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Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

Subject: setting me on fire

left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of 5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire," "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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July 17, 2024 - 1:19am

#71

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DaP #51 info on your DaP subscription order page

I won't spoil it. If you want to know, go to your DaP 2024 order confirmation email from last year and click on the order number. That will take you to the CHECK ORDER page. Enter the order number, your email, and zip code and you'll see a receipt with all the details.
July 16, 2024 - 8:11pm

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Amazon Prime Dayz....

....ooooh. A Klipsch R-120SW subwoofer for $240?
Sign me up.
July 16, 2024 - 6:01pm

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A punk band I forgot to list

China White

Their album Danger Zone ROCKS

X is categorized as punk, but I just call 'em rock n roll
July 16, 2024 - 5:04pm

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My punk dayz....

....finally getting around to organizing my record collection. Quite the task. I have over 300 records going back to my teenage days and just starting getting back into them as you know.
Holy flashback Batman. Stumbled across some T.S.O.L., Cramps, Misfits, Corrosion Of Conformity, Agent Orange and Subhumans records I bought decades ago. They still hold up.
According to discogs, some of the Misfits records I own are worth a pretty penny. Not that I would ever sell them.
July 16, 2024 - 3:00pm

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Nyuk Nyuk Yuk

The Stooges (the ones with Iggy, not Larry and Curly) loomed over punk in the US in a huge way, too. It was almost impossible to go to a punk gig in 1977 and not hear at least one Stooges cover. (My own proto punk band played I'm Loose and No Fun. Very poorly!) The Stooges and the Velvet Underground and the NY Dolls were really the foundation, along with the '60s garage bands.

And btw, there was a fair amount of give and take in those early days between punk and various brands of psychedelia, including the Dead. Punks were supposed to hate hippies, but in reality we were often on the same drugs and disliked a lot of the same things. Greg Ginn of Black Flag was a big deadhead, for instance. Also, my LSD connection was a hippie neighbor who one day shaved his long hair and 'went punk.' after a gig by X. Lee Renaldo of Sonic Youth was a deadhead, lots of others.
July 16, 2024 - 2:47pm

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70's punk- The Stooges

Iggy and The Stooges were massively influential in England during the second half of the 70's. In some ways, as Chuck Berry was to the 60's, they were to the 70's. Starting with Nick Kent's article in the NME in 1972 about their legendary show at Kings Cross, in London, to Raw Power the following year and the discovery of their first two albums. Their tracks, No Fun and 1970 were covered The Sex Pistols and The Damned, among others, but nobody came close really.
When Iggy finally toured England, in 1977, it was one of the most eagerly anticipated rock events I have ever witnessed. Unfortunately - despite having David Bowie on keyboards - his moment had clearly passed. Still good - but not quite what he had been.

The New York Dolls were important too. appearing on the rock programme "The Old Grey Whistle Test" circa 1973. After a blistering and shambolic "Jet Boy" and "Looking For A Kiss" they were put down by a visibly bemused, and slightly miffed Bob Harris as "mock rock". The 1970's were taking shape!
July 16, 2024 - 2:38pm

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Gummies...

It just (duh) dawned on me where all the extra glue bits came from on the HCS box CDs
July 16, 2024 - 2:30pm

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Gary Farseer

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Hey Dave!!!

Listened to Dave's#40 - Deer Creek this past weekend. Even though I had listened to it several times, it really floored me. Nice Pick Indeed! Some great playing and the recording Dan captured is top notch.

I was much more in the active listener mode instead groove pilot.
July 16, 2024 - 2:00pm

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Crow

Great write-up. Especially for someone like me that was on a different musical direction. Always admired the Ramones for what they did and their history. What playing the Roundhouse in London in 1976? And more importantly, from my perspective, they never strayed to far from their charter.

Did I see the NYDolls in their, cant remember.

So for me, who has never been in a mosh pit, it was very enlightening!!!

Now how much will I remember? That has become the question.
July 16, 2024 - 1:26pm

#80

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What's It To Ya, Punk?

Seventies punk is kind of an obsession for me, partly because it was maybe the only key moment in rock history that I had a mosh pit view of. I was around for a lot of the earliest gigs by LA area bands like X, Black Flag, Social D, and I saw the West Coast club debuts of everybody from Patti to Television, the Damned, Clash etc. Fun times!

So I would say that when people first started using the term "punk" to describe what was happening, it was because they were referring to the way a bunch of scruffy upstart bands who were rebelling against the corporate rock status quo of the mid-'70s and trying to overthrow the established order, even though they didn't seem to have the wherewithal (ie, money, connections, looks etc) to do it. I think "punk" being used in the way it was used in gangster noir movies: the "punk" is the small time hood with big ambitions who is almost certainly doomed to be crushed by the mob, the police, the power structure.

It wasn't really a musical style. Which is why that first wave of "punk" included artists as diverse as Patti, Television, Talking Heads, Deco, Pete Ubu, Suicide, and yes, the Ramones. I think what happened, as Daverock said, is that the Ramones offered a blueprint of what "punk rock" sounded like, and it was one that was easily copied, even by people who'd never picked up a guitar until yesterday. If you liked the Ramones, you could get together a couple friends, learn three chords, and start a band. And dozens and dozens (if not hundreds) did. Suddenly there was lots of bands that sounded like that in every town, and that was taken to be what "punk" was.

About Television specifically: I personally think they took too long to record, and as a result we missed out on hearing the earliest version of the band, when Richard Hell was still a member and when they sounded a lot more raw and basic in a way we associate with punk. If you're curious, look up the Ork Loft recordings, a video made in 1974, and you'll see what I mean. That's what they sounded like when they'd been together for about a year. They did some demos with Eno after Hell left the band in December ''74, which are a lot more polished. And then they didn't record their Elektra album till September 1976. By which time they were one the tightest bands you'll ever hear, and not much like what we think of as "punk."

Anyway. I would recommend hearing EVERYTHING Television ever did. Marquee Moon is a stone classic, the follow up, Adventure, much under-rated, and the live boots and Eno demos are all really good too. Even the reunion stuff is worth hearing.

Sorry for the long post. I warned you I was kind of obsessed with this stuff.

And, hey, Dave, where's that announcement?

John Perry Barlow

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Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

Subject: setting me on fire

left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of 5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire," "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

5/10/87 Set 2

Bucket as set 2 opener is great and then the Scarlet>Fire is worth hearing if you haven't... the Aiko is "way too effing slow". Check it out.

May 10

1972

🍻....

....I do like to post this cheers emoji every now and then. A week or so ago I got hey nowed. Removed it and my post went through.
Testing it again. Well. What do you know. It went through.
It's random shit causing this. There is nothing to decifer.

Wake up to find out

You Hey Now’d your loyal fan base away.

Nice paraphrase ice cream kid

Maybe they're trying to kill the brand

Obscure reference but here goes

jack skellington says

they're trying to hit us

These nimrods are trying to kill the brand

Let's see if this works...courtesy of the Circle Jerks

I've got the world up my ass
And I'm gonna move fast
Be the first
Won't be the last
I've got the world up my ass
Society is burning me up
Take a bite,
Spit it out
Take their rules
Rip 'em up,
Tear them down
Twisted mind,
Withered brain
You know I'm going insane
I just tell them to get back
When they tell me how to act
I've got the world up my ass
You know I've got the world up my ass

It worked!! Go figure!

Music with a pulse

Incredible live 30 minutes of The Jeff Beck Group at the Fillmore West on 7/24/68 included in the "Twilight of the Idols" double cd set of their live recordings 1967-1968.

Circle jerks

Ah yes an old favorite

Another Defective Disc

Finally got around to playing DaP 50 the other day, and what do you know? Disc two doesn't play all the way through Roses. And taking a close look at it it's clearly defective. So here we go again.

in the past, I've always gotten replacement discs in a reasonable amount of time. (A couple weeks.) And I know these things do happen. And it's been a couple years since I've had an issue. But still. I can't remember the last time that I got a new CD that would not play from any other company. I can't understand why this is such a constant problem with the Dead releases.

Anyway.

DaP is a good show, once it gets going. But the boys sure took their sweet time waking up for this particular gig. It's pretty low energy until that Sugaree that everyone is (justifiably) so excited about. I think the Bill the Drummer (belated hbd bro!) is the hero here: he starts pushing some triplets on the toms, and he won't stop till everybody picks up on it, and suddenly the music really starts happening. A good show from there on out but I doubt if I'll return to that first disc anytime soon.

So this is a good show, I'm glad to have it, yada yada. But it's hard for me to get too excited about it. There are at least 5-6 shows from the same damn tour I like better. I guess I'm pretty jaded, no?

Last five!
Flaming Lips: American Head
Billy Strings: Home
GOGD: DaP 50
Zappa: Make a Jazz Noise Here
Sonny Rollins: A Night at the Vanguard

Daves 50th

After listening to this for the first time earlier today, I would agree that the first cd is very unexciting. The three slow songs is just too many at the same funereal pace. I really like the "Peggy O' played on 5/8, but this one here is nothing special.
Things do pick up though during the second set - sparkles like snow flakes on a curates garden, you might say. Although you probably wouldn't. The whole show doesn't sound that essential really - but pretty good once it picks up a gear.

Crow

please send me a PM with the details and I'll ask the Doc to fix this. Sorry for the aggravation.

A second yes for 9 2 85

Its really good

I love that GD85 energy

Marye

Yay

You are still among us

I thought they had removed you

Please tell them the Hey Now stuff is bad for business

50, Sphere

Blocked from posting ad nauseam Hey Now. Not fully caught up yet, first run 50. So far same original impression way back, second night with all its flaws, a little more magic. Speaking of magic, holy smokes, been checking out the outrageous and stunning video from Phish at The Sphere.

Nelson Muntz points finger and says

“Ha, Ha!”

It’s great seeing so many unsold scalper tix for D&C Sphere.

Answer

Better cyber-security. Strengthen the huge holes that are obviously open.

Makes me wonder how good is the front door when I am putting in information.

Thats all i have to say bout that.

4 8 71

:)))

Wiss... I'll see your 5/10…

Wiss... I'll see your 5/10 and raise you a 5/11 lol

Road trip today

9 2 85
4 8 71
Surprise filler from 71 with Keith
Big Black album Atomizer
Ministry a mind is a terrible thing to taste
A few tracks from Dave's 50 disc 2

Road Trip to Primm, NV....

....to see Blues Traveler tonight.
An hour drive. Haven't seen them since the early 2000's. Tix are $40.
Pleasantly surprised to see the line up is still the same.

*Re/ New Years Eve Performances /Wanted

…I would really Love another “New Year’s performance release from the vault for the masses! If there’s one annual event I miss most was the groups New Year’s Eve celebrations they held at the Oakland Coliseum. The last was in 91’ I believe. Something was always special about them in my IMHO. I’ve never seen a larger sea of smiles from all the fans & attendees shine, with the house lights changing colors like great Roman candles in the sky. Phil s playing making the floors vibrate under your feet. Everything felt Special!
One of my favorite & gig is 1987! Believe it or not being from 1987, it’s an excellent show from start to finish! I believe it was also networked on television and radio for the entire country! Any other fans of the New Year Eve performances and would welcome a New release from the vault?….

50

Not spectacular.

I saw Jerry's Middle Finger the other night, those mofos can play. I absolutley loved it.
I do think that name in kinda dumb though...

JMF

Not the most tactful name I agree

Going to see my mom....

....5.12.77 Chicago in the car. She's a thirty minute drive. Just exactly perfect.
Did not see Blues Traveler. Took an extended "nap" after that post and missed it lol.

Road trip

The Strokes is this it
Dave's 50 disc 2
Ministry a mind yada
Big Black atomizer
Dave's 50 disc 3
Selections from 3 24 71
Opening track 11 25 79
David Bowie heroes

5.12.77....

....Bobby told someone to shut up prior to Sunrise.
Yeah. You tell em!

Hey now police

Go die

Just Got Home...

from a two part road trip over the past week...on Monday off to Phoenix to see old friends and Tuesday night hit the Stones at the stadium the Cardinals play...Wednesday was a day of shopping and driving home late... I hit various book stores and music shops I like...one of the stores never fails to delight in their clearance sale section for blues & Jazz at 99 Cent$ each...grabbed about 20 of them...I also bought a copy of RFK Stadium, Washington, D.C. 6/10/73...got some great books too...I spent Thursday sleeping and Friday I headed out to Las Vegas to hang with an old friend and treated him to my extra tix for Saturday's Stones show at Allegiant Stadium...all in all a great time...

Trying to

post positive review of new release

Apparently the word double u eye en en ee r is verboten

Beyond l a m e

8 5 71

Tasty

5/13/73

Ist show in last years big box. The whole might take a while to get off the ground, as you might expect from such a humongous show, but Jerry's guitar is spot on from the first note. Beautiful tone and playing.

#50

I've very much been enjoying our latest offering from DL & CO.

I've always been a big fan of Peggy-O, and this is yet another stellar spring 77 version!!

On the morning of, 8/9/95, after hearing the news, I went and drove to my friends house to share in the grief of the day. As I started driving the tape in my car (10/17/94) was silent as all I could hear was the band tuning up. Once the music started it was Peggy-O. A very stunning moment, to my new stunning reality.

Rock on, gang!!

Winterland!

Argh. You guys, I feel your pain. The extremely short version is that, as previously noted, the tech folks are hard at work on many things, one of which is a newer and better site for us. And as with so many things in life, it takes longer than we'd hoped. Your cries are not falling on deaf ears and we are sorry for the aggravation. Thank you.

RIP David Sanborn

another one

Thank you for communicating Marye

y'all be cool

5/13

1972
The front cover from the E72 CD box is just so tres francais!!

Thanks Mary

Thanks Mary!

And when will they announce that October 74 box?

Still can't get that W word past the Hey Now.

If anyone has the Origins graphic novel...

Please PM me. But only if you have the Oct '68 CD that went along with it.

Cheers, HF

Thanks to marye

We've b****ed about the sheet enough. At least I have.

Apologies for the whining.

Looking forward!

HF, origins

I don’t have it. There was no CD, just an LP if I recall correctly.

Thanks Marye

New and improved coming soon…….

As Homer Simpson previously stated: “They have the internet on computers now”.

5/13/78...

...phila spectrum,
3 friends: Brian ("The Load" RIP), Dan ("The Man" RIP), and Mike ("Chumpweed", btw r u still in DE?) miracled me to my 1st show (I had just returned home on 4/30 after 5 weeks in a Brooklyn hospital) and I was in a fragile all-around state, and needed some LIVE MUSIC to get back to reality.

Thank You Guys, my life has never been the same since hearing the GOGD on that Saturday night.

Mike, if Penndel and Cobalt Ridge sound familiar please PM me. I would love to meet up with you. I believe I saw Aunt Shelly @ the Sunshine Daydream Meet Up @ the Movies several years ago w/ her piercing blue eyes.

...now I'm off to the archive for many more smiles : 1978-05-13 Identifier #116978 : and lovin' life

I went down to the sea
try to see what's going down
maybe read between the lines
had a feeling I was falling, falling, falling
turned around to see
heard a voice calling, calling, calling
you was comin after me
back to me

Peace All!

PS - if you like early '78, Truckin'>Black Peter>Sugar Mags>SSDD 🤯

Mama MaryE....

.....is on the case.

You will never regret being kind.

Vguy

I am going to pass the being kind sentiment on to my students

A convenient side effect of Dead & Co playing 24 shows here....

....are smaller bands working their tours around it.
There are a few playing the Brooklyn Bowl that I'm interested in.
Eggy is one of them. Daniel Donatos Cosmic Country. Circles Around The Sun. Melvin Seals and JGB is playing there again. Pink Talking Fish changed their name to Pink Talking Fish Are Dead for the two shows they are playing.
The downside? Most doors are at 11. And it looks like the old man's getting on.
Got Pearl Jam this saturday evening.
Pretty good seats. Upper bowl center. 3rd row.

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