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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
1974
I chuckled a bit when Stuman said that there wasn't much 1974 vined. Off the top of my head, I recalled the Feb Winterland, May 74, June 74, July 74, at least some of the Europe 74 and the Oct Winterland shows all being vined. I also thought to myself that there weren't as many shows played in 1974 as in other years. So I went to deadlists and to the vindex and, by my very unofficial count, there were 40 shows played in 1974, 36 of which have been vined. So 90% of the year's shows have been vined!!! Not to mention that the lone March show is a DP, and at least 2 of the 3 August shows were part of another.
I got a lot of these shows a while back, before I was doing lossless and some even before I was using I-Tunes (so for example my Oct Winterland shows have gaps). And I haven't signed up for the June and July vines, though I will at some point (I'm a little busy right now as most of you know). I have some of those shows from other sources.
Anyways, nice try Stuman, haha.
I was unaware of that
And wow , well that explains a lot ! Hey man getting old can be a bummer man .. So don`t bust to much on this old fart ..LOL .. Yes I remember having those vines , well now i do . like i said i`m soo disorganized ..haha
Miami Fronton 6/22-23 Vine
Klanz, I will be happy to re-seed this one.
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
Albert Einstein
Klanz
Since I don't seed original vines too often, I think re-seeding is the least I can do to show my gratitude for the vineyard. I am glad you appreciate it. The re-seed is on its way.
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
Albert Einstein
Vines come to me....
And some then seemingly die!!
First off.... I can't thank all of you kind people enough for sharing this music we all love so passionately.... I have taken advantage of many of the offerings available in the Vineyard.... and I shall continue to.....
But I am holding ten vines that no one else apparently wants.... I am the last name on the list for each.... I keep trying to bump them to the front to get some attention hoping someone will bite and take them off my hands.... Just did so with all ten.... but holding on to them makes me feel guilty! So I guess this is merely a time and place for me to vent.
Again.... thanks to all for sharing.... and thank you Marye for all your work as well.
Peace my friends....
Raymond.
KINGCARGO.JB may be MIA
Two PMs to him in connection with the October 72 vine and no response; anybody know if he's still around?
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"Goin' home, goin' home, by the waterside I will rest my bones; listen to the river sing sweet songs to rock my soul"
"I will walk alone by the black muddy river and sing me a song of my own"
Raymond
Don't sweat it. It happens. I have been in the same situation. What I would do is once a week repost on the vine thread asking if anyone wants to partake. This helps because it moves the vine to front page and it is way more visible then if it's "buried" on page 6. People will eventually partake.
Geoff
"Say you'll come back when you can
Whenever your airplane happens to land
Maybe I'll be back here too
It all depends on what's with you."
don't worry Raymond . . .
It looks as if most of the vines you are holding are for post-'77 Dead and non-Dead shows (undead??). In my admittedly short time in the Vineyard those seem to be less popular than the vines with '67 to '77 Dead. Just an observation; ymmv.
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"Goin' home, goin' home, by the waterside I will rest my bones; listen to the river sing sweet songs to rock my soul"
"I will walk alone by the black muddy river and sing me a song of my own"
Agreed ohyeah
Anything from 69-79 flies off the shelf.....I had some 66' shows for 2 months before anyone signed up!
"And I love the life I live
And I'm gonna live the life I love"
Appreciate it folks....
Thanks guys.... I do appreciate your feedback.... and all of those posts I made earlier are already back to page two!!
Oh well... will keep trying.... and keep burning some great f#@%ing music!!
Raymond
Speaking of YMSB (see New Vines 2009)
Does anybody have their performance from Rothbury July 5th?? I'd love to add it to my vine...
"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
request more 94-95
I have nastalgia for more stuff from 1994 and 1995. I have the April Fools show (4/1/94--Atlanta, GA (Omni); digital soundboard; 3 CDs) that I can offer up if there is interest. But I was wondering if anyone had maybe a few more 94 & 95 to offer up, and I'll throw in the 4/1/94 show with it.
These are the 94 & 95 shows that are already vined here (below).
3/21/94 Richfield, OH (Richfield Coliseum); soundboard; 3 CDs
3/30/94 Atlanta, GA (Omni); digital soundboard; 3 CDs
10/1/94 Boston, MA (Boston Garden); soundboard; 3 CDs
10/10//94 Landover, MD (USAir Arena); soundboard; 3 CDs
10/13/94 New York (Madison SQ Garden); soundboard; 3 CDs
10/14/94 New York (Madison SQ Garden); soundboard; 3 CDs
6/21/95 Albany, NY (Knickerbocker Arena); FOB audience recording; 3 CDs
6/25/95 Washington, DC (Robert F. Kennedy Stadium); digital soundboard; 2 CDs
7/9/95 Chicago, IL (Soldier Field); THE LAST SHOW; soundboard; 2 CDs
Coming Soon To a Vineyard Near You
Add the rest of 1973 to the list of things I am working on, as I should soon be getting everything from 9/24 on.
I got the 1968 shows in and am working on them. CB volunteered to send me some "newer" sources and I should be getting them in a week or so.
I will get the 2d part of the 1970 vine posted by this weekend.
Mailing Vines
Hey all....
Dstache.... you are amazing.... thanks.
Just sent out many vines over the last several days.... some rather large.... and the nice woman at the post office told me about MEDIA MAIL.... which I knew nothing about. Books, CD's... DVD's.... all can go at a cheaper rate.... slower than first class too unfortuately... but a significant savings! Just need to designate on the package and request at the counter....
This was news to me....
Thanks.
Raymond
Vine status
I looked over my list (this is the smallest its been in months - 26!) and came across vines that are totally dead, trust me, and need to be re-seeded in order for them to continue:
1) 3 from 82 and a 78 too (dead only 3 into the list, sad) I did pm gdhead77 about a re-seed
2) Augusta 10/12/84
3) Buffalo Springfield
4) Santa Fe 83
Then the ones held up by gratefulmikes:
1) Summer 82
2) Greek 84
3) Jimi HendriXmas
I spoke with him about a month ago and he was back from being on the road and was going to send out the pile of vines in his possession. Now its a month later and still no movement/communication.
Come on gratefulmikes help us out bro!
This is just the ones on my list. The overall list is ridiculous. I think dstache has one but I'd also like to consider non-Grateful Dead vines too. Can anybody help re-seed the first 4 on my list?? Please, I'd really appreciate it! I'm always willing to re-seed any lost vines, I just don't have a copy of these yet :(
Thanks for your help!!
"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
I will be away.
After checking, I do not believe I am up soon on any vines. I will be out of town 7/31-8/15 and 8/22-8/30. If I lag (more so then usual!) that is why.
"And I love the life I live
And I'm gonna live the life I love"
alternative versions
Folks, I'm sure I speak for all of us in giving amazed thanks to dstache and his merry crew for the lossless mega-vines they're putting together. Community, collaboration, and love for the music at its best. Way to go!
Some folks have privately expressed concern that these huge vines will stifle the growth of smaller ones and we'll lose folks who aren't set up to handle the big ones--maybe they can only handle CDs, maybe they only want a show or two, and the shows will only be available in the huge collections.
I'm not telling anybody what to do here, but it seems to me the fix for that is fairly obvious--someone gets the big vine, excerpts it, and vines that. I'm pretty sure no one here is interested in keeping fellow Vineyard folks from vining in the format of their choice.
I mention the issue because it's come up once or twice in the background lately. What you guys want to do about it is up to you!
Thanks!
ME
excerpting
I am all for someone taking a vine, selecting the best shows, converting them to WAV, and vining them. I have asked that my recent vines be lossless ONLY so that the vines will be less cumbersome and expensive to post. But by all means, please convert these vines to WAV and start a NEW vine.
If someone does SHN/FLAC, but can't handle a 4 disc vine, I suggest PMing someone who did sign up and offering to trade. I have lost interest in WAV trading but I am always up for lossless trading. I am especially looking for Fall 79, early 80's and Brent 1990 shows.
Marye - That's a tough one
I have noticed that the larger vines usually contain shows that have already been vined as smaller versions. The only problem with that I see is that you end up signing up for and receiving the smaller vines without realizing that you already have or will have it from the larger vine - so it's kind of a waste in that sense - waste of postage, time etc. That's why I have created my own spreadsheet to keep track of all the shows I have to avoid repeats.
I personally enjoy and look for flac/shn vines. I don't really care how big they are as long as it is flac. But for the folks without flac capabilty (and really it is the folks without DVD-roms because it is so simple to convert flacs, that should not be the problem, it's not being able to read the DVD's that's the problem), I understand that they should be able to enjoy these vines too. So I think the only way around that is like Marye suggests (and dstache has mentioned this too) for someone to take the flacs and convert them into smaller (separate) audio CD vines.
Problems I see:
1.How would we know someone wants a particular show converted to wav? How would we know to start a new, separate wav vine? Which shows do you convert?
2. You could have a bunch of small vines come off of one large vine - that seems like it could get chaotic, like someone would need to manage that..
3. There's really no feasible way to convert an entire flac vine into wavs - going from a couple of DVDs to a stack of CDs, that would be an insurmountable amount of work and postage. If I could find a full time job that would pay me to do that ... hmmmm :-)
"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
dstache
I was going to wait a bit for the smoke to clear from the last new vine installments but am ready to start a May 1981 sbd vine here really soon.
"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
I`m with dstache & JackstrawfromCo...
I have no interest for much of anything in wav format , however i will be adding to a vine here soon that will be in wav format . I don`t have a dvd burner at this time . But yes if someone wants to convert from a large dvd vine , and make a seprate vine out of it thats cool . Maybe just use part of the name of the dvd vine in the name of the wav vine . like 3-18-xx wav from shn/flac #x or something like that . that might help clear some confusion on the folks signing up for the same shows twice thing . I dunno , just a thought .. But yes we can`t exclude the flacless folks here . I beleive dstache
has mentioned that once before ..
WAV folks
I feel a little bad now. As everyone probably knows, I am not trying to exclude anyone. I guess that sometimes once you finally give in and do something, you get to thinking that everyone else has already done it. So when I finally decided to start doing lossless, I figured everyone else did it (or could do it). If you don't have a DVD reader, you can't do it, and if you don't have a burner (a la Hippy) it makes it difficult as you have to burn onto CDs, which hold a lot less. But if you do have a DVD burner, let me tell all you luddites (technophobes) it is SO EASY. People use different software, but I highly recommend Trader's Little Helper. One download. Free. All you need. I don't even have an IPod. I don't have a flat screen. I have a mini stereo system (which ONE DAY will be massively upgraded). I am not into technology. And I did it.
Many of the 73 shows I have in my lossless vines have already been vined, either by me in my early Cream Filling vine (11/14, 11/17, 11/20), by Bob in his 73 Eurovine (4 Sept shows), or by others (3/28, 3/31, 5/26). But I am willing to start a few WAV vines containing 3 shows each. WAVers should post here the shows they want vined and I will do that.
As for 1977, I am going to let someone else do that. Again, much of 1977 has been vined in WAV (Stache Rides 77, most of the May shows, Winterland 77, Fall 77 Parts 1 and 2).
I do feel the need to tell you that from MY EXPERIENCE, it will behoove you to make the switch. I wish I had converted to lossless earlier as I am now slowly trying to replace the WAV shows that I have. The number of people who trade WAV is rapidly shrinking, just as cassette traders have in the past. If you just want to have a small collection, WAV is probably fine. If you want a lot of shows, you definitely should do lossless.
I think...
the Grateful Dead has never been a one-size-fits-all experience, and neither is the Vineyard!
don`t feel bad man
You explained your intent from the very start of your shn/flac vine series .crap it saves a TON of money on postage ! I had to step away from the NNWL vine because someone converted it , Luckily our freind Andy sent me the dvd`s for that one . And I have been walked through Traders little helper and I have walked others through it too . And I am more then happy to help even more understand it and how it works .
Just shoot me a PM I`m more then happy to help anyone ..
i can vouch for stuman
stuman came to my technology rescue. he walked me thru the process of converting flac files and i even saved his directions (so, stuman, if you don't want to write it all out again, i'll send you the file!). it's worth the process b/c i just got the deadbeats vine and i didn't want to bother w the flac version, so i just copied the standard stuff- and the standard stuff is full of skips and jumps and bleeps... so, now i have to delete all i did yesterday and redo it from the flac discs knowing they will not have those issues.... all while the next guy in the vineline is camped out next to his mailbox waiting for me to get my shit together!
so, stuman's offer to help is real and valid.
thanks again, stuman-
caroline
Thank you caroline
That posting just made me feel good on a crappy day !! I`ll let you know if I need that file . Or who knows maybe you will be helping folks out too .. It feels good to be able to help
people , not just with music but almost anything in life .
Thank you again Caroline !!
comments
I enjoy listening to the GD in the computer, in my car CD player while driving, or while at home on the ole' boom box. So all the flac stuff I get, I unzip to wav and then burn to CDs. I like flac on DVDs because you get more stuff, but in the end, it will be converted to wav so that I can listen to it. So my collection is a book case full of CDRs organized by year.
"I do believe in spooks, I do believe in spooks, I do, I do, I do, I do, I do"--Lion Wizard of Oz
On vacation!
I am stepping out for a week.... for some much needed R&R.... I am expecting 2 vines in soon... will turn them around as soon as I return.... and all vines that you kids are waiting on from me have been sent... though I still have a bunch where I am the last on the list.... Be well all and thanks for all your work in the Vineyard!
Raymond
Raymond
Have a "grate" vacation.
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
Albert Einstein
Hi Everyone
Good news here. I am upgrading my computer system and will be able to burn DVDs in the near future. That means I may have something to offer up.
Is there any interest in a vine of the Dead from Playboy TV? If there is interest I will put the pertinent information up here.
Peace and out.
DMTT
Playboy After Dark
Is it one of the ones where Jerry sings Mnts of the Moon? I watch that one all the time on YouTube, its a tear jerker for sure...
"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
Indeed it is.
[quote]Is it one of the ones where Jerry sings Mnts of the Moon? I watch that one all the time on YouTube, its a tear jerker for sure...[/quote]
Yes it is.
Heynow Viners
from Lopezz on vacation. Just got a postcard from the Stanley Hotel in Denver.
Remember "The Shining" & 'Jack' (All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy................eraghhhhhhh!!!!!)
Safe travels, to you and yours, Lopezz.
Summertime, come and gone, my oh my, my my my.
The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
Estes Park
Last time I checked the Stanley was up in Estes Park, northwest of Lyons
Dead Man...
go ahead and post the details in the New Vines 2009 topic and I'll launch it. At least till the Hefner police show up.
For another gem from the Bunny House (go figure), this is one of my favorite Jerry interviews of all time. Short, but fabulous. Jon Carroll, the interviewer, is of course a columnist for the San Francisco Chronicle among his many other distinctions.
Well, the stamp said Denver ;o}
Happy trails, Lopezz.
The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
Well
Well I wished he would have said something. I am about 45 miles due east to the Stanley. Close enough to drive up and buy him dinner. Possibly next time.
In an effort to save $$ the usps system around here ships every thing to a central plant in Denver to stamp and then sent on. So if I send something a half mile to the next town the package gets a 2 day all expense paid trip to the city and back. (end of rant...THANKS for your time)
Peace
Rick
Jon Carroll Interview with Jerry
Mary, thanks for that link. What a great little interview. Very revealing. It also makes me wonder how different things would have been in relation to the Obama stuff had the Big Guy still been around.
"Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence."
Albert Einstein
Pomo 1
I was thinking the exact same thing after I read that interview. You know, people do change their stance a bit as they get older.. To me the last election was more about ridding the White House of the tyranny it was under the last 8 years rather than jumping on one person's bandwagon.. Maybe that was Bobby's stance, I don't know, but it would be interesting to hear what Jerry would have thought about it all.
Thanks for that link to the interview Marye!
"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
what a grate interview!
"We're friendly. For me, I can't see relating to the audience any other way. We exist by their grace. It's very hard for me to do anything but like them. They're nice people."
That's a lot of the GD ethos right there, at least in this newbie's view.
As for the political stuff, based on what I've read (McNally, other Jerry interviews) I doubt Jerry would have had the band indulge in the overt Obama/Boxer/Pelosi support we've seen in the past year from Bobby and the boys. But if no Obama benefit = no '09 tour, one can argue with the impetus for the reunion but the later result is undeniably grate. :-)
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"Goin' home, goin' home, by the waterside I will rest my bones; listen to the river sing sweet songs to rock my soul"
"I will walk alone by the black muddy river and sing me a song of my own"
July 31, 1976
http://www.reporterherald.com/webextra/1976flood/
Reading Rick's post about mail patterns from Estes to Denver brought back vivid memories of the night the dam broke up near Estes Park releasing floodwaters into the Big Thompson Canyon. I was returning from Frontier Days, a festival in Cheyenne, with friends Chris and Christine, en route to Estes and eventually back down thru Ward & Nederland. Heading west from Loveland on US 34, we pulled into a liquor store for a bottle of JD # 7 about 8:30 pm. Had we not stopped & continued up into the canyon, we most certainly would've met our makers. Instead, we saw the Colorado Highway Patrol set up roadblocks and close westbound traffic. I think 139 people died in the raging waters, with another 5 or 6 never found due to this disaster, resulting from cloud seeding effects in efforts to create rain.....
Haven't been back to Loveland or Berthoud since, but I imagine it's really grown.
Loveland and Berthoud
If you haven't been back since 76, man I bet you wouldn't even recognize the area!! It's grown at an alarming rate.
The Big Thompson flood is still one of the greatest disasters in Colo history..
"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
A technical request
I have had trouble reading the DVDs in a couple of the recent vines, in particular the SHN/FLAC 1973 and SHN/FLAC 1970 series. After doing some research, I have learned that my DVD drive cannot read DVDs that are burned in UDF format. There are competing DVD formats and the Mac OS has stayed with the old format (ISO, also known as ISO-9660) rather than fully adopting the newer standard (UDF), which Microsoft is behind (shock, amazement!). So DVDs burned in UDF format look blank to the DVD drive on my Mac but can be read by the DVD drive in my laptop from work, which is (of course) a PC. To get around the problem I've been using my work laptop to transfer the FLAC/SHN files to a USB drive, which my Mac can then read. The only alternative is to buy a $50 piece of software that enables the Mac DVD drive to read UDF format, and I am obviously trying to avoid that option.
Okay, enough gobbledygook, here's the quick and easy solution, for those willing to accommodate me (and probably, any other Mac users in the Vineyard): when you burn the DVDs, use ISO format instead of UDF format. Everybody's DVD drives can read the ISO format, so it won't cause problems for either the Mac or PC users. From what I've read, the settings on DVD-burning software for the PC are easy to change to ISO format just before a burn.
Many thanks, and now back to regular programming . . .
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"They say Cain caught Abel rolling loaded dice"
What's this eh?
How did this topic come about? I guess I have some catching up to do.
meta topic
This is the thread we should use to make it easier on Marye, so that when she goes to the new vines thread she doesn't have to wade through a bunch of posts to find the new vines to be posted. People are still posting comments over there, but not to the same extent, and hopefully soon everyone will know to come here to talk about vining, future vines, etc. Good to have you back, Lopezz!
oh
and by future vines, I mean vines that you are working on posting for later, not vines that are ready to go. For vines that are ready to go and you want people to start signing up, post over at the New Vines section. I believe Marye's intent is for only "new vines" to be posted there, and for all discussions to occur here.