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    July 1978: The Complete Recordings

    What's Inside:

    • Five Complete Shows on 12 discs
    • 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium: Kansas City, MO
    • 7/3/78 St. Paul Civic Center Arena: St. Paul, MN
    • 7/5/78 Omaha Civic Auditorium: Omaha, NE
    • 7/7/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
    • 7/8/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope
    Intro and show-by-show liner notes by Nicholas Meriwether
    Producer's Note by David Lemieux
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
    Release Date: May 13, 2016

    Announcing July 1978: The Complete Recordings

    We’re pleased to announce JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, five incredible unreleased shows and the first official release from the long-lost tapes, recently returned to the Grateful Dead’s vault. Follow the Dead on a sonic journey through a superb selection of settings, an often epic adventure that finds them winning over Willie and Waylon fans in Kansas City, conjuring charisma in Omaha, and elevating the Red Rocks beyond their already spiritual planes. With five distinct performances painting the masterpiece of 1978, Betty Cantor-Jackson's always-pristine soundboard recordings, and the "hall-of-fame pedigree" of the Dead's first-ever shows at the legendary Red Rocks Amphitheatre, this is one release that far exceeds excellence in music, sound quality, and rarity.

    Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS includes Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, MO (7/1/78), St. Paul Civic Center, St. Paul, MN (7/3/78), Omaha Civic Auditorium, Omaha, NE (7/5/78), and Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison CO (7/7/78 and 7/8/78) - all of the performances in this collection are drawn from the band’s master soundboard recordings, each newly mastered by Jeffrey Norman. The set also features original artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope (D.C. and Marvel comics) and in-depth liner notes written by Nick Meriwether (Grateful Dead Archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz), as well as a producer’s note from producer David Lemieux.

    Due May 13th, we anticipate that this extraordinary box will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here.

    Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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  • MinasMorgul
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    Ice cream cone kid, I have to disagree about David Lee Roth - the man can't sing anymore. He no longer seems to have the ability to carry a tune in concert. The last show I saw was embarrassing - they seem to know there is a problem. He gets up there, huffing and puffing, and blurts out the lyrics in this choppy, tiresome monotone with no rhythm or melody whatsoever. The rest of the band sounds great, and it's those backing vocals that keep the shows from being a complete train wreck. I was so disappointed, and I'm not alone. I gave him a few chances since they're reunion, but to no avail - he wasn't just having "off" nights. Here are the reviews from ticketmaster's site, in order, over the course of several shows. Everyone gave them a 1 out of 5, and everyone cited Deteriorated Dave as the weak link. Really, don't waste your money. It's a shame, these guys used to be great, but it really demonstrates what an anomaly Dave was. 1 / 5 van halen sucked Hollywood Bowl - Hollywood, CA - Fri, Oct 2, 2015 eddie superb everyone else was tired and uninspired i've seen van halen, yes, steely dan and toto in the last five months i'm a 58 year old gtr playing 40 year member of LA musicians union TOTO was far and away the best of the four oh well 1 / 5 HORRIBLE! Disappointed big time! Hollywood Bowl - Hollywood, CA - Fri, Oct 2, 2015Posted 10/05/2015by TagBert David Roth ruined the show. He sounded awful-talked through the lyrics instead of singing. He made up/replaced words in songs and his voice is gone! He made the concert all about him, and not the music. If it were not for the band, and back up singing, you would not have recognized any of the songs. Was soooo disappointed. Favorite moment: When it was over. 1 / 5 Van Halen Ak-Chin Pavilion - Phoenix, AZ - Mon, Sep 28, 2015Posted 10/01/2015by WLDHRTBKR Band sounded great, but Dave was pathetic!!! Would have been a much better show if Van Halen had opened up for Kenny Wayne Sheppard....now there's some talent!! 1 / 5 DLR was so far off, it made it unbearable. Gexa Energy Pavilion - Dallas, TX - Wed, Sep 23, 2015Posted 09/27/2015by HijoDelSol1 If you want to hear all your favorite Van Halen songs, I would suggest loading up your MP3 player and hitting play. David Lee Roth was so far off from the rest of the band that it painful. The rest of the band sounded great, would have rather had them run in a tribute band singer then to listen to that. Favorite moment: Guitar Solo 1 / 5 Diamond Dave is Done Oak Mountain Amphitheater - Pelham, AL - 09/17/2015Posted 09/23/2015by LeeTB I cringed the whole way through the Van Halen show. Seriously, if you know anything about vocals, music, singing in key, singing at all, you would have no other choice but to agree that David Lee Roth is done. Sure, he still can entertain the crowd with his antics, but when you don't sing 80% of the lyrics, and the lyrics you do sing are our of key, just hang it up. If they had just advertised it as an instrumental show, featuring the rest of the band, it would have been 100% better. Don't be fooled. Unless you're just going to see Eddie, or the Kenny Wayne Shepherd band is opening, you WILL be disappointed. Favorite moment: Kenny Wayne Shepherd Band set - great gig!!!! Saved the night - seeing Eddie for the 2nd time live. 1 / 5 Kenny Wayne OK but VH sucked. Bethel Woods Center for the Arts - Bethel, NY - Sun, Sep 6, 2015Posted 09/22/2015by PMW1960 Kenny Wayne Shepard was sounding great but only played 35 minutes. WTF, he could have played an hour or so. VH was terrible. The band sounded OK but the vocals and backup singing was terrible. The volume on the vocals was turned down so it was hard to hear David but that was probably a good thing. Favorite moment: The end. Opening act(s): KWS band. Good but way to short. 1 / 5 DLR stole my money Oak Mountain Amphitheatre - Birmingham, AL - Thu, Sep 17, 2015 Posted 09/21/2015by jbix613 David lee Roth needs to quit today! He talked thru most lyrics. When he did try he couldn't hit the high notes at all. He even tried to do 15 minutes of terrible stand up.This is the first concert I ever left early and I wasn't alone, I was joined with hundreds. 1 / 5 Van Halen / David Lee Roth MIDFLORIDA Credit Union Amphitheatre at the FL State Fairgrounds - Tampa, FL - Sun, Sep 13, 2015Posted 09/16/2015by notoriousscottyb I've been to see other older bands with not much expectations of a great show . I was not disappointed. That being said ... As you would think it was mostly the Dave show. His voice, key and timing are way off. It would seem as though they didn't rehearse. I really expected more from a Van Halen Show. Eddie Is usually full of energy and excited to please the crowd but not this show. I'm extremely sorry I spend the eighty bucks per ticket. It was a twenty dollar show at best. I was NOT alone walking out at ten thirty. I couldn't withstand any more of the abuse of Van Halen music. Favorite moment: Leaving early..Priceless 1 / 5 Very Disapointed PNC - Charlotte, NC - 09/11/2015Posted 09/15/2015by ChrisDaddy This was the fourth time I have seen Van Halen in my lifetime, and I realize they have gotten older as I have. I have adjusted my expectations accordingly. Eddie and family were spot on, but DLR was all over the place. I know you get some variation with live music, but he was constantly off on the lyrics, out of sync wih the band, and did a lot of just plain odd movements on stage. It sounded terrible and he was difficult to watch. As much as I love Van Halen, DLR is done..... Favorite moment: Eddie's solo 1 / 5 See Van Halen in a corner Bar SOON !!!! PNC Music Pavilion - Charlotte, NC - Fri, Sep 11, 2015Posted 09/14/2015by Furiousnight The worst Van Halen show I have ever been too. And I have been to at least 15 of Van Halen shows. Davids voice is gone. He acted to crazy and talked to much. He even stopped the middle of songs and talked. Does David have dementia. I think Wolfgang has a better voice then David. Favorite moment: Eddies guitar solo 1 / 5 VAN HALEN PNC Music Pavilion - Charlotte, NC - Fri, Sep 11, 2015Posted 09/14/2015by Anonymous I HAVE BEEN A VAN HALEN FAN SINCE 1977, SEEN THEM MANY TIMES . LOVE D THEM WITH DAVE AND SAMMY. THIS WAS ONE OF THE WORST SHOWS I'VE EVER SEEN. DIAMOND DAVE CAN NOT SING , COULD NOT SING. A ENTIRE SONG, NOT THAT I WANTED TO HEAR THAT VOICE .MAYBE SHOULD TRY OUT FOR DANCING WITH THE HAS BEENS. Favorite moment: WHEN I LEFT HALF WAY THREW SHOW 1 / 5 Tour experience is a waste! Walnut Creek Amphitheatre - Raleigh, NC - Wed, Sep 9, 2015Posted 09/14/2015by Skieder We got to the sound check about 15 minutes after the time listed in the email. The check-in took long and our "escort" (a young girl) took forever to greet us at the gate. It wasn't until I questioned the check-in person how long the sound check lasted that they had a sense of urgency about actually letting us in. We had to walk all the way around the park (5 minutes at least) and got to the stage just as the band finished up. There was no exception made at all. We were not compensated whatsoever. After the sound check ended, a person who said she was in charge of the group told us where to hang out and what was available (drinks, food and t-shirt stand). We sat around for nearly 3 hours because we weren't allowed to leave the park, waiting for the opening act. For the amount of money I paid they could have done a little more. I will never purchase this product again...COMPLETE WASTE of MONEY! Favorite moment: Good seats 1 / 5 Total Disappointment Bethel Woods Center for the Arts - Bethel, NY - Sun, Sep 6, 2015Posted 09/10/2015by EMAS My husband had wanted to see Van Halen for years. He was looking very forward to this show, particularly at Bethel Woods, which is an awesome venue. This show was a complete disappointment. The opener, Kenny Wayne Shepard, was good. When VH took the stage the crowd was excited but then it ended. David Lee Roth really can't sing any longer. He was out of sync with the band, off key, off pitch - overall not good. The band didn't seem together either. The sound was too loud, the guitar overrode everything else, they just didn't seem like a professional band. We have seen bar bands that were better. It sounded like bad karaoke. When we decided to leave early - we have never left a concert early ever before - many others were streaming out as well. All were saying the same thing. This was painful! Favorite moment: The decision to leave the concert.
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    3.28.69 - Student Center, Modesto Jr. College 7.7.69 - PIGPEN !!!!! I say please Mamma turn on your light.. "Some of your love some of your light... "That's All you folks need now, just a little light, thats all you folks need, a little more love, yes you do, I ask my baby let it shine on me...
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    pig was a biker first, then a singer and then a harp player then an organist, oh wait, but foremost he was a man, who liked sex, good thing, without it, no human race. David lee was a promoter, a rocker, a singer and a front man, who liked sex, good thing.... Alvin lee was a rocker, a guitarist and a great guy, way underappreciated and his contributions to ten years after will never be equaled, no one was a fast as him except maybe darma buck who is the lead guitarist for blue oyster cult, now that is one fast fingering. Most girls I know like fast fingering. Shake your money maker.
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    9/19/70-I don't know about the Lovelight, but its got an incredible Dark Star on it. Horses for courses. Its music like that that has always made me ignore the advice of people like that angry jackstraw bloke, to stop listening to The Dead.
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    I agree, that Lovelight played on 5/24/72 is one of my favourite versions. At the 12 minute mark, it doesn't overstay its welcome, either. I think there was a tendency towards excess in rock music around that time. If anyone had any particular talent, they seemed to overdo do it. Pigpen was a great vocalist-he wasn't a poet. Ginger Baker was a great drummer with Cream...but his 16 minute+ solo on The Wheels of Fire version of Toad is very hard going. There was a great pop/rock band in England in the early 1970s called T.Rex-I don't know if they were well known in America. Anyway, they made great singles. But live they were a disaster. I saw them in 1972, and they played long versions of their songs, totally destroying the impact they could have had if they had been a bit more concise.Sometimes, of course, a bands strength lay in its ability to jam. On most of their songs, this applies to The Dead. A 15 minute version of Dark Star from 1971 always seems too short to me. They could be concise to good effect, too, though. I have just finished listening to the 7/5/78 show from the box set. The encore of Promised land is as good a version of a Chuck Berry song as I think I have ever heard. Its only 4 mins 13 secs long, but nothing more needs to be said.
  • icecrmcnkd
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    Go see VH if they tour again. Last September when I saw them they were great.For anyone who is a so-so fan or is not familiar, go if you get the chance. They are getting older, but toured last year. Eddie is an amazing guitarist, you need to witness it live. Dave is the ultimate show man. The whole band rocks. Also, look up on YouTube Van Halen "Live At Largo", another good show.
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    and all the raps he brings with him! maybe we could get a release of, i think it's 9/19/70, i could be wrong about that, but it's a particularly hot show where they storm through lovelight (as if they ever did a version that era where they didn't), and where the rap gets to the point where bobby steps up to the mic to inquire: "Pigpen, did you just say fuck?" if not that show, i hear the ones from the ARK in Boston in 4/21-23/69 are pretty good - ahem, uh dave, next box set, sure, why not? Thanks. I've also heard done tell from a few of the folks that the NYE show from '69, also in beantown, is quite bad-ass, with one hell of an Alligator jam to it's name. everyone, well except for that one guy (who is entitled to his opinion, and the right to express it freely), would be quite happy with many more pig heavy releases.
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    Nice icecrmcnkd....
    ....now THAT video brings me back. Halen put on a fantastic show....saw them once. Alas, not with Roth. 5150 Tour....that, alas again, was during my transition to the Dead. Metal/Hard Rock took a back seat for a decade or so.....
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    Your VH introduction: https://youtu.be/frwlZswvS5I Watch the whole thing. It's a 3-day weekend, you've got the time.
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    I missed the Van Halen days, other than Jump as a basketball warm-up.. (that was at some tournament, at home of course we ran out to Jesus Christ Superstar intro > Rock You Like A Hurricane orchestral version > Still Fly by the Big Tymers. Huh..no wonder I like the Dead's incongruent weirdness..) Anyways, don't know much Van Halen, but in on the Blondie! Only know the hits I suppose, but my favorite is Heart of Glass. But One Way or Another, Rapture, Call Me, Atomic...all great. Love that Rapture video. Sometimes I just go around downtown like that dude. Then I heard boom from the amplifiers.
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July 1978: The Complete Recordings

What's Inside:

• Five Complete Shows on 12 discs
• 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium: Kansas City, MO
• 7/3/78 St. Paul Civic Center Arena: St. Paul, MN
• 7/5/78 Omaha Civic Auditorium: Omaha, NE
• 7/7/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
• 7/8/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope
Intro and show-by-show liner notes by Nicholas Meriwether
Producer's Note by David Lemieux
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
Release Date: May 13, 2016

Announcing July 1978: The Complete Recordings

We’re pleased to announce JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, five incredible unreleased shows and the first official release from the long-lost tapes, recently returned to the Grateful Dead’s vault. Follow the Dead on a sonic journey through a superb selection of settings, an often epic adventure that finds them winning over Willie and Waylon fans in Kansas City, conjuring charisma in Omaha, and elevating the Red Rocks beyond their already spiritual planes. With five distinct performances painting the masterpiece of 1978, Betty Cantor-Jackson's always-pristine soundboard recordings, and the "hall-of-fame pedigree" of the Dead's first-ever shows at the legendary Red Rocks Amphitheatre, this is one release that far exceeds excellence in music, sound quality, and rarity.

Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS includes Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, MO (7/1/78), St. Paul Civic Center, St. Paul, MN (7/3/78), Omaha Civic Auditorium, Omaha, NE (7/5/78), and Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison CO (7/7/78 and 7/8/78) - all of the performances in this collection are drawn from the band’s master soundboard recordings, each newly mastered by Jeffrey Norman. The set also features original artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope (D.C. and Marvel comics) and in-depth liner notes written by Nick Meriwether (Grateful Dead Archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz), as well as a producer’s note from producer David Lemieux.

Due May 13th, we anticipate that this extraordinary box will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here.

Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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LoveJerry. The more you post, the more I like you. Call it Plinko or whatever you want. The keyboard sound circa late 70s renders the band virtually unlistenable. Shakedowns and Dancin in the Streets are total abominations to my ears. Yes, I understand the recent posts about their merits, but I just don't get it. If nothing else, you need to applaud the band for continually striving for a new sound. I personally can't handle the later stuff, most of which I saw live. As for under the radar bands. Freddy Jones and From Good Homes (the prior incarnation of Railroad Earth)
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Off the top of my head, I'd say my three favorite post Keith shows are 10-27-79, 9-18-87 and 7-17-89. I'm in the minority in that I struggle with some of Brent's playing on DaP8, especially during Stranger and Around. I love Brent but prefer his later work both vocally and on keys. But I enjoyed the '80 and '81 shows from Boxzilla so I should give DaP8 another listen soon--it's been awhile. Not tonight, though. I try to listen to JGB Warner Theater show every year on Palm Sunday.
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My Spinal Tap joke fell flat. It was a good attempt you made, as always, to smooth out the bumpy vibes, and it worked (as always). Cheers to JimInMD for never having a bad thing to say about anyone or anything. THAT's the Dead vibe. Packaging for July 1978, hmmm. I like the Winterland packages, and would pleased with an exact replica (tri-fold digipak style covers, booklet, etc), but somehow I don't think that's what it's going to be. I wasn't too jazzed with the May 1977 artwork and packaging. The box was cool, the way it snaps shut, but the covers fell apart on me, and the pages of the book came unglued and separated from the spine. Rdevil, funny you mention not liking Brent on Stranger from DaP 8 - it's my favorite version! I like the minimoog he uses for the main Stranger melody. He got away from that in later versions... Edit - LOL rdevil, that was awesome (i.e what the duck are we listening to?)
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Hadn't heard the one about the flies, not bad.I'm always interested to hear more Dead jokes. I've mentioned a couple old ones in the past and will repeat them here after Jim's plea for levity. What did one deadhead say to the other when they ran out of drugs? A: What the fuck are we listening to? Why do the Grateful Dead have two drummers? A: In case one of them falls asleep. Anyone else?
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How many Deadheads does it take to screw in a light bulb?A: 501.One to screw in the light bulb,one to tape it and 499 to follow 'em around. What did the militant horses demand? A: HEY NOW! ;)
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Betty boards and werewolves of London was all you needed to say for me to add this bad boy to my cart. I do agree that Keith was in a rythumick stranglehold in the late 70's but I don't agree that he was in any kind of decline before he left the band. Favorite Keith year is 74 and he absolutely smokes on Daves 17. On a side note I love the way Keith would look when he played. Was he pissed off or was he in deep concentration. Occasionally a smirk but never a smile and always a cheap domestic beer on top of that piano. A very mysterious and quite man indeed but what he could do on those keys. He was a true artist and definitely not a rock star.
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Fantastic show. Bid You Goodnight makes a comeback with Johnny B. Goode as the encores. The last GDTRFB>NFA. Channeling 1971. Summer '88 to Spring '90 was smokin'. Best of Brent, though '87 adn '85 were also strong, ditto '79/'80. For an excellent Brent show, check out 4-8-89 Riverfront Coliseum (I think I have the date right). Best Blow Away ever. LTGTR. Fantasy>Jude. Great Brent night. Cold rainy night, also a nasty Looks Like Rain from Bob. Jerry contributes a nice West LA, China>Rider, Eyes. And a nice Box of Rain encore. Everyone involved. Plus, I believe there was stage jumper.
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I can't wait to get my hands on this box set. It wasn't that long ago that DP 18 & 25 were the only two Estimated Prophets I had with that kick-ass Jerry solo that goes on for a minute and a half to 2 minutes, and the DP 25 version isn't that good. I didnt realize this was a 78 thing until after I bought May 1977, which to my dismay, had 5 EPs with no 2 minute solo. I picked up copies of the Egypt and From Egypt with Love bonus CDs and doubled my EP 78 collection, but neither of those blew my mind quite like DP 18. Two more versions came along with DaP 15 and 30 Trips, and now there are three more coming in this July box set. Can't wait to get my filthy Deadhead hands on it. Also looking forward to two more 78 Music Never Stopped. This one developed a bit in late 77 / early 78 as well, with a 2 minute mind bending jam around the 3:45 mark. I also never grow tired of new Scarlet / Fires, you just always get something nice there (DaP 7 let it burn, let it burn, let it burn), and the Egypt stand-alone Fire on the Mountain is one of my favs. Two more of these coming,look out! With any luck, something will click on the Eyes of the World fast version...I can't say it's the best new direction I've heard them take a song, but I understand! Cocaine is a powerful motivator.... DL's comments about the Werewolves at Red Rocks is encouraging; feels like they didn't quite get it right on DaP 7 or DP 25. Peggy-O on the Wolf - yes please. Cassidy - got a little better every year between 76 and 78, culminating in my favorite on DaP 7. The Wheel too, but alas, I'll need to throw DP 18 in there. Bertha / Good Lovin' also consistently better in 78, and I attribute this mostly to the Wolf. The 77 versions are a little too "sterile" if that's the right word, and Bertha always seemed to have an audio drop in the one slot, so hopefully the new one will rock ass like DP 18 and DaP 15. And also looking forward to two new Terrapins and Samsons, which will hopefully contain something remarkable, although with Samson, it might be tough to beat 77 (5/28/77 is a face melt with all the fixins - great God almighty talk Wooo). A couple new Wharf Rats too, and the Wolf was good for this song too.
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I heard it as:Q: How many dead heads does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: None. They let it burn out, then follow it around the country for 30 years.
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Not much can kill my buzz on this wonderful deadhead Sunday, especially after reading the write up on the Arrowhead stadium show that Claney posted the link to. It's got me more stoked than ever for this box.About the worst thing to happen to me today was the cork breaking in the wine bottle; I HATE when that happens. But it's all okay now. And is there anything that goes better with a nice Syrah than Warner Theater '78? Sounds so good...and every note is familiar. Truly an old friend from the cassette days. I know Jerry thought having two "old ladies" in the group was at least one too many, but man, I love Maria and Donna together.
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....Worcester '83 30 Trip. Laser beams!! Don't miss it!....
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We have this... LoveJerry says: "It's a spiteful argument from ignorant parties..." ...and... "So shut the fuck up about a "decline" in his ability until you can provide some kind of evidence other than heresay. Closing of Winterland has as good a playing from Keith as anything since Mickey's return. Ignorant mule. You have made your case that you don't have a clue about 70s Dead. Stick to what you know asshole." ...then... Angry Jack Straw encourages such behavior and says: "LoveJerry. The more you post, the more I like you." Then we have that... claney says: "LoveJerry - I'm all for debates over things like whether Keith's playing declined. But I don't understand why you want to tell someone to "shut the f--k up" or to call someone an asshole. I just don't get it." ...and... muleskinner_blues says: "That aside, I welcome any posts from the 80s / 90s diehards, wish it didn't have to get down to personal insults, I love all the input besides that garbage. Please keep posting and hope everyone can stay respectful along the way." "Also, there are no ignorant mules, only ignorant questions. Wait.. My take: I like all era's, mainly the '80's. I'm truly sorry if others find it impossible to accept that and sorry for those who disrespectfully become hostile towards any criticism regarding the merits and amount of evidence suggested in the quality of Keith's post-retirement playing and Donna's pre-retirement singing, or the level of intellect for pointing that out.
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They all rock and held their own one thing is for sure, they are way cooling than me and I won't be critical of any of these guys anytime soon, not sure how these guys rubbed people the wrong way ? Someone get some bad acid from one of these guys lately? mentions of a Pigpen box ? Is that a box centered around Pigpen heavy shows or suggesting a stash of solo material ? Song I would like to see in a Pigpen box - "Smokestack Lightning"
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Keithfan - I found myself eye-guzzling the setlist myself, anticipating the Betty-bomb to come. The setlists could be from any '77 show, but you know the execution is a little heavier and fuzzier - a little more dangerous. I too hope the Eyes isn't too fast - that is my biggest hang-up with the '78 - fast Eyes - Ugh. But every year has different strengths - ya gotta know what to listen for - listening to '78 this weekend, I found the Estimated Prophets and Other One's from '78 are monsters. And Wharf Rat also in '78 seemed to hit its full potential. What do you feel are the songs that really peaked in '78? I think the addition of the Wolf guitar contributed a lot in the difference between 77/78 sound. Jerry couldn't find a off-the-rack guitar he liked, so you know he was digging the new custom-made "Wolf" axe in '78 with fat humbuckers - really contributed to that '78 sound. I love '77, but when the band is "ON" in '78 (which is truly sporadic) they really freakin' deliver. I'm glad to hear they had a good run of 5 solid shows (though even Dave seems to hint that set 1 from show 2 or 3 is kinda iffy...). Bring the Betty-box!
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I'd love to see an April 71 box set...not the well documented Fillmore stuff, but maybe something like 4/5,4/6, 4/7, 4/8...and 4/17 just so we can really capture Pigpen at his best!!
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I'd love to see an April 71 box set...not the well documented Fillmore stuff, but maybe something like 4/5,4/6, 4/7, 4/8...and 4/17 just so we can really capture Pigpen at his best!!
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I'd love to see an April 71 box set...not the well documented Fillmore stuff, but maybe something like 4/5,4/6, 4/7, 4/8...and 4/17 just so we can really capture Pigpen at his best!!
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not sure why my last post appears 3 times (must be the ghost of pigpen).... in addition to April 71, i'd also love to see: Ark 1969 Fox Theater (72) Fall 73 (10/21-10/30) the full 74 retirement run (just take my money already) Stanley Theater/Uptown Theater (11/30-12/5 1979) 3/9-3/10 81 Full Alpine run in 89 I doubt we'd ever see a full warfield/Radio city release, but would love to see maybe 1-2 of each in a box set (maybe 10/4, 10/14, 10/31, etc) And as many have mentioned, best of frost and/or greek would be killer A man can dream (clearly i am this morning)
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If you are pining for a '69 show, a '72 show, and two runs from the '70s along with a few '80s shows, maybe you should change your name to "fan." :-)
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....I have a parrot who is pining for the fjords. What else can you think when you hear pining.
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Did everyone get charged at time of order on this box? I did, but I spoke to someone else who did not. I called customer service and was told I would be charged when it shipped. I told her it was on my statement (not an authorization, an actual charge) and she said that should not happen. Just pokin' around to see who else got charged up front.
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Lots of great bands, we should just be mindful when we say "great" bands, we mostly mean favorite to me. I saw some said "old guard" and Allman in same breath. Old is in the eye (ear?) of the beholder. Lets not forget real "old", like Louis Armstrong's Hot 5 & 7's. Or, Red Nichols and his 5 pennies. I think Glenn Miller and Benny Goodman should be there also. For real old, how about some Sousa Band music (still with us today). More recent, Bob Willis and his Texas Playboys. In the same vein Dan Hicks and his Hot Licks. The great bands Sinatra stood in front of (nelson riddle). We are living in a time when there is so much great music available to us, maybe more than any other. Stuff that in large part has just been gone and now is back. Ever search the archive for old "78" stuff and the orchestra/bands you will find. But still, the dead were the greatest! :-)
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In between the release of more Betty boards and the MG missing tape stash, let's indeed have a few lovingly curated April '71 shows! (Then fall '72 and summer '73.) I kinda suspect that Dave's pick for the 30 Trips 1971 show (March 18) was made with this thought in mind. Keeping his options open. Anyone hear even a whisper about progress on the GD documentary that's in the works? We knew they were going to blow through 2015, but I always hoped it'd be ready for July 2016 MUATM.
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On the topic of Keith: I'm a big fan of the era spanning Keith joining and Mickey returning. These are the golden years as far as I'm concerned. The Dead didn't need two trap drummers. Maybe, just maybe, if Mickey had focused more on ancillary percussion for more texture (hey Dark Star from Live Dead, I'm looking at you), that would have been made a difference, but two drummers on straightahead rock or cowboy songs? No thanks. Two drummers in the wonderful improvisatory, exploratory ensemble that the Dead became in '71 with the addition of Keith? Not necessary. That band was a delicious balance of 5 strong players who also listened to each other: Jerry, Bobby, Phil, Billy and Keith. I think of those moments where they're wailing away out there somewhere, balanced on a thread, waiting for a push or pull to take them in another direction, and Keith was as capable of doing that as anyone else in the band. He could hang, musically, in a way that TC couldn't, and that Brent probably never really had the chance to demonstrate, because (as noted astutely earlier), the Dead just stopped playing that way. It's interesting that Billy notes how good he thought that Keith was, as there are a number of very fine Billy / Keith duets in the jams (before Drums/Space became cemented, or maybe calcified into the Dead's routine). Billy got it (yah, I'm a big fan of Billy, too). Obligatory disclaimer: I'm not dissing the band post-retirement (my first show was in '77) or Mickey or Brent or TC or anything else. I saw a bunch of shows with those folks, and enjoyed them all. It's just that the era when Keith was in the band and Mickey wasn't hits a sweet spot with me, just as Coltrane's bands with McCoy Tyner is the sweet spot for his music as far as I'm concerned.
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Oh, on the topic of great bands -- yes, I'll echo Talking Heads and REM, both of whom I saw in the Cumberland County Civic center in the 80's (twice for REM - great shows). The Doors -- kinda meh. I had the LA Woman LP in high school (won it at a school dance, yay me!) and liked Light My Fire, but once I hit on the Allmans, and then the Dead, I never really looked back. I also had Iron Butterfly and Grand Funk Railroad LPs, ditto. If you want to go in the direction of jazz, you'd better look at Miles Davis' electric ensembles of the 60's -- think Bitches Brew. For the folks hung up on the 'America' thing: if you wanna go there, remember that the US and Canada are in North America, but there's also Central and South America to add in as part of the Americas. But colloquially, we Americans use 'America' as shorthand for "The United States of America", and nobody's really confused about that usage.
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We are thinking the same in terms of Box thoughts. I was kind of thinking of a different base reason for it, however. I'd like for them to think about completing shows/runs that have been released partially. 1) The Alpine '89 run (Downhill, GD Meetup at movies) 2) The '74 Retirement Run (Steal Face, GD Movie + Soundtrack) 3) April '71 (Ladies & Gentlemen, the Grateful Dead) 4) February '70 (Bear's Choice, DP 4). (2/13-14 and 2/11). 5) At least 1 full show from the acoustic NYC/Winterland run (Dead Ahead). I know there is sometimes good reason the whole show wasn't released, but let's go back and fix that. If there isn't enough for a whole release for one show(s), then throw several songs on as filler on some of the releases. It always bugged me that 12/29/77 (DP10) and 5/22/77 (DP3) weren't full shows. The missing songs could fill one disc at least (PeggyO, Minglewood, FOTD, B.E. Women, Good Lovin, Sugar Mag. IMHBTR, Sunrise, Johnny B. Goode).
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This may not be the best place to ask this question, but does anyone out there know anything about the original Rhino version of Dick's Picks vol. 29 containing "hidden tracks". This assumes that the Real Gone edition does not have these bonus tracks. I would appreciate any information on this rumor.
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Lots of great bands mentioned. I would have to go with the Band and Dylan. Its American enough for me, remember.. they morphed from the Hawks.. Ronnie Hawkings and Levon Helm are both from Arkansas and the songwriting rings true from deep Americana. Also.. they got their name from being Dylan's band (which they were). Lots of love for Los Lobos too. A different twist on the melting pot that is Americana. You cant ignore the delta region too. I highly recommend Dennis McNally's book On Highway 61: Music, Race and the Evolution of Cultural Freedom. If that doesn't get at the core of what is American Music.. I don't know what does, and it ends with Dylan and by extension the Band.
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I heard the latest Dave's for the first time this past weekend. Really do love it, despite my shock (and no awe) at the big fluffs/miscues here and there, e.g. climax of He's Gone... garage band stuff! How fabulous to NAIL U.S. Blues in the middle of the second set, in the middle of the Summer of '74, as the essay notes. Them old U.S. Blues -- Trump won't win in a landslide per Nixon's second victory, however the U.S. is staying very '72 it seems, or perhaps worse. IT CAN HAPPEN HERE.
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@ Raindead: See my post about 130 posts prior to yours. I got charged already and took up the matter with customer service. Their reply is in my earlier post. @droidmec: The original Dick's Picks 29 had 5 hidden tr. all from Lloyd Noble Center, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK - 10/11/77. Whether they are also on the Real Gone reissue I know not.
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that the Real Gone reissue does indeed include the hidden tracks.
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I heard once that Italians refer to Canada as "Upp-a U.S."
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5/19 - NOT FADE AWAY WHARF RAT AROUND AND AROUND 5/21 - DANCIN' IN THE STREETS DIRE WOLF Estimated > Eyes and the hidden tracks make up the 2nd set if anyone cares.
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10/11/77 (Sorry, took too long to post)
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I am intrigued by 71 w/Keith vs Mickey's return. I never really noticed any marginalization of Keith with the return to two drummers but I will now compare and contrast Keith 71 vs 76-78 and The Two Drummers. I had always loved the two drum.space extravaganza. Yet I am very, very keen to pay more attention to the 'lost improvisation' of one drum and Keith. Of course I have heard shows from then but just did not pick on what was lost. The 'polish' so often mentioned of 77 still had me thinking 'wow what improvisation!' And maybe they were just phoning it in, or beginning to( calcify). To the more educated ears here, to the more tuned into this dynamic, could you recommend some 71 song sequences which demonstrate Keith's improvisatory element to compare to similar song-sequences where it is lost? Thanks. I learn a lot here. Conspicuous in its absence?!
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Stan Kenton was a band leader from the 1940s up to his passing in 1979. Famous musicians came up through his band (Maynard Ferguson, Peter Erskine, Dick Shearer). Kenton and his band had a rabid following like the Dead in the 1950's. Devoted fans were referred to Kentonites, according to my father-in-law, who was a huge Kentonite. After my father-in-law passed, I borrowed his 80 cd binder of kenton material. Pretty progressive stuff - lot of latin beats with horns. Good stuff.
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I really like all the music being mentioned. As Jim said Americana is the perfect description for The Band. I got to see Levon up at his barn in Woodstock awhile back and I'll never forget it. For anyone who's curious about Little Feat here's a link one of my favorites of theirs. It's tasty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qnn_B0xILU&list=RD1Qnn_B0xILU
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I've also been charged the full amount, appearing on my statement two days after ordering. (I've always been charged up front on past orders so thought nothing of it).
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Had to second the emotion about the Estimated Prophets coming in this new collection as I am definitely an EP junkie. I concur with the sentiment Keithfan expressed (he and I seem to always be on the same page), that the 78 Estimated outro jams were where Jerry really took off. If memory serves (I don't have the tape anymore) a fine specimen to be had is the 4-8-78 show from Jacksonville. It gets downright SPOOKY! But don't minimize the 77 Estimateds either. Just spun DP3 from 5/22 and it's a doozy as well as DP 34, 11/2 & 11/5. Both of those have Jerry tripping the light fantastic, especially 11/2, coming out of a smokin' Might As Well going into a groovy St. Stephen. And I'd be remiss not to mention the filler on DP10 from 12-30. We all know how the badassidity from that one just drips as Jerry relentlessly burns! As for the 1-2 drummer discussion, I can dig the two drummer attack, which is all I ever saw, but I have to admit, as someone else pointed out, two drummers for the cowboy tunes often ended up sounding like a pair of sneakers tumbling in the dryer. I definately prefer the 5 piece 71-74 jazz extravaganzas. Only one drummer could successfully pull that shit off properly. Kreutzmann was a beast back in the day! BOBALOOOOOOOO where are ya Brother! Peace to all.
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I would have to assume it is the same as the physical CDs. That is why there are no bonus offers anymore, the CDs are the bonus because once they sell out it's digital only.the first 15,000 get CDs, the rest get files only. I don't remember what the 1977 box cost, but are the HD flac download copies any cheaper than the CDs were? We'll find out in May when they go onsale.
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Speaking of the missing, where the H is wjond?? He promised a hi-res digital listening test.
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Keithfan hit a chord (so to speak) with me. I began keying in on those extended "Estimated" jams late last year and made notes when I came across one. I don't think anyone's mentioned DP5, and Download Series 5, 7, and 9. There also are the 1989, 1991, and 1993 shows from "30 Trips", although my impression when I listened was that Bob finally cut Jerry off during the '93 show.
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