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  • c_c
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    their Maiden voyage on her MayFLOWER
    first on the list of what they brought: BEER! http://www.mayflowerhistory.com/History/voyage6.php they might not have been so uptight after all... peace.
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    from zed to zee
    Large quantities of the troublesome and non conformist letter z were loaded in sealed crates aboard the ‘Mayflower’ along with a hundred or so similarly inclined people in an early and misguided attempt at nation building. They lay hidden for centuries slowly and dangerously mutating from zeds to zees until discovered by Mr Webster and let lose on the world without consideration of the damage they would do. Now they and their like (Starbucks, Microsoft, MacDonalds, Rhino Records) are everywhere and no amount of embittered sarcasm from the old country can stamp them out.
  • c_c
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    Z?
    never realiSed that! getting some zzzz... ( -;
  • GRTUD
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    The Letter "Z"
    In addition to a great album by MMJ, it is a versatile and spicy letter of the alphabet. Why then, are the folks across the pond so afraid to employ it's amaZing attributes? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to my underground lair.
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    102!
    I think these are all of the shows played in good old Pennsylvania: 102 shows, if my source is correct: 04/26/68- Electric Factory - Philadelphia, PA 04/27/68- Electric Factory - Philadelphia, PA 04/28/68- Electric Factory - Philadelphia, PA 12/06/68- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 02/07/69- Stanley Theater - Pittsburgh, PA 02/07/69- Stanley Theater - Pittsburgh, PA 02/14/69- Electric Factory - Philadelphia, PA 02/15/69- Electric Factory - Philadelphia, PA 05/16/70- Temple University - Philadelphia, PA 10/16/70- Irvine Auditorium - Philadelphia, PA 04/10/71- East Hall Franklin And Marshall Col. - Lancaster, PA 04/12/71- Civic Arena - Pittsburgh, PA 04/13/71- Catholic Youth Center - Scranton, PA 04/14/71- Bucknell University - Lewisburg, PA 04/15/71- Allegheny State College - Meadvllle, PA 09/21/72- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 03/24/73- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 09/20/73- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 09/21/73- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 09/24/73- Pittsburgh Civic Arena - Pittsburgh, PA 08/04/74- Philadelphia Civic Center - Philadelphia, PA 08/05/74- Philadelphia Civic Center - Philadelphia, PA 06/21/76- Tower Theater - Upper Darby, PA 06/22/76- Tower Theater - Upper Darby, PA 06/23/76- Tower Theater - Upper Darby, PA 06/24/76- Tower Theater - Upper Darby, PA 04/22/77- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 04/18/78- Pittsburgh Civic Arena - Pittsburgh, PA 05/13/78- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 01/05/79- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 01/12/79- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 05/07/79- Allan Kirby Field House (Lafayette College) - Easton, PA 05/08/79- Rec Hall (Penn State University) - State College, PA 11/05/79- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 11/06/79- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 11/30/79- Stanley Theater - Pittsburgh, PA 12/01/79- Stanley Theater - Pittsburgh, PA 05/06/80- Rec Hall (Penn State University) - State College, PA 08/29/80- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 08/30/80- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 03/05/81- Stanley Theater - Pittsburgh, PA 03/06/81- Stanley Theater - Pittsburgh, PA 05/02/81- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 05/04/81- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 09/25/81- Stabler Arena (Lehigh University) - Bethlehem, PA 10/19/81- Sports Palace - Barcelona, XSpain 11/29/81- Pittsburgh Civic Arena - Pittsburgh, PA 04/05/82- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 04/06/82- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 04/25/83- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 04/26/83- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 06/22/83- City Island - Harrisburg, PA 04/19/84- Philadelphia Civic Center - Philadelphia, PA 04/20/84- Philadelphia Civic Center - Philadelphia, PA 04/21/84- Philadelphia Civic Center - Philadelphia, PA 06/23/84- City Island - Harrisburg, PA 04/06/85- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 04/07/85- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 04/08/85- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 06/28/85- Hershey Park Stadium - Hershey, PA 07/02/85- Pittsburgh Civic Arena - Pittsburgh, PA 03/23/86- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 03/24/86- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 03/25/86- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 03/29/87- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 03/30/87- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 03/31/87- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 07/06/87- Pittsburgh Civic Arena - Pittsburgh, PA 07/10/87- John F. Kennedy Stadium - Philadelphia, PA 09/22/87- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 09/23/87- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 09/24/87- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 06/26/88- Pittsburgh Civic Arena - Pittsburgh, PA 09/08/88- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 09/09/88- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 09/11/88- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 09/12/88- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 04/02/89- Pittsburgh Civic Arena - Pittsburgh, PA 04/03/89- Pittsburgh Civic Arena - Pittsburgh, PA 07/07/89- John F. Kennedy Stadium - Philadelphia, PA 10/18/89- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 10/19/89- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 10/20/89- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 07/08/90- Three Rivers Stadium - Pittsburgh, PA 09/10/90- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 09/11/90- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 09/12/90- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 03/16/92- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 03/17/92- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 03/18/92- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 06/22/92- Star Lake Amphitheater - Burgettstown, PA 06/23/92- Star Lake Amphitheater - Burgettstown, PA 09/12/93- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 09/13/93- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 09/14/93- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 10/05/94- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 10/06/94- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 10/07/94- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 03/17/95- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 03/18/95- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 03/19/95- The Spectrum - Philadelphia, PA 06/30/95- Three Rivers Stadium - Pittsburgh, PA it WAS the 7/7/89 show that was the ery last show EVER at JFK, before the condemened the building, those walls sure came tumbling down that night... well, well, well, good ole' Pa. always a favorite place to tour, lots of rolling hills and beaUtiful coutry side. We especially loved visiting Amish country, hanging with the folks, talking about life and philosophy. Remarkably nice people, who certainly embraced a the golden rule. Those Quakers were certainly interesting folks, too-- but for some reason they always looked at us funny when we mentioned "oatmeal" We learned alot about non-violent civil disobedience in those daze, and added to our general well being by being around folks who weren't trying to "preach" us into their church, but kind people who were happy to share a meal and a chat about life and love of life. Once outside of the "tourist" spots, just meeting real regular folks was always a joy. Hershey Chocolatte never tasted so good as it did on that tour back in 85, I remember taking the factory tour with a bus load of freaks and there were plenty of "special" Hershey kisses that night. ( -; well, it tasted good until, SOMEONE, not mentioning any names (ACE McDANGER!) had the bright idea of blowing all of the gas money by buying a whole case or two of fucking chocolatte bars and we had to siphon off from another tribe of friends to get back on the road... I remember we got just barely enough fumes to make it down to Merryland south for the next couple of shows, but we had to forgo the journey out to STEELERS country in "it's the Pitts" Burg because of his antics and his whim to buy fucking chocolatte... fucking Ace McDanger, he was always a 'card' so to speak. He nearly cried when he learned that there were no M&Ms in Hershey, Pa! peace. ( -;
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    ONE MORE SHOW IN PA
    Actually I wondered about that JFK listing (on 7-10-87 and 7-7-89). But never having ventured east, I just quoted from the Base.I did screw up the count however. It was 67 shows in Phillidelphia and the total count from PENNSYLVANIA was 101 shows (again Deadbase XI) . The other shows were in; Bethlehem 1 Burgettstown 2 Easton 1 Harrisburg 2 Lancaster 1 Hershey 1 Lewisburg 1 Meadville 1 there was also a show in good old SCRANTON back in the 70's at the CYC. i think it was 71, but not sure it's in the archives though. nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile
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    I don't know...
    I don't know nuthing about those dragons, but when I looked them up on the internet they all seemed to have their tail in their mouth, so I was wondering about the piece you gave jerry. I dig that "is it the end or beginning" refernece, apt, certainly apt. this (the posting of oroboroses? oroboroi?) got started when I felt a certain deja vu kick ifrom some scenes from the wild wild west of the old daze. well, who knows? is it the end or the beginning? ( -; is it silence on the edge of music? I would not want anyone to think I am feckless in this ever brief moment of clarity, for I am one who is most certainly full of "feck" peace.
  • Oroboros
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    Yes, it did. The dragon I gave Jerry did have the tail in it's mouth, much like your second pictured Oroboros, as opposed to the first. The one I made was a wingless dragon (but a quadroped as opposed to biped). However, it did find a way to fly that New Year's evening of '77 in Winterland. Or was that me?
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    that's really cool...
    Very nicely done!
  • Oroboros
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    Is it the end or beginning?
    Nicely done, CC Joe, and with a crown, to boot!
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Read your post about prejudice & ignorance... I live in a far northern part of the Appalachian Mounatin chain and the people around this and the surrounding counties are hill people -- yankee dairy farmers and for the most part. They are salt-of the-earth kind of people. the largest part of them. But there is not a high level of education (or a high percentage of people with all their teeth) and they have been living in these mountains, hills, hollows and vallies for a lot of generations. There are maybe 20 people of color in this 3 county area. There are a lot of bumper stickers around the county seats that read "Hate Is Not A Family Value". Which is all just to say, don't feel you're the only one facing such a situation. With some places it's an epidemic, not an isolated attitude. Wish you the best raising your little one.
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I recently went to three of the shows on the Dead Tour 09 and was disappointed with the quality of the shows. I noticed that a lot of Deadheads were voicing mild approval but whenever I saw a review in the local papers I knew I wasn't far off the track. I don't consider myself a "snobby old deadhead", but I am in that rarified group of people who have listened to 10,000 plus hours of Grateful Dead, JGB, Bob & Phil and know the Dead Base quite well. My interesting question is: If you caught a show on this tour, would you agree that now is the time for Bob, Phil, Mickey & Billy to bury The Dead with a modicum of dignity? They are doing well with their own bands and seem to play better while doing their own thing. As the Dead they seem really constrained. I think if the Boys don't bury The Dead (and seal the crypt) the situation is rife for zombies to come marching in, if they aren't already... ~Nostalgia for the past is bullshit.~ Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche
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each subsequent show i've heard has been a little bit better...i dunno...i'll wait and see (and that may just be subconscious greed and wishful thinking on my part)....i do know i need a show bad...it'll help me heal, mentally and physically.
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...wait till the tour is over to start your whining. You say you're not a "snobby old deadhead" but the very next line you wrote says quite the opposite.
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i am kinda on the fence. i saw three shows this time around and they do sound a little off at times but they still ripped it up at other times. look at some of the 90,s shows were just cause jerry was there dosn't mean they rocked the house. i think some of this is due to age how many people at there age are as sharp as they were 20, 30 or 40 years before. Also i don't particualy like warren some times its like he stops playing to me it seems that he dosn't know what to do if he can't rip out a solo. i think that kind off throughs them off.What i liked about jerry if he needed to think about whats next he would play rythym and just hang and let some one else step up. But i can't seem to give up that vibe they produce at the shows (especialy when i bring the kids) come on we all feel it thats why we are here. So as long as they do shows i will go but if they decide to stop i won't fault them.
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lighten up, i don't believe the man is whining.....just voicing an opinion...i DO think we should wait until the tour ends however, also...why deny them the right to play together?....and if people are enjoying it, all the better....i've only seen 60 or so shows and have several hundred hours on tape....hope i'm not considered a "snobby old deadhead".....'course i know people that have seen them 300+....anyway....give 'em time.........say....is that my lighter?
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I was still a little ticked that he ignored me awhile back on a different forum, but that was cause I dissed Timothy Leary and I guess he took it personally. If anyone expects this to be like the good ol days they might not be too happy. But after 14 years I'm ready to move on and go see the Dead ,Jerry or not, cause I love good music. And when this tour's done they should have enough in the bank to keep going with their own bands for as long as they want to. I paid $64 with fees for my Gorge ticket and am getting 3 bands so the way I see it I'm only paying $20 to see the Dead. I won't pay $100 to see anybody. Anyways, their are still people out here waiting to see this tour, if it doesn't get cancelled cause of the flu epidemic, and we want to be uplifted and the complainers can go piss-off until the tour's over. Peace!
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... that when I'm not loving the Lord with all my heart and get distracted by my own problems I can be just as big a jerk as anybody!
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i didnt look at it that way.......HELL yeah........peace be with you
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great question the battle between good and "evil". Its a long story been here since the begining.The Dead and those of the Cosmic Tribe (its up to you to be of the Tribe) are the current manifestation of the ancient Cosmic Tribe. Our job is to shed light and not to master.A viel of darkness is covering the planet its reach is nearly complete.Its up to you whether light or darkness prevails.Universal Love and Compassion is the only path to being one with the universe.A grateful Dead concert is a tribal gathering,depending on the amount of love and compassion you have reflects what you experience. There is not much time left before darkness prevails on the planet,so we all have to get up to speed real quick Here is a quick path to enlightment. Put yourself in a peaceful enviornment, project your mind off the planet, lay out your life experiences linerally, in a straight line, start at the begining and observe how diferent experiences led you to who you are ,how you think, what you feel.Its like oh! this is when I first felt hurt because of jonn'y calling me fat and ugly,this is when I felt compassion when I saw this old man on the street in the cold with no shoes. You get the idea. Unfortunetly many of you were tramatized by the darkness so that your experiences were shortciruited, this is where you find the shortcircuit and realize it was people's darkness that was passed to you, and how it affected you from that point on.So thats what we do for each other we lift the shit that was laid on us so that we can see .The rest is up to you using your own creative design to perfection What I did was to delete all the files from my cosmic computer , in other words I got rid of hatred, prejudice, envy,ego etc etc. Once you get to this point give me a jingle and we can decide where we go from here.
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just believe, in "skullfuck" let the alligator eat you yellow flowers and dragons keep the peace, share always and water will save you. blessed are those that are truly DEAD. the future as the past is filled with smile. dance till you collapse with enrgy and love that will be the highest high there is. GOOD OLE GRATEFUL DEAD.
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the magic comes when it wants, no one can call it. the dead give it their bet shot, the way its been from the begining. sat worc. bla bla sun worc. into the cosmos hartford started out of the solar system and was progressing to beyond the universe,until five pigs beat me with their clubs, did the show make it out of the universe?????????????? p.s. if the deadheads at the show are NOT KIND if you know what I mean ,then that affects how the band plays. those of you that expect perfection every show really don't have a clue as to whats going on.
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to those worried about your words being front page nytimes.Do you really think that anybody not of the cosmic Tribe can understand what your saying.To most people its jiberish, and those not of the Tribe that understand, understand that they are in the presence of something far beyond their dark desires, and tremble at the thought.
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one does not have to tremble to be aware. consciousness is it's own dimension, even if you're there, the light switch is often hard to find and stumbling in the dark can be dangerous.....you must have faith in the presence......we all know it is there, but some deny it's existence or refuse to accept it.
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Can anyone explain the exact role of Rhino Records in the release of Grateful Dead Music at the moment. The Rhino logo appears on the Egypt Set, 'To Terrapin', '3 From the Vault' and 'Cow Palace', but is nowhere to be found on the Road Trips or Box Set releases, which are credited to 'Grateful Dead Productions Inc'. So is the general frustration with Rhino misplaced...who is actually in charge of organising the releases and the marketing of all the music?
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... is listed in Wikipedia as being responsible for music releases and merchandising. They are in a contract for ten years that started in 2006. This information is contained in the entry for Grateful Dead. I have no idea if this is accurate. There is some other interesting stuff there too.
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Can you answer ?Yes I can, but what would be the answer to the answer man ?
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the Band stopped playing their traditional Jan 31 New Years Eve show in 1992 was this in tribute to Bill Graham? Mountain high to river wide so many roads to ride.
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if I recall correctly it had something to do with the fact that the NYE scene turned into a zoo, the demand for tix was insane, etc. and it probably wasn't very fun for the band. But Bill's loss probably had something to do with it too.
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Is it (as Neil Young claims) better to burn out than to fade away?
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Those who've burned didn't live to tell... not sure you'd wanna try and find out.
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Some burning,some fading....I would say install a good dimmer,know when to use it and enjoy the ride....
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though a good coating of rust can protect the insides...as i happen to live in the northwest and have discovered that up here we don't tan, but we rust quite well........
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My myRock and roll can never die There's more to the picture Than meets the eye. Hey hey, my my. :)
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Of all the partisan bickering in the Congress, the Repub. Lesbian S&M theme parties in Vegas really took my quarterly "Rome is Burning"award. It was nice to see the controlled way in which Obama worked over the Repubs. on this one. (Health care in general with the buzz saw to come on financial regulation.) Way to go Obama and Ted riding co-pilot!
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Anybelly guide me to state law rumoured to be a search-n- seizure law based on Dead stickers in Iowa? Thx
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...against Obamao for perpetuating, and sending tens of thousands of troops to, his "good war" in Afghanistan, and lying about shutting down camp Gitmo??
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against the continuation of those policy implementations he inherited from Bush/Cheny? There's plenty of them. All you have to do is broaden your information gathering beyond what Fox tells you to think and they're easy to find. At least he did actually shut down the stupidity going on in Iraq. I will grant you he's fallen way short of the mark in several areas, but we've had worse.
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Seems like he's just gotten bored or something, and come back with the aim to provoke, like in the "good" old days! Isn't worth it Bro. Pid!