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Are we limiting it to rock? I mean, Jazz/R&B/Funk & Soul should get a shout, yes? James Brown, Miles Davis, B.B. King, George Clinton, Sly & the Family Stone, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, The Meters. Not to mention the rest of Motown (Supremes, Jacksons, Temps, Tops, Smokey Robinson, Commodores) and more Jazz & Blues luminaries. If we are sticking to rock, I applaud the Velvet Uderground mention. Crosby, Stills, & Nash also probably deserve a shout (is there a Canadian there?). Also Jimi Hendrix. But Bob Dylan has to top them all, yes? And if folk/pop is included, Paul Simon deserves a mention.
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Yes to all of those and then the ones weve forgotten. But let's not forget about Neil Young if you're mentioning CSN...he was Canadian after all :)
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Did you say 9/4/79?!?!?!?! Great show! That was the opening night of a three night MSG NYC September 1979 run -- and what a great three-night-stand it was. Brent's first MSG show. Brent was making his big time/league debut and The GD slayed the dragon those nights. These shows deserve a mini box treatment or folded into a late 79 box. . .. Just sayin'. Dave. . ..
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Thanks! I do like The Doors and have a number of Bright Midnight live cds. That Jimbo what a character! I do agree with the poster who said that with Morrison Hotel and LA Woman The Doors were just hitting their stride and if Jim had lived and gotten healthier than they would have had a number of equally good future LPs. I know that they were planning on adding Jerry Schef on bass for a more professional future tour. Oh the What Ifs of musical history? I have a Doors boot with Bret Scalions on vocals and they sound great even on more complicated numbers like The Soft Parade and the LA Woman just smokes. My high school math teacher Ms. C had seen them and loved them.
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The Red Rocks shows from Aug 12 and McNichols Aug 13 are monster '79 shows, but the plink in the 30 Trips box -- encountered on a late night drive out of the foothills canyons here along the Front Range of Colorado after listening to the 1971 selection - led me to immediately shelve it in favor of something more appealing to the ears. So, yeah, some '79 shows will eventually make it to official release and the two I cited might be contenders. The first night, Aug 12, we blazed mightily and the band was super tight, even searing. The next night, Aug 13, remains emblazoned on my mind. My girlfriend and I both dropped a considerable dose and just as the band came on stage, she had to go to the bathroom! So I accompanied her and, just before she enters the ladies room she turns to me with near-fear on her face. "You'll be right here when I come out, r-r-right?" "If it takes forever, darling," I replied, somewhat unsure what the next ten minutes would bring. We made our way back onto the floor of the arena and to our row and scooted into our seats -- actually, everyone was standing on their seats -- and Bobby said something like, "It may do you some good to know that it's raining like hell outside," the crowd erupted (so glad to not be left out in the pouring rain) and just then Phil & Co unleashed the bomb that started a monstrous version of "Shakedown Street." Next thing we know, we're tripping our (her) tits off, but safe in a groovy row with our pals and the band played on. To sum up, plinking bad, no-plink '79 good.
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I come back from an unplugged trip to Florida to find this! Didn't run into the erstwhile Florida Bob though, I am worried about that very cool fellow. As for the box - Whoo hoo! Looks to me from the video that they'll be getting Betty Boards back in drips and drabs, which is great I guess. Never thought of that option (versus all or nothing). The Doors: I always loved them, though I seldom listen today. I see what Jerry means I guess, but it seems harsh and surprisingly closed minded. I knew a classical guitar player in college (a teacher), and I asked him if he liked any rock guitarists. I expected Hendrix or one of the usual suspects, but he said Robbie Krieger. Then he played a bunch of Doors tunes on his classical guitar and I went, "oh wow!" Underrated guitar player. For those who want just one Doors album, might I suggest the recently re-issued "Weird Scenes Inside the Goldmine" compilation. I've had the album since 1985 or so - one of those rare compilations that works as a cohesive "album" on it's own (think "Legend" by Marley). Brilliant compilation album. American Rock Bands: Great calls. As I read through the forum to catch up, I found myself saying "What about Van Halen (yes, up to "1984"), REM, the Ramones? And voila, you guys got to 'em. I would add other contenders too - Nirvana, Guns and Roses (Appetite alone vaunts them into some rarefied air), Sonic Youth, Uncle Tupelo/Wilco. And, for me, hands down, the winner of "Best American STUDIO Band" would be: Steely Dan. (Personally, I would put the Mother Hips up there too, but they aren't popular enough to reach "great" status). Creedence Clearwater and Tom Petty are pretty quintessentially American too... Plinky keys: Count me among those who like them. My favorite Brent years are actually 79-81 in part for that reason. Whereas his piano sound of the late-80s sounds like something that wants to sound like a piano, but doesn't quite (it sounds ersatz to me). Deadegad, how about a Sep 79 box? :)
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Yeah, I left Neil off because I know he's Canadian. If we are going to talk American rock, I'd also nominate Talking Heads.
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Gotta hear the rest of that run. 79...gotta love 79 says (looks like) rainman Dave's chats are...interesting. incredible hottest really incredible a duck shows incredible. Love you Dave. I want your gig.
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I guess Spinal Tap is completely out then...
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Yes I agree with the disturbing plinky tone reference but the 79 Trip is still fantastic. The He's Gone into the Other One sequence is off the charts. I've completed 66 through 79. Next up the 80's. My expectations are somewhat low so I can hopefully be pleasantly surprised with those trips. American Bands: The Doors were indeed remarkable. Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers are an American treasure. Glad someone mentioned Van Halen, great party music. I am referring to the David Lee Roth years. Though Jerry way back when did not think too much of EVH in an interview. I guess he spawned a lot of guitarists that were more into guitar stunts or gymnastics than playing & writing great songs. Fogerty sure wrote plenty of great timeless CCR songs over the years as well. On the boogie rock/blues side ZZ top & Canned Heat deserve a nod here. Santana, The Meters & Little Feat sure could lay down grooves. For the alternative scene the Meat Puppets, Dinosaur Jr & Yo La Tengo stand out. As far as newer bands Phish & even Moe on the jam side. Lastly, Spoon out of Austin Texas are worth checking out.
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Arthur Lee's various incarnations of Love are worthy of consideration. Seeing them at small clubs in Hollywood in '66-67 was an unforgettable experience. All this talk about The Doors has helped uncross some synapses. In late '66 I once helped drive equipment for my town's local band, the New Generation. It was one Saturday night in early December and they were playing with two other bands at the Sea Witch. https://www.facebook.com/SeaWitchSunsetStrip As I drove into the small parking lot in back there was a white van blocking my way. Written on the side doors of the van was The Doors. I yelled at the driver to get the fuck out of my way so I could help unload the equipment. He did. After the show we were all invited to that other band's producer's place up in the Hollywood Hills. We had taken acid and were sitting around in the kitchen. Being a sixteen year old of no musical import and with hair that conformed with the dress code of my rightwing high school (hair not touching the ears or collar) I was not of any particular interest to the ladies there. This did not do my sense of confidence and raging hormones any good at all. Someone put an acetate of an album that was due to be released the next week. That was the first time I heard The Doors debut album. I got home around dawn, picked up the Sunday newspaper and brought it in just as my very straight parents were waking up. I lucked out as it made it look like I had gotten up just before them and had not been out all night. As you have probably figured out by now that guy I had yelled at to move the van - Jim Morrison
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Not forgetting Lynyrd Skynyrd, Mountain, Canned Heat, Butterfield Blues Band, & Byrds, although I've not played much of this lately due to the GD taking listening precedence. Still not in any great hurry to splurge out my hard earned dosh on the latest GD vinyl offings, the prices being asked for with import fees plus postage to the UK just make me wince, shame really because I love my Vinyl, it's just as well I have them as CD's already available in Boxzilla. One day I will get them when they are offered at a sensible price, (Second Hand or Job Lot, or Overstocks)
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It's great to see "old" guard bands like The ALLMAN BROS, THE BYRDS, CCR, AND PAUL BUTTERFIELD BLUES BAND called out for great American Band even if CAPTAIN BEEFHEART is passed over. It gives my heart great joy to see PATTI SMITH GROUP, MEAT PUPPETS, YO LA TENGO, SONIC YOUTH, and DINOSAUR JR. called out as well.
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Thank you, Direwulf for addressing something that aggravates me to no end. YES, Canada is in America!I get that common use is part of language and I know what people usually mean when they say, "American." Not sure why I can't just let it go but it bugs the hell out of me. We need another word to specify US American. Well, most people don't seem to need a new word...just my own hangup. So yeah, The Band and Neil, great American artists. I agree with Claney, best STUDIO American band is Steely Dan. Bob Dylan is right up there with the Dead for me even though he's a solo artist. I would also throw Los Lobos into the conversation although they're probably not among the true heavyweights. They're pretty damn American...AND from the US ;) I liked the Doors a lot as a teen, part of the interest was sparked by the very readable book, No One Here Gets Out Alive, but my opinion has waned significantly as I've aged. I like some of the songs but don't think all that much of Morrison as a singer or a writer. I thought I read somewhere that Jerry didn't like Morrison's manipulation of the crowd during their performances. Didn't Jerry refer to that as a "power trip" on Morrison's part?
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They said exactly what I tried to say, "To sum up, plinking bad, no-plink '79 good.".79 is top notch in my book and I would really like to see a Dave's pick or mini box of 79 (no plink of course).
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I'm pretty sure Nigel's accent is British. Wasn't Plinko that game on the Price Is Right, where the big round chips slide down the board bouncing off the pegs? I'd agree with the statement that there is no evidence of Keith's playing declining on any of the shows I have from '76 - '78, up to and including 12/31/78. There is actually some great stuff on that Closing of Winterland show (Ramble On Rose, Playing In The Band, Big River come to mind), but yeah, the problem with Keith in those years is that he was confined to playing tedious rhythm for large sections of the show (like 20 minutes of Not Fade Away), instead of improv with the rest of the band for huge stretches of experimental "let's see where this takes us" segments in the shows. If you listen to songs like Bertha, Promised Land, Wharf Rat, Cold Rain & Snow, etc - he's pretty much playing the same way he played them in '78 as he did in '72. The delta between a '72 and '78 show is in that the large stretches of improv don't exist in '78. It's a much more straight-forward 1,2 rhythm section that leaves little space for the talents of Keith Godchaux. It is what it is, that's how the folks in the band other than him wanted the music to sound. No need to be bitter about it, Keith's in a way better place now, playing with Jerry, Moon, Lennon, and Entwhistle. What a fucking band that must be!
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Hey all, I just discovered that the 2015 "30 Days of the Dead" downloads are now streaming on Spotify. This makes me happy as I don't like downloads, but especially because it means the band actually gets some royalties from my listening of these free downloads they provided. It's wonderful hearing them all together like this - and I even resisted the temptation to listen to them chronologically - it's great hearing them in "random" order. The Dark Star holy crap. LoveJerry - I'm all for debates over things like whether Keith's playing declined. But I don't understand why you want to tell someone to "shut the f--k up" or to call someone an asshole. I just don't get it.
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Rob Reiner is American. Do I get partial credit for that? Just having a little fun.. somebody has to keep this party alive or it might just turn into buzzkill Sunday. Help me people..
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Hey Jim, I'm not funny, but I'll try to help you. Just not by being funny. I saw a list of "Best American bands" once which had the Jimi Hendrix Experience somewhere in the Top Five. Now that's pushing it... Question: You see three flies in the bathroom. How do you know which one is the Deadhead? Answer: The one on the pot.
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One I always see is the citation of Keith only mimicking Jerry's lead in the later years. Is there any evidence of that? Keithfan - Nice post and from what I've heard, I would concur. There was some good discussion awhile back, and it was probably you, about how Mickey's return was the beginning of the end for Keith due to the change in sound not his own abilities, and I would likely agree. That aside, I welcome any posts from the 80s / 90s diehards, wish it didn't have to get down to personal insults, I love all the input besides that garbage. Please keep posting and hope everyone can stay respectful along the way. Me, I am just wrapping up the Playing > UJB > Morning Dew > UJB > Playing from the '73 Winterland set.Picked that one up early in my Dead listening (err..2014) from Mill Valley music (BJ Hunnicutt?) on Amazon..really cool, I see some verbiage online how they did the same sandwich elsewhere that year? Love the Butterfield Blues Band mentions too, I know I'm preaching to the choir but if you haven't heard their first album (and I'll lump in the 'Lost Elektra' sessions too) then you need to remedy that immediately yesterday. Also, there are no ignorant mules, only ignorant questions. Wait..
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Don't have a quote on hand... but Im pretty sure that that info about Keith following the lead came from Jerry himself
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I would treat it more like a failed relationship. Lets let them have their peace and give them all the respect they have earned. Brilliant musicians, brilliant band, add some demons and 800 lb gorilla's on peoples backs. Thank you Betty for taking such great notes.
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Well said, Jim. Moving on, I know at least a handful won a 'golden ticket' in the 30 Trips set..has anyone redeemed and shared the details? Just curious. A little Elvis up on random now..I'll Remember You (not the Dylan song but I'll let it slide) with the Jordanaires, 1966. Not one I know, but always pretty. I got into Elvis but had no ambition to see Graceland before we ended up going. I was really surprised, enjoyed it immensely. Peter Guralnick's two part biography is a fantastic read, too.
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It's all been said. Jerry complained, but I've never heard any evidence of mimicry of the lead guitar lines (ironically, except by Brent sometimes). There was no significant "decline". He didn't plink. He probably got out at the right time, given the substance problems. I'll always regret not seeing them sooner, while Keith was still in the band. Actually, I didn't know about the personnel change until Brent walked out on stage in Portland, ME on his first tour. I was open minded and enjoyed many a show. But the 70s flavors will always be my faves. There's no accounting for it.
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I get that Brent/80s shows can be tough to adjust to, but how anyone can have any problem with the 1979 30 trips show is tough for me to wrap my head around....that show smokes from beginning to end (and is probably the best show of the entire year)! Every sunday i load up my car with the shows that i'm going to be listening to during my long daily commute each morning. This week i have the 79, 83, & 85 shows from the box set, along with dicks picks 13 (may 81)....going to get my fill of Brent this week! on another note, i'm super excited for the 78 box set - placed my order this week and will be but a short couple of months before it arrives. life is good -
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Should be interesting to get a glimpse of the packaging...It kind of seems like the smaller the box, the better the cd cases. Unless slip cases are preferred- and to me slip cases are kind of the Slugworth of Wonka's chocolate village. Oompa Loompa- that's obviously the best packaging- those little guys do it right. This Box is such a sweet score- and some masterwork behind the scenes to spring this one on us- Just when I thought it's getting tougher to surprise us.
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Right on Zuck. I want an Umpah Lumpah... I am hoping for a smooth, high quality, defect free box.
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Does anyone remember Dave mentioning a Pip Pen boxed set in one of his seaside chats? I hope that becomes a reality, maybe in September? I was listening to a show from '71 today where he was smoking on the harmonica during RR Blues. What are y'all favorite Pig songs that would need to be included in such a box? I was also thinking another cool idea for a boxed set would all the NYE shows. What would be the top 5-10 shows that y'all feel would need to be included? I too am excited for the current boxed set!! I have not been disappointed in any of the offerings so far. 30 Trips really opened my ears about about some of the underrepresented years. Another peaceful Sunday night....
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