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May 1977: Get Shown The Light (All Music Edition)

WHAT'S INSIDE:
Four Complete Shows on 11 discs
Four folios housed in a slipcase
5/5/77 Veterans Memorial Coliseum: New Haven, CT
5/7/77 Boston Garden: Boston, MA
5/8/77 Barton Hall, Cornell University: Ithaca, NY
5/9/77 Buffalo Memorial Auditorium: Buffalo, NY
50-page book of liners and photographs
Sourced from the Betty Cantor-Jackson soundboard recordings, transferred by Plangent Processes
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Artwork by Grammy-winning graphic artist Masaki Koike
Release Date: May 5, 2017

WHAT DEAD HEADS HAVE BEEN SAYING ABOUT...

NEW HAVEN 5/5/77
"Here is a prime example of the saying ‘the whole is greater than the sum of the parts’ … It’s called synergy and the Dead wrote the book on it.”

BOSTON 5/7/77
“The music they laid down brought me places I had not been before.”

CORNELL 5/8/77
“...the single best rock performance anywhere, anytime, by anyone.”

“There was just some kind of magical connection this night between the band members and the band and the audience - some texture, or some type of cosmic or celestial force is in the room.”

"This show is, was, and always will be Mecca.”

BUFFALO 5/9/77
"...an awesome display of the Dead’s captivating power"

If you've been following this site for quite some time, then you will know we are often flush with hyperbole when it comes to our releases. We can't help it, really - for we, like you, are Grateful Dead fans above all else. Just like you, we've spent countless hours debating the merits of show over show, year over year. We've kept a watchful eye on your wish-lists and carefully considered how to make - excuse the cliché - your dreams come true. And once we've made our commitments, we are steadfast in our determination to conjure up those dreams fully-formed and nearly perfect. Sometimes these heights cannot be reached without physical and cosmic elements aligning, and that, dear friends, is why it has taken so long for us to bring you THE ONE and the epic shows that surrounded it. No need for even the slightest embellishment here, 5/8/77 Barton Hall, Cornell University: Ithaca, NY, has for decades, been THE resounding favorite; you've said it yourselves - the "holy grail" of Grateful Dead shows. Thanks to the passion and perseverance of Dead Heads like you, we are beyond pleased to finally be able to present this show and its brethren, the fabled four of Spring '77, in sonically pristine condition.

MAY 1977: GET SHOWN THE LIGHT is a collection of what is unanimously believed to be the most sought-after previously unreleased complete shows the Grateful Dead ever played. Collected, traded, and debated for decades, "the beloved Golden Trinity" of Boston, Ithaca, and Buffalo, along with their New Haven prelude, have inspired fans to "get on the bus," converted critics, and even garnered national attention (Cornell was added to the Library of Congress’ National Recording Registry). But until now, you've never really heard them quite like this!

The Dead is in the details... how serendipitous is it that the notorious Betty Cantor-Jackson soundboard recordings were returned to the archive just in time for the 40th anniversaries of these shows? Lovingly sourced from these well-reputed recordings, we invite you to experience four utopian shows just like they happened, to "be inside the music" as engineer Betty Cantor-Jackson intended. Whether you listen to each night on its own or imbibe the whole lot at once, we suspect you'll hear why every note mattered. Much like we were, you will be hard-pressed to determine which of these fine documents - will it be the understated but nuanced New Haven, Boston's festive fantasy vibes, the monumental catharsis of Ithaca, or Buffalo’s dreamy exuberance - is truly "the best." Does it really matter? We think not.

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February 22, 2017 - 5:36pm

#3711

Kayak Guy

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Mr Claney

Yes that is my data entry, it's every where, but comes from a much larger page of foot notes for the WBOTB project I did when the internet ran on tubes and people traded by the mail on CDs and eventually HDs. I just did a quick search and there are over 50,000 references to the same BBS list. here's a more complete one. http://www.taperssection.com/reference/html/NFO_WBOTB/bettyall.htm I can tell it's from my site because it has a dead link to my 11/6/77 info page on the same site. The original copy came from one of those green and white dot matrix printer scrolls I printed on my Atari 600 in the late 80s. This was what I typed into Frontpage 98 and created the WBOTB footnote project for a then running CD tree from the DATs. I did a lot of data entry of what now is considered cut & paste content for others. Those text files didn't write themselves, standardizing format for file naming so it's uniform enough to put into a system like LMA. I was one of many volunteers that did data entry, but that Betty Boards list is my data entry and out of context now the site it was originally on is no longer active. Neither is my fondness for those time release adderall 30s that inspired the site. It's nice to know it's considered as highly as it is, Somebody had to do it and it turned out to be me ;)
February 22, 2017 - 5:04pm

#3712

JimInMD

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June 27, 2011

July 78

I don't believe 7/1, 7/3 and 7/5 were in the vault. I bet if they were.. Dick would have leaked em.
February 22, 2017 - 4:43pm

#3713

Cousins Of The…

Joined:
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Thanks Vguy

That's just exactly, perfectly beautiful.
February 22, 2017 - 4:36pm

#3714

Anatexis22

Joined:
August 9, 2012

FW69

Hey, I'm no lawyer, but the statement that was quoted pertains to the box set only. It does not seem to preclude making making the individual full shows available as separately purchased CDs or digital downloads. Apply the Plangent process and you are creating a different product. Whether or not they think this is worth their effort--and it may not be--is another question. "Fillmore West 1969-The Complete Recordings is a LIMITED EDITION. Each box set will be individually numbered out of 10,000, and there will be no second pressings or reprints. Once they're gone, they're gone for good."
February 22, 2017 - 4:21pm

#3715

claney

Joined:
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Betty Board questions

My attempt at answering some BB questions that came up - all just my best attempts: Brian 0051 - I think the answer to the 5/4/72 question is that they used the 16-track recording for the official release; the BB would be a 2-track that she made separately (?). Red Rocks 78 were indeed from the returned stash, that was announced when the July 78 Box came out (and is why we were all expecting a Cornell release this year). Wadeocu - I think the 7/1, 7/3, and 7/5 1978 shows were already in the Vault, which is why they would not have circulated in SBD. The Red Rocks shows circulated, ironically, because they were missing form the Vault and were thus able to be circulated by traders. Ah, 6/4/77, which I think might be my favorite of the year (I'd be more certain if it were a SBD) - but alas, Dave has said that it was never recorded in SBD at all. Luckily it was recorded in AUD, and the show is freaking amazing - but the SBD just doesn't exist and never will. Cool list KG, thanks for sharing (are you saying that the list used by Relix was copied from yours? That's pretty awesome. Dennis - YES to a Port Chester 71 Box. Forget Gainesville, WHAT ABOUT ALASKA? hehehe.
February 22, 2017 - 3:22pm

#3716

Kayak Guy

Joined:
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More Betty Lists

I had to go deep to find it, but i always thought this was a far more interesting list and was from the people that allowed the tapes to be circulated and now have returned them to the vault. Note the last 5 DATs :) The original DAT WBOTB by tape # Each tape is a 90 meter tape as follows: Tape #1 - 2 18 71 all xx xx 69 Pigpen solo project outtakes (2 songs) Tape #2 - 2 19 71 all Tape #3 - 2 20 71 all Tape #4 - 2 21 71 all Tape #5 - 2 23 71 all Tape #6 - 2 24 71 all Tape #7 - 4 5 71 all Tape #8 - 4 6 71 all Tape #9 - 4 7 71 all 8 xx 73 Wake of the Flood outtakes Tape #10 - 4 8 71 all Tape #11 - 12 14 71 all Tape #12 - 5 7 72 2b (x)Other ... Encore: One More Sat. Night 4 22 79 2p (x)He's Gone ... Around and Around(x) 00 00 77 Terrapin Station dub of master reel 8 27 72 3b Sugar Magnolia ... One More Sat. Night Tape #13 - 8 21 72 1b,2 1b=(x)Casey Jones, 2=all 8 22 72 2a Brown Eyed Women ... Hey Bo Diddley(x) Tape #14 - 8 22 72 2b NFA ... NFA(x) 8 25 72 all 6 22 73 2p He's Gone ... Other One(x) 6 14 76 2b Help on the Way ... Encore: US Blues Tape #15 - 8 27 72 1,2,3p 1,2=all 3p=Dark Star ... Sugar Magnolia(x) Tape #16 - 3 16 73 1,2p 1=all, 2p=(x)Morning Dew ... Encore: Sugar Magnolia Tape #17 - 3 21 73 1,2p 1=all, 2p=Greatest Story ... Me and Bobby McGee Tape #18 - 3 21 73 2p WRS ... Encore: Casey Jones 3 28 73 2p WRS ... Encore: Johnny B. Goode Tape #19 - 3 22 73 1,2p 1=all, 2p=(x)Other One ... Encore: One More Sat. Night 10 9 80 e1p Feel Like A Stranger ... Brown Eyed Women(x) Tape #20 - 3 24 73 1p,2 1p=(x)HCS ... Playin', 2=all Tape #21 - 5 26 73 1,2 1,2=all Tape #22 - 5 26 73 3 3=all 5 4 72 1p 1p=(x)Greatest Story ... Two Souls in Communion Tape #23 - 6 22 73 1,2p 1=all, 2p=HCS ... Big RR Blues Tape #24 - 6 15 76 all Tape #25 - 6 29 76 all 6 29 76 p p=interleave reel parts for reel flips Tape #26 - 2 26 77 all Tape #27 - 5 5 77 all Tape #28 - 5 7 77 1,2 1,2=Bertha ... Around and Around Tape #29 - 5 8 77 all Tape #30 - 5 9 77 all
February 22, 2017 - 3:20pm

#3717

Vguy72

Joined:
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Stumbled across this....

.....and I found it pretty cool https://youtu.be/BvOkKNCsNPQ
February 22, 2017 - 1:08pm

#3718

Sixtus_

Joined:
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re: Kayak Guy

...preach it brother. Good to see you adding-in your expertise across the decades and offering a little (if perhaps unnerving) speculation regarding a potential fate of the archive sbds.... here's to hoping things don't stray too far off the currently traveled path. I suppose ABCD will have the final say in that alphabet soup. Sixtus
February 22, 2017 - 1:04pm

#3719

August West Wh…

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Seth - I hope Betty gets paid, but doubt she will & the box pric

I see your point Seth on the box price, but anyone who ordered the 'bells and whistles' version could quickly and easily cancel that order (opening it up for those who missed out)and order the cheaper stripped down version since it doesn't come out until 5/5/17. As for Betty, I don't see her getting a penny of our money. Maybe we should start a go fundme for her? she got so screwed after the break up, they dropped her like a brick. Heads love her and she was a genius, the best tapes are from her hard work.
February 22, 2017 - 12:25pm

#3720

Kayak Guy

Joined:
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Betty Board(TM) List and random speculation

That list is incomplete and based on the WBOTB DAT trees, I know because it's my list, well I'm the one that typed it in to a webpage from a printout, and why I called it known Betty Boards.It's been cut & pasted from the day I typed it in. There is also a list of the uncirculating shows but it's a couple jpgs of handwritten notes and I didn't bother typing it in. the original heading was. This is a list of all known "Betty boards" as posted on Terrapin Station BBS in Darion CT (no longer on-line). Betty Cantor-Jackson Soundboards <<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't even include the WBOTB DAT tree info of reel info, dbx and other data. The list only contains the Betty's that made it into circulation by the people who returned the Betty's recently. The List does not include any Betty's being held ransom by the douche bag in the Relix article. That being said how about some speculation. ABCD Enterprises is the new "Vault" set up as a LLC and Rhino distributes the product from ABCD Enterprises LLC under license and not GDP directly. To Paraphrase Daffy Duck Rhino is having a semantics problem. The New box has 3 versions, a digital, a standard and a super deluxe version. I see the Super Deluxe version more like the bonus disks they used to add to early preorders but with out giving away any more from the Vault for free. The CDs cost the same but the first 10,000 got something extra. The WMG store experience was sort of like being roofied. The pay downloads will come online when LMA SBDs go offline. Could Gainsville be some sort of record release? Isn't record store day in April?

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May 1977: Get Shown The Light (All Music Edition)

WHAT'S INSIDE:
Four Complete Shows on 11 discs
Four folios housed in a slipcase
5/5/77 Veterans Memorial Coliseum: New Haven, CT
5/7/77 Boston Garden: Boston, MA
5/8/77 Barton Hall, Cornell University: Ithaca, NY
5/9/77 Buffalo Memorial Auditorium: Buffalo, NY
50-page book of liners and photographs
Sourced from the Betty Cantor-Jackson soundboard recordings, transferred by Plangent Processes
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Artwork by Grammy-winning graphic artist Masaki Koike
Release Date: May 5, 2017

WHAT DEAD HEADS HAVE BEEN SAYING ABOUT...

NEW HAVEN 5/5/77
"Here is a prime example of the saying ‘the whole is greater than the sum of the parts’ … It’s called synergy and the Dead wrote the book on it.”

BOSTON 5/7/77
“The music they laid down brought me places I had not been before.”

CORNELL 5/8/77
“...the single best rock performance anywhere, anytime, by anyone.”

“There was just some kind of magical connection this night between the band members and the band and the audience - some texture, or some type of cosmic or celestial force is in the room.”

"This show is, was, and always will be Mecca.”

BUFFALO 5/9/77
"...an awesome display of the Dead’s captivating power"

If you've been following this site for quite some time, then you will know we are often flush with hyperbole when it comes to our releases. We can't help it, really - for we, like you, are Grateful Dead fans above all else. Just like you, we've spent countless hours debating the merits of show over show, year over year. We've kept a watchful eye on your wish-lists and carefully considered how to make - excuse the cliché - your dreams come true. And once we've made our commitments, we are steadfast in our determination to conjure up those dreams fully-formed and nearly perfect. Sometimes these heights cannot be reached without physical and cosmic elements aligning, and that, dear friends, is why it has taken so long for us to bring you THE ONE and the epic shows that surrounded it. No need for even the slightest embellishment here, 5/8/77 Barton Hall, Cornell University: Ithaca, NY, has for decades, been THE resounding favorite; you've said it yourselves - the "holy grail" of Grateful Dead shows. Thanks to the passion and perseverance of Dead Heads like you, we are beyond pleased to finally be able to present this show and its brethren, the fabled four of Spring '77, in sonically pristine condition.

MAY 1977: GET SHOWN THE LIGHT is a collection of what is unanimously believed to be the most sought-after previously unreleased complete shows the Grateful Dead ever played. Collected, traded, and debated for decades, "the beloved Golden Trinity" of Boston, Ithaca, and Buffalo, along with their New Haven prelude, have inspired fans to "get on the bus," converted critics, and even garnered national attention (Cornell was added to the Library of Congress’ National Recording Registry). But until now, you've never really heard them quite like this!

The Dead is in the details... how serendipitous is it that the notorious Betty Cantor-Jackson soundboard recordings were returned to the archive just in time for the 40th anniversaries of these shows? Lovingly sourced from these well-reputed recordings, we invite you to experience four utopian shows just like they happened, to "be inside the music" as engineer Betty Cantor-Jackson intended. Whether you listen to each night on its own or imbibe the whole lot at once, we suspect you'll hear why every note mattered. Much like we were, you will be hard-pressed to determine which of these fine documents - will it be the understated but nuanced New Haven, Boston's festive fantasy vibes, the monumental catharsis of Ithaca, or Buffalo’s dreamy exuberance - is truly "the best." Does it really matter? We think not.

The "All Music" Edition

At the same price as the original.

nice marketing

Good way to sell CDs quick.

Grate

Idea!!! Remember it's ALL ABOUT THE MUSIC!!!!! However with that being said I'd rather see this with a lower price like say $99.98.

Wish they had preserved ...

... the lively ongoing discussion.

I found it:

Still here: http://www.dead.net/store/1970s/may-1977-get-shown-light-box

Good move

I think the music only edition is a good move. For me, it's the music that matters and not the "stuff". This makes the music available to those who want it. This is too good to be confined within 15K boxes. The price? Well, I can only assume that there was a high price to pay to even get the tapes.

rhino- kiss my $uckin ass-all music edition

i'll be returning my "numbered" box set because whiners like west and his CAP posts- f all you freakin cry babys-ruin it for everyone-and dont say this from all the whiners complaining that didnt get in-rhino had this planned the whole time-i can't believe this crap-i'm done buying this crap-been spending just like you west-since the 90's-but when i miss out do i complain i like need a sucker in my mouth-and "my heart goes out to you" screw all you hippy $ussys-

Download editions

Probably the mp3 edition will be $99.00 (or less), the lossless FLAC and other formats will be more expensive, but less expensive than the original (sold out) and this larger run ALL MUSIC EDITION.

Lame Bullshit!!!

They announced previously that they were releasing this as in digital formats this May, FLAC/mp3, so at the moment, this is a big fuck you to the people who pay attention and enjoy collectables. I'll be canceling my order. People who missed out could have gotten this digitally and burnt their discs. They had 3+ days to make their order. I'm done with the Grateful Dead's definition of limited edition. Bullshit!

just canceled my # box set

-there west-now there is one more # box set for you to get.JUST GOT OFF PHONE-you little whiny baby.i could see you when your all crying-i cant get through-waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa - go ahead and blast THIS as not being kind- GO F ALL YOU $USSY MOTHER F

What I am looking forward to the most...

I am highly sympathetic to those who missed out on the GSTL box. Obviously nobody predicted the Internet would break and cause some Deadicated Heads to be denied. Hope this never happens again, and hope those in need get remedied. When I first read about the release there were sparks and shocks. First shock was Cornell is being released. Second was a box with these three other upper deck shows. This was enough to make me feel faint and in need of a seat. I poked though further and was pumped that the 8th was a stand alone. Whaaaat...wait..vinyl? Sparks now flying for me now, a warm feeling hugged me like the sunshine did today and yesterday in the Northeast. Like others I spent more time than necessary making my order. Started thinking about this May 8th, the day I predict our presents will arrive; and I too drifted off into la la land. But, before all this goes down I will down load the FLAC GSTL box on the 5th. Sure the physical CD box will be nice when it arrives. Oh heavens to Betsy the vinyl sure will spin a haze of sonic brilliance. But nothing, nothing will sound as good as that high res download. This is by far and away what I am looking forward to the most. With these sparks, I will bast off...and might not return to Earth to check my mailbox on the 8th. Cheers!

All The music Edition

Excellent, and thank goodness :-)I happened to be utterly skint the last three days. I'd have been happier still with Buffalo as a stand alone release, but this is good; it's on my Christmas list :-) Nice to see the scalpers take a cold bath too :-) Also, i hope Betty is getting her cut; if not, we ought to start a pledge page and make a contribution for each remastered Betty board we buy ... just a thought. yeehaaa!

Limited addition?

Why are some people so mad that this got released as an all music addition? This all music addition does not detract from the awesome limited edition box set you have. The all music addition is the same price and doesn't come with all the extras. If you only bought the limited addition so that you can resell it for a bunch of extra cash (see the definition of a scalper), I can see how this probably lowers the resell value to only $250 instead of $300+. Boo-hoo. I got the limited box and am happy that I did. I'm also happy that anyone who missed out can now purchase this and hear the music. To be pissed about this is selfish and immature.

Liars

Well I guess it had to happen eventually. A promise broken just start make fillmore and stop kidding yourself make it indistinguishable from the original. People who wanted it had plenty of time to buy it and when it comes out buy the downloads after all "it's about the music" not owning cds in the beautiful slipcase. I was lied to Rhino

im selfish and immature

-f u dusty- im not interested in scamming others for 300 dollars-its about-sometimes there aint seat for all- -and if this is -all about the music- sell it for less than 100- screw you dusty

dusty

you probably cried all the time as baby-stick something in your mouth

Why be upset?

It's disappointing to see this "all music edition" after spending two days frantically trying to order this box. Otherwise, I'm happy that everyone is in.

Scalper

Screw you it has nothing to do with scalping anymore than owning a 641/2 Mustang and enjoying the uniqueness make you a scalper

Its About the Music

Guys, chill out. It is about the music not the box. I usually order most everything released, but for those things I missed, I'd be happy to take an "All Music Edition" (although it should be cheaper Rhino). Anyway, why should people who weren't on the scene with money in hand when Fillmore West was released have to pony up hundreds on eBay or be denied these shows? And BTW who are these people who buy up limited edition GD sets and sell them for a profit? no deadhead I know would do that.

would you pay 150 if

the all music edition came out 1st? this is the biggest ass scam- i was so looking foward to this-come home-read west and others are whining like babys because they didnt take opp when they had-then come back a little later-there is all music edition-F U ALL

I really do not mind the all

I really do not mind the all music addition, but shouldn't it be cheaper because you are getting less than the limited edition? At least make it $129.99.

Does anger impair grammar and punctuation?

I'm not the one crying here. Take your hate speech and 4th grade writing style elsewhere.

DUSTY

if i kiss your a$$ and write like dylan can i stay?you too stupid to see the scam-go back to your tv-

GDP/Rhino misleading and deceptive practices

This has nothing to do with scalping. I've never sold a single object on ebay or craigslist. It has to do with GDP and Rhino being misleading and deceptive in their practices and their news release. They knew this was going to sell out quickly and stated so in the newsletter. The newsletter went on to say that that FLACs and ALACs would be available in May. Anyone who wanted to listen to all of these shows could have. It is a cash grab and a finger in the face of those who pay attention and knew about this for months. If they had in turn, including this other box set in their announcement via newsletter and other outlets, it would be a completely different story. This isn't about GDP making people happy. It's about making themGDP/Rhino more money. I'm out. I already cancelled my "limited edition" set, as well as my 7" vinyl subscription. I'll get these off the internet for free and get the last laugh. I've given thGPD tens of thousands of dollars over my lifetime, and my line has been drawn. Money grubbing band, not money grubbing collectors, lets get that right.

Good Decision

This was a good decision. The demand for the box was clearly underestimated. I am glad I got through and got mine ordered on day 1 (after 7.5 hours. But since they missed the mark on demand a lot, putting this out, minus the book, for the same price, was a really good thing to do. I am glad for everyone who wasn't able to get it right away, but now will get what matters - the music.

overwhelming demand??!!!!!!!!!

no shit rhino what did you expect- YOU EXPECTED EXACTLY THIS- i only bought one box set- you stupid too jack

scalpers are pissed

Please cancel your orders and allow a worthy Deadhead to claim your box. So sorry your "limited collectible" (i.e. eBay sale) isn't so exclusive anymore. Allowing as many people as possible to have these CDs is only a good thing, and is so much more important than your little tantrums.

More is good

Glad everyone is going to get a chance to get this. People have been waiting for these shows for a long time. I got mine on the first day, but I can understand the frustration of people who got shut out. I understand everyone's anger at the web fiasco and hope this gets fixed and doesn't happen again. I sat there and tried to order for 8 hours before I finally got through. As for the price.....150 bucks barely gets you dinner in New York. I'm glad to get these shows and have no problem with TPTB getting their cut so that they can continue to release shows! We are all pretty spoiled by the wealth of material released. We should be thankful and smile smile smile.

2nd box

Hey jerk straw my 2nd box was bought for a friend who's a little short right now. Bottom line is this Rhino lied you approve sort of like Fox News and Trump.which one are you

No Problem With This...

I really don't have a problem with a music only edition that lacks a number, in fact I welcome it. I've bought every archival release the GD has put out and I have never thought about it as an investment.Glad everyone is going to have a shot at this run of shows in the format they prefer. It's about the music. I happened to get my order in through Rhino after a few struggles that many of us experienced on Thursday. Yes, the box I got will have a number but that is not what it is about imho. I couldn't tell you the numbers of any of the box sets I have, nor do I stare at them as I jam the tunes. Glad they are opening this up so a ton of people can enjoy the music unlike the coveted Fillmore 69 box. The reality is they announced this box set going into a holiday weekend and they are making sure that people aren't going to miss out on this set. We should be enjoying the triumphant return of these Betty Boards to the vault!

Backfired....

....one would figure that when they announced they were making more, everyone would be happy. All I'm reading is spiteful, demeaning comments. Kinda sad. Although I would agree the all music should be priced less. You get no book and no fancy packaging....

THANK YOU GDM!

I was able to order the box during the first night of sale, but it took three hours of frustration.I was able to order the FW69 box back when that came out. And I was able to order Complete E72 when that came out. I check Dead.net too many times each day to be considered mentally healthy, but I don't want to miss anything. I understand that some people are not here so often and can miss major events like these release announcements. Part of me thinks they should "Work harder" at keeping up, but ultimately I can sympathize with them. I am very happy that you went with an All Music Edition plan on this new release. I am glad you did that with CE72 also. I wish you would on FW69 too. These are CORNERSTONE collections of Deadmusic. This music has a legacy of being widely shared. The size of the Deadhead community reflects this history. Sharing the music is the good vibe. Hiding the music is BS. (I do enjoy most 70s Dead more than most 80s Dead, but I want ALL of it SHARED!) This business model of limited editions has made commercially viable the releasing of a vast amount of music. I thank you for that. But, it has also attracted and cultivated a "collector" community in our midst. I wish TPTB could settle on a new business model that isn't so inviting to selfish "collectors". Poetry420: Please Do cancel your order, sir. There are Deadheads that will gladly take your copy off GDM's hands.

Stop the bs

It ain't the music it's the I want something physical. If it was the music you'd just buy the download. No it's become ok for everyone to lie. Trump has taught you well. I wonder what your word is worth if you would so easily encourage another to break theirs. Rhino better give those of us who back them asap each release something to make up for this disgrace. Beware the future Dead/Rhino

If they (Rhino/GD) can make

If they (Rhino/GD) can make an "All Music Edition" of this to help "make sure that everyone who wants the remastered audio from these shows on CD is able to get it." Then Rhino/GD can make "All Music Editions" of the 30 Trips and May '77 boxes too! I want the music that was released on those boxes but was not able to procure the boxes at the time of release. Stop with the BS and if Rhino/GD TRULY means that they want everyone to hear the music then make "All Music Editions" of ALL the boxes!

hey snafu.....

.....so you don't want other cool deadheads to have this music? Why do you want to be "the only one who has it"? When I went to dead shows, we SHARED with each other........I guess you are only happy when others aren't?? I'm real glad others get to have this music and I am not a Trump guy. I do not understand your anger at all.

Just a thought

It seems as thought none the downloads are available for any of the box sets for some time now. I think they are have trouble with and won't be able to make good on this one being available for digital in may.

All music edition

That's what allowed me to get all the Europe '72 CDs. I hesitated on the steamer trunk and then it was gone..... The only people who should be upset about this are scalpers.

Cool with Me....

But this business model perhaps relies on the secondary market to move the initial product. I'm all for all music for all, But does that mean the "All Music" Editions of FW69 or even Dave's Picks Volumes 1-4 with bonus disc are on the way? If so, my credit card is ready. If not, so be it. I skipped work Thursday to score one of these (when we broke the Internet.). Release all the old stuff Rhino/Warner! The precedent is set! Peace and out! I just want the music anyway!!!!!

Limited Editions

Just my take, and this will hopefully not offend anyone. But I purchased the initial box, and couldn't be happier there's an All Music Edition. Honestly I was bummed when it sold out so quick, because this is a Holy Grail type of release. To me, this is like showing up to a sold out concert, then they decide to open up the grandstands and- the more the merrier. I'm the last person who wants anyone to miss out on the music. In a perfect world, limited editions wouldn't even exist- of course, just my opinion.

I have zero sympathy for scalpers

They take their risks, they live with them. Glad to see that this is being made more widely available. Good for everyone. So getting the booklet is a little bonus for jumping in early, and the price stays the same, so what? This stuff is really well made, takes a lot of effort to make, and should not be compared to a free bootleg or lower quality archive recording because it "used to be free". Even that was a gift from the band to allow it before it was ever a common practice. Without a sustainable model like this, we would never have access to such great quality recordings of these shows. While it's a bit disconcerting to always have to guess whether they will release more beyond the initial limited batches, it's their decision to make. Other than FW 69 complete, which very clearly stated it would not be extended beyond the first batch, I would think they can decide on whatever basis they want to whether to create re-issues. It worked for E72 and Dick's Picks, and I hope they will do more of Dave's Picks and Road Trips too eventually, through Real Gone or whomever, in reasonable quantities that work well for both them and the eager buyers out there.

Buffalo, mastered

Making hard-copy cd's available to everyone was the right move. These three nights are on the Mount Rushmore of shows. If there wouldn't be a full fledged revolt, they would probably reissue FW. Thank you. I can't wait to hear what Jeffrey's done with Betty's recordings.

Really

I am ashamed of this petty crap , wah I didn't get one so all that did suck , the dead suck , the vault sucks . and omg there making money. This whiney crap is exactly what is wrong with this country . I want it so I have a right to it . No you don't ! This is a business 1st and foremost , there job is to make money . Thinking they did . There will be a download just get that . Be glad this music is even available . I know dozens of you will blast me , don't care . Yes I got one , matter of fact I got 2 , one to play, one for when that one wears out someday . I have worn out many a record and cd , so I cover the bases . Just quit crying its annoying , if I hadn't gotten a copy I would of been oh well better luck next time . Been listening to this band since 71 . still don't have a right to anything.

15,000

I am confused as to how having an All Music Edition somehow diminishes the Limited Edition box set. It is still limited and collectible in its own right for those that like to collect things. I think the All Music Edition makes it accessible to people who really wanted physical media of all 4 shows of this release, but were not fortunate enough to get through, to get it without having to pay an extra premium.

Still a good buy.

Still, it is a good buy. You can get the Peter Conners book very cheap, if you know where to look. I'm glad this all music edition is available.

deja vu all over again

A first world problem, this. Which goes without saying, but I typed it anyway. "All Music Edition should be cheaper" No, it shouldn't. Those that scrambled to order before it sold out ~ an urgency created by the "limited edition" format ~ should not be penalized by paying more than they needed to, as they might've been quite content to opt for the cheaper edition had it been offered from the get-go. "the only people who should have a problem with this are scalpers" First, I don't have a problem with it and I ordered the Full Monty in time. But I don't quite agree ~ a measure of frustration should not be limited to "investors." Consider: * TPTB should really not be blindsided by overwhelming demand for this box, with its modest size vs. musically Herculean stature. The Europe '72 steamer (7200 units, six times as many discs) sold out in a weekend. Could anyone have reasonably assumed 15,000 would cut it for this release? Summer '78 is one thing, but the Cornell '77 run? * The limited quantity created a lot of stress for those trying to order it before it sold out. I had zero problems placing my order, but the issue was real enough for dead.net to issue an apology. * Then, there's just the false advertising factor -- the bad taste of a marketing ploy, whether it truly was or wasn't. Again, you just think the powers should know better by now. Last point said, this isn't nearly as lame-feeling as the Europe '72 announcement of individual show availability was for me. A lot more money was involved for that box, and I indeed felt hoodwinked. Because I would not have sprung for the whole tour had I known in advance. (Am I glad I did? You betcha ~ steamer trunk still might be my favorite box ever.) So I honor the right of the frustrated to feel so. That said, I'm honestly glad they made more in this case. I think it's the better thing to do than not, weighed against the degrees of impact to those offended. p.s. 5/8/77 overrated? Sure, ice cream and The Beatles are overrated, too....

anton

Revolver: Yes.AmeriCone Dream: No.

How does one . . .

. . . wear out a cd? In 30 years of buying those shiny puppies, I've NEVER worn one out.

Ice cream....

Neopolitan - yesMoose tracks - no. I could eat a whole tub of that yummy goodness

All the Drama now included for one low low price

I don't get it - people b!tch when it sells out and b!tch when they add a way to get the music. As someone pointed out, 15,000 is 2.1 million in revenue. So if for instance the July 78 box set sells only 7,500, they have 1 million dollars of unsold inventory on the books. It is a risk to release this, as it (cornell) has been widely commercially available for years as a bootleg of varying quality, but from the same source. Being a limited release is a marketing ploy, but certainly a reasonable one. Once it's sold out they no longer have to stock it, inventory it, let it get shop worn etc. With the number of releases possible from the betty boards coming in the next many years (5 a year is still 20 years) it is reasonable to limit how long each release is available. If you want just cornell, there was no limit. If you wanted the ancillary shows, they set a limit. Once they found demand exceeded the supply, they have a stripped down set to satisfy those people for whom a digital download was somehow unacceptable Is having a number on the box and a copy of the $15 book enough to drive you mad when you don't get it ? I have to admit I like the idea of a special box, but if it was between nothing and all music version, I'd complain a bit about the price being the same, but still buy it. Does it diminish the "value" of the numbered ones ? A bit yes, as the demand is being satisfied by making the unnumbered ones available. Is that a big issue - no - unless you were planning on cashing it in as an investment like beanie babies or a Franklin Mint limited edition plate "Cheeses of Nazareth" Is the investment value the primary interest in all this ? If so, you may wish to look on eBay for the princess Di beanie to put your 401k funds in, as dead cds seem to unreliable vehicles.

Kat

AmeriCone Dream: well, you know my answerAmerican Dream: meh, but the Crosby tunes are solid Vguy, Neapolitan: yeah, but Neapolitan Dynamite: even better (Cherry Garcia instead of strawberry) strawberry: Haagen Dazs or bust Kate, Haagen Daz strawberry: if you ever again entertain AmeriCone

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