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  • Oroborous
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    to start…
    Hopefully another DHB today!

    Edit: 22 was nice, but the 23 JG seems to be really enjoying ole Brucey helping out!

    Uncle T: love that show! Lotso good sheet on fall 91…oh David?

    Jonathan: agree, Cutler made things sound very clean, facilitated by removing all the speakers off stage and isolating the drums. His mix on ITD to me is the sound of the Grateful Dead. His recordings are pristine…BUT!!…no offense, we always thought his live mix in person was way too quiet.
    People used to hassle him about it too.
    I preferred Healy in the hall, but Cutler on tape…but hey, just my two centavos from someone who’s stereo could be heard two houses away…with all the windows closed lol. Those were the days, thought R&R was never gonna die…

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    ...Return To

    oakland
    oct 31st 1991
    today

    PEACE for ALL
    uncle_tripel

  • jonathan918@GD
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    John Cutler SBD's

    I think the mix JC had with the boards from 94-95, to my ears, sound fantastic. It doesn't seem many are in circulation but the "true" boards that are have a very "clean" mix, IMHO. I really wish the great spring 1993 tour was recorded in this way, but alas they werent. Also, I thinnk the drums/space segment from shows really showcase the potentail of this particular recording process. Mickey and Billy were some real MVP's in those final two years of the band

    Just my 2 cents

    Rock on, gang!

  • strat-wolf-bean
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    DaP43 - 11.02.69 & 12.26.69

    Because it's way Way WAY better than engaging with anything else that might be available/ongoing this evening.

    GBtGOGD

  • proudfoot
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    D'oh!

    double post

  • proudfoot
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    in the car

    7/29/74 bonus disc

  • daverock
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    Look down angel

    "Tempest" by Bob Dylan. How come he has made so many great albums ? Most people I know haven't made any.

  • Oroborous
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    Hoping DHB🤞

    A lot to do today!
    3/17/95 currently
    3/18&19/95 Shlater…

    RE: Late era SBs…
    I’m guessing John Cutler wasn’t letting folks patch in direct for whatever reason. I would certainly assume they made recordings.
    I.e., Like the DATs used for the released DaPs…
    Yeah, Harry Popick, the longtime monitor guy (at big mix desk left of Phil) might have been eventually delegated to making recordings? That would make it less likely for direct feeds to tapers…I’m guessing he must have had a master mix for guests or himself (he can hear any of the mixes individually or any combination) since the individual musician mixes were custom, which often did not include all the other musicians and definitely would have had things in their mix at different levels so a feed like that would probably sound pretty goofy to a civilian? i.e., smidge of kick drum, low bass, loud vocals, yours a tad louder, JG, no Vinny…you can customize it any way you like.
    Now if someone had a comprehensive, balanced mix, THAT, could sound good, but in my experience, most musicians don’t want everything, or certain things up in their mix, if in it at all.
    BITD we didn’t have in ears, so you often would just put certain things in your floor monitor mix, since you’d still hear most of the instruments etc from their amps (and often the PA) I mostly had vocals, a little kick drum, and any acoustic instruments I couldn’t other wise hear. It gets easily cluttered up so you learn to use just what you really need. But they of course were on a whole different level utilizing dozens of channels all custom mixed to their preferences.
    Very interesting though? We’ll have to learn more about it.
    There definitely are monitor mixes on arch labeled as SBs, but you’d have to think they have better stuff than that in the vault.
    PLUS!, remember, this is the digital age now and folks were starting to bring in some serious digital gear by the end…so I can see the band not allowing direct hi res board feeds to such gear, which you could only really guarantee by not having any direct feeds. Pesky DH pranksters would find a way given the opportunity lol
    Berry interesting…

    Oh, yeah they had a talk feature so they could communicate verbally if need be, which since certain individuals didn’t have everyone in there mix could be helpful,., it was fun when occasionally that would accidentally get into the main PA mix and we’d hear it out front.

  • uncle_tripel
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    ...in phl
    aug 4th 1974

    keep smilin'

    PEACE for ALL!
    uncle_tripel

  • icecrmcnkd
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    93-95 SBD’s

    Many/most that I’ve heard that are labeled ‘SBD’ are actually ear monitor.
    I read years ago that the ear monitors were run by a separate soundboard on side stage which is why you can hear the band members talk to each other.
    I don’t think that they sound as good as a true ‘SBD’.
    I suspect that the true SBD’s do exist, due to the ease at the time of just recording to a HD, and they are being withheld.

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Irfan, Seraphim, & The Eternal Return.
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The Time Jumpers - Little Sister & Amy Helm - Didn't It Rain
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Houdini LP Just goes to show you don't ever know...what deadheads listen to.
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https://youtu.be/H1uSxhFcJn4 and I really liked this one..... Well I never been to England But I kinda like the Beatles Well, I headed for Las Vegas Only made it out to Needles Can you feel it It must be real it Feels so good Oh, feels so good
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https://youtu.be/rtKQaYjBxN0 funny thing is, like Neil Diamond and the Grateful Dead, people either love or hate TTB, I haven't seen any middle ground among my friends. one thing you can't argue is that they have fun.....and with 12 touring band members who all get equal pay according to an Interview I saw with Derek in 2011, it clearly is not a money grab.
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Pink Floyd - Live- Olympic Stadium, Montréal , Quebec , Canada . July 06 , 1977 Peace, -Dave
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grab an extra, please... https://youtu.be/jiwktkw_rqE that video was the beginning of TTB, Susan slumming with the Derek Trucks Band at Eric Clapton's Crossroads Guitar Festival in Chicago...the rest is history.