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    July 1978: The Complete Recordings

    What's Inside:

    • Five Complete Shows on 12 discs
    • 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium: Kansas City, MO
    • 7/3/78 St. Paul Civic Center Arena: St. Paul, MN
    • 7/5/78 Omaha Civic Auditorium: Omaha, NE
    • 7/7/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
    • 7/8/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope
    Intro and show-by-show liner notes by Nicholas Meriwether
    Producer's Note by David Lemieux
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
    Release Date: May 13, 2016

    Announcing July 1978: The Complete Recordings

    We’re pleased to announce JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, five incredible unreleased shows and the first official release from the long-lost tapes, recently returned to the Grateful Dead’s vault. Follow the Dead on a sonic journey through a superb selection of settings, an often epic adventure that finds them winning over Willie and Waylon fans in Kansas City, conjuring charisma in Omaha, and elevating the Red Rocks beyond their already spiritual planes. With five distinct performances painting the masterpiece of 1978, Betty Cantor-Jackson's always-pristine soundboard recordings, and the "hall-of-fame pedigree" of the Dead's first-ever shows at the legendary Red Rocks Amphitheatre, this is one release that far exceeds excellence in music, sound quality, and rarity.

    Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS includes Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, MO (7/1/78), St. Paul Civic Center, St. Paul, MN (7/3/78), Omaha Civic Auditorium, Omaha, NE (7/5/78), and Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison CO (7/7/78 and 7/8/78) - all of the performances in this collection are drawn from the band’s master soundboard recordings, each newly mastered by Jeffrey Norman. The set also features original artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope (D.C. and Marvel comics) and in-depth liner notes written by Nick Meriwether (Grateful Dead Archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz), as well as a producer’s note from producer David Lemieux.

    Due May 13th, we anticipate that this extraordinary box will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here.

    Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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  • JimInMD
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    You guys are cracking me up today. General #3 (Phil)- "Do Aligators Sell?" Hitler (very agitated) yelling - "Skeletons Sell, Dummkopf!" General #4 (Bobby) - "I thought Dancing Bears moved product" Hitler (steaming, veins popping from his neck and spit flying) - "Look.. its not that ficken complicated.. Skulls and Skeletons Sell Arschfotze"
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    Call me whatcha want, just don't call me late to ..... a 1968 DaP 19!!!!!!!!!!! Tough thing is, 68s tend to be supernovas that explode and die in the 1-2 disc range. If it's something different, which I think Dave said or I've mindlessly repeated what someone else said (I'd NEVER do that), then perhaps (3) full, one-disc 68 shows or a 2-disc and 1-disc companion. The logic, however, for releasing 1966-70 is a bit tough, being that the # of shows in the vault for each of those years must be rather meager. I could see doing something in 2018 for a 50th anniv. of 68, but who knows how Dave's mind works, except for the happy hype, which I don't begrudge him. He's excited to be doing this and he does have a nice rhythm and fondness for surprises. Must be a fun job, except I'd never listen to a show a dozen times. Once and I'm onboard or indifferent. I do like the returned tapes theory, despite the 78 box. (Yes, more Bettys to come, it seems.) Maybe it's a 2-disc show, w/ a companion disc that's not closely related in time. But what's the logic there? Just hand over a hot 71 Pigpen-saturated show and I'll pipe down. Ah, succumbing to making empty threats... Just call me a hendrix, allmans, band, GD, roy buchanan freak/head/grapefruit. Glad to hear that cat's wife is healing from her car accident. We need to hear the word "healing" more often.
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    funny you should mention bob's beard,,,, while we were watching the show from bonnaroo the other night my wife said, "ok somebody needs to tell bob to shave off the fucking beard and get a real haircut" There are things you see sometimes that make you think, "did you look in a mirror and decided that looked good?"
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    Very funny,,,, I assume this was made up, right? Can somebody dub this into the hitler video or the video with the husband and wife talking about how he needs more space. Sent off to several friends that don't read this forum.
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    KeithFan...this made me laugh out loud multiple times during my initial read as well as subsequent reads. I needed this today. Thank you. Also, wow, very interesting that people are familiar with this little record store in New Hope that went out of business so many years ago. Such were the locales back then wherein we'd descend collectively upon an outlet which housed our highly sought after artifacts, even if we didn't necessarily know what we were purchasing at the moment in terms of quality. The true 'caveat emptor', I'll say! Sixtus
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    Effing brilliant. Thanks for that. EDIT - you should send that to Dr. Rhino and Dave. Everybody needs a laugh now and then.
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    Ken Goodman - with regard to the skulls on the July '78 Complete Recordings box set, I have to agree with you - this is too much. As far as the Dave's Picks series goes, I think the skeletons date back to a conversation that Dave Lemieux and Dr. Rhino had with Bob Weir and Phil Lesh at some point near the end of the Road Trips series....... Dr. Rhino: The thing is gentlemen, partial shows just don't sell as well as complete shows, regardless of the quality. Bob Weir: That's what I've been saying all along man, the Deadheads may be okay with partial releases, but the DeadFREAKs want complete shows, because they GET it. Dave L: I agree. I was never too keen on partial releases, except maybe for unavoidable circumstances, like an incomplete recording, or a bad tape reel. I think folks have begun to make some assumptions about what a Road Trips release IS, and what it is NOT; and unfortunately, it doesn't matter how many complete show Road Trips we put out at this point, the damage is done. Dr. Rhino: Dave's right. And I should add - you slap a skeleton on the front cover of these things, and they sell like hot cakes. Phil: What do you propose then? Dr Rhino: Makeover. We cancel Road Trips and just start fresh. We put a new series together of complete shows only; if there is extra room, we'll put some killer filler on it from a related show, we'll get back-to-basics on the artwork - Phil [Interrupting]: Meaning? Dr. Rhino: Skeletons, lots of skeletons. Bob Weir: Bears don't sell? Phil: We know this? Dr. Rhino: well, SKULL and Roses.... Phil [thoughtful]: Go on.... Dave L: I have that May 25th '77 show from the Mosque on standby for just such an occasion. It was the day the original Star Wars was released, so we can do Darth Vader and Obi Wan Kenobi having a light saber duel on the cover, wearing Tie Dyes with Steal Your Face emblems, and - Bob Weir: Not good enough. Dave L: Pardon? Bob Weir: T-shirts ain't good enough. Just depict two skeletons having a light saber duel, one red, one blue. Dave L: Red and blue skeletons? Bob Weir: Red and blue light sabers. Dave L [clapping hands and rubbing them together]: Oh yeah, right right right. Bob Weir: or better yet, just a close-up of two skeleton hands clashing red and blue light sabers. Phil: Except the light sabers are drum sticks! Dave L [wide-eyed]: Just exactly perfect! Bob Weir [scowling at Lemieux]: I say that. Dave L: Pardon? Bob Weir: "Just exactly perfect" - that's my line. You start sayin' it, people will start thinking it's okay to cop my lines and use them in any old context they want. Before you know it, some moof-milker will be posting it all over that ridiculous message board. Phil: what message board? Bob Weir: You know, that one where we sell the CDs. Dave L [eager to please]: Sorry boss, I was just excited about the - Bob Weir: How do we market it Doc? Dr. Rhino: Limited edition sells. Limited edition, with lots and lots of skeletons. Dave L: Skeletons in space, skeletons with top hats, skeletons leaning on fancy cars, skeletons in coat tails, skeleton skaters, skeletons with Pigpen's hat, posing as the Statue of Liberty.... Bob Weir: That may be skeleton overkill - throw in an alligator. Dr. Rhino: What? Bob Weir [laughing]: A goddam alligator, like the one living at the Academy of Music under rows EE and FF, seats 4, 5, and 6. Dave L: and we can have him sitting out in the noon-day sun wearing Pigpen's hat - Bob Weir [glaring at Dave, then pensive]: Okay. Phil: Do alligators sell? Dr Rhino: Skeletons sell. Bob Weir: Can't we just have the artist put an old skeleton bone on the road next to the alligator, for fuck's sake? Dr Rhino: Skulls in particular. Bob Weir: Make it from an animal then - keep the alligator, but enskull the picture with a dead elk's head or something. Phil: Skeletons it is... Dave L: Skeletons with bears, skeletons with angel's wings....how about a trio of skeletons playing acoustic guitars?....or how about this - a skeleton Wizard Of Oz theme for the '72 Kansas show – Bob Weir: We played in Kansas? Dave L: Just once, in Wichita. Bob Weir: Hey Phil, did we play Jack Straw there? Phil: We’d be dicks if we didn’t. Bob Weir: Well did we? Dave L: Skeletons picking up trolley cars, skeletons dancing with hippie chicks……
  • hbob1995
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    I also took a break today from my endless and unrelenting tour of July '78. I listened to DaP16, which occurred 3 days before my first ever GD show. I tried to think back to what I was going through back then. Ah, the good old days, when I was neither good nor old! Lol. Rock on
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    That's my combo todayAnybody heard Dave Grier I Have the House to Myself? Fine CD. I just got turned on to it. Sprinkle in some Norman Blake and shows from July 78 and a pinch of 72 Makes for a good day of tunes PS keithfan.......very funny! Now I have to clean up a pee stain from too hardy laughing!
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    Yup. Really good stuff. Das Haus 10/17/2006. On the archive. Sirius has been playing a lot of Dead & Company lately. Listened to a portion of the Broomfield show today. I realize that I am clearly in the minority, but I don't get it. Doesn't sound good to me at all.
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July 1978: The Complete Recordings

What's Inside:

• Five Complete Shows on 12 discs
• 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium: Kansas City, MO
• 7/3/78 St. Paul Civic Center Arena: St. Paul, MN
• 7/5/78 Omaha Civic Auditorium: Omaha, NE
• 7/7/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
• 7/8/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope
Intro and show-by-show liner notes by Nicholas Meriwether
Producer's Note by David Lemieux
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
Release Date: May 13, 2016

Announcing July 1978: The Complete Recordings

We’re pleased to announce JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, five incredible unreleased shows and the first official release from the long-lost tapes, recently returned to the Grateful Dead’s vault. Follow the Dead on a sonic journey through a superb selection of settings, an often epic adventure that finds them winning over Willie and Waylon fans in Kansas City, conjuring charisma in Omaha, and elevating the Red Rocks beyond their already spiritual planes. With five distinct performances painting the masterpiece of 1978, Betty Cantor-Jackson's always-pristine soundboard recordings, and the "hall-of-fame pedigree" of the Dead's first-ever shows at the legendary Red Rocks Amphitheatre, this is one release that far exceeds excellence in music, sound quality, and rarity.

Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS includes Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, MO (7/1/78), St. Paul Civic Center, St. Paul, MN (7/3/78), Omaha Civic Auditorium, Omaha, NE (7/5/78), and Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison CO (7/7/78 and 7/8/78) - all of the performances in this collection are drawn from the band’s master soundboard recordings, each newly mastered by Jeffrey Norman. The set also features original artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope (D.C. and Marvel comics) and in-depth liner notes written by Nick Meriwether (Grateful Dead Archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz), as well as a producer’s note from producer David Lemieux.

Due May 13th, we anticipate that this extraordinary box will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here.

Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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LoveJerry. The more you post, the more I like you. Call it Plinko or whatever you want. The keyboard sound circa late 70s renders the band virtually unlistenable. Shakedowns and Dancin in the Streets are total abominations to my ears. Yes, I understand the recent posts about their merits, but I just don't get it. If nothing else, you need to applaud the band for continually striving for a new sound. I personally can't handle the later stuff, most of which I saw live. As for under the radar bands. Freddy Jones and From Good Homes (the prior incarnation of Railroad Earth)
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Off the top of my head, I'd say my three favorite post Keith shows are 10-27-79, 9-18-87 and 7-17-89. I'm in the minority in that I struggle with some of Brent's playing on DaP8, especially during Stranger and Around. I love Brent but prefer his later work both vocally and on keys. But I enjoyed the '80 and '81 shows from Boxzilla so I should give DaP8 another listen soon--it's been awhile. Not tonight, though. I try to listen to JGB Warner Theater show every year on Palm Sunday.
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My Spinal Tap joke fell flat. It was a good attempt you made, as always, to smooth out the bumpy vibes, and it worked (as always). Cheers to JimInMD for never having a bad thing to say about anyone or anything. THAT's the Dead vibe. Packaging for July 1978, hmmm. I like the Winterland packages, and would pleased with an exact replica (tri-fold digipak style covers, booklet, etc), but somehow I don't think that's what it's going to be. I wasn't too jazzed with the May 1977 artwork and packaging. The box was cool, the way it snaps shut, but the covers fell apart on me, and the pages of the book came unglued and separated from the spine. Rdevil, funny you mention not liking Brent on Stranger from DaP 8 - it's my favorite version! I like the minimoog he uses for the main Stranger melody. He got away from that in later versions... Edit - LOL rdevil, that was awesome (i.e what the duck are we listening to?)
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Hadn't heard the one about the flies, not bad.I'm always interested to hear more Dead jokes. I've mentioned a couple old ones in the past and will repeat them here after Jim's plea for levity. What did one deadhead say to the other when they ran out of drugs? A: What the fuck are we listening to? Why do the Grateful Dead have two drummers? A: In case one of them falls asleep. Anyone else?
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How many Deadheads does it take to screw in a light bulb?A: 501.One to screw in the light bulb,one to tape it and 499 to follow 'em around. What did the militant horses demand? A: HEY NOW! ;)
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Betty boards and werewolves of London was all you needed to say for me to add this bad boy to my cart. I do agree that Keith was in a rythumick stranglehold in the late 70's but I don't agree that he was in any kind of decline before he left the band. Favorite Keith year is 74 and he absolutely smokes on Daves 17. On a side note I love the way Keith would look when he played. Was he pissed off or was he in deep concentration. Occasionally a smirk but never a smile and always a cheap domestic beer on top of that piano. A very mysterious and quite man indeed but what he could do on those keys. He was a true artist and definitely not a rock star.
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Fantastic show. Bid You Goodnight makes a comeback with Johnny B. Goode as the encores. The last GDTRFB>NFA. Channeling 1971. Summer '88 to Spring '90 was smokin'. Best of Brent, though '87 adn '85 were also strong, ditto '79/'80. For an excellent Brent show, check out 4-8-89 Riverfront Coliseum (I think I have the date right). Best Blow Away ever. LTGTR. Fantasy>Jude. Great Brent night. Cold rainy night, also a nasty Looks Like Rain from Bob. Jerry contributes a nice West LA, China>Rider, Eyes. And a nice Box of Rain encore. Everyone involved. Plus, I believe there was stage jumper.
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I can't wait to get my hands on this box set. It wasn't that long ago that DP 18 & 25 were the only two Estimated Prophets I had with that kick-ass Jerry solo that goes on for a minute and a half to 2 minutes, and the DP 25 version isn't that good. I didnt realize this was a 78 thing until after I bought May 1977, which to my dismay, had 5 EPs with no 2 minute solo. I picked up copies of the Egypt and From Egypt with Love bonus CDs and doubled my EP 78 collection, but neither of those blew my mind quite like DP 18. Two more versions came along with DaP 15 and 30 Trips, and now there are three more coming in this July box set. Can't wait to get my filthy Deadhead hands on it. Also looking forward to two more 78 Music Never Stopped. This one developed a bit in late 77 / early 78 as well, with a 2 minute mind bending jam around the 3:45 mark. I also never grow tired of new Scarlet / Fires, you just always get something nice there (DaP 7 let it burn, let it burn, let it burn), and the Egypt stand-alone Fire on the Mountain is one of my favs. Two more of these coming,look out! With any luck, something will click on the Eyes of the World fast version...I can't say it's the best new direction I've heard them take a song, but I understand! Cocaine is a powerful motivator.... DL's comments about the Werewolves at Red Rocks is encouraging; feels like they didn't quite get it right on DaP 7 or DP 25. Peggy-O on the Wolf - yes please. Cassidy - got a little better every year between 76 and 78, culminating in my favorite on DaP 7. The Wheel too, but alas, I'll need to throw DP 18 in there. Bertha / Good Lovin' also consistently better in 78, and I attribute this mostly to the Wolf. The 77 versions are a little too "sterile" if that's the right word, and Bertha always seemed to have an audio drop in the one slot, so hopefully the new one will rock ass like DP 18 and DaP 15. And also looking forward to two new Terrapins and Samsons, which will hopefully contain something remarkable, although with Samson, it might be tough to beat 77 (5/28/77 is a face melt with all the fixins - great God almighty talk Wooo). A couple new Wharf Rats too, and the Wolf was good for this song too.
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I heard it as:Q: How many dead heads does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: None. They let it burn out, then follow it around the country for 30 years.
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Not much can kill my buzz on this wonderful deadhead Sunday, especially after reading the write up on the Arrowhead stadium show that Claney posted the link to. It's got me more stoked than ever for this box.About the worst thing to happen to me today was the cork breaking in the wine bottle; I HATE when that happens. But it's all okay now. And is there anything that goes better with a nice Syrah than Warner Theater '78? Sounds so good...and every note is familiar. Truly an old friend from the cassette days. I know Jerry thought having two "old ladies" in the group was at least one too many, but man, I love Maria and Donna together.
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....Worcester '83 30 Trip. Laser beams!! Don't miss it!....
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We have this... LoveJerry says: "It's a spiteful argument from ignorant parties..." ...and... "So shut the fuck up about a "decline" in his ability until you can provide some kind of evidence other than heresay. Closing of Winterland has as good a playing from Keith as anything since Mickey's return. Ignorant mule. You have made your case that you don't have a clue about 70s Dead. Stick to what you know asshole." ...then... Angry Jack Straw encourages such behavior and says: "LoveJerry. The more you post, the more I like you." Then we have that... claney says: "LoveJerry - I'm all for debates over things like whether Keith's playing declined. But I don't understand why you want to tell someone to "shut the f--k up" or to call someone an asshole. I just don't get it." ...and... muleskinner_blues says: "That aside, I welcome any posts from the 80s / 90s diehards, wish it didn't have to get down to personal insults, I love all the input besides that garbage. Please keep posting and hope everyone can stay respectful along the way." "Also, there are no ignorant mules, only ignorant questions. Wait.. My take: I like all era's, mainly the '80's. I'm truly sorry if others find it impossible to accept that and sorry for those who disrespectfully become hostile towards any criticism regarding the merits and amount of evidence suggested in the quality of Keith's post-retirement playing and Donna's pre-retirement singing, or the level of intellect for pointing that out.
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They all rock and held their own one thing is for sure, they are way cooling than me and I won't be critical of any of these guys anytime soon, not sure how these guys rubbed people the wrong way ? Someone get some bad acid from one of these guys lately? mentions of a Pigpen box ? Is that a box centered around Pigpen heavy shows or suggesting a stash of solo material ? Song I would like to see in a Pigpen box - "Smokestack Lightning"
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Keithfan - I found myself eye-guzzling the setlist myself, anticipating the Betty-bomb to come. The setlists could be from any '77 show, but you know the execution is a little heavier and fuzzier - a little more dangerous. I too hope the Eyes isn't too fast - that is my biggest hang-up with the '78 - fast Eyes - Ugh. But every year has different strengths - ya gotta know what to listen for - listening to '78 this weekend, I found the Estimated Prophets and Other One's from '78 are monsters. And Wharf Rat also in '78 seemed to hit its full potential. What do you feel are the songs that really peaked in '78? I think the addition of the Wolf guitar contributed a lot in the difference between 77/78 sound. Jerry couldn't find a off-the-rack guitar he liked, so you know he was digging the new custom-made "Wolf" axe in '78 with fat humbuckers - really contributed to that '78 sound. I love '77, but when the band is "ON" in '78 (which is truly sporadic) they really freakin' deliver. I'm glad to hear they had a good run of 5 solid shows (though even Dave seems to hint that set 1 from show 2 or 3 is kinda iffy...). Bring the Betty-box!
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I'd love to see an April 71 box set...not the well documented Fillmore stuff, but maybe something like 4/5,4/6, 4/7, 4/8...and 4/17 just so we can really capture Pigpen at his best!!
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I'd love to see an April 71 box set...not the well documented Fillmore stuff, but maybe something like 4/5,4/6, 4/7, 4/8...and 4/17 just so we can really capture Pigpen at his best!!
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I'd love to see an April 71 box set...not the well documented Fillmore stuff, but maybe something like 4/5,4/6, 4/7, 4/8...and 4/17 just so we can really capture Pigpen at his best!!
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not sure why my last post appears 3 times (must be the ghost of pigpen).... in addition to April 71, i'd also love to see: Ark 1969 Fox Theater (72) Fall 73 (10/21-10/30) the full 74 retirement run (just take my money already) Stanley Theater/Uptown Theater (11/30-12/5 1979) 3/9-3/10 81 Full Alpine run in 89 I doubt we'd ever see a full warfield/Radio city release, but would love to see maybe 1-2 of each in a box set (maybe 10/4, 10/14, 10/31, etc) And as many have mentioned, best of frost and/or greek would be killer A man can dream (clearly i am this morning)
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If you are pining for a '69 show, a '72 show, and two runs from the '70s along with a few '80s shows, maybe you should change your name to "fan." :-)
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....I have a parrot who is pining for the fjords. What else can you think when you hear pining.
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Did everyone get charged at time of order on this box? I did, but I spoke to someone else who did not. I called customer service and was told I would be charged when it shipped. I told her it was on my statement (not an authorization, an actual charge) and she said that should not happen. Just pokin' around to see who else got charged up front.
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Lots of great bands, we should just be mindful when we say "great" bands, we mostly mean favorite to me. I saw some said "old guard" and Allman in same breath. Old is in the eye (ear?) of the beholder. Lets not forget real "old", like Louis Armstrong's Hot 5 & 7's. Or, Red Nichols and his 5 pennies. I think Glenn Miller and Benny Goodman should be there also. For real old, how about some Sousa Band music (still with us today). More recent, Bob Willis and his Texas Playboys. In the same vein Dan Hicks and his Hot Licks. The great bands Sinatra stood in front of (nelson riddle). We are living in a time when there is so much great music available to us, maybe more than any other. Stuff that in large part has just been gone and now is back. Ever search the archive for old "78" stuff and the orchestra/bands you will find. But still, the dead were the greatest! :-)
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In between the release of more Betty boards and the MG missing tape stash, let's indeed have a few lovingly curated April '71 shows! (Then fall '72 and summer '73.) I kinda suspect that Dave's pick for the 30 Trips 1971 show (March 18) was made with this thought in mind. Keeping his options open. Anyone hear even a whisper about progress on the GD documentary that's in the works? We knew they were going to blow through 2015, but I always hoped it'd be ready for July 2016 MUATM.
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On the topic of Keith: I'm a big fan of the era spanning Keith joining and Mickey returning. These are the golden years as far as I'm concerned. The Dead didn't need two trap drummers. Maybe, just maybe, if Mickey had focused more on ancillary percussion for more texture (hey Dark Star from Live Dead, I'm looking at you), that would have been made a difference, but two drummers on straightahead rock or cowboy songs? No thanks. Two drummers in the wonderful improvisatory, exploratory ensemble that the Dead became in '71 with the addition of Keith? Not necessary. That band was a delicious balance of 5 strong players who also listened to each other: Jerry, Bobby, Phil, Billy and Keith. I think of those moments where they're wailing away out there somewhere, balanced on a thread, waiting for a push or pull to take them in another direction, and Keith was as capable of doing that as anyone else in the band. He could hang, musically, in a way that TC couldn't, and that Brent probably never really had the chance to demonstrate, because (as noted astutely earlier), the Dead just stopped playing that way. It's interesting that Billy notes how good he thought that Keith was, as there are a number of very fine Billy / Keith duets in the jams (before Drums/Space became cemented, or maybe calcified into the Dead's routine). Billy got it (yah, I'm a big fan of Billy, too). Obligatory disclaimer: I'm not dissing the band post-retirement (my first show was in '77) or Mickey or Brent or TC or anything else. I saw a bunch of shows with those folks, and enjoyed them all. It's just that the era when Keith was in the band and Mickey wasn't hits a sweet spot with me, just as Coltrane's bands with McCoy Tyner is the sweet spot for his music as far as I'm concerned.
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Oh, on the topic of great bands -- yes, I'll echo Talking Heads and REM, both of whom I saw in the Cumberland County Civic center in the 80's (twice for REM - great shows). The Doors -- kinda meh. I had the LA Woman LP in high school (won it at a school dance, yay me!) and liked Light My Fire, but once I hit on the Allmans, and then the Dead, I never really looked back. I also had Iron Butterfly and Grand Funk Railroad LPs, ditto. If you want to go in the direction of jazz, you'd better look at Miles Davis' electric ensembles of the 60's -- think Bitches Brew. For the folks hung up on the 'America' thing: if you wanna go there, remember that the US and Canada are in North America, but there's also Central and South America to add in as part of the Americas. But colloquially, we Americans use 'America' as shorthand for "The United States of America", and nobody's really confused about that usage.
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We are thinking the same in terms of Box thoughts. I was kind of thinking of a different base reason for it, however. I'd like for them to think about completing shows/runs that have been released partially. 1) The Alpine '89 run (Downhill, GD Meetup at movies) 2) The '74 Retirement Run (Steal Face, GD Movie + Soundtrack) 3) April '71 (Ladies & Gentlemen, the Grateful Dead) 4) February '70 (Bear's Choice, DP 4). (2/13-14 and 2/11). 5) At least 1 full show from the acoustic NYC/Winterland run (Dead Ahead). I know there is sometimes good reason the whole show wasn't released, but let's go back and fix that. If there isn't enough for a whole release for one show(s), then throw several songs on as filler on some of the releases. It always bugged me that 12/29/77 (DP10) and 5/22/77 (DP3) weren't full shows. The missing songs could fill one disc at least (PeggyO, Minglewood, FOTD, B.E. Women, Good Lovin, Sugar Mag. IMHBTR, Sunrise, Johnny B. Goode).
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This may not be the best place to ask this question, but does anyone out there know anything about the original Rhino version of Dick's Picks vol. 29 containing "hidden tracks". This assumes that the Real Gone edition does not have these bonus tracks. I would appreciate any information on this rumor.
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Lots of great bands mentioned. I would have to go with the Band and Dylan. Its American enough for me, remember.. they morphed from the Hawks.. Ronnie Hawkings and Levon Helm are both from Arkansas and the songwriting rings true from deep Americana. Also.. they got their name from being Dylan's band (which they were). Lots of love for Los Lobos too. A different twist on the melting pot that is Americana. You cant ignore the delta region too. I highly recommend Dennis McNally's book On Highway 61: Music, Race and the Evolution of Cultural Freedom. If that doesn't get at the core of what is American Music.. I don't know what does, and it ends with Dylan and by extension the Band.
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I heard the latest Dave's for the first time this past weekend. Really do love it, despite my shock (and no awe) at the big fluffs/miscues here and there, e.g. climax of He's Gone... garage band stuff! How fabulous to NAIL U.S. Blues in the middle of the second set, in the middle of the Summer of '74, as the essay notes. Them old U.S. Blues -- Trump won't win in a landslide per Nixon's second victory, however the U.S. is staying very '72 it seems, or perhaps worse. IT CAN HAPPEN HERE.
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@ Raindead: See my post about 130 posts prior to yours. I got charged already and took up the matter with customer service. Their reply is in my earlier post. @droidmec: The original Dick's Picks 29 had 5 hidden tr. all from Lloyd Noble Center, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK - 10/11/77. Whether they are also on the Real Gone reissue I know not.
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that the Real Gone reissue does indeed include the hidden tracks.
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I heard once that Italians refer to Canada as "Upp-a U.S."
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5/19 - NOT FADE AWAY WHARF RAT AROUND AND AROUND 5/21 - DANCIN' IN THE STREETS DIRE WOLF Estimated > Eyes and the hidden tracks make up the 2nd set if anyone cares.
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10/11/77 (Sorry, took too long to post)
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I am intrigued by 71 w/Keith vs Mickey's return. I never really noticed any marginalization of Keith with the return to two drummers but I will now compare and contrast Keith 71 vs 76-78 and The Two Drummers. I had always loved the two drum.space extravaganza. Yet I am very, very keen to pay more attention to the 'lost improvisation' of one drum and Keith. Of course I have heard shows from then but just did not pick on what was lost. The 'polish' so often mentioned of 77 still had me thinking 'wow what improvisation!' And maybe they were just phoning it in, or beginning to( calcify). To the more educated ears here, to the more tuned into this dynamic, could you recommend some 71 song sequences which demonstrate Keith's improvisatory element to compare to similar song-sequences where it is lost? Thanks. I learn a lot here. Conspicuous in its absence?!
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Stan Kenton was a band leader from the 1940s up to his passing in 1979. Famous musicians came up through his band (Maynard Ferguson, Peter Erskine, Dick Shearer). Kenton and his band had a rabid following like the Dead in the 1950's. Devoted fans were referred to Kentonites, according to my father-in-law, who was a huge Kentonite. After my father-in-law passed, I borrowed his 80 cd binder of kenton material. Pretty progressive stuff - lot of latin beats with horns. Good stuff.
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I really like all the music being mentioned. As Jim said Americana is the perfect description for The Band. I got to see Levon up at his barn in Woodstock awhile back and I'll never forget it. For anyone who's curious about Little Feat here's a link one of my favorites of theirs. It's tasty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qnn_B0xILU&list=RD1Qnn_B0xILU
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I've also been charged the full amount, appearing on my statement two days after ordering. (I've always been charged up front on past orders so thought nothing of it).
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Had to second the emotion about the Estimated Prophets coming in this new collection as I am definitely an EP junkie. I concur with the sentiment Keithfan expressed (he and I seem to always be on the same page), that the 78 Estimated outro jams were where Jerry really took off. If memory serves (I don't have the tape anymore) a fine specimen to be had is the 4-8-78 show from Jacksonville. It gets downright SPOOKY! But don't minimize the 77 Estimateds either. Just spun DP3 from 5/22 and it's a doozy as well as DP 34, 11/2 & 11/5. Both of those have Jerry tripping the light fantastic, especially 11/2, coming out of a smokin' Might As Well going into a groovy St. Stephen. And I'd be remiss not to mention the filler on DP10 from 12-30. We all know how the badassidity from that one just drips as Jerry relentlessly burns! As for the 1-2 drummer discussion, I can dig the two drummer attack, which is all I ever saw, but I have to admit, as someone else pointed out, two drummers for the cowboy tunes often ended up sounding like a pair of sneakers tumbling in the dryer. I definately prefer the 5 piece 71-74 jazz extravaganzas. Only one drummer could successfully pull that shit off properly. Kreutzmann was a beast back in the day! BOBALOOOOOOOO where are ya Brother! Peace to all.
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I would have to assume it is the same as the physical CDs. That is why there are no bonus offers anymore, the CDs are the bonus because once they sell out it's digital only.the first 15,000 get CDs, the rest get files only. I don't remember what the 1977 box cost, but are the HD flac download copies any cheaper than the CDs were? We'll find out in May when they go onsale.
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Speaking of the missing, where the H is wjond?? He promised a hi-res digital listening test.
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Keithfan hit a chord (so to speak) with me. I began keying in on those extended "Estimated" jams late last year and made notes when I came across one. I don't think anyone's mentioned DP5, and Download Series 5, 7, and 9. There also are the 1989, 1991, and 1993 shows from "30 Trips", although my impression when I listened was that Bob finally cut Jerry off during the '93 show.
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