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    Was a student there at the time. Saw the JGB in Campbell Hall (76?),With collaboration from various kind folks in the Dead.net vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

    Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

    (We're changing some things for 2009)

    BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

    MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are

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    reseeding topic
    On further thought, I think a reseeding topic would be fine. If no one offered to reseed a vine there, a pmail could be sent with a request for a reseed to one of the folks who already got the vine. To those who have been discussing this, thanks for thinking about this stuff and furthering the cause of keeping the vines running smoothly. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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    why I suggest a new topic is because most people, or at least I dont go through vine topics that i have already received and passed on. As a result, I have no idea that a vine which I already received has stalled. How am I supposed to offer to re-seed if i am not aware a vine has stalled? I suppose a pm system might work, but I don't see the harm in a separate topic asking for re-seeds. We can also post in the specific vine topic as well. A central re-seed request topic is something we can all check periodically. If I see a vine that I have, I can offer to re-seed without me continually checking each and every vine topic. We can post our offer to re-seed in the actual vine topic, as well. My opinion is to give it a shot and see if it works. However, if the community is against it, it is no big deal. I just think it will make it easier to re-seed without having to visit every topic. "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"
  • JackstrawfromC…
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    I like your suggestion Pomo1
    But if we could modify #3 to what Hal is suggesting, we'll be set. Lets keep a re-seeded vine on the original thread to keep all the info in one place. Next - how do we deal with folks who cannot be reached, so they get skipped but then they show back up and want the vine that skipped them? If you have to skip someone, move their name to the bottom of the list, or to the next in line on the list? I suppose this could remain flexible but if you get skipped, you should be able to still get the vine eventually I just don't know if it is fair to have to wait until the end of the list. But that would be the easiest solution. Or the person just has to sign back up again... Then again maybe I'm making too big a deal about it?? Just thought I'd throw that out there since we are on the topic... Have a grate weekend everyone and happy vining! "Escaping through the lily fields, I came across an empty space. It rainbow then exploded, left a bus stop in its place. The bus come by and I got on, thats when it all began. It was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of the bus to never ever land"
  • Hal R
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    reseeding vines topic - I am not sure if this is best as its own topic or not. After all if you already have a vine, you might not be looking through the reseed topic. I have reseeded several and the way I did it was by getting a pmail with a request for a reseed. It seems to work that way and also by posting on that vine's specific topic, thread. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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    Consensus?
    1. FLAC is the preferred format, but ultimately it is up to the seeder. As in the past, people should feel free to request that someone create audio cds from a FLAC vine, and it is up to fellow viners to choose to do so. 2. Re-vining an occassional show is not prohibited, provided there is at least some justification for doing so, such as the show fits within the theme of the new vine or it is a quality upgrade. 3. There will be a separate topic for requests regarding re-seeding a stalled vine. Before re-seeding, all reasonable efforts should be made to get the vine moving. "One watch by night, one watch by day If you get confused, listen to the music play"
  • Exploratory Da…
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    I am not against flac. Flac all you want. In fact, I have gotten a few flac vines by accident. I thought they were CD vines. I burned them to a DVD for storage and "future" use. I just don't want to see all vines go flac--that's all.
  • Arkdeadhead
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    Well Said Birdsong!
    I prefer flac because it ultimately puts less strain on my burner, but if my only option is burning a few cds for a show that I want, then so be it. I like flac for the quality, and for the reason I just stated. A 20 cd vine in the end, ends up being 40 cds once i get done uploading them to iTunes and then burning them, but I still love my CDS and until I get a transmitter that broadcasts my iTunes library through my stereo receiver then CDs are what I am stuck with it. Any way to listen to the Dead is better than no way!!
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    Its great to be a part of this !
    Derek, I really enjoyed your diatribe - it was quite constructive - and from the last couple of days I'm glad to see we still have a pulse out here...Y'all rock! I am a big fan of FLAC over WAV. FLAC are ridicuilously easy to manipulate with Traders's Little Helper and you can even play them back with foobar 2000 which you can get here: www.foobar2000.org Anyone who needs help using FLAC format I'm willing to work with you - PM me. As for vine duplication, it is getting harder to avoid, and in cases where only a WAV version previously circulated, FLAC would be an upgrade. Not to say that there aren't plenty of other ways to download these. And FLAC definitely takes up less space. Cosmic, what size hardhat do you wear? I am always game to reseed anything I've touched. Lonestar, thanks for doing some sleuthing - I'll reseed the 1st Anniversary Vine. I think a reasonable vine turnaround is 3-4 days with the ocassional week here and there. I'm certainly guilty of being slow now and then or failing to remember to post. But, I will never fail to answer a PM nor will I be offended if I am called on a slow turnaround - we all have the same goal - spread the music. Peace brothers and sisters! "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
  • Birdsong1969NJ
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    Flac you! Or Compression vs. MP3/Wav
    My thought process during these Vineyard "meetings of the minds" with a lot of different opinions is; I try to put myself in that makeshift Sausalito office with unmatching squeaky chairs in a band meeting, and think - "What would Jerry say"? In my imagination of course it would go something like this: (He lights a Camel)" Listen Man, who gives a shit? If Joe-Blow (no pun intended) has a machine from the fucking "Enterprise" that will compress musical notes into macromolecules so be it. Let him flac away. If Joe-Snow (pun intended) has the original boom box from the Fat Albert show that just plays plain old CD's, well he should be able to listen to the same stuff as Blow. I don't care about the music once it leaves our stacks, but they do, so it should be made available to all." I share Jerry's opinion. Some of the community is not Flac compatible. They should not be told what they can and what they cannot get off this forum. On the other hand people that are compression friendly have the choice to sign up for a vine that is not compressed. Something Iknowurider said struck me. She said " I have a good many shows that leave a lot to be desired concerning sound quality, but over the years I guess I've felt/heard them so much that I don't even notice. UNTIL I get the primo stuff, whoo hoo!!!" I can relate. The primo stuff is UN-REAL. It is the quality I dreamed of when I had my quite large collection of scratchy fucked up cassettes. I listened to a choice few (Freedom Hall 74' I would rewind Eyes of the World over and over and over, Barton Hall 77', and Starlight Amphitheatre 85') until they were so stretched out Jerry sounded like a frog on helium or they had some form of liquid spilled and spent too many hours on a 120 degree dashboard that they would just seize up and I would be pulling spools of tape out of my Alpine! Point is, then IT DID NOT MATTER! I have never been one to like light cigarettes (quit two years ago!), light beer, or any kind of stepped on watered down shit! When I heard my first couple of compressed soundboards of shows that I had listened too a million times I WAS HOOKED! I am not a "techy" but I am figuring out how to make Flac work for me because I love the quality. That's my choice. Exploratory Data does not want to spend the time and neither does his machine. That's his choice. This community should make a pact to provide the music for anyone who has the capability to so in any modern (no LP's, 45's, 8-Tracks or cassettes please!) format. I think the reality is, it will always be up to the seeder to decide how she, or he is going to vine the show. If she or he decides to seed just a compressed version in my experience there will always be some cool person that will convert them and add the MP3's to the vine if there is a request. (These opinions of "what would Jerry say" are purely from my warped Lysergic infused brain and are not meant to make anyone think I am a totally psycho dude who thinks he's Jerry). "Say you'll come back when you can Whenever your airplane happens to land Maybe I'll be back here too It all depends on what's with you."
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    No Flac
    I perfer audio Wav or MP3 files. I don't have time for flac files, and it takes 1 hour to unflac/unpak 1 show on my computer. I don't have an ipod, itunes or iphone or any other "i" device. So, before the pro-Flac vigilantes take over, let me say, keep the audio CDs a coming--especially for 3 or less shows in a vine.
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Was a student there at the time. Saw the JGB in Campbell Hall (76?),With collaboration from various kind folks in the Dead.net vining community, our own erickat prepared this handy guide explaining how vining works hereabouts. Many thanks to all involved, and vine on! --

Dead.Net Vines - What It Is & How It Works

(We're changing some things for 2009)

BACKGROUND: The concept of a "vine" is music sharing through conventional means (e.g. mailing cd's or dvd's) with the sign-up list being on-line. The basic idea is that someone starts (seeds) a vine, made up of one or multiple shows,and sends it via mail to the first person who signs up. That person makes a copy for themselves and sends the ORIGINAL media on to the next person on the list. As more people sign up, it continues to grow and grow - hence the name "vine".

MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS: Make sure you can deal with the media format. Many vines are

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I agree with you about 81. I went to a few of the shows you are vining and especially recall the Barton Hall show as one of my favorites. Damn, I miss those days. Thanks. "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." Albert Einstein
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I'm still working on the summer 81 vine, which should be ready soon, but in the meantime I can start an August 1980 vine. "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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Here is another vine of 5 shows to represent the "grate-ness" of the early '80's. Grateful Dead - August 17, 1980 Municipal Auditorium - Kansas City, MO gd1980-08-17.sbd.miller Grateful Dead - August 21, 1980 Uptown Theatre - Chicago, IL gd1980-08-21.sbd.miller Grateful Dead - August 29, 1980 The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA gd1980-08-29.senn421.wise.miller Grateful Dead - August 30, 1980 The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA gd1980-08-30.senn421.wise.miller 8/31/80 - Grateful Dead Capital Centre - Landover, MD gd1980-08-31.senn421.sbd.miller The 8/17 and 8/21 shows are excellent miller sbd's. The 8/29 and 8/30 Philly shows are excellent aud recordings and the 8/31 show is an aud for set 1 and a sbd for set 2, both sets mastered by Miller. These are shn/flac files on a DVD(s). "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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Hi GD folks, here's a nice new flac vine for the group...if somebody wants to rock this down to audio format, you guys work that out...Ursa Minor Allman Bros. Band 10-31-86 Madison Square Garden, NYC. FM>MC>DAT>CDR 1. midnight rider 2. blue sky 3. one way out 4. statesboro blues 5. southbound 6. jessica 7. good lovin'! ------------------------------------------------- 04-22-95 Palace Theatre, Louisville, Ky. Nakamichi 300's XY 8th row left of center>DAT>DAT>CDR 1. statesboro blues 2. midnight rider 3. one way out 4. blue sky 5. what's done is done 6. soulshine 7. the same thing disc 2 1. dreams (splice) 2. change my way of livin' 3. end of the line (level adjustments) 4. gambler's roll 5. back where it all begins disc 3 1. hootchie coochie man 2. no one to run with anymore 3. in memory of elizabeth reed encore: 4. southbound w/ derek trucks 5. whipping post ---------------------------------------------- 05-05-96 Palace Theatre, Louisville, Ky. Nueman KM-40's>DAT>CDR 11th row center disc 1 1. don't want you no more> 2. ain't my cross to bear> 3. ain't wastin' time no more 4. blue sky 5. good clean fun 6. worried down with the blues 7. standback! disc 2 1. true gravity> 2. drums> 3. bass solo/Jam> 4. true gravity -------set 2-------- 5. I know I'll leave here 6. you don't love me 7. change my way of livin' disc 3 1. stormy monday 2. in memory of elizabeth reed 3. end of the line 4. no one to run with anymore --------encore-------- 5. back where it all begins *6. elizabeth reed (front row Mid slide condenser>DAT) ---------------------------------------------------------- 05-22-95 Warfield Theatre, San Francisco, Ca. Nueman U-89's>Nagra Digtial open reel>DAT 25' spread disc 1 1. intro> 2. sailin' cross the devil's sea 3. statesboro blues 4. blue sky 5. what's done is done 6. change my way of livin' 7. soulshine 8. seven turns 9. midnight rider 10. the same thing disc 2 1. jessica> 2. casey jones jam> 3. mountain jam> 4. jessica 5.---------set 2---------- 6. southbound w/ john popper - harmonica 7. stormy monday w/ john popper - harmonica 8. whipping post (encore) disc 3 1. no one to run with anymore 2. you don't love me 3. temptation is a gun 4. back where it all begins 5. in memory of elizabeth reed> 6. drums> 7. bass solo> 8. elizabeth reed reprise 9. one way out w/ john popper - harmonica ----------------------------------------------------- Dickey Betts w/ Great Southern 02-12-87 My father's Place, Roslyn, NYC 1. Hideaway 2. Your Memory Ain't What It Used To Be 3. Just For A Night 4. Nothing You Can Do (There Ain't) 5. Thunder And Lightning 6. In Memory of Elizabeth Reed 7. Blue Sky 8. One Way Out 9. Crime Of The Century 10. Jessica Encore 11. Southbound 12. Ramblin' Man Comments: some nice sounding Audience sources of the ABB. I prefer the upfront of SBD location with the ABB becuase it captures their sound better than the SBD's. These are some decent sounding shows without the compression that the SBD's frequent becuase of the loud guitar SPL's. The 94 warfield's sequence track order is a little bit hacked , but the show is complete. I also prefer the 90's line up with Warren Haynes, Allan Woody and founding original member Dickey Betts. It's not the ABB without Betts. Enjoy!!! http://www.myspace.com/donnieloeffler sign ups: 1. 2. 3. 4.
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Nice to see you back seeding !! This one looks nice !! I`ll put my name on it as soon as Marye finds it a home , for sure .. You Rock Bro !! Thank you ..
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Hi Deadhead taper folks, could somebody PLEASE seed a Cornell 77 matrix show and any other 77 matrix sources I can play them on archive.org but can't download them :( it's possible I can capture them digitally through a digital USB>spdif>DAT>Roxio>CDR , but that's alot of work , plus the compression on playback via the net probably isn't worth it in the long run.... somebody's gotta have it... Ursa http://www.myspace.com/donnieloeffler "the warm wet world of analog audio"
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Which one would you like? gd77-05-08.mtx.seamons.97274.sbeok.flac16 gd77-05-08.MTX.dan.35086.flac24 gd77-05-08.mtx.dan.29511.sbeok.flacf gd77-05-08.mtx-set2.haugh.26857.shnf PM me & I'll snag it & put it out, but likely, you'll want it in lossless format, so I'll find other 77 shows to fill up the space on a dvd
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Matrix by Hunter Seamons using Final Cut Pro (SHN & FLAC>AIFF>Final Cut>WAV>FLAC) of the following shows ---------------------------------------------------- SBD (shnid=4982): Betty Board -- Master 7" Nagra reels 1/2 track @ 7.5ips>Sony PCM 501. Playback on Sony PCM 701>DAT (Digital Transfer) -- Rob Eaton DBX Decoding (Spring '99) Playback on Panasonic 4100 DAT>DB 924 D/A>Dolby 361's w/dbx K9-22 Cards>DB 124 A/D>Neve Capricorn (Digital mixing console)>DB 300S>Panasonic 4100 DAT>DAT>Digi Coax Cable>Tascam CD-RW 700>CDR (x1)>SHN (Rob Eaton remaster) ---------------------------------------------------- AUD (shnid=29303): Handheld Shure 57's, 10 Feet From Stage, DFC>TC152>MC MC>CDR>EAC>WAV>FLAC Notes: 10 Feet From Stage = Great Instrument Pickup, Vocals A Bit Lower Than Moore's Copy. A Few Pauses But Not Many, Tape Filp After Supplication, Flip During NFA Crossfaded And Is Barely Noticeable, Probably Lost 3-4 Sec's, Minimal Crowd Chatter, But With Handheld Mic's, Up Front, There Are A Few Spots Where In An Ideal World, A Few People Would Have Been Standing Somewhere Else. Recording And Transfer: Jeff Stevenson Notes: 1) Warning: this might steal your face - the sound is impeccable, thanks to truly excellent sources for a matrix.
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So far, I've got the following 77 matrix shows for Ursa 5/4,5/8,6/7,6/9 you can call it what you will, but i'd suggest Ursa's Matrices
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You guys can do what you want, of course, but unless you have been asleep for the past 2 months you know that with the help of many I have been putting together the entire year of 1977. Part 2 includes Matrices for 5/4 and 5/8. And the next part, soon to be unleashed, I believe will include matrices for 6/7 and 6/9. It would make sense to start an Ursa Matrices vine if that vine is also going to include WAV files. But if it is lossless only, I don't really see the point.
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Howdy GD heads, whatever you guys can put togehter...I'm not sure on what source is the best for matrix...maybe a good look at archive.org would be suffice...since a matrix can be a little tricky for somebody remastering ie. time/delay alignment...I'm not sure who is doing the best job... but anyway, this was something I thought never to be possible in the late 80's, but now with the software and digital remastering possible, it would be really cool to see more of these out there... I "heard" that silberman was actually running a 4 track digital reel at some of the shows and pointed a set of mics on the back speakers to capture quad mixing live at the shows...I've never seen those appear in circulation...I have seen some 5.1 mixes out there , but those are not like silberman was going to capture most likely - had anybody heard of what I'm talking about...? thanks alot guys and let me know what you guys are going to offer so I can JUMP in many thanks erickat and I will be seeding some more nice non-GD stuff from my collection that isn't in general circulation...I'm now going back to remaster over 500 hrs of DAT cheers! Ursa Minor http://www.myspace.com/donnieloeffler "the warm wet world of analog audio"
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Thanks dstache, erikat, and Ursa Minor for this matrix project. :-)
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mega vines intimidate some folks. Ursa asked - and i fulfilled - there is room for both the home depot approach as well as the boutique shop. I would have put out just the barton hall show in audio, but I figured if he's looking for matrix shows, I'll lump a whole bunch in. this one's not about size - it's about responsiveness. I like everything lossless - but will push out some audio stuff for folks that need it. I've also put out vines in response to requests for specific shows - there's no one size that fits all & we're making this up as we go along anyway.If someone has requests for stuff they'd like to see come around, let me know. So... Marye, got that Ursa vine for me?
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Like the ones listed above?? Like #1 says "Check the Vinedex" .. we shouldn't vine stuff that has already been vined. I personally could care less but was just wondering. Big vines shouldn't be intimidating - it's not like you HAVE to copy everything included in the vine. Plus the mega vines lately have been lossless - which means a lot of music on 4 DVD's tops. What intimidates me is opening up a package filled with 15 CD's. :-) Burning wav files takes forever. But to each their own and that's what makes this place so fun! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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The rules are meant as a framework to ensure that things go as smoothly as possible - and encuorage communication - but as is stated in the "how this works" section (which I wrote in conjunction with many others here), this is the most free and unencumbered by rules vining community in existance. It's one thing to specify healthy protocol for the process of exchanging information - but when you start to tell me how and what I can vine (outside of legal issues) then that goes too far.I typically push out small wav vines for folks who don't do lossless - which i'm certain many have enjoyed (but which some have criticized) - When a vine has has any size to it at all, I put out in a lossless format on dvd's - and others choose to convert or not convert, down the line - I won't tell them what to do - other than to please forward the originals, not copies. If you like, we can take this to the meta topic - but this is not about individuals here (unless you want to celebrate Marye) - it's about the music.
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Every single vine you have provided here for us eric. They have been awesome. But you are taking this the wrong way my friend I wasn't "telling you what you can and what you cannot vine". And I most certainly was not criticizing anything or anyone I was just stating my opinion and preference and I totally apologize if I offended you but trust me that was not my intention. Chill brother... "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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sometimes it's not the words that come across- but the tone. all of us have limited time left in this plane - and to quote Robert Hunter ... "If I had the strength to know - which things count and which are show - I'd hold my fate within my hands instead of all these chains and bands" life is too short for limits - and there's room for all while we're waiting
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Have we vined any dolby surround sound 5.1's yet? I have a few if anyones interested, includingIthaca, NY '77 and. RFK 6/10/73 Of course, if you don't have a dolby surround 5.1 amplifier or a cd player that plays 5.1's your hosed.
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Civic Center Springfield, MA June 30, 1974 DTS-Audio-CD 5.1 Mix I'll see if i have others to include there, before it goes out
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An vast compilation of Jerry without the Dead put together by a certain Chris Davis. Recently retorrented (for torrenters it is up on etree and other usual places with the title Garcia Compilations--Vol. 1-10--Complete ). Had to be vined in celebration of Jerry week! 1 DVD of FLACs rolling out into 10 CDs of Jerry through the ages. Around 80% sbd material. Notes include full details of each recording and comments from the compiler. Garcia Compilation (Volume 1). 1. Cats Under the Stars 3/18/78; 2. Love in the Afternoon 11/23/77; 3. New York City* 6/4/74; 4. Rubin and Cherise 4/10/82; 5. Neighbor, Neighbor 8/30/74; 6. Heavens Door** 3/11/78; 7. Ill Be With Thee 3/18/78; 8. Drove Old Dixie Down 7/20/76; 9. Ride Mighty High 7/9/76; 10. Palm Sunday 3/18/78. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Garcia Compilation (Volume 2). 1. Tore Up 11/15/76; 2. Train to Cry 5/5/82; 3. After Midnight > 2/17/80; 4. Eleanor Rigby jam > 5. After Midnight (reprise); 6. Mississippi Moon 4/12/75; 7. Sing Me Back Home 6/4/82; 8. Positively 4th Street 12/21/79; 9. Goodnight Irene* 4/21/82. *with Dr. John on piano. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Garcia Compilation (Volume 3: Garcia and Sanders). 1. Think 2/9/74; 2. Someday Baby 7/8/73; 3. Let It Rock 11/15/74; 4. He Aint Give You None 8/24/74; 5. The Harder They Come 11/28/74; 6. Its No Use* 6/30/72; 7. Roadrunner 2/5/74; -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Garcia Compilation (Volume 4). 1. Ill Take a Melody 3/8/80; 2. How Sweet It Is 2/12/80; 3. Mission in the Rain 2/19/78; 4. Tough Mama 1/27/76; 5. Sitting Here in Limbo* 12/19/75; 6. Masterpiece 2/29/80; 7. Russian Lullabye 1/24/80 . -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Garcia Compilation (Volume 5 Garcia Grisman mix). 1. Sweet Sunny South* 12/8/91; 2. Off to Sea Once More 2/3/91; 3. Drink Up and Go Home 5/7/92; 4. Friend of the Devil 8/25/91; 5. Heavens Door** 3/xx/95; 6. So What 9/17/93; 7. Oh, the Wind and Rain 5/xx/92; 8. Im Troubled 5/8/92; 9. The Thrill is Gone 5/xx/92; 10. Louis Collins 12/8/91; 11. She Belongs to Me 5/xx/92; 12. Eat my Dust*** 8/25/91; 13. Ripple*** 8/25/91; 14. Jam Into Shady Grove** 3/xx/95; 15. Shady Grove** 3/xx/95. *duet, with banjos; **with Tony Rice; ***with Bela Fleck. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Garcia Compilation (Volume 6: 90’s JGB). 1. Shining Star 11/19/93; 2. Dear Prudence 2/5/94; 3. C'est La Vie (You Never Can Tell) 4/25/94; 4. The Maker 2/6/94; 5. Strugglin man 8/14/94; 6. Lets Spend the Night Together* 5/2/92. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Garcia Compilation (Volume 7: Garcia and Guests). 01. Finders Keepers* 1/19/74; 02. Think** 8/30/87; 03. Right Back Together*** 1/7/76; 04. Will the Weaver**** 5/4/63; 05. Sick and Tired***** 6/30/72; 06. Money Honey* 12/20/75; 07. Turtle Dove****** 12/17/87; 08. Born on the Bayou******* 5/27/89; 09. Wang Dang Doodle******** 12/4/88; 10. Heavens Door** 8/30/87. * Matt Kelly (Garcia/Saunders); ** Bonnie Raitt (JGB); *** James Booker (JGB); **** Sara Ruppenthal Garcia (Jerry and Sara); ***** Tom Fogerty (Garcia/Saunders); ****** Joan Baez (Garcia/Kahn/Weir); ******* John Fogerty (Fogerty/Garcia/Weir/Randy Jackson/Steve Jordan); ******** Neil Young (Garcia/Weir/Wasserman) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Garcia Compilation (Volume 8: Saxophone Jerry mix). 1. The Love Each Other* 9/10/89; 2. Waiting for a Miracle* 9/16/89; 3. Tangled Up In Blue** 11/12/93; 4. Hope It Wont Be This Way Always* 9/10/89; 5. Lay Down Sally** 11/12/93; 6. Dont Let Go* > 9/11/89; 7. Lonesome and a Long Way From Home*; 8. I Shall Be Released* 12/2/89; *with Clarence Clemons; **with David Murray -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Garcia Compilation (Volume 9: Spirit of 76). 1. Sugaree 9/11/76; 2. Stop That Train 8/22/76; 3. Catfish John 11/15/76; 4. That's What Love Will Make You Do 9/11/76; 5. A Strange Man 1/27/76; 6. Stir It Up 7/20/76; 7. Mission in the Rain 1/27/76; 8. Mystery Train 7/9/76 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Garcia Compilation (Volume 10: Jerry and John Kahn). 01. Stagger Lee 4/21/82; 02. To Lay Me Down 6/3/84; 03. Valerie 8/23/82; 04. Oh Babe it Aint No Lie 5/5/82; 05. Peggy-O 11/26/84; 06. She Belongs To Me 10/16/85; 07. Jack A Roe 6/4/82; 08. Gomorrah 1/28/86; 09. Little Sadie 11/14/86; 10. Masterpiece 1/27/86; 11. Run For the Roses 11/18/84; 12. Rubin and Cherise 5/5/82; 13. Ripple 6/4/82. Sign here when posted 1 2 3 4 5
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How about Bobby, Too? Grateful Dead Compilation "Rockin' Bobby" disc 1: (78:45) 01. (3:16) The Race Is On 5/5/90 02. (10:55) Truckin' 7/9/89 03. (3:07) Big Boy Pete 11/17/78* 04. (4:00) Bob's Comments on archive.org 2005 05. (5:1 Brother Esau 8/27/83 06. (8:43) Memphis Blues 10/9/89 07. (5:39) Green Green Grass 6/27/69 08. (7:06) Cassidy** 9/10/91 09. (4:13) Take Me to the River 7/9/95 10. (8:22) Dancin --> 10/3/76 11. (14:01) Not Fade Away --> 10/3/76 12. (4:05) Dancin 10/3/76 All SBD Sources, except Esau: Senn 421 Notes: *Bob Weir and Friends **with Branford Marsalis disc 2: (78:26) 01. (9:0 Little Red Rooster 6/24/83 02. (13:42) Corinna --> Jam* 3/9/92 03. (8:37) New Potato Caboose --> 2/14/68 04. (6:27) Born Cross Eyed 2/14/68 05. (0:37) Bobs picks movie stars to play the Dead 1987 06. (6:31) Ballad of a Thin man 4/1/88 07. (2:42) Dire Wolf 6/21/69 08. (3:46) Spoonful** 9/6/85 09. (8:40) Looks Like Rain 6/9/77 10. (0:53) Bobs Comments on T Stones 1987 11. (8:42) Throwing Stones --> 4/13/83 12. (8:41) Good Lovin 4/13/83 All SBD Sources, except: Rooster (fob) Nak 300 and: Spoonful Oade Schoeps Notes: *mostly without Garcia **without Garcia disc 3: (74:47) 01. (4:34) Salt Lake City 2/21/95 02. (3:24) Sage and Spirit 8/13/75 03. (0:41) Bobs Comments on Minglewood 2/79 04. (7:09) Minglewood 6/7/80 05. (6:25) Bobby McGee 4/2/73 06. (3:10) B.I.O.D.T.L. 7/7/78 07. (5:50) WRS Prelude, Part 1--> 11/20/73 08. (13:23) Let It Grow 8/3/82 09. (4:4 This Time Forever 11/17/78* 10. (2:25) Yellow Dog Story 3/8/70 11. (1:24) Frozen Logger 12/26/70 12. (10:23) Space @ 12/15/94 13. (6:51) Black Throated Wind 11/14/73 14. (4:20) Promised Land** 6/10/73 All SBD Sources, except: Minglewood MAC and: Space AKG 460B + CK8 Notes: @Weir on acoustic *Bob Wier and Friends **w/ Allman Bros and Merle Saunders disc 4: (77:56) 01. (7:04) Jam Into Passenger --> 3/5/81 02. (5:12) Passenger* 3/5/81 03. (0:35) The Accident 10/30/80 04. (7:19) Gloria jam --> 12/1/79 05. (7:02) C.C. Ryder** 12/1/79 06. (5:00) Jam out of C.C. Ryder 12/1/79 07. (2:52) Me and My Uncle*** 2/23/70 08. (9:3 Lazy Lightning --> Supplication 5/22/82 09. (6:14) Heaven Help the Fool 10/7/80 10. (6:45) Miracle 2/10/79 11. (0:4 Bobs Poacher Joke 1/6/78 12. (3:0 Silver Threads and Golden Needles 7/4/69 13. (7:24) Picasso Moon 3/27/95 14. (2:02) Microphone Monitor Level Test 4/22/71 15. (0:13) FM Banter --> 3/23/75 16. (4:0 Johnny B. Goode 3/23/75 All SBD Sources, except: Miracle (fob) Sony ECM-250 -> CM Notes: *without Garcia **first C.C. Ryder ***Solo, Acoustic disc 5: (79:53) 01. (8:07) Music Never Stopped 7/7/78 02. (6:29) Big River 1/6/78 03. (7:25) Lost Sailor --> 4/17/82 04. (7:10) Saint of Circumstance --> 4/17/82 05. (5:20) Spanish Jam* --> 4/17/82 06. (0:10) Drums..... 4/17/82 07. (4:07) Whinin Boy Blues 11/17/78** 08. (3:42) Jam into The Other One --> 6/24/91 09. (15:54) The Other One 7/2/71 10. (9:49) Desolation Row 3/24/90 11. (3:34) Seasons 8/2/69 12. (0:5 Bobs Comments on Samson 2/79 13. (7:0 Samson and Delilah 9/18/82 All SBD Sources Notes: *Without Garcia **Bob Weir and Friends disc 6: (77:26) 01. (8:07) Feel Like a Stranger 3/9/81 02. (2:57) Sawmill 1/31/70 03. (10:31) Estimated Prophet 12/30/86 04. (6:26) Walkin' Blues 7/3/88 05. (0:13) Bob Gives Taping Advice 8/6/71 06. (2:32) Monkey and the Engineer 10/11/80 07. (4:3 One More Saturday Night 4/14/72 08. (5:4 Masterpiece 9/12/90 09. (7:5 Women R Smarter 6/22/86 10. (3:15) Slewfoot 6/28/69 11. (6:21) Gloria 5/21/92 12. (0:29) Thank You Uncle Bobo 12/31/80 13. (7:36) Around and Around 10/27/79 14. (3:53) On the Road Again 11/26/80 15. (6:42) Satisfaction 4/9/82 All SBD Sources disc 7: (79:41) 01. (0:20) Bobs Comments on Bucket 1987 02. (6:21) Hell in a Bucket 10/12/89 03. (9:45) Eternity 3/28/93 04. (2:34) Mama Tried --> 12/10/79 05. (5:32) Mexicali Blues 9/26/91 06. (5:0 Walkin' the Dog 11/21/85 07. (2:26) KC Moan 9/24/94* 08. (6:46) Jack Straw** 1/7/78 09. (5:17) Smokestack Lightning 4/3/91 10. (4:13) Money, Money 5/19/74 11. (6:33) Bob Star*** 4/15/83 12. (5:13) All Along the Watchtower 3/31/89 13. (3:41) Bound in Memories**** 1/31/70 14. (6:19) The Last Time***** 8/21/93 15. (9:33) Sugar Magnolia 12/6/73 All SBD Sources. Notes: *Phil and Friends, acoustic **No Garcia Vocals ***First Time ****Only Time *****with Huey Lewis disc 8: (79:54) 01. (8:31) Wang Dang Doodle 9/13/91 02. (2:41) Wake Up Little Susie 5/1/70 03. (4:57) Fever 9/13/87 04. (5:59) Victim or the Crime 7/17/88 05. (6:57) Superstitious --> Bottom 6/28/85 06. (6:03) El Paso@ 10/14/84 07. (8:19) The Same Thing 5/27/93 08. (6:01) Kansas City 10/28/85 09. (6:42) Queen Jane Approximately 7/15/89 10. (6:19) Easy Answers* 9/22/93 11. (1:17) MTV Unplugged Banter 9/24/94** 12. (3:07) New Orleans 6/6/70 13. (4:51) Greatest Story Ever Told 5/17/74 14. (8:10) (Turn on Your) Lovelight 6/27/85 All SBD Sources, except Fever: (fob) Schoeps Notes: @Weir on acoustic *with David Murray disc 9: (79:54) 01. (15:39) Playin' in the Band --> 4/14/82 02. (3:1 Hully Gully* 10/16/81 03. (7:36) King Bee 12/8/93 04. (0:46) "Take a Step Back" 5/8/77 05. (8:15) Playin' Jam 3/28/86 06. (9:24) Good Morning Little Schoolgirl** 6/25/92 07. (4:21) Dark Hollow 9/25/80 08. (4:06) Playin Reprise 4/14/82 09. (0:47) Weir and Jorma Backstage 5/18/68 10. (8:33) All Over Now 5/11/81 11. (9:01) ...Not Fade Away*** --> Chant 12/31/90 filler: Ratdog HOB Myrtle Beach (taped by Kenny Watts) 12. (8:0 Touch of Gray**** 3/17/06 All SBD sources, except Touch: (fob) AKG 480/ck61 Notes: *Only time played **with Steve Miller and James Cotton ***with Branford Marsalis ****with Bela Fleck and the Flecktones
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My plans for the Playboy vine have been delayed until September. We are into a very busy time. It is pre-back to school fun time for the family. A weekend at Hershey PA. Another long weekend at Mashout. Google it. it is a blast. The new computer will not be up and running until after Mashout. Peace. DMTT
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WOW. Can't wait for this one! Right after Jerry Week, too. Kind of makes me chuckle when I see this vine and think about the "Road Trip Complete Shows Only Whiners." "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." Albert Einstein
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Part 3 of this vine is ready to go. Multiple sources for many of the shows in this period will be included. Thanks again to jsfc, Hippy, Pomo1, Estim8ed, Arkdeadhead, CB, Rick and Richard for all their help! Sources: 77-06-04.bertrando.goodbear.3417 77-06-04.fob.menke.motb.0096.97183 77-06-07.mtx.seamons.99001 77-06-07.sbd.hollister.24291 77-06-08.mtx.seamons.xxxxx 77-06-08.sbd.miller.25621 77-06-09.mtx.seamons.98801 77-06-09.sbd.miller.28614 77-09-28.95952.sbd.cantor-crouch-diebert-gmb 77-09-29.sbd.cantor-crouch-diebert-gmb 77-10-01.sbd.crouch-diebert-gmb.86234 77-10-02.sbd.cantor-crouch-diebert-gmb.86354 77-10-06.sbd.gorinsky.5804 77-10-07.s2.sbd.miller.80753 77-10-09.sbd.miller.xxxxx 77-10-11.sbd.miller.87514 77-10-12.sbd.cotsman.19291 77-10-14.sbd.tetzeli.34260 The first four slots of the sign up list are reserved for contributors. This will go out tomorrow. Enjoy! (1) jackstrawfromcolorado (2) Arkdeadhead (3) Pomo1 (4) Estim8ed
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(that's 4.18.78 and 3.13.81 - if you add up all the numbers, you get 197. I couldn't think of a catchy name for this vine, so i turned to math. maybe Marye will come up with a better one. This is in response to a request from Pomo1, which I'm happy to oblige. So far this is what it is - but I may be adding an audience version of 3/13/81, since the sbd is set 2 only. I'll likely stick them on a DVD & you all can do what you like with it, down the road - one is shn, the other flac. Grateful Dead 4-18-78 Pittsburgh Civic Arena, Pittsburgh Disc 1 (70:34) set 1: 1. New Minglewood Blues (6:11) 2. Sugaree (14:33) 3. Looks Like Rain (8:19) 4. Dire Wolf (3:43) 5. tuning (2:29) 6. Beat It On Down The Line (4:14) 7. Loser (7:40) 8. El Paso (4:50) 9. Tennessee Jed (8:54) 10. Lazy Lightning--> (3:44) 11. Supplication (5:52) Disc 2 (55:01) set 2: 1. Scarlet Begonias--> (13:41) 2. Dancin' In The Streets--> (14:02) 3. Drums--> (18:20) 4. Samson & Delilah (8:57) Disc 3 (25:47) set 2 continued: 1. Terrapin Station--> (10:59) 2. Around & Around (9:14) encore: 3. U.S. Blues (5:33) GRATEFUL DEAD Memorial Auditorium Utica NY 03-13-1981 SBD (Mono) Second Set Only Disc One (59:34) 01 Cold Rain & Snow 02 Samson & Delilah 03 It Must Have Been The Roses 04 Estimated Prophet > 05 Eyes of the World > 06 Drums > Disc Two (36:35) 01 Space > 02 Lost Sailor > 03 Saint of Circumstance > 04 Wharf Rat > 05 Sugar Magnolia Please, no sign-ups until it has it's own topic, but It's going to Pomo1 first 1. Pomo1 2. 3.
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This vine came about through a series of individual trades in the mail. I have been collecting these for a while. I wanted to make sure there were no more out there before I vined it. Im not sure why these tracks got left off of the original Perro Tapes that circulates. In an interveiw Steven Barncard mentions more tapes that have never been mixed. These are very early versions of some well known songs. Most of them are in mono. Most of them do not have all the lyrics, there is a lot of humming and dodah-ing. Crosby and Garcia's jamming is extraordinary! Perro Tapes Companion 01. Cowboy Jam 02. Cowboy Movie 03. Dancer 04. Everybody's Been Burned 05. Music is Love 06. Song With No Words (tree with no leaves) 07. Tamalpais High (At About 3) 08. Laughing 09. Wall Song (with piano) 10. What are Their Names? 11. Wooden Ships Jam There will also be a bonus disc. A compilation of live CSNY recordings: Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young "Detroit Experience" 1. Suite: Judy Blue Eyes (3:41) 2. Blackbird (4:29) 3. On the Way Home (3:57) 4. Teach Your Children (4:25) 5. Triad (7:36) 6. Guinnevere (6:48) 7. Our House (4:43) 8. Country Girl (8:36) 9. Helpless (3:30) 10. Black Queen (8:26) 11. Pre-road Down (4:13) 12. I Must Learn to Live (5:36) 13. Long Time Gone (5:51) 14. Woodstock (4:25) This will be 4 audio cds, with flac files on a dvd.
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You are a kind and generous soul. In case anyone is wondering why I requested these two shows, Pittsburgh 4-18-78 was my first show and I met Jerry very briefly before the Utica show. Oh, and the music is pretty good, too. I especially recall the first set at Utica as being outstanding. "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." Albert Einstein
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The latest installment for 1981. Three more shows from May (yeah it would have been nice if I would have included these with the May 1981 vine but hey here they are now) and 4 from later in the summer. Most are sbd's with a couple very nice matrix shows sprinkled in. 2 DVD's of flac/shn files. Stay tuned for a Fall 1981 Vine coming soon! Grateful Dead Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum Uniondale, NY Saturday, May 9, 1981 gd81-05-09.mtx.seamons Grateful Dead - May 11, 1981 New Haven Coliseum - New Haven, CT gd81-05-11.sbd.miller Grateful Dead New Haven Coliseum New Haven, CT May 12, 1981 gd81-05-12.mtx.seamons Grateful Dead 07/13/81 McNichols Sports Arena - Denver, CO gd81-07-13.sbd.lai Grateful Dead Salt Palace Salt Lake City, UT August 12, 1981 gd81-08-12.sbd.munder Grateful Dead - August 30, 1981 Compton Terrace Amphitheatre Tempe, AZ gd81-08-30.sbd.fishman Grateful Dead - August 31, 1981 Aladdin Hotel Theatre - Las Vegas, NV gd81-08-31.sbd.miller "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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Hey folks , since compilations are the "in" right now , How about this one . Grateful Dead Primal Pigpen Blues - A Pigpen Compilation 1966-1972 Lineage: Various SBDs> shn> wav> CD> wav> FLAc Frontend Disk 1 / Set I: 01. Tastebud (Come Back Baby) - 66-05-19 - Avalon 02. Ain't It Crazy (The Rub) - 71-04-28 - Fillmore East 03. Chinatown Shuffle - 72-04-14 - Copenhagen, Denmark 04. I'm A King Bee - 66-11-19 - Fillmore 05. Easy Wind - 70-12-31 - Winterland 06. The Same Thing - 67-03-18 - Winterland 07. It Hurts Me Too - 67-10-22 - Winterland 08. In The Midnight Hour - 67-09-03 - Rio Nido, CA Disk 2 / Set II: 01. Mr. Charlie - 72-05-26 - London, UK 02. Pain in My Heart - 66-11-19 - Fillmore 03. Next Time You See Me - 72-04-26 - Frankfurt, Germany 04. Smokestack Lightnin' - 70-02-14 - Fillmore East 05. Sick and Tired - 66-05-19 - Avalon 06. Big Boss Man - 66-07-17 - Fillmore 07. Two Souls in Communion - 72-05-04 - Paris, France 08. Good Lovin'> - 71-04-25 - Fillmore East 09. Turn On Your Lovelight - 68-02-14 - Carousel Ballroom Encore: 10. Hey Jude - 69-03-01 - Fillmore West This is a mix I made from my collection a while back. In my mind, it showcases the "essential" Pigpen in all his glory. If you want raw blues and epic raps, I think that this compilation covers mostly all of the ground needed to showcase the different sides of Ron McKernan. This is my first upload, so I hope everything is correct. Eric espod@conncoll.edu I`ll have this converted and on two cdr`s . A must have for any Pig fan !! Hope you all enjoy this as much as I am . Thank you Eric for seeding this ! Evrything is more then correct it is perffect !!
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August 16 1969 - Back to Max Yasger’s Farm Friends I offer this show on 1 DVD FALC/SHN and 2 CD-R WAV. Enjoy and try to live up to our legacies. Peace Rick DVD for the compulsive among us gd69-08-16.sbd.cotsman.15205.sbeok.shnf gd69-08-16.sbd.finney.6103.sbefail.shnf gd69-08-16.sbd.gmb.95917.flac24 gd69-08-16.sbd.gmb.95918.sbeok.flac16 and in WAV gd69-08-16.sbd.gmb.95918.sbeok.flac16 Grateful Dead Woodstock Music & Arts Fair Max Yasger's Farm Bethel, New York August 16, 1969 - Saturday Source: 8 Track Master Reels @ 15ips > DAT Transfer: Panasonic SV-3700 > Cardas cable S/PDIF > Edirol UA-5 > analog out > Korg MR-1 DFF @ [1bit/2.8 mhz] Rate Conversion: AudioGate to [24bit/96 khz] Mastering: In WaveLab with L3 Waves Multimaximizer Rate Conversion with r8brain to [16bit/44.1 khz] > TLH > Flac DAT Supplied by trailmix Transfer and mastering by Bill Koucky, Green Mountain Bros. November 16, 2008 Fixed November 18, 2008 Disc 1 44:19 1. Stage Announcements, Introduction [3:08] 2. Saint Stephen > [2:04] 3. Mama Tried > [2:42] 4. High Time false start [0:38] 5. Stage Banter. Technical Difficulties [10:28] 6. Dark Star > [19:05] 7. High Time [6:10] Disc 2 40:24 1. Turn On Your Lovelight [38:23] 2. Applause, Stage Announcements [1:52] This is the fixed version of shn/95856 Drop Outs in removed and crossfaded from High Time at [0:01], There were two segments of Lovelight that had additional 4+ minutes of repeated music that was edited out at [11:36] and [28:40] these cuts were removed then crossfaded.
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This vine will be 4 DVDs, 3 of which I acquired from another source and the 4th sent to me by our good friend and intrepid viner Cosmicbadger. I tried not to repeat any of the shows vined in the 68 Eurovine, but there is probably a repeat or two on the CB disc as newer and cleaner sources have entered circulation. I am a little short on time so I am not going to list sources, but instead ask that the 1st person to sign up take 10 minutes and do this (thank you!). Dates included are: 1/17, 1/23, 1/27, 2/2, 2/3, 3/16 (outtakes only), 5/18, 5/xx, 6/14, 6/19, 8/21, 8/22, 8/28, 9/2, 9/20, 10/10, 10/13, 10/30, 12/7, 12/16, 12/20, and 12/21. If you sign up for this and the Eurovine, you should have just about everything from this formative year. First person to sign up after Marye posts a thread for this vine, please PM me your address.
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Here concludes a fine vine, fantastic year, and perhaps the greatest of all tours. CB generously donated newer sources for 12/18 and 12/19 (only the outtakes have been included, not any of the DP's tracks). 3 DVDs. I am short on time and ask that the first person to sign up take 10 minutes and post the sources. Dates on this part are: 11/21, 11/23, 11/25, 12/1, 12/4 (partial), 12/6, 12/8, 12/12, 12/18, 12/19 (outtakes only). First person to sign up after Marye posts a threat for this vine, please PM me your address.
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Marye has never "threat[ened]" any of us. I meant thread of course. Here concludes a fine vine, fantastic year, and perhaps the greatest of all tours. CB generously donated newer sources for 12/18 and 12/19 (only the outtakes have been included, not any of the DP's tracks). 3 DVDs. I am short on time and ask that the first person to sign up take 10 minutes and post the sources. Dates on this part are: 11/21, 11/23, 11/25, 12/1, 12/4 (partial), 12/6, 12/8, 12/12, 12/18, 12/19 (outtakes only). First person to sign up after Marye posts a threat for this vine, please PM me your address.
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I propose the entire Garcia '74 shows all in lossless format on DVD only. This will be in 5 installments. Many of these will be audience recordings taped by our great preservationist brothers including the recently deceased Jerry Moore (RIP), and will include a large number of SBD recordings. Much of this material are shows with the late Merl Saunders. In my humble opinion, '74 was one of Jerry's best years, if not his best year for solo non-GD work. As far as I know, these represent the best of what is out there, but what the hell do I know? First one to signup after Marye posts the new vine please PM me. Installment One (of Five) '74 Garcia Project: jg74-01-17.jgms.aud.tobin.76471.sbeok.flac16 jg74-01-17.jgms.dts-corrected.tobin.90398.flac jg74-01-17.jgms.mtx.tobin.90365.sbeok.flac16 jg74-01-17.jgms.sbd.kaplan.20678.sbeok.shnf jg74-01-17.jgms.sbd.tobin.76474.sbeok.flac16 jg74-01-18.jgms.aud-falanga.jupille.8873.sbeok.shnf jg74-01-19.jgms.sbd.jjoops.8064.sbeok.shnf jg74-02-05.jgms.sbd.jjoops.11254.sbeok.shnf jg74-02-05.jgms.sbd.ladner.32088.sbeok.flac16 jg74-02-09.jgms.partial.sbd.seff.6381.sbeok.shnf jg74-02-09.jgms.sbd.jjoops.17787.sbeok.shnf jg74-02-09.jgms.sbd.kung.30597.sbeok.flac16 jg74-02-16.jgms.aud.falanga.jupille.8063.sbeok.shnf jg74-02-16.jgms.sbd.gems.91471.sbeok.flac16 jg74-02-xx.jgms.aud.falanga.warner.8654.sbeok.shnf jg74-03-08.partial.kpfa-gans.32377.sbeok.flac16 jg74-03-09.jgms.sbd.unknown.33750.sbeok.flac16 Thanks, Unclejon "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"