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I just love the threads when a new release comes out. Now people are complaining about the packaging and a glitch in Promised Land. Wow! Ravages of time people, ravages of time. We have a 35 year old recording here. The packaging is fine by the way. Thanks for using digipacks again.

OMG the plastic %^&*$ing #$%ks! Go back to the cardboard from Road Trips. . .. No Wait that cardbaord @#$%ing @#$ks too! Friggin plastic and cds don't belong together! F'in digipacks man. . .. Cheap green firendly #$%t! Gonna fall apart fast. . .. How some titanium enclosures . . .. Get crackin' on tht ASAP! Did you here that glitch from the recording from The Carter Administration period I wish I had a time machine so I could go back and fire that tech-dude he friggin ruined my day here! Blair, David, Jeffrey you guys need to get it together man -- you're on notice! And Mary tell F'in Phil and Bob to run out and get me a MeatBall Sub and a can of Fresca now! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just kidding friends. The above is a parody but as Orwell might say "not a gross one." True there is some minor truth in the aforementioned 'grievances,' but, really, look at the minimal cost for the product you are getting. A lot of money is not being charged. The crew at Dead.net are almost doing pro bono work for us Hungry Heads here. I salute your work! There are few bands who are as fan friendly as the GD. Period. This is yet another great release and I look very forward to the next one. I will check out the Buffalo and Boston shows as someone suggested from this glorious May 77 to compare and contrast. Now someone redeem their shoddy work and get me that MeatBall Sub and Fresca now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!! Quit your bitchin' . . .. Peace.

My copy arrived in UK and when delivered to my home I was presented with a bill for £11 (approx. $20). Will not be released from Post Office without payment any one else in UK had the same problem.

Very funny Deadegad and right on the mark. Looks to be a lot of Monday Morning Quarterbacking going on here. Funny thing is most Monday Morning Quaterbacks can't throw a football. Enjoy this great sounding May '77 show.

Well said Weve, this show sounds excellent.

To be fair, the Promised Land comments are not complaints like the others mentioned. It began as an observation (an accurate one) of an irregularity in the sound and a question about its etiology (origin). The following comments correctly identified the anomaly as being on the original master tape. This is an example of an astute observation, probably missed by many others, and subsequent follow up in a friendly manner by other heads.

OK already. I heard you the 15th time! lol

I think it's time to give him a time out . . . he was warned already.

somebody scratched jameskelly and now he's skipping. Ahh, for the glory days of vinyl and the joys of the ol' broken record...

Kevin - any goods arriving by post from outside EU are charged with VAT at 20% if the value exceeds GBP15.Royal Mail charges £8.00 for collecting the VAT - at least Dick Turpin wore a mask! So with the GBP 3 odd VAT = GBP 11.00. Value declared on mine was $28 - which is high really as I bought an early bird subscription. Maybe the powers that be could declare a lower value of $20 that would stop our Royal Mail milking us!

Here in Holland, the customs charge VAT (19%) and import duty (seemingly around 15%) on all packages from outside Europe. These charges are normally levied on packages with a value greater than about 50 Euros, but lately that value seems to have been lowered. The charge here is based on the value of the contents AND the postage (!). At some point, the costs incurred exceed the charge levied, making it a pointless exercise, but the customs are definitely sharper these days. Fortunately the post office here does not impose an additional charge for collecting the customs fee (though that may change). I didn't have to pay anything when my "Dave's picks" arrived. I am not surprised that the same sort of charges exist in the UK, but I am surprised that they have set the limit as low as GBP 15. That really is a bummer, especially if you took a subscription and will have to pay the charge 4 times this year (5 times if a box set materialises later in the year). Do not expect Rhino (or any other corporate entity for that matter) to agree to giving a lower-than-actual price on the customs declaration - I asked Customer Service if that was a possibility many years ago and was given a big no-no as an answer. In these times of austerity (for us 99%) and greed (from customs / the government) this sort of thing is only to be expected. This just makes the whole thing that much more expensive for us Europeans - bearing in mind that we already have to pay a fairly high additional International shipping charge. Being a Euro-Dead-Head is not a cheap hobby! For me, the fall in grace (and exchange rate) of the Euro also adds to the cost. I guess we just have to tough it out.

Thanks for comments. I also paid for early bird and on packaging it states the value as being $28. When I paid the $ to £ rate was 1.53 which works out to be £18.63. For that I get charges £11 customs surely cannot be correct. Will try to appeal to customs but not holding my breath. If I have to pay this for each set becomes a trifle expensive, still at least the music is good. Also still better value for money than the Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here Immersion set, had already got most of the extras on boots, plus some they haven't issued.

Sorry James, I see a big can of whoopass comin' yer way. Vaya con Dios!

Captain Kevin, the customs don't know when you paid or the exchange rate at that time. They work on the rate at the time the get their greasy paws on your package. However, today the exchange rate is 1.577 dollars = 1 pound which means that the value (28 dollars / 1.577 = 17.75 pounds) is now even lower than the 18.63 pounds that you calculated on the basis of 1.53 dollars = 1 pound. I suspect that this will only increase your sense of outrage and frustration.

C+ not a bad performance per se, but there is nothing special or redeeming about this show. for potheads & those with extremely limited taste in music.

Does the term "dickhead" have the same meaning in the US as it does down here in Australia?

because you drive on the wrong side of the road it does't translate. what a poser you must be. you probably never even saw the grateful dead preform before. i listen to too much music to love every mundane release. i only bought the subscription, so i can sell the bonus disc for $100 on ebay.... again. ciao.

Thanks for buying a subscription foxy- You help support our band, and in doing so encourage more Releases in the future. To this I say, keep 'em coming!!!

"Thanks for all the kind words about Dave's Picks Volume 1 - we're thrilled that you're thrilled! We've had feedback that the stock is a bit light, and we agree, so we'll bump it up for subsequent volumes. As always, your input is valued and much appreciated. Keep the comments coming - we're listening." Way to go, thanks Dave !

Hey Dave thanks for deciding to make the stock more sturdy on the cd packaging but please do not be intimidated by every gripe into doing things for the complainers or you will end up fetching them MeatBall Subs and cans of Fresca too! LOL!!!! You guys are doing the lord's work with these finely polished releases from the vault. Bless You All.

The mailman rang on the door while I was listening to Dark Star från 2-13-70. I'm going off to work now but will listen later today. Mine is numbered 3639/12000. No extra charges was put on me. Micke Östlund, Växjö, Sweden

I know with the release of the Europe 72 boxset that the year 1972 has kinda dominmated the DEAD release realm for the last year or so. THANK GOD! But I ask as a fan and a customer, please do not let the Europe 72 boxset in any way hinder you from choosing '72 releases for future DAVE'S PICKS releases. Particularly, 7/18/1972-Roosevelt Stadium, Jersey City, NJ. I would give my right arm(theoretically) for an official release of that show(in my humble opinion, the greatest non-Europe show of '72, Veneta included). Don't know what the vault situation is for 7/18/72 but I pray it's there and is someday released so that everyone can hear that epic performance. Once again, great pick for Vol. 1! It must have been difficult to choose the Mosque over 5/9/77-Buffalo for example, but I think you made the right decision. You chose a lesser known show with tremendous power, from a righteous(in more ways than one) venue, and subsequently have brought 5/25/77 the attention it has so long deserved! Thanks so much for the gift!!!

I apologize if my message posted several time. My laptop is having a bad day. Anyway, pick up DAVE'S PICKS Vol. 1 immediately!!!! It's truly excellent.

I was stunned to read a post in which Dave's Picks Vol. 1 was givin a rating of C+ and described as "nothing special" and "for potheads & those with extremely limited taste in music". WOW! I hope that post was a joke because I thought Dave NAILED it!!! Right outta the park...5/25/77 at the Mosque in Richmond, VA is a tremendous show. The sheer ambience of the venue alone, makes this show one of the finest sounding and atmospheric recordings of the 77 tour. I love when the sound of a venue is captured on tape in perfect harmony with the music. Listening to this show reminded me of the sound of Alpine Valley on Dick's Picks 32(8/7/82) or Dick's Picks 14 at Boston Music Hall(11/30/73 & 12/2/73). Or several of the Red Rocks recordings. But a great venue does not make a great performance! Luckily, the DEAD rolled into the Mosque in late-May '77 playing at a level only matched by the greatest runs of '70, '72-74. This show has everything(except Dark Star, but for my money the absolutely killer The Other One>Wharf Rat>Other One coming HOT on the heels of 60 minutes of masterful '77 Dead in the form of Scarlet>Fire, Estimated>He's Gone>killer drums, MORE than makes up for the Star's lack of appearance)! From the beautiful vocals of Peggy-O, Cassidy, Loser, Brown Eyed-Women, to the ferocious guitar playing of Garcia(AND Weir) during the second set, to the absolute balls out drumming of the two-headed Kruetzmann/Hart monster, and spot on work from both Godchauxs'. 5/25/77 is a truly amazing performance that until now has often been lost amongst the many magical nights of Spring '77. I'm VERY glad Dave chose this show! I PRAY that someday Buffalo-5/9/77 is officially released(and also just in case you're reading this Dave) as well as 7/18/72 Roosevelt Stadium, Jersey City, NJ. But for now, CONGRATULATIONS TO DAVE and ALL who put their love and time into what one simple Deadhead considers a release of the highest quality, recorded at a historic venue which helped to shape the sound of this show so that it sounds like no other(if you REALLY listen), from a tour that NEVER can be over-stated or over-documented! Can't wait for Dave's next pick...I'm sure it'll be a winner.

Finally ordered this, but dread missing out on the bonus for '74 subscription and shoulda maybe done it! who knows? I'll be ordering as we go but will definitly have to get the '74 show right at the release date as I lick my lips! What's next Dave? 85 Mmmm what do you think? GRATTEFUL DEADDDD!!!!!!! we love you!!!!!!!!!!!!, I'm shouting by the way :)

if he only sounded like that in the nineties.This 77 sounds great but why no filler?Seems like dave could have put a lot more music on this cd he could have put the rest of that sportitorium show from pembroke pines.Its all good love the new release just add some filler.Now how about the spring tour from 85 or the summer tour 85 merriweather shakedown.Or maybe that end of the summer tour hult center park west boise and redrocks 83 so good.What do you think?

we obviously have different tastes in music. i easily own more than 1000 albums that are far better than 'dave's picks vol. 1'. the reason its for potheads; there is almost no intensity in the performance whatsoever. its the kind of show you'd listen to while picnicking in the park on a summer day. good background music. nothing more.

Finally got mine up in Canada! Can't wait to listen tonight. Love this show!!Thanks David!! And all at Rhino & Dead.net

Steven: have you ever been to a live Grateful Dead show? Just wondering...

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Hey Foxy, if you were in College when Jerry died, how did you make it to 40 shows? I admire your deadication...Unless I'm wrong, the last time they played in Columbus was 1978.

I was stunned to read a post in which Dave's Picks Vol. 1 was givin a rating of C+ and described as "nothing special" and "for potheads & those with extremely limited taste in music". If you've read this forum for a little bit, you might recognize the author as a troll of the first order who only posts to antagonize others and instigate arguments. Really, why would anyone who has 1000 recordings better than this piece of crap (paraphrasing here) spend time posting on this site? He or she is not a fan of the GD, which is fine, but why be here? He or she probably goes to football games and opines to everyone who will listen that all sports are a waste of time. Might be true, but why try to talk serious fans out of their hobby/interest/enthusiasm? Maybe this person would do better on a debate club site, lol.

I"m waiting for Patagoonian to list some artists that can give his claim credibility. Here is an earlier post bragging about his superior musical knowledge and tastes. So far the list is sophomoric. 1000 Cd's is not many. However, 1000 Cd's is pretty pathetic, if these are the artists you think are cutting edge. You've listed "entertainers" not artists. How many will actually stand the test of time? So far this week I've received music from David Murray, the Henry Threadgill Novus and Columbia Recordings Mosaic box-set, Equipoise from Roy Haynes, who I was a student of, Lighthouse (Simcock, Garland and Sirkis) on Bill Brufords recommendation and Nancarrows: Lost Works. However this thread is not the place to discuss these artists. In fact,maybe you should wait awhile to learn about music. By your own admission you have a narrow definition of music and you clearly have no concept of its lineage. You are more closed minded than those who you are clearly accusing of the same. Here is his post including his list. Laughable, it speaks for itself... Read on: if i was in high school when jerry was still alive how young can i be? as for taste in music i own 1624 albums (yes. that is the exact number. i catalog them on another website). spanning 8 decades; almost all are considered highly essential for their genre. everything from woody guthrie's 'dustbowl ballads' (1940) to kanye west's 'my beautiful dark twisted fantasy' (2010). ironically, the only albums i bought that were released in 2011 were grateful dead albums, but in truth it wasn't that great of a year for music. as for music recommendations i'll limit it to a small sample of albums released this millennium. Radiohead - Kid A Arcade Fire - Funeral Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Yr. Skinny Fists.... Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot Interpol - Turn On the Bright Lights Sigur Rós - ( ) Madvillain - Madvillainy Modest Mouse - The Moon & Antarctica Tom Waits - Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers & Bastards The National - Boxer Porcupine Tree - In Absentia J Dilla - Donuts Broken Social Scene - You Forgot It in People Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots Deltron 3030 - Deltron 3030 The Strokes - Is This It Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds - No More Shall We Part The Microphones - The Glow Pt. 2 PJ Harvey - Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea Jay-Z - The Blueprint The White Stripes - White Blood Cells Beck - Sea Change The Shins - Chutes Too Narrow Ghostface Killah - Supreme Clientele Reflection Eternal - Train of Thought Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Janelle Monáe - The ArchAndroid Ryan Adams - Heartbreaker Gillian Welch - Time (The Revelator) Elliott Smith - Figure 8 OutKast - Stankonia Songs: Ohia - The Lioness Cat Power - You Are Free Wow. How Cutting Edge...

the post you are referring to.... how old are you? if i was in high school when jerry was still alive how young can i be? --- i was not in high school when jerry died. had i completed college in 4 years, i would have been a college graduate when jerry passed away.

Well I Bi*c* and moaned to my poor fiance, on other posts etc... how I could not forgive Dead.net for E72 and how I wouldn't get the Dave's Pick Subscription... Well I couldn't resist and had to swallow my pride, let go of the drama and jump on board (every one deserves a second chance and dedicated helpers like Mary and the others I spoke with made it easier to move on- thanks!). Glad I did- this first release is a good one and the next looks to be even better! I have to say my first impression is that the sleeper tune on this one has to be the Mexicali Blues- Its got that '77 funky chug to it. Much like DP 29 versions of Jack a Row and Jack Straw and Bertha. I haven't really had a chance to go over the second set as much so I am sure there will be other surprises. In terms of vibes- I know someone mentioned that it was too mellow for their taste or for "pot heads" - I disagree, yes its got a laid back feel, but I would term it more as being graceful- more '73 than '69, but '77 is its own beast so whatever that means. Lastly, I was thinking about the screams of Donna today... getting ready for the '74 release and I kinda came to a conclusion that helped me understand why the boys may have kept her around and it made me feel better about her sometimes being off pitch or not so perfect in a rock concert setting- Donna was punk! She brought the sex pistol scream to the dead music and in a strange way I appreciate that- anyway maybe that perspective helps who knows hahaha

but they're not nearly as good as most of you think. out of the 1624 albums in my collection i own more grateful dead albums (65) than any other band. although thats mostly due to the sheer number of releases. ---- BANDS/ARTISTS that have released albums better than 'dave's picks vol. 1' grateful dead, frank zappa, bob dylan, neil young, elvis costello, tom waits, the beatles, the rolling stones, david bowie, john coltrane, miles davis, pink floyd, johnny cash, townes van zandt, the velvet underground, the doors, jerry garcia, guided by voices, jimi hendrix, king crimson, the kinks, the who, charles mingus, nick cave & the bad seeds, otis redding, lou reed, bruce springsteen, phish, black sabbath, the byrds, the clash, the fall, led zeppelin, van morrison, rush, talking heads, richard thompson, gene clark, steve earle, husker du, elton john, bob marley, joni mitchell, thelonious monk, porcupine tree, simon & garfunkel, the band, beck, brian eno, emmylou harris, iron & wine, waylon jennings, pavement, R.E.M., roxy music, elliot smith, steely dan, nick drake, radiohead, the smiths, public enemy, beastie boys, CCR, pixies, sonic youth, stevie wonder, jefferson airplane, yes, the police, the national, belle & sebastian, nirvana, U2, the jam, john lennon, george, harrison, can, marvin gaye, scott walker, outkast, guns n' roses, duke ellington, big star, peter gabriel, the allman brothers band, ice cube, NWA, a tribe called quest, prince, the white stripes, frank sinatra, peter tosh, curtis mayfield, cat stevens, ween, t.rex, genesis, burning spear, roger waters, funkadelic, van der graaf generator, john cale, 13th floor elevators, AC/DC, the beach boys, black uhuru, art blakey, buzzcocks, james carr, the chameleons, sonny clark, sam cooke, aretha franklin, serge gainsbourg, gilberto gil, al green, roy harper, vince guaraldi, joy division, love, the modern lovers, os mutantes, lee scratch perry, ramones, marty robbins, todd rundgren, horace silver, phil spector, steel pulse, wipers, wire, the zombies, arcade fire, louis armstrong, badly drawn boy, eric b & rakim, franco battiato, the english beat, the paul collins beat, william bell, chuck berry, black star, broken social scene, james brown, clifford brown, dave brubeck, tim buckley, kate bush, paul butterfield blues band, camel, captain beefheart, the cars, catch 22, johnny clarke, patsy cline, leonard cohen, ornatte coleman, common, comus, the congos, alice cooper, cream, CSN&Y, culture, the damned, fabrizio de andre, deep purple, desmond dekker, de la soul, derek & the dominos, dillard & clark, dinosaur jr., the dirtbombs, dj shadow, eric dolphy, lee dorsey, dr. dre, dr. john, bill evans, fairport convention, flamin' groovies, the flying burrito brother, gram parsons, willie nelson, merle haggard, dwight yoakam, lucinda williiams, jackson c frank, gang of four, gang starr, charley garcia, goodie mob, dexter gordon, the gun club, peter hammill, tim hardin, harmonium, isaac hayes, lee hazlewood, richard hell & the voidoids, andrew hill, robyn hitchcock, buddy holly, john lee hooker, howlin' wolf, bobby hutcherson, ice-t, ijahman, interpol, jj jackson, etta james, jay-z, jeru the damaja, billy joel, janis joplin, albert king, rasaahn roland kirk, fela kuti, yusef lateef, the left banke, jerry lee lewis, little richard, nick lowe, loretta lynn, magic sam, magnolia electric company, stephen malkmus, manassas, massive attack, john mayhall, MC5, minutemen, mission of burma, hank mobley, moby grape, modest mouse, wes montgomery, lee morgan, mos def, motorpsycho, mott the hopple, muddy waters, hugh mundell, my bloody valentine, nas, milton nascimento, fred neil, oliver nelson, neu!, neutral milk hotel, new york dolls, nico, czesław niemen, graham parker, pere ubu, pete rock & cl smooth, the pharcyde, wilson pickett, los planetas, the pogues, iggy pop, pretenders, my pretty things, john prine, public image ltd, radio birdman, red house painters, the replacements, smokey robinson, sonny rollins, max romeo, run DMC, the saints, sam & dave, pharaoh sanders, erik satie, gil scott-heron, sex pistols, the shins, sigur ros, paul simon, siouxsie & the banshees, slint, sly & the family stone, the smashing pumpkins, patti smith, snoop dogg, the soft boys, soft machine, the sonics, son volt, the sound, the specials,, spirit, spoon, the stone roses, the stooges, the stranglers, the supremes, tages, talk talk, television, them, toots & the maytals, robin trower, mccoy tyner, caetano veloso, violent femmes, weezer, junior wells, wilco, wu-tang clan, X, yabby you, yardbirds,..........ect. these are bands/artists that have released albums which are far better than 'dave's picks vol 1'. a list of bands/artists that have released albums slightly better would be twice as long,

So if Foxy saw 40 shows, there must be a love for our band in there somewhere. I say to him- Welcome- he's surrounded by people who share this love. If the intention however is to denegrate, expect to be put on the defensive. I find no reward in insulting the preferences of others. This community is a special sacred place. To what purpose would it serve to stand in the parking lot at a show and insult the music everyone came to hear? This is our parking lot now, and we try to keep the scene clean.

Patagoonian You listed a lot of drivel here. Clearly you are a tourist. Most of what you listed is throw away crap and indie band throw away crap. When it comes to jazz you are a neophyte. I knew and know many of the people you listed and I can assure that 99% of these jazz artists DID NOT release new music this year or this decade. In fact many of the jazz artists that you listed died in the 1980's or EARLIER... I talk to Scott Wenzel, Bob Belden and Michael Cuscana from Blue Note and Chuck Nessa from Nessa Records on a regular basis, so I have a good idea of what is going on in the jazz recording and re-issue industry, I can assure you that what you are hearing are called re-issues. I suggest you invest in a discography before name dropping what you believe is new music. And seriously son, listing Brubeck, Coltrane and Miles is just plain sad. I studied with Philly Joe, from Miles Davis, when I was 14 years old, in Germantown. I also met Hank Mobley around the same time. I was with Joe Morello, from the Dave Brubeck Classic Quartet, over 12 years. I studied with Roy Haynes,Jim Chapin and Freddie Gruber, who Mr. Peart from Rush also studied with. You know nothin'. I cut my teeth playing jamming with Jaco in Norristown. I played with Al Grey and Jack Mc Duff. You don't even get it man. In addition to jazz, as I said earlier,I own more progressive rock, like Rush, Zappa/ Mothers and King Crimson than you even think existed. But enough about me. And frankly with the amount of time you spend listening to the juvenile music you have listed you'll never hear it. And hence the problem. You're running your mouth off towards people you don't even know. You are making immature assumptions of who these people are because they like a release. F'd up, man. Who cares if you don't like it. You stated that you went to college but you can't even give a clear concise criticism. You will never get respect until you give it it. And that is the problem. You are a punk. Here is a partial list of generally pop music. It is what it is. It is not high art. It is entertainment. Enjoy it for what it is. elvis costello, tom waits,townes van zandt, the velvet underground,guided by voices,nick cave & the bad seeds,lou reed, bruce springsteen,the fall,van morrison, richard thompson, gene clark,husker du,brian eno, iron & wine, pavement, R.E.M., roxy music, elliot smith,pixies,the national, belle & sebastian, nirvana, U2, the jam sonic youth,the white stripes,burning spear,john cale, 13th floor elevators, AC/DC, the beach boys,buzzcocks, james carr, the chameleons,gilberto gil,al green,joy division,ramones,phil spector, steel pulse, wipers, wire, the zombies, arcade fire,badly drawn boy, eric b & rakim, franco battiato, the english beat, the paul collins beat, william bell,the cars, catch 22, common, comus, the congos,culture, the damned,desmond dekker, de la soul,dillard & clark, dinosaur jr., the dirtbombs, dj shadow,dr. dre,gang of four, gang starr,ice-t,jay-z, jeru the damaja,the left banke,stephen malkmus, manassas, massive attack, john mayhall, MC5, minutemen, mission of burma,mos def, motorpsycho,neu!, neutral milk hotel, new york dolls, nico,pete rock & cl smooth, the pharcyde,my pretty things, john prine, public image ltd, radio birdman, red house painters, the replacements,run DMC,sex pistols, the shins,the smashing pumpkins,snoop dogg, the soft boys,the sound, the specials,the stooges, the stranglers, the supremes,violent femmes, weezer,wu-tang clan, X, yabby you, Jerry Garcia also cannot release anything new, because he is not here any more. He is deceased. Your logic negates itself. a list of bands/artists that have released albums slightly better would be twice as long. The list above is not indicative of anything except what pop culture feeds mindless consumers that need to be spoon fed simple lyrics and basic chord progressions. Many groups that you listed above are not even capable of meeting that watermark. Most jazz artists agree that you need to have a jazz collection of at least 1000 recordings and then you'll start to understand it. Not my rule, but that is a pretty basic trueth and common saying and I agree with it .When you build a collection of Jazz that reaches 1000 pieces maybe you'll know something about it. Until then you need to shut up. As someone clearly not "in the know" such as yourself, it is disrespectful to talk about jazz like you know anything, because you don't. So shut it. Back up your argument of the Mosque show if you can. We all suspect that you can't..Like I said, sophomoric...

Read you received Volume One earlier today- Interested to read your impressions of this debut, if you'd like to share them.

Zuckfun wrote: "So if Foxy saw 40 shows, there must be a love for our band in there somewhere." ...or he could just be a poseur.

first of all both jerry garcia & the grateful dead have releasED better albums than 'dave's picks vol.1', so what is the flaw in my logic? do you not understand past tense? of course most of the jazz artists i listed are dead. they shot horse, and lived more than half a century ago. second... that list is comprised mostly of bands with multiple albums in my collection. i own a lot of other stuff that is more obscure. the sad truth; most of you don't know crap about music. anyone who can listen to the grateful dead day in & day out has no business criticizing anyone's taste. ....but if you are going to criticize my taste, at least back it up. what do you consider better music? name some albums i need to hear. BTW how is telling me i listen to drivel a proper critique? you're just throwing mud. to think the grateful dead is a better group than say public enemy or the velvet underground is laughable. only here would that opinion be in the majority,

(In reference to PatagonianFox): I find it SO interesting that a supposed Dead fan who's been to shows and met other Dead fans holds such a sterotyped view of fans of the Grateful Dead. NO we don't all sit around listening only to the Dead 24/7 and smokin dope...If ever a band had a claim to having musically intelligent and diverse fans it's the GRATEFUL DEAD!!! Their amazing blend of the vast American musical traditions of country, blues, jazz, bluegrass, rock, pop, folk, etc. is a perfect template for having intelligent fans. And why on earth any intelligent person would EVER take the DEAD and the VELVET UNDERGROUND and try to make a "who's better" argument is being simpleminded. Music offers many different things to many different people. Some bands are filled with musical geniuses but have little cultural impact, while other groups who lack skill but convey emotion often connect with millions of people. In many ways the DEAD and the VELVET UNDERGROUND are birds of a feather, albeit different colors. Both grew out of the post-Beat/folk era, both featured an array of musicians some of whom were highly adept musicians technically and others who may have lacked high level skills but brought the souls of giants. Both groups sung about American life, bad and good, happy and sad, from the gutter and from the stars. And both had an irreversible impact on rock music of the 2nd half of the 20th century(to the point where whole genres can be traced back to them). I also am a music fanatic. My heavy metal collection tops 1000 LPs alone and my punk/harcore/post-punk/new wave collection is of similar girth. I'm obsessed with Krautrock(Amon Duul II, Can, Grobschnitt, Jane, Eloy, Guru Guru, Novalis, etc.) and 70's Italian/French groups like Magma and Procession. Not to mention all the lesser known psych/garage stuff I've collected over the years on top of all the jazz/blues classics which fill my parents entire basement! So please, quit judging us as dimwitted Deadheads who only listen to the Dead just because we happen to think Dave's Picks Vol. 1 is a killer show. Is it the greatest piece of recorded music in the history of man? Probably not. But as a lover of the Grateful Dead it's sheer brilliance(within context) should bring enjoyment to all who listen to it for what it is...the good ole Grateful Dead. I really think you need to light up, I mean lighten up a bit and quit buying into stereotypes of Grateful Dead fans. Sorry you didn't find the pleasure in Dave's Picks Vol. 1 that I and I imagine many others did. But hey, that's what second listens are for...

(In reference to Gretsch): You may be the greatest jazz historian on earth, however when it comes to the history of underground rock you are WAY out of your element. My definition of pop drivel is "music" put together by record label execs and A&R guys and then cynically marketed around a new "star" in the hopes of duping the masses out of millions. However, The Velvet Underground, The Stooges(and Iggy Pop's early solo albums),MC5, New York Dolls, The Damned, Roxy Music, The Replacements, Husker Du, Graham Parker, Buzzcocks, Joy Division, Van Der Graff Generator, 13th Floor Elevators(and Roky's solo work), X(both the American and Australian groups), Radio Birdman, Paul Collins Beat, The Fall, Gang Of Four, Wipers, Nick Cave(Birthday Party and Bad Seeds), John Cale(!!!), and Wire are SO FAR from pop drivel it's laughable! These are some of the most seminal acts in rock history! Bands who rarely received radio play, label support, etc., but yet due to tenacity, talent, DIY ethics, and GREAT MUSIC ended up founding countless genres and subgenres of rock music in the late-60s, 70's, and early 80s. Be it punk, hardcore, post-punk, indie rock, garage rock, power pop, industrial/ambient, heavy metal. loner rock, ska, stoner rock, etc., the artists listed above made critical contributions to both American(and worldwide) music and culture of the second half of the 20th century. The effects of these artist are still being felt to this day, just as the brilliance of Miles, Coltrane, Monk, Herbie Hancock, Chick Corea, The Bird, etc., etc., is still shaping the realms of jazz. But to denigrate all that is not jazz or jazz-based(by describing it as pop drivel) in this case demonstrates your lack of knowledge of the incredible artists listed above and their immeasuable contributions to music.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha, what a joke, hey foxy, you are obviously one of those jokes that broke down fences and gates and brought in nitrious and helped fuck every thing up, right? You have no idea. I was only baiting you, and you took the bait, hook, line and sinker. Only a fool would list shit like this on this site when it's a Grateful Dead site for fans, which is obviously not you. Go make your money off ebay, you capitalistic pretender.Sorry everyone, I just couldn't resist that and this will be my last reply to this fool. But really, lets just not pay any attention to this hose bag and I'm sure he will go away, Hey Foxy, go to kenye's site, I'm sure it's full of people just like you.

I do agree that those aforementioned artists have influenced generations of musicians. Unfortunately to lump guys like Cobain into the category of one of the greatest guitar players of all time is one of the symptom of this thinking. It is really the blind leading the blind. There is a plethora of rock musicians that will never try to set the bar high and practice ad work on a craft because they have seen others successful at getting by, such as The Ramones, Sex Pistols, Nirvana etc. Rock, and this is just my opinion, has generally been irreverent for a long time, thanks to the Rolling Stone ideology of what they expect out of the cookie cutter variety of music they so elevate. Most of it is geared to teenagers and nostalgic for people that were teenagers in a given era. We can banter this back and for all day Evelyn.. I'm not going to change your mind, and your not going to change mind. I grew up in that era, I've heard it, I had it shoved down my throat and yes, thankfully I found other music. Be sure though that I love rock music as much as anyone else, I as others are being accused of settling for this recent Mosque release. In fact I'm still waiting for the King Crimson DVD-A upgrades from DGM! Do I need them? No! Do I want them ? Yes! They are great, far, reaching records that started out with an idea. An idea that was based on a mission to not sound like other people. And that is the mark of an artist. I will not concede to say that these artists pantagoonian listed are better, because they never reached and played about as well as they ever could. They were followers, sloppy. Just because they gave voice to teen anger and angst doesn't mean they were great. The Rolling Stone magazine set the agenda for that mindset. I am not jazz-centric. I'm a schooled Tabla player. That means I studies classical Indian music. I listen to a lot. That might be a luxury, but that is the business that I'm in. Am I a jazz snob? Maybe I am. I am surely not the greatest jazz historian. I didn't give you any history. I do have big ears and I am always hungry to hear anyone furthering the art of music. That said, i don't "expect" anyone else to step out of their comfort zone. If you don't like jazz, I'm more than cool with that. I just don't pretend that something is good when it clearly is not. Their is so much great music out. Classical, Jazz, Indian,Sufi, folk, rock, fusion etc.Im not willing to settle. That said. Are you listening to this Mosque release?

those who are off the bus may well look at the bus and ask 'who are those stupid people on that messed up bus?' Those who are on the bus...well they are just on the bus, smiling out the windows :-)

I agree with the idea that youre either on or off the bus. I'm not getting the whole point of Grateful Dead bashing on a Dead-centric site. Well I do really get why they are doing it; for the purpose of flaming. This is some prime 77 Dead with nice first set and a killer 2nd set with a terrific Other One, Wharf Rat sandwhich. I think that the powers at be did a fantastic job with this release. The next set will be even better, some vintage 74. After that, 85? 90? 68? Whatever, it's all Dead.

A lot of rock music is irreverent. A lot of it is probably also irrelevant, to some. Such is the nature of art. It speaks to some people, not all people. I suspect there are some who would look at the Mona Lisa and think to themselves, "Da da da da dum, so what? Could we please move on to the Jackson Pollacks now?" There is nothing wrong with people espousing their opinions about something as ephemeral as aesthetics. What is silly is arguing about whether or not those opinions are "right" or "wrong." Everybody's got one. OBTW, props for the nod to Bill Bruford, absolutely my favorite drummer and a huge influence on my playing.

"I'm not getting the whole point of Grateful Dead bashing on a Dead-centric site." It's called trolling.