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    July 1978: The Complete Recordings

    What's Inside:

    • Five Complete Shows on 12 discs
    • 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium: Kansas City, MO
    • 7/3/78 St. Paul Civic Center Arena: St. Paul, MN
    • 7/5/78 Omaha Civic Auditorium: Omaha, NE
    • 7/7/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
    • 7/8/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope
    Intro and show-by-show liner notes by Nicholas Meriwether
    Producer's Note by David Lemieux
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
    Release Date: May 13, 2016

    Announcing July 1978: The Complete Recordings

    We’re pleased to announce JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, five incredible unreleased shows and the first official release from the long-lost tapes, recently returned to the Grateful Dead’s vault. Follow the Dead on a sonic journey through a superb selection of settings, an often epic adventure that finds them winning over Willie and Waylon fans in Kansas City, conjuring charisma in Omaha, and elevating the Red Rocks beyond their already spiritual planes. With five distinct performances painting the masterpiece of 1978, Betty Cantor-Jackson's always-pristine soundboard recordings, and the "hall-of-fame pedigree" of the Dead's first-ever shows at the legendary Red Rocks Amphitheatre, this is one release that far exceeds excellence in music, sound quality, and rarity.

    Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS includes Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, MO (7/1/78), St. Paul Civic Center, St. Paul, MN (7/3/78), Omaha Civic Auditorium, Omaha, NE (7/5/78), and Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison CO (7/7/78 and 7/8/78) - all of the performances in this collection are drawn from the band’s master soundboard recordings, each newly mastered by Jeffrey Norman. The set also features original artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope (D.C. and Marvel comics) and in-depth liner notes written by Nick Meriwether (Grateful Dead Archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz), as well as a producer’s note from producer David Lemieux.

    Due May 13th, we anticipate that this extraordinary box will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here.

    Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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  • Ken Goodman
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    Newly discovered (by me) at local coffee shop...90's album byBrian Jonestown Massacre : "Their Satanic Majesties Second Request." Terrific example of trippy hypnotic drone music wherein vocals do not distract listeners from creative/artistic concentration. Kewl stuff!
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    Thanks wharfratx - as much as I love the Closing Of Winterland, I don't recall the Johnny B. Good on that one.
  • wharfrattx
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    Keithfan, lovin' the play by plays but don't forget about the JBG encore from 12-31-78! Jerry is positively blazing! Check out the Closing of Winterland DVD. Never a more animated Garcia will you ever see! Butter!
  • KeithFan2112
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    Day 6 / Europe '72 / April 17, 1972 Night #2 at the Tivoli Theater, of course, was the night the Dead were recorded for television. If you thought these guys would be a little stiff in front of the cameras, think again. As the liner notes point out, they had no problem mugging for the cameras in clown masks or introducing a new song (He's Gone). Yeah, that's pretty loose. They even opened the show with a song that hadn't been played on the tour yet; for fuck's sake, if you're going to dust off a song, put it in the second set after you've warmed up! But if there's any question still - the onstage banter about monitor levels after Next Time You See Me will put all doubts to rest. This is not how a band plagued by nerves behaves. It's the type of thing that seasoned Dead Heads are used to by now, but to put the moment into historical context with the TV cameras and the overseas crowd, it demonstrates that the stage is their home, and it doesn't matter what country that stage is in, who is watching them, or whether or not their behavior is being immortalized on TV. Home is where you're comfortable being yourself, and they pull this shit all the time. 4/17 is one of my go-to shows from April. It should be noted early on that Keith Godchaux is high in the mix again, and he's having a typically good night. They open the show with a Cold Rain & Snow that is hands-down my favorite of all time. I initially came to know this song as the opener from Steppin' Out with the Grateful Dead: England '72 (taken from the E72 show at the Lyceum on 5/24). It grew on me and became a favorite Dead song; but as my collection grew, I noticed they didn't play it that often. The Ladies & Gentlemen version is definitely hot, but for my part, I prefer Keith's input, and that's where 4/17 trumps 5/24 from Steppin' Out. In an otherwise identical performance, Keith is higher in the mix on 4/17, and it's good stuff. Opened with a doozie - check. The sound is a liiitle bit better on this one (all E72 sounds great, but some shows sound a liiitle bit better). They slide Me and Bobby McGee into the #2 slot, as Bobby's first song, and I find myself paying more attention to it here. It's flawless, of course, and Bobby's vocals are spot on. Better understanding of what freedom means - check. The rest of the first set is a little bit different, as it consists of stellar short length rockers, so the energy and momentum is sustained with very little interruption. The only "ballad" per se is the first performance of He's Gone, but even that one was played pretty fast in the early days of its performance life. I love this rendition; in fact, I love all three versions that were played prior to the development of the "going where the winds don't blow so strange" bridge. I may even prefer it. This has something to do how my brain was hardwired for He's Gone, as the only version I knew for years was performance #2 from Rockin' The Rhein. I don't discount the greatness of the outgoing jam in Englishtown '77, but if I had to pick one version of He's Gone for the desert island, it would be from 1972, and at that, it would probably be one of the first three. I like it faster, I like it without the bridge, and I like it without the "whoa-o-whoa, nothin's gonna bring him back" outro. Difficult to undo hard wiring - check. Yeah, I just copped out on the rest of the first set. It's Europe '72, it sounds great, it flows well. More great China Cat Sunrider, Jack Straw, and Black-Throated Wind, no Good Lovin' this time around. Second set has a typically great Playing In The Band; another great Pigpen / Hammond-laced Sugaree; an early One More Saturday Night that they threw in to finish off the stint on TV; solid El-Paso (with more great piano); another great Truckin'; a Ramble On Rose that also features some great Hammond chops from Pigpen and piano greatness from Keith (this song peaked on the Europe '72 tour IMHO). It Hurts Me Too - outstanding. It both peaked and died on the Europe '72 tour. Jerry's blues soloing is outstanding, and he did it so infrequently that it's always a treat. Enjoy. They end up doing a third set because of the TV affair. The show was not really longer for having a third set; it was more like three shorter sets. It went like this: Dark Star => Sugar Magnolia => Caution => Johnny B. Goode. The Dark Star is one of the best of the eleven that they played on the tour, I think even better than the one they played at Tivoli on night #1. The main theme noodling and improv jamming that goes on in the first ten minutes is melodic and superb; the vocal section is fine as can be; the post vocal improv section is melodic and up-tempo; the Space section and subsequent discord is sharp but not overcooked; and then there's the final movement, which is this great jazz piece with lots of cool double-time on the ride symbol from Billy underlying these great piano leads from Keith (which is all decorated with some of that well-timed Hammond goodness from Pigpen, and additional embellishment from Bobby, Phil and Jerry). The transition into Sugar Magnolia on this night is a Face Melt Special with extra How Do They Do This. So...extra melodic thirty plus minute Dark Star without overcooked cacophony section, featuring one of the best transitions into Sugar Magnolia ever - check. Sugar Magnolia is a thing of beauty in 1972. It reached fruition on the Europe '72 tour and sustained that magic through Veneta; but it slowly began to change, and by 1973 it was not quite the same creature. It was still a great song by any band's standards, but something elemental had been lost - perhaps it wilted in Pigpen's absence. It no longer evoked the Sunshine Daydream itself, only reminded us of what that dream had been like. In any event, it's still all caught up in sunlight on this night. The transition from Dark Star is ushered in with some rare non-chordal organ notes from Pig, which fade out as each band member joins the high times of Europe '72 Sugar Magnolia. For fans of the Billy drum fill, he goes with the smooth roll on the floor toms on this one. Caution is incredible. If this show were available on Dead.net still, I would say just buy it for Caution. It goes on for 23+ minutes and showcases one of the rarest (and greatest) elements of the McKernan years: the Pigpen-Godchaux double-barrel keyboard extravaganzational assault. I don't think the keyboards ever sounded better than the Hammond-Steinway / organ-piano blend that they achieved with these two onstage, and the Caution jam is where it climaxed. With only four or five performances the entire tour, and Pigpen's sporadic presence in the mix, this might be the best of the best. Don't miss the trademark Caution bomp-bomp-boms at 18 minutes or so; it's actually kind of cool that Pig raps over them on this version, as it's customarily an instrumental passage. If nothing else, Pigpen demonstrates his versatility as a lyricist here, as he manages to incorporate some stanzas about a certain demure young woman we heard him woo during his Good Lovin' rap the previous night. Caution (Do Not Stop On Tracks) with lady who still has her leg up against the wall - check. Inventing a new adjective - check, check. I usually turn off Johnny B. Goode, unless it's Three From The Vault or this show. It's really good here (and the only performance from the tour). There used to be an hour of a great quality video footage on youtube, but alas, it's been taken down. There are however, still a couple of tracks still up there - He's Gone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-yDZdHn6mw
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    I bought this LP not long after it was released in March of 1975. About 10 years ago, I transfered it to CD-R. It's clean sounding, but you can tell that it's from vinyl. I listen to it from time to time and I do appreciate it. If you have a copy on hand, read the credits on the back cover. I see "Published by Artists Publishing Collective except: ..." I wonder if this has anything to do with why this album has not been released on CD yet. According to bizpedia.com: Artists Publishing Collective, Incorporated is a California Domestic Corporation filed on January 23, 1975. The company's filing status is listed as Suspended and its File Number is C0729867. The company's principal address is 1016 Lincoln Avenue, San Rafael, CA 94902. Hmmm...
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    I finally got to listening this officially released nugget again. It's only my 3rd time from this box. I know this show quite well from previous unofficial recordings - cassette & CD-R, but this 3rd disc containing Dark Star> Sug Mags> Caution> JB Goode really shone brightly this morning while listening to it. It's as if I heard it for the 1st time - excitedly and with no expactations.An amazing great show, but all of Europe 72 is like that.
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    I may be wrong but I thought that it was Keith's untimely death that caused the "break up". It is a shame that the Keith & Donna album is pretty much the only Round/Grateful Dead catalog release that has never been reissued on CD. Maybe one day it will happen.
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    Not that it matters to the music...but I wonder what caused Keith & Donna to "break up?" Probably an intriguing soap opera there.
  • KeithFan2112
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    Day 5 / Europe '72 / April 16, 1972 This was the first show I bought from the E72 box set. I had already owned RTR & HYH since they'd been released, but never the original E72 LP/CD. After a many-years layoff from the Dead, I saw Sunshine Daydream in the rack at Barnes & Noble, and was impressed by the hype sticker that indicated it was the most requested Dead show ever - and I bought it. The rest is history. In my search for something to rival the fantastic Veneta show, I looked online and found a Rolling Stone article that listed 4/16/72 in the top 20 best Dead shows ever. Soon after, I ordered it from dead.net and the addiction that had taken hold with Veneta was firmly underway. My first impression was very positive. RTR was THE music that pulled me into the Dead's orbit many years before, and HYH was high on my playlist as well - so expectations were running high. I was still in the phase of cherry picking "best of all time" song performances, and I was looking forward to the extended jam version of Playing In The Band without Donna, and the extended jam Truckin'. The Greatest Story opener is solid; however, my trepidation about Donna has long since dissipated, and I miss her "cool clear water" vocal, which is now the highlight of the song for me. Sugaree is one one my favorite pre-hiatus versions, because there's some subtle reverb from the barn's acoustics that treats Jerry's guitar line nicely; but more still, Pigpen's organ is great accompianment on this song, and he's (thankfully) up in the mix on this show (not always the case). There are a couple of great tour rarities played here - Cumberland Blues and Dire Wolf. At the time I bought this show, I considered them both throwaways; today they're an integral part of my listening experience, and an element that makes this show a little bit special. Jerry is in prime Bluegrass picking mode during the solos on CB, and Billy drives a swinging no-nonsense rhythm train through Dire Wolf, with plenty of off beat fills that make this slow folk tune sound like an up-tempo rocker - all Billy. China Cat Sunrider is one of my favorites of the tour. There's not much more to my liking it than Jerry & Bobby's sharp crystal clear picking throughout - not that they don't always play it well, but between the barn acoustics and some x factor I can't put a finger on, it's one of the versions I turn to most often. Good Lovin' is a 20 minute affair, and let's just say - she's a bitch dog in heat who got to turn her oven around so Pigpen can smell it (did he really say that?). Tennessee Jed is great - I get the feeling this was one of their personal favorites to play, because you can feel it grow throughout the tour, not so much in arrangement, but in intensity. The jam that leads up to the final chorus of the song seems to get longer and stronger with every performance, and everyone gets involved. Compare to 10/21/71 and you'll hear what I mean. Deal I love best in '72, and while I used to talk up Veneta the most, this 4/16 version has caught my fancy lately (despite Billy coming in late at the beginning - drummers, always late). Jerry's solo, wah wah, and stretched out vocals are what hit the spot. I like this Loser a lot, the harmonies are perfect. The second set jam is worth the price of admission: Truckin' => Jam => TOO => Me & My Uncle => TOO2 => NFA => GDTRFB => NFA2. What can I say, other than they're all top rate versions if you break them up and listen to them independently (but why, right?). Everything is stellar - the sound, the immaculate execution, the energy, and the symbiosis of the musicians in their craft. There aren't any naysayers in this audience, so there's nobody to convince; but even for the Dead, the transition between TOO and Me & My Uncle is so smooth and unheralded, that the uninitiated would swear it's a rehearsed move they've practiced no less than a dozen times. Really, don't miss it. NFA and GDTRFB is equally impressive, though I can't make the same argument about rehearsals:-) The Other One is much shorter than usual, and there's no Sugar Magnolia for the only show of the tour - almost as if to say, next time at least clear the lunch tables out of the cafeteria before inviting us to play (it was a 700 ticket party in the University cafeteria). Playing in the Band is better with Donna. Pigpen may actually be the star of this show. I get the impression his stage time on songs he didn't sing lead on was inconsistent throughout the tour, as there are long stretches during some shows when I don't hear him playing or singing harmony (or even shaking the maracas and tambarine). Not the case at Aarhus; he's all over everything, especially the Hammond. While he's never going to be mentioned in a conversation about the best keynoardists, greatest lead singers, or innovators of rap music, he's the goddam best utility player to grace a rock 'n roll band. His chops during this show augment the rhythm and melody in all of the right places, which is the true sign of a great band musician - knowing when to play. Long live Pig. He was and always will be, one of the Grateful Dead.
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    Day 3 / Europe '72 / April 11, 1972 I like how the liner notes compare Newcastle to playing on Mars. I look to this show for the fantastic Truckin' (nearly 20 minutes, longest of the tour, although 4/16 kind of breaks it up into two tracks and calls the rest Jam) => Drums => The Other One => Comes A Time. Only two Brokedowns on this tour and I love them both - this one is has this nice piano bit in the beginning that actually comes out louder (along with the crowd applause) on the Steppin' Out mix, but it's still nice; one nice "cool clear water well you can't ever tell" from Donna (sometimes you get two); I also look to this one for the set list of shorter rockers - Greatest Story, Beat It on Down, Jack Straw, Deal, Tennessee Jed, Big Railroad Blues, Brown-eyed Women, Ramble On Rose (ok maybe not a rocker, but one of my Jerry favs in '72, where this song LIVED), and shit what was the other one from Jerry....anyway, a little higher in hiss than some shows, and turn up Bobby for fuck's sake. Would have been funny if he unraveled the T-shirt after the fan got tossed, and it said MARRY ME MARK! mule_skinner - Glad you liked the post, true story. Was at my parent's house DJ'ing the poolside tunes about 10 years ago on the 4th of July, had just purchased it and thought Ladies & Gentlemen would be perfect for the occasion with all of my relatives. On comes Good Lovin' and Pigpen doing his "I'm a bidness man; What kind of bidness? Are you a refrigerator repair service man?; Why you got a refrigerator?; No, I was just asking" Funny right, except he went on to pimp him a girl so ugly, she was mistaken for a Jersey cow (what'd you want, you only had a dollar and quarter). Lesson learned.
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July 1978: The Complete Recordings

What's Inside:

• Five Complete Shows on 12 discs
• 7/1/78 Arrowhead Stadium: Kansas City, MO
• 7/3/78 St. Paul Civic Center Arena: St. Paul, MN
• 7/5/78 Omaha Civic Auditorium: Omaha, NE
• 7/7/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
• 7/8/78 Red Rocks Amphitheatre: Morrison, CO
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope
Intro and show-by-show liner notes by Nicholas Meriwether
Producer's Note by David Lemieux
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 15,000
Release Date: May 13, 2016

Announcing July 1978: The Complete Recordings

We’re pleased to announce JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS, five incredible unreleased shows and the first official release from the long-lost tapes, recently returned to the Grateful Dead’s vault. Follow the Dead on a sonic journey through a superb selection of settings, an often epic adventure that finds them winning over Willie and Waylon fans in Kansas City, conjuring charisma in Omaha, and elevating the Red Rocks beyond their already spiritual planes. With five distinct performances painting the masterpiece of 1978, Betty Cantor-Jackson's always-pristine soundboard recordings, and the "hall-of-fame pedigree" of the Dead's first-ever shows at the legendary Red Rocks Amphitheatre, this is one release that far exceeds excellence in music, sound quality, and rarity.

Limited to 15,000 individually numbered copies, JULY 1978: THE COMPLETE RECORDINGS includes Arrowhead Stadium, Kansas City, MO (7/1/78), St. Paul Civic Center, St. Paul, MN (7/3/78), Omaha Civic Auditorium, Omaha, NE (7/5/78), and Red Rocks Amphitheater, Morrison CO (7/7/78 and 7/8/78) - all of the performances in this collection are drawn from the band’s master soundboard recordings, each newly mastered by Jeffrey Norman. The set also features original artwork by esteemed cartoonist Paul Pope (D.C. and Marvel comics) and in-depth liner notes written by Nick Meriwether (Grateful Dead Archives at the University of California, Santa Cruz), as well as a producer’s note from producer David Lemieux.

Due May 13th, we anticipate that this extraordinary box will sell out. Your best bet is to pre-order it now, then sit back, relax, and enjoy all the exclusive content we'll be rolling out over the next few weeks right here.

Looking for something a little more byte-sized? The collection will also be available for HD digital download in FLAC and ALAC, exclusively at dead.net, on release day.

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Those pagans knew how to cook up some holiday's.. Thanks for the history lesson. D.Davis, great BCT nugget in your blog.. Brent was wasted, so what. They play that show from time to time on SiriusXM. Its got its moments. Can't believe you were living walking distance to the BCT.
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Gary - hope you enjoy that '79 one all over again! Another released one that I think is killer is the Hartford '90 TOO box. Very powerful start to the show and the energy sets the tone for much of the first set. Regretfully I had to pass on the 30 trips but that '79 Dancin>Franklins was also released on that 1st road trips and I think its funky synth awesome... totally shows what Brent brought to the table.
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Have had 90too for 6+ months and havent opened it yet. I am so ready...Did the dancin franklins tonight, funky
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Agree with my fellow Washingtonian Stoltzfus, 8.28.81 - Long Beach, best Shakedown.
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....happened to me earlier today. Broke out Queen's Sheer Heart Attack and Metallica's Ride The Lightning....both classics....
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Interesting topic...For me, I never tire of 1972. Coincidentally, It's also the year I have the most recordings/partial shows of (looks like 37). However, I am especially smitten with the 30 Trips Winterland Tax Day 1970 show. This and Harpur College(Dick's Picks Vol 8) a few weeks later, are in my estimation, amongst their best ever performances(the Winterland Dancin' is incredible), and I'd love to hear a Dave's Picks, or a box from this part of 1970. Looking forward to hearing the '78 box. Say, isn't it kinda early in the year for the annual Boxset to appear? 15,000 copies also seems a tad high, so I don't expect it to sell out quickly(no resale market)...will make great Xmas present too. Has anyone else tried to access a lyric on the "Annotated Grateful Dead Lyrics by David Dodd" an got an error page. Sad if this excellent resource has been lost in the ether.
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Underrated because of it's uneven performances. 5/10-11/78 is one of my least-listened-to releases. It's not BAD, it's just got nothing that jumps out at me. 4/24/78 is another that I don't pick up very often (although TMNS and Scarlet-Fire are top-notch on that one). Really love 2/3-5/78, 4/22/78, 5/14/78, and 12/31/78. And, of course, this box promises to get a lot of play. 7/7-8/78 have long been favorites, and this sample from 7/1 has me very excited. Regarding the best Shakedown, the one on RT 1.1 always jumped out at me; a GREAT performance in an otherwise lackluster release.
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the Shakedown from Road Trips 4.4 (4/6/82) has the most listens in my google play account. It's pretty funky..
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I don't think I've been this happy in a long time. Thanks Dead.net! :-)P.S. I visited Red Rocks last week and definitely felt the magic there. Wow!!
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I don't know if I do absorb so much stuff. I just listen to a lot of stuff, not a lot of most, but some of all. I can sit at the computer and drop 30 different things in the playlist that have nothing to do with each other. I can be listening to Al Jolson's "Anniversary Song", swing over to Ice-T's "Mind over Matter", and many other non connected songs. Just got in (used from amazon) "The Many Faces of The Detergents", because I wanted to hear "Double-O-7" and I only have it in a 45. Bonus - Had a song (instrumental) called "The Blue Kangaroo" on it. I have this in a 45 also, hadn't thought of it in 45 years, but when it played I was like "wow". Sometimes when I'm working in the yard or garage I'll put on everything from an artist and hit shuffle. Hell I got albums of French "yeye" (60's French pop that I play and I don't speak French! (but I did recognize Noir C'est Noir) Back in the LP days when someone was over I pull out an album and say "you gotta hear this", that song was barely over and I'd be pulling another album out for something else they had to hear. When they left there be 30 albums out. A lot of times I don't even finish a song when my brain makes a connection to some other song to play. I don't know I can't explain it. I ALWAYS have a song playing in my head, ALWAYS! Also while listening to almost non-stop songs, I'm always listening to an audio book. When doing neither I'm generally watching old movies on TCM. In any event, check out your ILL, sometimes I search the ILL just for "box set" or "collection" or "greatest hits". I figure if I'm gonna pay a 2.50 fee, I might as well get as much as I can. Got a great Duke Ellington collection that way, 24 cd's. Have a bunch of Odetta coming in, based on talks in this forum. Somebody else mentioned Stan Kenton, found a half-dozen of his albums available. So much music, so little time. What a great time to live in if varied music is your thing. I remember when I was young I hit a department store (like Bradlees or Grants or Two Guys) and there be only two long bins of choices, then Sam Goody's came along and I was like wow, then I found Sam Goody's could ORDER albums for you, double wow. Then Amazon,,,,, Heaven! Then the library and ILL, free heaven! If any interest in doing some trading PM me.
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away by 10/12/84. Heard the Stranger last evening...shazam! 8484848484848484848484 please dave big box i predict will be GREEK BOX that would be a nice box
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Yup. Best modern day Stranger, Cold Rain and Dew in the same show. TMNS also, but debatable. Many may disagree. None who were there will.
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Yup. Best modern day Stranger, Cold Rain and Dew in the same show. TMNS also, but debatable. Many may disagree. None who were there will.
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Yup. Best modern day Stranger, Cold Rain and Dew in the same show. TMNS also, but debatable. Many may disagree. None who were there will.
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I like 6/30/85, Dead Set, and 11/24/78 versions of Shakedown best, but I haven't heard too many - wish there more released from the Keith Godchaux era, because while Egypt '78 is good, it's the only official one with him on it. I saw a post about someone only going to buy the Red rocks show, not the whole box - now THAT is some discipline! I approached Europe 72 that way, and before I knew it I had them all. Speaking of Europe 72, I listened to most of 4/7, the starter show today. Greatest Story is rockin'. So is China Cat, Truckin' TOO, and there's a really cool Wharf Rat. Ramblin Rose & Sugar Mags excellent - This show doesn't get talked about much, but it's great!
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This has been bothering me for a while and just curious if anyone has any input. When people bring up the amount of "limited" edition numbers (such as the 15,000 in this case of the 78 Box) and their ooncerns it just makes me shake my head sometimes. For example the Fare Thee Well Tour you had hundreads of thousands of people willing to shell out money for tickets to the show, plane tickets, Hotel reservations, rental cars, food, and all the other extras which runs into at least a thousand or more dollars, that these things don't sell out faster. To me the music is a no brainer you have that for the rest of your life. It also amazes me when I get talking to someone about the band because of a shirt or hat the other party is wearing and they show all this enthusiam and I ask a simple question like "what do you think of the Daves Pick series and they say what's that?? I scratch my head. This has happened not once or twice but a lot of times. Sorry for my little bitch session....I just apreciate how a lot of you are well versed and really dive into the releases that happen here and that we are very lucky to have no matter what year it is from.
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A lot of people I talked to who were at Fare Thee Well seemed like they wanted to be there so they could say they went and not so they could go. Those were the same people that complained about the Dead and co. shows because "the band said that was it, and I spent all this money to go now I wasn't at the last show (spoiled sobbing)." Unfortunately many still go just for the party and the bragging right, not the music.
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Kevin, you yourself are part of a limited edition. We are incurably fanatical about this band, but we are limited in number. There are many, many more who enjoy the music but are not so interested as to visit this site on a near-daily basis. Of course, if you don't come here, you don't buy most of the music releases because they are only available through this site. In fact, if you don't visit this site, the chances are you do not know of the existence of the Dave's Picks series etc. Then again, if you are not fanatical then you would probably have little interest in multiple releases of live performances from 20-50 years ago. Rhino are fully aware of the situation, which is why when a real gem gets released (Sunshine daydream, Wake up to find out, the forthcoming Red Rocks etc.) they also put these out to retail - Amazon and the like - because these releases are likely to be of interest to the more casual Dead fan and they will sell more copies. Rhino also know very well how many units will sell, which is why they only produce a certain number. Putting things like "Limited edition" in big letters at the top of the page means everyone is somewhat panicked into buying quickly, but they are targetting the same limited number of die-hards that you and I are part of. I suspect that our numbers are always lower than the numbers produced and it then takes awhile to sell the rest of the production run. Reseller/scalper interest will also have an effect on how quickly a limited edition sells out.
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Dire hit it right on the head, to large numbers it's only the image of the scene. The people who talk thru whole shows, the guy who's past out thru the whole show from heavy drinking all day (only to wake up to yell "Jerry" during the quietest part of a song) But this is really a part of modern life (maybe it's always been that way) to be seen doing "hip" or "cool" things. (is only hip or cool because we like it?) Then again, most people don't buy music in bulk, period. When at other peoples house check and see how much they have. Most don't have much. Sometimes I think books are even lower on the have side. My wife is a reader and I can tell you we have BOOKS! Greatest invention for those people "kindle". Now she has tons of books she carries with her. For me it was the invention of MP3, the only proof of a god I know of :-) Fortunately with the advent of internet it's easy to find people who share an interest (whatever it may be). I'm lucky that I have several people in my life who have a passion for music (not all deadheads, but like a lot of music), but I push to find these people and seek to find what music moves people. I'm always singing and talking in song to flesh out where people stand. My neighbor behind me (who I don't have a lot in common with) would talk 50's groups and early 60's groups all the time. He wouldn't know a pink Floyd song, but he'd know a coasters song. Sorry rambling again,, but Dire you pulled the perfect line out, it's 1 in 10,000....
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GFar it appears I am a little late to this party but it seems our Super-Brain has reared it's mighty head in some form on these Shakedowns. I'm not so familiar with some of the early/mid-80's Shakedowns being offered but they sound like they pack the requisite punch. For a great Keith-flavored Shakedown, I always enjoyed these two from late '78. The first, Jerry has laryngitis, but it is a pretty sweet Shakedown out of Estimated - 11/24/78. Keith is prominent: https://archive.org/details/gd1978-11-24.pre-fm.miller.87642.sbeok.flac… This second one is pretty super-funky with Jerry making some mad runs in the jam at the end, again Keith quite prominent, 11/20/78: https://archive.org/details/gd1978-11-20.sbd.miller.95244.sbeok.flac16 Rainy Monday in Boston, looking forward to some spring-like weather around here sooon. Sixtus
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Surprised no mention of 11.20.78 - Cleveland Music Hall - what a sequence - 5 stars 12.30.78 - Pauley Pavilion, UCLA - Killer set, killer show from near the end of era. One of the finest shows before a New Years gig Nearly a year later, a return to Pauley Pavilion at UCLA would bring another killer set, killer show - 11.25.79 - Lots of primo stuff here along with a 2nd set opener "Shakedown Street -> Bertha", dont miss this one A week and half later, far from the sunshine of LA, "Shakedown Street" is performed for the faithful - 12.5.79 - Uptown Theatre - Chicago, IL. One of the finest from the era
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Yes, 11/20 sounds pretty good, although I don't have a great copy of it. I would listen to more versions if I had more great sounding copies. As it stands, 11/24 out of Estimated is the best sounding one I have. My exact point though - it would be awesome if they released more shows with Shakedown from the Godchaux era. I doubt very much they would ever do something like, but it would be cool to have (i.e. multiple live versions of the same song on one CD). As it stands, we only have 1 Shakedown Street, 1 From the Heart of Me, and 3 Stagger Lee / I Need A Miracle. As they just released DaP 15 and July '78 box is on the horizon, I doubt we'll hear much new '78 for quite some time. So how about some Jan / Feb '79 for DaP 20........
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Is everybody else getting charged for this right when they order? In the past I remember them charging me when it shipped. I now have a charge that isn't just pending, but went through awhile back on my card. Is this the new way they're doing these pre-orders?
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Kevin, I've wondered the same thing about that disparity. I do not disagree with direwulf and Dennis - but I do think there is a more positive reason for many people who go to shows like FTW, but don't come to this site, know about archival releases, etc: I suspect for many it's a matter of choosing direct experience over recordings. One could even say it's more positive - I wonder about my collecting mania when it comes to these releases. I like having the release for years to come, makes sense to me. But, to others that may seem misguided, since it also limits my budget for live concerts in the here and now. I'd rather hear the 1978 band or the 1981 band over the 2015 band - but I totally understand the opposite view - why listen to old recordings when you can go to a show? I've had people express amazement that I would spend 100 bucks on a box set, but they'll drop that amount on drinks and apps at a pub without blinking - which to me feels like burning money. It's all good...
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Match that up against anything you have ever heard and tell me which reins supreme. And just for sharing...where the heck is 1980 Alaska; High Auditorium? I write Dave all the time and he never responds. Might be the absolute tightest you hear of the boys - Black Peter, Stella, Estimated and so on! For the novelty could we please get the '83 Jamaica show? I heard it wasn't so great (430AM-7AM on an airplane strip), but I would like to own it. '78 is quietly better to me than '77 because they condense to smaller venues. Give me '78, '80, '82 from post 1975. Puff
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can`t remember when for me was the last time to drink down a hundred bucks - i count in CDs and books , so that means an average of 4-6 CDs or 3 - 5 hardcover books. OOps i forgot , i`m a smoker still and a pack of cigs cost an average of 5 bucks here....well , i`d do both - go to shows of Bobby and Phil and collect the old stuff but i can`t here in Austria....
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i`m still thankful - Dennis sent me a Furthur show via Dropbox - for some new technical stuff and yet frustrated cause there are some new medias i have problems to get by with and - what counts more - haven`t got the time to digitalize my physical collection of thousands of CDs and LPs. I know i`ll have to soon - otherwise i risk that in the future a good portion of the discs has scars et c.
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Yep, sad to say everyone is getting charged when they order rather than at shipping time. I contacted customer service about this and they replied: "Due to the various payment issues with the Fare Thee Well box set, the company has decided to capture the funds of the pre-orders the morning after they are placed. We had quite a few issues where the item was shipped, but the funds were not captured due to expired authorizations, insufficient funds, etc." This raises a number of issues, but I didn't consider it reasonable to charge for expensive items such as this weeks before the item is released, so I contacted Dr. Rhino on the matter and although he didn't have a lot to say, he did say this: "There may be exceptions to this policy, for certain future releases. We will also review our communications, regarding the implementation of this policy." So there you have it. Typically we will now be charged when we place a (pre)order rather than at shipping time.
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Saw the Experience Hendrix 2016 show last Friday at Casino Ballroom in Hampton Beach NH. Always a good show. Featured guitarists: Dweezil Zappa, Quinn Sullivan, Eric Johnson, Zakk Wylde, Jonny Lang, Mato Nanji, Kenny Wayne Shepard, Buddy Guy. If they do a summer tour - check it out... Quinn Sullivan is a 16 year old kid from New Bedford MA, very impressed with his skills at that age. Zakk was Wylde.
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attended and remember being underwhelmed...it was first show since my first show 7/18/82. listening to it today on archive. sounds better than I recall (33 years later)
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I see my friends do it all the time, but when it comes to spending on money with other stuff, HAHA you better not ask them At the local bar I go to quite often, yesterday a regular noticed my Grateful Dead shirt while he was smoking and said "the Grateful Dead !" I smiled and said "you like the tee huh ?" http://www.gdao.org/items/show/283747 He quickly leaned down to lift his jeans above ankle to show he has a killer tattoo with skeleton wearing top hat smoking cigar. Just looking at his tattoo I could tell he was a true fan, but I would certainly bet money he has no idea of the new releases, Daves Picks and other box sets. Definetely not the first person I have encountered at this bar that is a fan of GD, but does not really keep tabs on them lately
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When you mentioned this show and a Charlie miller soundboard I had to check my copy and see if it was up to snuff,,, it was. Though all the talk is Shakedown I turned to It Must Have Been the Roses. Has this song gotten much talk? I love this song, the feeling of nostalgic melancholy really grabs hold and I like older Jerry voice on it, it's softer and has more "looking back" in it. I have wondered over the years,,, is Annie dead? Did she lay down from being overworked and past? I feel the people are not moneyed since glass is missing from the window. Time has certainly passed since the ribbons have faded. And what do you think she told him? (if I tell another what your own lips told to me) Is it just "I love you"? Great song.
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Do the GD almost always follow a "sad" song with a "happy" song?
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In my not too knowledgable opinion, I don't consider any GD songs sad. The slow songs, ballads perhaps, always strike me as reflective. Like Days Between for instance- a song that is full of wisdom and imagery. It doesn't seem like a "sad" song- more like a wise song. My interpretation is do the GD often follow a slow song with a faster paced song- and yes they do. Suppose it's part of the ebb and flow that make the concerts such a great experience.
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A few months ago I had a great moment. My son, 26 years old with a good musical ear, but not a Dead Head, heard a Shakedown I had from somewhere. He came running into my room and said "Where has this been my whole life"! All I could do was smile, smile, smile! Rock on
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Purple - that's hilarious - I do that to (counting in CDs, books, etc). Of course, now that I have a kid I also count in things like tuition savings, ha. But in my head, it will also be in units of music and reading. As for spending 100 bucks in a pub, oh it's easy. Buy a few drinks for friends, round of apps... doesn't take long (but okay, maybe 50 bucks!). My wife's aunt had an extra ticket to see Kansas the other night at a wonderful old theater here in western Mass (they were actually fantastic - some super tight prog-rock, I enjoyed the hell out of it). Since I didn't pay for my ticket, I bought one drink for myself, and a total of three glasses of wine for the folks who gave me the ticket. That cost me 36 bucks! when you count the tips (this was a fundraiser but still). ...
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Hey Puffbecker - good call on the Alaska box. I've been whining about that for years, bring on "The Grateful Dead in the Land of the Midnight Sun." I love that run. And Deadegad's September '79 box too! :)
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The Beer tastes have grown and changed over the years . I think the possible scenario is they had plenty of production time for everything from (from encrypting the cds to printing up the books and/or programs)a. The orders start coming in and sales look pretty good. Then it's learned San Jose'(?) isn't going to be included and then to add insult to injury concerts with BW,BK,MH and John Mayer are announced. In order to say "Fare Thee Well"" you have to go somewhere! I think Rhino jumped the gun on this one and started production of the components before everything was known and well thought out.
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Interesting take on Must Have Been the Roses; in fact I had never given it very much thought but your idea of death is an interesting one and it seems you're not the first to think this. A brief search brought this up on a like-minded board: http://gratefuldead.tribe.net/thread/2a059d9a-2516-4f22-9dbc-52d39ef5a8… And in terms of playing slower songs followed by more upbeat songs, as mentioned by Zuck, this was a pretty conscious decision by the band and would help with those peaks and valleys they led us All through. Makes for some sweet juxtapositions and tugging at your soul. I almost always find, too, that these 'slower songs', when played well, will crescendo into something nearly explosive - a power that only the GD could summon regularly. Sixtus
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The Beer tastes have grown and changed over the years, but it's still fun to have one every now and then I think the possible scenario is they had plenty of production time for everything (from encrypting the cds to printing up the books and/or programs). The orders start coming in and sales look pretty good. Then it's learned San Jose'(?) isn't going to be included and then to add insult to injury concerts with BW,BK,MH and John Mayer are announced. In order to say "Fare Thee Well"" you have to go somewhere! I think Rhino jumped the gun on this one and started production of the components before everything was known and well thought out. I think it's more than likely they'll have box a sets for some time to come...
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I gotta agree with Mr stulzfus. A bad Shakedown is hard to find. I listened to 4 Shakedowns this morning with my coffee, (6/30/85, Egypt, 8/13/79, 3/30/87) and every one of them sounded fantastic. Trying to pick one over the other would have been splitting a very fine hair.
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Living where I do, I have the opportunity to entertain a lot. Usually interesting people but not necessarily heads.. I get the what do you see in the GD question a lot. Most people just don't get it and when you do put it on, they talk over it anyway.. so I don't give it much attention these days, but if someone asks me to put it on, I will and if I'm in the mood I will put it on just because I want to. So one of my buddies came to me about a month ago and said, "Hey.. they played this GD song on the radio on my way home from work that I really liked. It sounded a bit disco." I replied Shakedown Street and got a YES, that's the song answer. For some reason that song does have a crossover appeal, even people that despise disco like it and refer to it as having a disco beat. I will call that the hbob factor. Even the Dukes of September covered it. Oh, I agree with the others, its hard to find a bad shakedown. So long as Jerry keeps his vocals together, it always has the potential to be a smoker.
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