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    July 1978: The Complete Recordings

    What's Inside:

    • Five Complete Shows on 12 discs
    • 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium: Kansas City, MO
    • 7/3/78 St. Paul Civic Center Arena: St. Paul, MN
    • 7/5/78 Omaha Civic Auditorium: Omaha, NE
    • 7/7/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
    • 7/8/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope
    Intro and show-by-show liner notes by Nicholas Meriwether
    Producer's Note by David Lemieux
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
    Release Date: May 13, 2016

    Announcing July 1978: The Complete Recordings

    We’re pleased to announce JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, five incredible unreleased shows and the first official release from the long-lost tapes, recently returned to the Grateful Dead’s vault. Follow the Dead on a sonic journey through a superb selection of settings, an often epic adventure that finds them winning over Willie and Waylon fans in Kansas City, conjuring charisma in Omaha, and elevating the Red Rocks beyond their already spiritual planes. With five distinct performances painting the masterpiece of 1978, Betty Cantor-Jackson's always-pristine soundboard recordings, and the "hall-of-fame pedigree" of the Dead's first-ever shows at the legendary Red Rocks Amphitheatre, this is one release that far exceeds excellence in music, sound quality, and rarity.

    Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS includes Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, MO (7/1/78), St. Paul Civic Center, St. Paul, MN (7/3/78), Omaha Civic Auditorium, Omaha, NE (7/5/78), and Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison CO (7/7/78 and 7/8/78) - all of the performances in this collection are drawn from the band’s master soundboard recordings, each newly mastered by Jeffrey Norman. The set also features original artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope (D.C. and Marvel comics) and in-depth liner notes written by Nick Meriwether (Grateful Dead Archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz), as well as a producer’s note from producer David Lemieux.

    Due May 13th, we anticipate that this extraordinary box will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here.

    Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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  • KeithFan2112
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    What peaked in ’78 – now that’s a worthy discussion. Yeah, ’78 is interesting, isn’t it. The set lists are damn close to ’77, at least until you get to the Fall, with the Shakedown Street material. Well, I guess as a starting point, I’ll go with the songs in the set lists for this here July 1978: The Complete Recordings box set (I love the sound of it, drooling here just talking about it). At least the tracks that I think had some notable moments in 1978: Bertha – kinda sort of peaked, at least as far as post-hiatus performances go. I like it best in 1972, as I do most of those older tunes. Veneta is probably my favorite, and most of the E72 versions are in the same ballpark. Like a lot of songs, it kind of mellowed in the ’74 versions (or at least it sounds mellow in the recordings we now have of it). Post-hiatus though, I like the 1978 versions best, as Jerry started delivering a biting, aggressive solo, and the Wolf’s sharp mid-range tone makes this one a rocker again. So maybe it didn’t “peak” in ’78 per se, but it returned to the forefront as a rocker. The Spring ’77 versions are just ok to me – they seem to be tame compared to what they would become in ’78. DaP 12 (Alright Hamilton!) and DP 10 in late ’77 start to pick up the aggression again, and then DP 18 and DaP 15 (Sleeper of ’78) are hot, as far as official releases, and 1/30 is hot on the soundboards. From Egypt With Love has a decent Bertha. I’d be remiss in my post-hiatus Bertha coverage if I didn’t mention DP 20, which has Keith in “rolling thunder” mode on the piano – love it. Cassidy – this is one of my favorite Bobby tunes, and it seemed to get better every year they played it, culminating in my favorite performance from DaP 7, 4/24/78 (Return To Normal with the Grateful Dead). Other great April versions are 4/10 at the Fox and 4/16 in Huntington, WV. I also enjoy DP 25 and 30 Trips ’78. What makes 1978 great: smooth and tight every time; Jerry’s solos step up from “feeling around” to “command and control”; Keith’s piano accompaniment has largely migrated from rhythmic chords to improvisational melodies (particularly during the Fare Thee Be Well Now arrangement); the outro jam section after FTBWN is smoother, longer and faster, with Jerry leading the charge for several more bars than earlier versions; but here’s where it really kicks ass time and again - Bobby & Donna have mastered the song as a vocal duet by 1978, and their timing and harmony is precise – really just beautiful every time. There are some great ’77 versions as well, but I think ’78 is when they peaked and the song reached its fullest potential. Estimated Prophet – The Jerry solo that takes hold around 3:45 or so and only in 1978 goes on for a minute and forty seconds typically, I think as long as two minutes on one of the soundboards I have. I also like the back-to-basics electric piano sound Keith employs, and the Dick’s Picks 18 mix is my favorite. But the outro jam also goes on and on in ’78, and the song times in at the 12 – 15 range, where it was only ranging from 8 – 11 minutes in ’77. Longer = better in Dead Land. The Music Never Stopped – The jam at 3:45 or so also goes on for two minutes, not so unlike Estimated Prophet. And it’s a great arrangement that they began developing in late ’77, coming to a face melting climax on DaP 7 (Return to Normal with the Grateful Dead) and DP 18. Donna also perfected her delivery of this one to its utmost in 1978. Just listen to her deliver some of these lines like “There’s a band out on the highway” and “Greet the morning air with song” – it’s fantastic, and it got much better with each year. Similar to Cassidy, she and Bobby reach a synchronicity with the co-delivery of the vocals on this one that is better and better with each tour. And then there’s the ending jam to this one, which also reaches its peak in ’78. I enjoy a lot of ’77 versions too, but it’s ’78 where all of this Dead things come together. Franklin’s Tower – what?? WHAT??? Ok, I enjoy the Holy Trinity as much as the next Dead Head, and it’s a damn shame they don’t play it in 1978 – or is it? Take a listen to 4/10/78 out of Stella Blue or 1/30/78 out of Drums. 4/10 is nearly flawless and it goes places that no former version went; 1/30 has an audience patch for just about 30 seconds before the vocals, and there are some missed lines by Jerry, but the music is all balls. Those two clock in at 13:37 and 17:09, so you’re getting your money’s worth. They really rocked this song up a notch in ’78, and while I’ll be the first to admit, this song fell victim to the ’78 sloppies at times, but they really hit the ball out of the park on a few of these, and unfortunately, you wouldn’t know it unless you’re a soundboard collector, as there are no officially release 1978 versions of Franklin’s Tower….until we get our dirty filthy hands on the July 1978 Complete Recordings box set in two months. I have not listened to the Red Rocks version, but I’m praying it’s even better than the couple I mentioned. I admit, it’s a new love affair for me, Franklin’s Tower circa ’78, so it will be interesting to see if I change my mind after revisiting ’76 and ’77. I’m massively disappointed that the new Dave’s Picks shows from ’76 do not have a version, but Red Rocks may quench that fire, we’ll see. Deal – I prefer the one drummer versions, especially the 1972 renditions, so like Bertha, I think the real peak is ’72; but for post-hiatus, ’78 is where Donna goes off the hook, don’t you let that deEEAAL go down style ending. I like it. Terrapin Station – I’m not sure. There are some extended passages in the Closing of Winterland version that I really like, but I don’t have enough ’78 Terrapin yet. We’ll say “possibly peaked in ‘78” on this one, and revisit after the box release. The ’77 versions are almost all perfect, but there’s something about that Winterland 12/31/78 version that grabs me, and while it’s my favorite version, I’m not sure that it’s consistent across ’78, and therefore worthy of saying it peaked. The Other One - for post-hiatus versions, it peaked in ’78 for sure. One listen to Dick’s Picks 18 and From Egypt with Love ought to firm that up. Wharf Rat – again, ’72 is the year if I had to pick one year, but it definitely had a revival in ’78 that made ’78 the king of post-hiatus Wharf Rat. Some good ’77 versions, but I think the Wolf brings out those spacey opening chords like I need to hear them, and the outro jam is hot hot hot (especially 4/22/78, the Sleeper of ’78) The Wheel – need more ’78 versions! But nothing comes close to Dick’s Picks 18, and the Wolf is largely the reason once again. I admit, I’m banking it all on this one version, but it’s that much better: the dreamy magic carpet ride that Jerry and Keith take you on for the first minute before the chorus kicks in is sublime, face melting, Deadness. And this song is to Jerry and Donna what Cassidy is to Bobby and Donna by ’78 – a masterful duet. ’76 had those drum intros that completely change the mood, and not for the good, which is presumably why Jerry did away with it in lieu of the guitar intro. ’76 did have a couple of long running jams at the tail end (30 Trips ’76 & So Many Roads), and you don’t get that from Dick’s Picks 18, but it’s not really The Wheel at that point anyway, so no need to feel like you’re missing that if go with ’78 for the desert island – simply cut the ends off of those versions and call them Jam. DaP 1 and DP 29 are two great ’77 versions that come close to the 2/3/78 gold standard that is DP 18, but not quite there. If you’re not familiar, put it on loud and maybe turn up the treble. Who Are You – never sounded better than ’78, except maybe that blistering live version from MSG after 9/11. Townshend’s guitar was on 11 with some extra cowbell that night. But outside of that live performance, the studio version right on Who Are You is the only place you need to……wait a minute…..
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    ...with a psychedelic-painted face nonchalantly hooked her arm through mine...on a city street in Atlanta, GA in 1973. "Wanna see Zappa?" she asked. I knew Frank existed, but had never seen him live. "Sure," I said. "Here," she said, "swallow this." (Stupidly trustful?) I swallowed it...and followed her to the Fox Theater. She neither had nor showed a ticket. She eyed some guy at the door, who let us both in. On we walked...and walked...down the center aisle...and sat in the first row. Then Frank came out...with Napoleon Murphy Brock, George Duke and the rest. This was the greatest concert I ever saw. Frank was standing right in front of me...and he seemed 10 feet tall. The highlight was "Dog Breath," if you know the song, it starts out with 3 chords: hit hard four times...then five chords: pow pow pow pow pow! It was during those transcendent chords that I actually had the feeling of leaving my body...with no sense of panic. When the concert ended, the entire audience IMMEDIATELY stood up as one and demanded an encore that could not be denied...or forgotten!
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    Yes, to 3/21 and 3/22! We definitely got the 2 best shows as complete ones, as well as the rest of the jams on the bonus discs, but I bet if those shows were recovered today, it would have been box set treatment. I was recently fortunate enough to score the Rockin' The Rhein AOM Bonus Disc as well as New Year's Eve At Winterland. I can't get enough of the AOM one. It truly is a One Disc Wonder, perhaps the best example of one. What are some other ODWs? Of the top of my head, DP16 Disc 2 is a the one that gives AOM Bonus a run for it's money.
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    Yes, to 3/21 and 3/22! We definitely got the 2 best shows as complete ones, as well as the rest of the jams on the bonus discs, but I bet if those shows were recovered today, it would have been box set treatment. I was recently fortunate enough to score the Rockin' The Rhein AOM Bonus Disc as well as New Year's Eve At Winterland. I can't get enough of the AOM one. It truly is a One Disc Wonder, perhaps the best example of one. What are some other ODWs? Of the top of my head, DP16 Disc 2 is a the one that gives AOM Bonus a run for it's money.
  • Moses Quasar
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    Groovin to 3/22/72. this AOM run is freakin awesome! Should have been a box set somehow! 3/21 is a really good show also! The PITB absolutely smokes! Great all around! ;)
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    I teach history, and I'm from Kansas City originally - I've seen many a Chiefs game at Arrowhead. Thus, I feel compelled to add some historic context for the July 1 Arrowhead show. Enjoy. Video: The band Missouri playing "Hold Me" at Arrowhead 7/1/78. Some great crowd/stadium footage (good performance too): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3uHya-Mc8U Poster: http://www.postertrip.com/members/images/3566a.jpg From "The History of Willie Nelson's Fourth of July Picnics": Willie played concerts at the Austin Opry House on July 4 and 5, billing both shows as Picnics. He also played a July 2 show at Texxas Jam in Dallas and a July 1 show in Kansas City, Mo. The traditional Picnic was still cooling its heels when Willie suggested having one at the Opry House to manager Tim O'Connor, and it proved to be a welcome respite from the heat and lawsuits. A few days earlier in Dallas, 25,000 didn't quite pack the Cotton Bowl ... and Willie admitted it just wasn't the same: "It's too controlled," he told the Washington Post. "I liked it better when it was out in the pasture." The July 1 event in Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City was billed as a "Fourth of July Picnic," but is notable because the short lineup included the Grateful Dead. "We didn't have an outdoor location, and it was at a time when we had to kind of stay out of Texas. ... It was two nights and it was the coolest Picnic we ever had," said Tim O'Connor of the indoor mini-Picnics in a 1987 interview with the Statesman. http://stillisstillmoving.com/willienelson/the-history-of-willie-nelson…
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    As much as I've agreed with almost all of the bands listed so far, it is, in the end, a truly subjective exercise and primarily a function of personal taste. That said, I'd add the following American artists, who I don't recall seeing posted, as not only great, but important and influential (if overlooked in some cases). The Blasters Captain Beefheart Dispatch/State Radio Dylan Johnny Cash Galactic Hot Tuna Patti Smith Television Tom Waits Muddy Waters Chris Whitley Johnny Winter Wilco No doubt many others...to each his own.
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    Thanks for mentioning Tool! I have loved them for a long time. A Perfect Circle, Maynard's side project band is also a favorite. I will always listen to the bands I loved when I was 19 years old. PJ Harvey Jane's Addiction Nine Inch Nails Ministry Depeche Mode The Smiths Joy Division All the Seattle Bands of the early 90's. Red Hot Chili Peppers 311 Metallica Just to name a few....
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    A classic show with a classic lineup of the Mothers. It's the 50the anniversary of Freak Out in June and I've been going back through his catalog since January. I find the early stuff difficult to listen to, but the Teen Rock Combo years in the late 70's right to the last tour in 1988 has some amazing live music in circuation.
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    These lists have been great but it's disappointing I haven't seen T00L anywhere on these lists. With all the psychedelics, weird music and fun deadheads like to have it is always a surprise to find so few T00L fans in he dead scene. They even mention the band in a song of theirs, while it is rather tongue in cheek nonetheless it's there :) Seriously, start seeing them live and save some paper from Dead tour to take with you. Pleases and thank yous. Other notables not on a list yet and I'm sticking with rock (mostly) only too in an effort to be expedient. Kyuss Converge Heavy Blanket Voyag3r Dillinger escape plan Brian Jonestown Massacre Sleep The New Deal Nightmares on wax Morphine Das Muerte Faith No more Mr. Bungle Buckethead Nevermen
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July 1978: The Complete Recordings

What's Inside:

• Five Complete Shows on 12 discs
• 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium: Kansas City, MO
• 7/3/78 St. Paul Civic Center Arena: St. Paul, MN
• 7/5/78 Omaha Civic Auditorium: Omaha, NE
• 7/7/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
• 7/8/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope
Intro and show-by-show liner notes by Nicholas Meriwether
Producer's Note by David Lemieux
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
Release Date: May 13, 2016

Announcing July 1978: The Complete Recordings

We’re pleased to announce JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, five incredible unreleased shows and the first official release from the long-lost tapes, recently returned to the Grateful Dead’s vault. Follow the Dead on a sonic journey through a superb selection of settings, an often epic adventure that finds them winning over Willie and Waylon fans in Kansas City, conjuring charisma in Omaha, and elevating the Red Rocks beyond their already spiritual planes. With five distinct performances painting the masterpiece of 1978, Betty Cantor-Jackson's always-pristine soundboard recordings, and the "hall-of-fame pedigree" of the Dead's first-ever shows at the legendary Red Rocks Amphitheatre, this is one release that far exceeds excellence in music, sound quality, and rarity.

Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS includes Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, MO (7/1/78), St. Paul Civic Center, St. Paul, MN (7/3/78), Omaha Civic Auditorium, Omaha, NE (7/5/78), and Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison CO (7/7/78 and 7/8/78) - all of the performances in this collection are drawn from the band’s master soundboard recordings, each newly mastered by Jeffrey Norman. The set also features original artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope (D.C. and Marvel comics) and in-depth liner notes written by Nick Meriwether (Grateful Dead Archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz), as well as a producer’s note from producer David Lemieux.

Due May 13th, we anticipate that this extraordinary box will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here.

Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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Those pagans knew how to cook up some holiday's.. Thanks for the history lesson. D.Davis, great BCT nugget in your blog.. Brent was wasted, so what. They play that show from time to time on SiriusXM. Its got its moments. Can't believe you were living walking distance to the BCT.
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Gary - hope you enjoy that '79 one all over again! Another released one that I think is killer is the Hartford '90 TOO box. Very powerful start to the show and the energy sets the tone for much of the first set. Regretfully I had to pass on the 30 trips but that '79 Dancin>Franklins was also released on that 1st road trips and I think its funky synth awesome... totally shows what Brent brought to the table.
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Have had 90too for 6+ months and havent opened it yet. I am so ready...Did the dancin franklins tonight, funky
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Agree with my fellow Washingtonian Stoltzfus, 8.28.81 - Long Beach, best Shakedown.
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....happened to me earlier today. Broke out Queen's Sheer Heart Attack and Metallica's Ride The Lightning....both classics....
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Interesting topic...For me, I never tire of 1972. Coincidentally, It's also the year I have the most recordings/partial shows of (looks like 37). However, I am especially smitten with the 30 Trips Winterland Tax Day 1970 show. This and Harpur College(Dick's Picks Vol 8) a few weeks later, are in my estimation, amongst their best ever performances(the Winterland Dancin' is incredible), and I'd love to hear a Dave's Picks, or a box from this part of 1970. Looking forward to hearing the '78 box. Say, isn't it kinda early in the year for the annual Boxset to appear? 15,000 copies also seems a tad high, so I don't expect it to sell out quickly(no resale market)...will make great Xmas present too. Has anyone else tried to access a lyric on the "Annotated Grateful Dead Lyrics by David Dodd" an got an error page. Sad if this excellent resource has been lost in the ether.
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Underrated because of it's uneven performances. 5/10-11/78 is one of my least-listened-to releases. It's not BAD, it's just got nothing that jumps out at me. 4/24/78 is another that I don't pick up very often (although TMNS and Scarlet-Fire are top-notch on that one). Really love 2/3-5/78, 4/22/78, 5/14/78, and 12/31/78. And, of course, this box promises to get a lot of play. 7/7-8/78 have long been favorites, and this sample from 7/1 has me very excited. Regarding the best Shakedown, the one on RT 1.1 always jumped out at me; a GREAT performance in an otherwise lackluster release.
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the Shakedown from Road Trips 4.4 (4/6/82) has the most listens in my google play account. It's pretty funky..
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I don't think I've been this happy in a long time. Thanks Dead.net! :-)P.S. I visited Red Rocks last week and definitely felt the magic there. Wow!!
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I don't know if I do absorb so much stuff. I just listen to a lot of stuff, not a lot of most, but some of all. I can sit at the computer and drop 30 different things in the playlist that have nothing to do with each other. I can be listening to Al Jolson's "Anniversary Song", swing over to Ice-T's "Mind over Matter", and many other non connected songs. Just got in (used from amazon) "The Many Faces of The Detergents", because I wanted to hear "Double-O-7" and I only have it in a 45. Bonus - Had a song (instrumental) called "The Blue Kangaroo" on it. I have this in a 45 also, hadn't thought of it in 45 years, but when it played I was like "wow". Sometimes when I'm working in the yard or garage I'll put on everything from an artist and hit shuffle. Hell I got albums of French "yeye" (60's French pop that I play and I don't speak French! (but I did recognize Noir C'est Noir) Back in the LP days when someone was over I pull out an album and say "you gotta hear this", that song was barely over and I'd be pulling another album out for something else they had to hear. When they left there be 30 albums out. A lot of times I don't even finish a song when my brain makes a connection to some other song to play. I don't know I can't explain it. I ALWAYS have a song playing in my head, ALWAYS! Also while listening to almost non-stop songs, I'm always listening to an audio book. When doing neither I'm generally watching old movies on TCM. In any event, check out your ILL, sometimes I search the ILL just for "box set" or "collection" or "greatest hits". I figure if I'm gonna pay a 2.50 fee, I might as well get as much as I can. Got a great Duke Ellington collection that way, 24 cd's. Have a bunch of Odetta coming in, based on talks in this forum. Somebody else mentioned Stan Kenton, found a half-dozen of his albums available. So much music, so little time. What a great time to live in if varied music is your thing. I remember when I was young I hit a department store (like Bradlees or Grants or Two Guys) and there be only two long bins of choices, then Sam Goody's came along and I was like wow, then I found Sam Goody's could ORDER albums for you, double wow. Then Amazon,,,,, Heaven! Then the library and ILL, free heaven! If any interest in doing some trading PM me.
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away by 10/12/84. Heard the Stranger last evening...shazam! 8484848484848484848484 please dave big box i predict will be GREEK BOX that would be a nice box
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Yup. Best modern day Stranger, Cold Rain and Dew in the same show. TMNS also, but debatable. Many may disagree. None who were there will.
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Yup. Best modern day Stranger, Cold Rain and Dew in the same show. TMNS also, but debatable. Many may disagree. None who were there will.
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Yup. Best modern day Stranger, Cold Rain and Dew in the same show. TMNS also, but debatable. Many may disagree. None who were there will.
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I like 6/30/85, Dead Set, and 11/24/78 versions of Shakedown best, but I haven't heard too many - wish there more released from the Keith Godchaux era, because while Egypt '78 is good, it's the only official one with him on it. I saw a post about someone only going to buy the Red rocks show, not the whole box - now THAT is some discipline! I approached Europe 72 that way, and before I knew it I had them all. Speaking of Europe 72, I listened to most of 4/7, the starter show today. Greatest Story is rockin'. So is China Cat, Truckin' TOO, and there's a really cool Wharf Rat. Ramblin Rose & Sugar Mags excellent - This show doesn't get talked about much, but it's great!
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This has been bothering me for a while and just curious if anyone has any input. When people bring up the amount of "limited" edition numbers (such as the 15,000 in this case of the 78 Box) and their ooncerns it just makes me shake my head sometimes. For example the Fare Thee Well Tour you had hundreads of thousands of people willing to shell out money for tickets to the show, plane tickets, Hotel reservations, rental cars, food, and all the other extras which runs into at least a thousand or more dollars, that these things don't sell out faster. To me the music is a no brainer you have that for the rest of your life. It also amazes me when I get talking to someone about the band because of a shirt or hat the other party is wearing and they show all this enthusiam and I ask a simple question like "what do you think of the Daves Pick series and they say what's that?? I scratch my head. This has happened not once or twice but a lot of times. Sorry for my little bitch session....I just apreciate how a lot of you are well versed and really dive into the releases that happen here and that we are very lucky to have no matter what year it is from.
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A lot of people I talked to who were at Fare Thee Well seemed like they wanted to be there so they could say they went and not so they could go. Those were the same people that complained about the Dead and co. shows because "the band said that was it, and I spent all this money to go now I wasn't at the last show (spoiled sobbing)." Unfortunately many still go just for the party and the bragging right, not the music.
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Kevin, you yourself are part of a limited edition. We are incurably fanatical about this band, but we are limited in number. There are many, many more who enjoy the music but are not so interested as to visit this site on a near-daily basis. Of course, if you don't come here, you don't buy most of the music releases because they are only available through this site. In fact, if you don't visit this site, the chances are you do not know of the existence of the Dave's Picks series etc. Then again, if you are not fanatical then you would probably have little interest in multiple releases of live performances from 20-50 years ago. Rhino are fully aware of the situation, which is why when a real gem gets released (Sunshine daydream, Wake up to find out, the forthcoming Red Rocks etc.) they also put these out to retail - Amazon and the like - because these releases are likely to be of interest to the more casual Dead fan and they will sell more copies. Rhino also know very well how many units will sell, which is why they only produce a certain number. Putting things like "Limited edition" in big letters at the top of the page means everyone is somewhat panicked into buying quickly, but they are targetting the same limited number of die-hards that you and I are part of. I suspect that our numbers are always lower than the numbers produced and it then takes awhile to sell the rest of the production run. Reseller/scalper interest will also have an effect on how quickly a limited edition sells out.
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Dire hit it right on the head, to large numbers it's only the image of the scene. The people who talk thru whole shows, the guy who's past out thru the whole show from heavy drinking all day (only to wake up to yell "Jerry" during the quietest part of a song) But this is really a part of modern life (maybe it's always been that way) to be seen doing "hip" or "cool" things. (is only hip or cool because we like it?) Then again, most people don't buy music in bulk, period. When at other peoples house check and see how much they have. Most don't have much. Sometimes I think books are even lower on the have side. My wife is a reader and I can tell you we have BOOKS! Greatest invention for those people "kindle". Now she has tons of books she carries with her. For me it was the invention of MP3, the only proof of a god I know of :-) Fortunately with the advent of internet it's easy to find people who share an interest (whatever it may be). I'm lucky that I have several people in my life who have a passion for music (not all deadheads, but like a lot of music), but I push to find these people and seek to find what music moves people. I'm always singing and talking in song to flesh out where people stand. My neighbor behind me (who I don't have a lot in common with) would talk 50's groups and early 60's groups all the time. He wouldn't know a pink Floyd song, but he'd know a coasters song. Sorry rambling again,, but Dire you pulled the perfect line out, it's 1 in 10,000....
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GFar it appears I am a little late to this party but it seems our Super-Brain has reared it's mighty head in some form on these Shakedowns. I'm not so familiar with some of the early/mid-80's Shakedowns being offered but they sound like they pack the requisite punch. For a great Keith-flavored Shakedown, I always enjoyed these two from late '78. The first, Jerry has laryngitis, but it is a pretty sweet Shakedown out of Estimated - 11/24/78. Keith is prominent: https://archive.org/details/gd1978-11-24.pre-fm.miller.87642.sbeok.flac… This second one is pretty super-funky with Jerry making some mad runs in the jam at the end, again Keith quite prominent, 11/20/78: https://archive.org/details/gd1978-11-20.sbd.miller.95244.sbeok.flac16 Rainy Monday in Boston, looking forward to some spring-like weather around here sooon. Sixtus
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Surprised no mention of 11.20.78 - Cleveland Music Hall - what a sequence - 5 stars 12.30.78 - Pauley Pavilion, UCLA - Killer set, killer show from near the end of era. One of the finest shows before a New Years gig Nearly a year later, a return to Pauley Pavilion at UCLA would bring another killer set, killer show - 11.25.79 - Lots of primo stuff here along with a 2nd set opener "Shakedown Street -> Bertha", dont miss this one A week and half later, far from the sunshine of LA, "Shakedown Street" is performed for the faithful - 12.5.79 - Uptown Theatre - Chicago, IL. One of the finest from the era
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Yes, 11/20 sounds pretty good, although I don't have a great copy of it. I would listen to more versions if I had more great sounding copies. As it stands, 11/24 out of Estimated is the best sounding one I have. My exact point though - it would be awesome if they released more shows with Shakedown from the Godchaux era. I doubt very much they would ever do something like, but it would be cool to have (i.e. multiple live versions of the same song on one CD). As it stands, we only have 1 Shakedown Street, 1 From the Heart of Me, and 3 Stagger Lee / I Need A Miracle. As they just released DaP 15 and July '78 box is on the horizon, I doubt we'll hear much new '78 for quite some time. So how about some Jan / Feb '79 for DaP 20........
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Is everybody else getting charged for this right when they order? In the past I remember them charging me when it shipped. I now have a charge that isn't just pending, but went through awhile back on my card. Is this the new way they're doing these pre-orders?
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Kevin, I've wondered the same thing about that disparity. I do not disagree with direwulf and Dennis - but I do think there is a more positive reason for many people who go to shows like FTW, but don't come to this site, know about archival releases, etc: I suspect for many it's a matter of choosing direct experience over recordings. One could even say it's more positive - I wonder about my collecting mania when it comes to these releases. I like having the release for years to come, makes sense to me. But, to others that may seem misguided, since it also limits my budget for live concerts in the here and now. I'd rather hear the 1978 band or the 1981 band over the 2015 band - but I totally understand the opposite view - why listen to old recordings when you can go to a show? I've had people express amazement that I would spend 100 bucks on a box set, but they'll drop that amount on drinks and apps at a pub without blinking - which to me feels like burning money. It's all good...
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Match that up against anything you have ever heard and tell me which reins supreme. And just for sharing...where the heck is 1980 Alaska; High Auditorium? I write Dave all the time and he never responds. Might be the absolute tightest you hear of the boys - Black Peter, Stella, Estimated and so on! For the novelty could we please get the '83 Jamaica show? I heard it wasn't so great (430AM-7AM on an airplane strip), but I would like to own it. '78 is quietly better to me than '77 because they condense to smaller venues. Give me '78, '80, '82 from post 1975. Puff
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can`t remember when for me was the last time to drink down a hundred bucks - i count in CDs and books , so that means an average of 4-6 CDs or 3 - 5 hardcover books. OOps i forgot , i`m a smoker still and a pack of cigs cost an average of 5 bucks here....well , i`d do both - go to shows of Bobby and Phil and collect the old stuff but i can`t here in Austria....
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i`m still thankful - Dennis sent me a Furthur show via Dropbox - for some new technical stuff and yet frustrated cause there are some new medias i have problems to get by with and - what counts more - haven`t got the time to digitalize my physical collection of thousands of CDs and LPs. I know i`ll have to soon - otherwise i risk that in the future a good portion of the discs has scars et c.
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Yep, sad to say everyone is getting charged when they order rather than at shipping time. I contacted customer service about this and they replied: "Due to the various payment issues with the Fare Thee Well box set, the company has decided to capture the funds of the pre-orders the morning after they are placed. We had quite a few issues where the item was shipped, but the funds were not captured due to expired authorizations, insufficient funds, etc." This raises a number of issues, but I didn't consider it reasonable to charge for expensive items such as this weeks before the item is released, so I contacted Dr. Rhino on the matter and although he didn't have a lot to say, he did say this: "There may be exceptions to this policy, for certain future releases. We will also review our communications, regarding the implementation of this policy." So there you have it. Typically we will now be charged when we place a (pre)order rather than at shipping time.
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Saw the Experience Hendrix 2016 show last Friday at Casino Ballroom in Hampton Beach NH. Always a good show. Featured guitarists: Dweezil Zappa, Quinn Sullivan, Eric Johnson, Zakk Wylde, Jonny Lang, Mato Nanji, Kenny Wayne Shepard, Buddy Guy. If they do a summer tour - check it out... Quinn Sullivan is a 16 year old kid from New Bedford MA, very impressed with his skills at that age. Zakk was Wylde.
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attended and remember being underwhelmed...it was first show since my first show 7/18/82. listening to it today on archive. sounds better than I recall (33 years later)
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I see my friends do it all the time, but when it comes to spending on money with other stuff, HAHA you better not ask them At the local bar I go to quite often, yesterday a regular noticed my Grateful Dead shirt while he was smoking and said "the Grateful Dead !" I smiled and said "you like the tee huh ?" http://www.gdao.org/items/show/283747 He quickly leaned down to lift his jeans above ankle to show he has a killer tattoo with skeleton wearing top hat smoking cigar. Just looking at his tattoo I could tell he was a true fan, but I would certainly bet money he has no idea of the new releases, Daves Picks and other box sets. Definetely not the first person I have encountered at this bar that is a fan of GD, but does not really keep tabs on them lately
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When you mentioned this show and a Charlie miller soundboard I had to check my copy and see if it was up to snuff,,, it was. Though all the talk is Shakedown I turned to It Must Have Been the Roses. Has this song gotten much talk? I love this song, the feeling of nostalgic melancholy really grabs hold and I like older Jerry voice on it, it's softer and has more "looking back" in it. I have wondered over the years,,, is Annie dead? Did she lay down from being overworked and past? I feel the people are not moneyed since glass is missing from the window. Time has certainly passed since the ribbons have faded. And what do you think she told him? (if I tell another what your own lips told to me) Is it just "I love you"? Great song.
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Do the GD almost always follow a "sad" song with a "happy" song?
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In my not too knowledgable opinion, I don't consider any GD songs sad. The slow songs, ballads perhaps, always strike me as reflective. Like Days Between for instance- a song that is full of wisdom and imagery. It doesn't seem like a "sad" song- more like a wise song. My interpretation is do the GD often follow a slow song with a faster paced song- and yes they do. Suppose it's part of the ebb and flow that make the concerts such a great experience.
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A few months ago I had a great moment. My son, 26 years old with a good musical ear, but not a Dead Head, heard a Shakedown I had from somewhere. He came running into my room and said "Where has this been my whole life"! All I could do was smile, smile, smile! Rock on
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Purple - that's hilarious - I do that to (counting in CDs, books, etc). Of course, now that I have a kid I also count in things like tuition savings, ha. But in my head, it will also be in units of music and reading. As for spending 100 bucks in a pub, oh it's easy. Buy a few drinks for friends, round of apps... doesn't take long (but okay, maybe 50 bucks!). My wife's aunt had an extra ticket to see Kansas the other night at a wonderful old theater here in western Mass (they were actually fantastic - some super tight prog-rock, I enjoyed the hell out of it). Since I didn't pay for my ticket, I bought one drink for myself, and a total of three glasses of wine for the folks who gave me the ticket. That cost me 36 bucks! when you count the tips (this was a fundraiser but still). ...
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Hey Puffbecker - good call on the Alaska box. I've been whining about that for years, bring on "The Grateful Dead in the Land of the Midnight Sun." I love that run. And Deadegad's September '79 box too! :)
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The Beer tastes have grown and changed over the years . I think the possible scenario is they had plenty of production time for everything from (from encrypting the cds to printing up the books and/or programs)a. The orders start coming in and sales look pretty good. Then it's learned San Jose'(?) isn't going to be included and then to add insult to injury concerts with BW,BK,MH and John Mayer are announced. In order to say "Fare Thee Well"" you have to go somewhere! I think Rhino jumped the gun on this one and started production of the components before everything was known and well thought out.
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Interesting take on Must Have Been the Roses; in fact I had never given it very much thought but your idea of death is an interesting one and it seems you're not the first to think this. A brief search brought this up on a like-minded board: http://gratefuldead.tribe.net/thread/2a059d9a-2516-4f22-9dbc-52d39ef5a8… And in terms of playing slower songs followed by more upbeat songs, as mentioned by Zuck, this was a pretty conscious decision by the band and would help with those peaks and valleys they led us All through. Makes for some sweet juxtapositions and tugging at your soul. I almost always find, too, that these 'slower songs', when played well, will crescendo into something nearly explosive - a power that only the GD could summon regularly. Sixtus
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The Beer tastes have grown and changed over the years, but it's still fun to have one every now and then I think the possible scenario is they had plenty of production time for everything (from encrypting the cds to printing up the books and/or programs). The orders start coming in and sales look pretty good. Then it's learned San Jose'(?) isn't going to be included and then to add insult to injury concerts with BW,BK,MH and John Mayer are announced. In order to say "Fare Thee Well"" you have to go somewhere! I think Rhino jumped the gun on this one and started production of the components before everything was known and well thought out. I think it's more than likely they'll have box a sets for some time to come...
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I gotta agree with Mr stulzfus. A bad Shakedown is hard to find. I listened to 4 Shakedowns this morning with my coffee, (6/30/85, Egypt, 8/13/79, 3/30/87) and every one of them sounded fantastic. Trying to pick one over the other would have been splitting a very fine hair.
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Living where I do, I have the opportunity to entertain a lot. Usually interesting people but not necessarily heads.. I get the what do you see in the GD question a lot. Most people just don't get it and when you do put it on, they talk over it anyway.. so I don't give it much attention these days, but if someone asks me to put it on, I will and if I'm in the mood I will put it on just because I want to. So one of my buddies came to me about a month ago and said, "Hey.. they played this GD song on the radio on my way home from work that I really liked. It sounded a bit disco." I replied Shakedown Street and got a YES, that's the song answer. For some reason that song does have a crossover appeal, even people that despise disco like it and refer to it as having a disco beat. I will call that the hbob factor. Even the Dukes of September covered it. Oh, I agree with the others, its hard to find a bad shakedown. So long as Jerry keeps his vocals together, it always has the potential to be a smoker.
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