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    Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

     

    I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

    One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

    In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

    The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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    Love that last sentence Daverock

    Only Gong I know is "YOU"

    great stuff, that

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    Simonrob - I think my post was a bit misleading. It was the music press - specifically the N.M.E. and even more specifically Mick Farren - hastily followed by Nick Kent and Charles Shaar Murray - who wrote off the big rock bands of the early 70's. I personally saw it very differently. I was 14-15 in 1972 when I first started going to gigs, and for me , seeing David Bowie, Black Sabbath and Hawkwind in particular was mind blowing. Life changingly so. But I was coming to it as someone very young who had no idea what had gone on before. The rock critics I mentioned, despite taking it upon themselves to represent the "the kids" were actually from a slightly older generation.

    Manchester was a hot bed for punk - and as I liked The Stooges I gravitated towards it like a moth to a flame. The Electric Circus in some godforsaken area of the city was where it was all kicking off. Very different from seeing prog rock at The Free Trade Hall - home of the Halle Orchestra. I bought quite a few singles as well, charming little ditties with titles like "I'm Sick Of You" and "I'm A Fascist Dictator". A hoot at first - but quite a few punks seemed to adopt that world view for real. They all started looking the same, and were getting more and more antsy as they read in newspapers like The Sun that they were supposed to spit at bands and beat up hippies. As I looked like a member of Gong by 1977, I though it might be best if I moved on.

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    I remember as a 6th grader seeing a write up about it in Time magazine with a photo of Johnny Rotten thinking "wha'..."

    GBH
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    The Exploited

    Not sure if those count as mid 70s
    Prolly not

    Exploited created a ditty that sums up my current world view very nicely

    Early 80s but never outdated

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    Leon Michels is the driving force behind El Michels Affair and a lot of other new soul where he appears as a player or behind the scenes as a producer. Some of the later El Michels Affair albums have a more international music flair. If Leon Michels is involved in something I usually consider it worth at least checking out. If you dig that modern stuff with the authentic retro feel then definitely check out Big Crown Records, Daptone Records and Colemine Records, they all have a bunch of modern soul in their catalogues.

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    Haven't found a lot of new jazz, but a couple of acts that tend towards that direction are Dave Guy, his new album Ruby is some cool stuff, and The Olympians self-titled album is cool as well, sort of jazz with some soul roots. The Olympians album is really great from start to finish.

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    What were you expecting?

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    Wow Daverock, I don't recognize a single thing you said about the 70's. Maybe that is because we were living in completely different parts of the country. I was living on the south coast at the time. In the first half of the decade some so-called progressive bands became very pretentious but the less famous bands were as good as they had been in the late 60's. Most broke up or had become irrelevant by the second half of the 70's. Punk and suchlike was largely invisible in my part of the country. There were a few punks and some skinheads in town but you had to look hard to find them. I recall 1969 - 1974 as being the best period for music and the 1980's as being the worst. I'm surprised at how much our views of that period vary.

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    In Britain it was the first half of the 1970's that were written off - mainly by some really good writers from the N.M.E. The feeling they expressed was that the 1960's featured exciting, ground breaking music, but when the 1970's kicked in technique, rather than inspiration kicked in. Most of the bands and artists from the 60's that were still around were considered past their best, and bands that came to the fore in the 70's were regarded as dull. The Stooges and the MC5 were held up as the way to go. I can remember getting Raw Power when it came out, and that seemed incendiary - very different from other hard rock albums.
    Write ups were printed about the new wave of American bands who played at CBGBs, and along with the two bands mentioned above, they was considered something of a guiding light. The first Patti Smith album, and even more so the first Ramones album that came out in 1976 were really influential in this country, paving the way for the Sex Pistols and punk. As far as the critics were considered, rock had been saved at the last minute, and a lot of people went along with that.
    It all seems very different now, I must say. Punk from England in the mid-late 70's is one form of music I can no longer stand - although as a teenager going to those gigs in 1976-1977 it was 'triffic.

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Dave's Picks Vol. 52: The Downs at Santa Fe, Santa Fe, NM (9/11/83)

 

I remember the venue almost like and old fort with roses everywhere. We came to the site and Wavy Gravy showed us where to camp. Ken Kesey was here as well as a couple other big figures of the counterculture. I think because of Mickey's 40th. During drums a double rainbow appeared. Every time it looked like rain the band would stop and then come back even stronger from their breaks. I saw more outdoor shows in 83 than all the years combined. I have goose bumps even typing this from the memories. - xxuncle johnxx, Dead.net

One of the best memories I have were these 2 shows. During the break there was a lightning storm behind the stage, followed by a rainbow and then an awesome 2nd set. Morning Dew with a Cold Rain, Phil singing encore. Most of my tour buddies went home after Red Rocks and I tortured them with the Santa Fe tapes. Nothing beats the magic of a great GD outdoor show. "It all bleeds into one." - grateful hawaiian, Dead.net

In between sets, I remember it rained... and early on in the second set, there was an amazing rainbow directly over the stage behind the band. I don't believe they saw it, but I'm sure they heard about it. "Let It Grow" was awesome! - Johnny_A, Dead.net

The pot at the end of this rainbow is mighty fine, indeed. Our final Dave's Picks release for 2024 features the complete unreleased show from The Downs at Santa Fe, Sante Fe, NM, 9/11/83 (fun fact, it was Mickey's 40th birthday) with just a squidge of 9/10/83 to round things out. A true trader's treat, this one is solid all around from the lively first set featuring soon-to-be minted 80s classics like "Hell In A Bucket" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" to the return of "Help>Slip>Franklin's," the incredible 2nd set surprise of "Let It Grow," and adventurous takes on "He's Gone,""Wang Dang Doodle," and "Morning Dew." It's all well played, my friend, well played.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 52: SANTA FE, NM 9/11/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering.

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Ok, you made me pull out my Zep and I too have the 1/22/73 show (from somewhere), very nice recording.

Here's one for Zep-heads.

Years ago, I worked with a guy who stated he thought the GREATEST version of Stairway to Heaven was off the studio album, that Page never hit it that well again.

Opinions?

Yes it's not a dead thing :-)

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Posts with political sniping and similar antics will be unpublished. As will any other attempts to sow disharmony. 

This is David Lemieux's thread. Dave is Canadian, so US partisanship of whatever type is out of place here and cordially invited to do its thing, civilly, in the current events thread. This thread is about the music, and taking off from there. 

In my experience no two Deadheads and possibly no two humans are in full agreement about everything. This is good. Learning to find areas of common interest and go forward, also good. 

It's safe to say that whatever your view of current events, there's a lot going on out there from the personal to the global, and probably a lot of Are You Kind? tests headed our way.  With plenty of opportunities to look out for each other, much as we have these many decades now in some cases.

Keep it kind here. Thank you.

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What you say makes sense - the trouble is that I am dependent on an impractical way of doing things. And that's not just in the way I get to hear music. They are quite inexpensive now, these dodgy live albums. And you do get the buzz of a new cd or record arriving at your house.

Dennis - I would say the official version of Stairway To Heaven is the best version I have heard too. It's not my favourite track of theirs by a long chalk.

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Thank you, Marye.

This current release is easily one of my all time fav Daves Picks.

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10/24/71 and 10/23/71

kinda hard to do when you are being responsible at work

I think 10/23 has a Dark Star

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'Hero' and 'Cold Little Heart' are two excellent tunes.

Likewise Leon Bridge's 'Texas Sun.' And check out his song 'River' as well.

'Medicine' by Rising Appalachia might also float your boat if you like the above.

Ray LaMontagne's 'New York City's Killing Me' as well.

I think I previously mentioned Satsang, 'I Am.' 'Remember Jah' is another great Satsang song.

And I'll mention Uncle Lucius again, 'Keep The Wolves Away.'

Just a few good ones I've run across in recent years.

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413/2000.

It was in the rain but only the shipping box was wet.
Sounds mighty fine.

Ordered Thursday, received Tuesday.
But they only have to ship 2000 copies.
Rhino has to ship 20,000+ DaPs 4x per year, as well as other releases and merch.

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I am a big fan of Junior Wells and Buddy Guy, individually and together, and have picked up a few live releases from them in the last few years on the Cleopatra Blues label - Junior Wells & Buddy Guy Chicago Hustle '82, Live in Hiroshima 1975 (2CD), Live at Cotati Cabaret 1984 (2CD), and Live at the Newport Folk Festival 1968. Not sure if they are reissues or not, but if you dig Junior Wells and Buddy Guy they are well worth checking out. I think there are a couple others that I haven't picked up yet, but I suspect that I will remedy that soon.

are one of my main go-to's for Blues.

'Drinkin' TNT and Smokin' Dynamite' is one of their most famous live albums. Bill Wyman (Rolling Stones) and Pinetop Perkins join the lineup.

What a great album!

Streaming 'Live In Hiroshima' right now. Thanks for the heads-up!

Edit: Wow, great release. And very under the radar. I just gave it only the 16th thumbs up on YouTube music. Looks like it was only released in Japan back in 1975, 'Live Recording at Yuhbin-Chokin Halland' and re-released under this title, 'Live In Hiroshima' just in 2023. Gotta love the Japanese audiences. Always so enthusiastic, with Jazz too. Thanks again, Charlie.

Edit 2: I don't think I ever heard him use the whammy bar on 'Stone Crazy' like that before. Maybe I wasn't paying attention, but it seems different than all the other versions I've heard.

Edit 3: Wow, very cool. 'Fever' teases the Jazz standard, 'Work Song!' Still part of the same track, though.

Fever > Work Song. Did you catch that! The Japanese audience sure did, and cheered accordingly. They know their Jazz tunes. Love it.

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"Jerry Garcia’s trusted bluegrass partner, David Grisman, does not make many public appearances these days. Before Friday night’s arrival in Seattle, the artist hadn’t played in front of a live audience in nearly a year. Yet, the Dawg has been making a habit of annual sit-ins with his son, Sam Grisman, and the bassist’s self-titled project, which pays homage to his father and Garcia’s interconnected and independent songbooks."

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Just got email from Dead Bulletin.

Cover for 53 looks nice.

Farther down they had a "fast" stream of the Dave's covers. A little too fast. But I at least forgot some of the artwork that has gone by,,, some really nice covers over the years.

PS - Love the kneecaps on the skeletons!

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1978
Cover art is pretty cool.

The first time I came across him was in a documentary shown on British T.V. in the mid 80' s called "Chicago Blues". I think it was recorded in 1972, and it features some wild guitar playing by Buddy Guy on "We're Ready" and " First Time I Met The Blues". A few other tracks by Buddy - including Junior Wells, then some Muddy Water backed by these two. It came out as a double album as well. if that's available now in any format, I highly recommend it. Plus J.B.Hutto and Koko Taylor. But the jewels in the crown are scene stealing performances by an unknown ( to me, any way) painter and decorator called Johnny Lewis. "When I'm gone, gone gone...."

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So is the 54 announcement coming later? Likely in the email about the subscription period ending rather than this one announcing the end of the early bird period. 1976 is OK by me.
Cheers

If they stick to what they have done in the past, the announcement will come in December.

I am still going with Maples Pavilion. That was also my pick for #53, so that shows you what I know.

Could be something from the 69-70 era if you read between the tea leaves from Dave.

We will see. What else will they do to celebrate the big 60 Year Anniversary?

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Hot and Cool is a stunning album, definitely my favourite of his. I think it's a compilation of 3 earlier records. Cracking rendition of ' Fever' . Think I'll play it now.

I saw Buddy Guy and Junior Wells at a club in Chicago in 1983 on my first trip to the USA. It was the day Muddy Waters died if my memory serves me well or certainly within a day or two. There was hardly anyone there. They did at lot of funk. I took a piss next to Junior Wells, I didn't say hello, I'm a bit reticent about talking to strange men in toilets 😀. I've met bigger stars but never one with their cock out before.

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Thanks for the tip DaveRock, it looks like amazon has the DVD of the 1972 documentary Chicago Blues that you reference, but I can't find a CD version. Something to keep an eye out for I guess. Like to see the shout out for Koko Taylor, I discovered her through some compilations from Alligator Records, good samplers, and picked up a couple of her albums, kinda dig her stuff.

Also, yes, yes, yes to Drinkin' TNT and Smokin' Dynamite by Buddy and Junior, you are correct HCS, that album smokes. And can't mention Drinkin' TNT and smokin' dynamite without mentioning the great Muddy Waters track I'm Ready from the album of the same name. "I got an axe handle pistol on a graveyard frame, that shoot tombstone bullets wearin' balls and chain, I'm drinkin' TNT and smokin' dynamite, I hope some screwball start a fight." Also really dig the version of Mannish Boy by Muddy on Hard Again, the sounds of Johnny Winter cheering him on really add to the vibe on that one. Good stuff.

Nick, just curious what 3 Buddy Guy albums that Hot and Cold set includes - I ask because I have a 3 album Buddy Guy set titled The Complete Vanguard Recordings that includes the albums A Man and His Blues, This Is Buddy Guy (with Fever) and Hold That Plane. Pretty cool release, just idle curiosity if it is the same as the Hot and Cold release (which I can't find) by a different title.

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9/19/70 partial
9/20/70

That Powder Keg needs to be uncorked. Period.

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....the bear in the boat looks like a pig. Just sayin'.

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It looks like an early Disney drawing, like a cross between Mickey and a Dancing Bear.

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Ha, ha, charade you are.

There’s been some bad renditions of the bears over the years.

I prefer the originals.

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It's in the November bulletin email.
I kinda like it...

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I never look at the home email....long story....

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....strapping in.
And 53 is from the week before? Nice.
Also, dipped into the James Mazza pool and thought I recognized his art. Some really cool stuff. I esp liked the 311 print.
Editorial - The Wheel going back into Playin' is the thing dreams are made of. 🍻

Right on WharfRat. The perfect pair to Dave's Picks 32, every bit as good maybe better.

They should pair similar shows like this into mini-boxes and do more than one per year in addition to the 4 Dave's Picks. Charm City and the City of Brotherly Love 1973. A perfect pair.

So say, in 2025 the pilot would be two 3 show mini boxes or three two show mini boxes plus the subscription. Then back to the originally scheduled programming. Just saying... Think outside the box (pun intended)

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I like the idea of having these mini boxes. It would freshen things up a bit - we have had the same format for releases for some time now, and I'm not sure it's a still the best way of releasing shows.

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Funny thing, someone mentioned pigs and bears. At first glance the omnivores seem like maybe they're closely related on the animal kingdom family tree, but DNA says they're more distant than meets the eye. The snouts are about as close as they get, in terms of characteristics.

is how SC jokingly described a bear pictograph in Collins Canyon.

Baltimore '73 is awesome - may it be released.

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I like this idea Jim. More music would always be better.

I think the last time we had two box sets released in a year was back in 2017. They released GSTL which broke the site and the RFK Box in the fall.

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FWIW I would love to see a move toward smaller boxes. If only because I'm running out of space!

I'm probably in the minority here, but I wouldn't mind seeing the packaging dialed back a little bit. Sure, it's fun to unpack a box like FOTDs, with all little boxes and doodads, but I'm really only it in for the music. Once you look at all the "extras" they just become more stuff you have to store someplace. And speaking for myself, there's not much available space left.

Something like the 1976 box a couple years back struck a nice balance: the packaging was enough to make it seem special, but it didn't take up a lot of shelf space. Or look at something like, say, the Fox Box the ABB did: three shows, 8 CDs, and it doesn't take up more shelf space than 2-3 regular CDs.

I suppose this is what you'd call a 'first world problem': we've got so many desirable reissues that some of us are running out of places to keep them! But I'm actually serious. I wouldn't mind seeing smaller, less expensive, less "deluxe" boxes. Cause it's all about the music, main.

Last five:

King Crimson: Starless and Bible Black
Duke Ellington: New Orleans Suite
Mile Davis: Miles in France '64 & '64
Brad Mehldau: Your Mother Should Know
Jefferson Airplane: Loves You

OK now I gotta go to the dentist, so by the time you read this I'm prolly dead.

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…Pulls at “the roost” lol ; )

Hate to be contrarian, but I don’t like the small boxes, seem like kinda a waste.
Since we only get one lousy box a year, I like em as big as possible!
Plus, it’s a good way to get some shows out that might be on the fence otherwise.

Riddle me this Batman: how many more years do you think this will continue especially when people are selective and don’t support it?
Sorry, I get why folks don’t want what they don’t want, and that is fine and dandy! But, this is unfortunately a business, the business of selling things, and if people don’t buy those things, they’ll just stop making/selling them…so how many more years do you really think this will go on?

So X equals what, 5, 10, maybe 15 years…so X times the pace/methodology they’ve been continually using =
Years
5= 5 boxes TOTAL, plus (4 DaP X 5= 20)
10= 10 boxes TOTAL, plus (4 DaP X 10= 40)
15= 15 boxes TOTAL, plus (4 DaP X 15= 60)

I’m gonna guess he’ll keep going to DaP 100 just for shits and giggles and because it’s a nice round number, and we’re into the 13 year I believe, so 12 or so more to get to 100, and figure in Dave’s age etc, and that’s my guess.
Hell do it for 25 years and 100 DaP,… IF…the sales support it…

So that would be mean only 12 or 13 more boxes at current methodology.
So 12 mini boxes is only 24-36 shows, versus at the current average of 5 or 6 shows per box gives us 60-72 shows…a nice 8 show box like this years would be a total of 96 shows! (Don’t worry, there are plenty of good shows left!, just maybe not what YOU like ; )

Now I’m sure some who only want a small, selective set of shows wouldn’t care, but for those who want as much as possible, it’s a waste to have to wait a whole year for just a 2 show box. And!…what if you keep waiting on that one special one YOU must have from i.e., fall 70, or April 69, Rochester 85, Philly 89, or whatever etc, , but increasingly they (hopefully) give more attention to all eras, that means your odds of getting what you want diminishes greatly…
No, I’m greedy, I want it all, so I think boxes should be bigger like some other bands do, not smaller. How big was that Floyd box, how many discs?

Now if they changed their methodology and increased the rate of releases, (I think this is what Jim said?) great! I don’t care how they do it, just so we get the maximum amount of shows fixed up and released! So no, imho if small boxes replace a larger one it’s no bueno! But hey, that’s just me.

If I was in charge, lol,( yee gads run for the hills lol) if I was in charge I’d do
5 DaP a year with more dbl shows
1 or 2 minis a year
1 bigger box a year
and bring back the occasional stand alone show/release ala Nightfall of Diamonds, Rocking the Rhein, Ladies and Gentlemen, Dozen at the Nick etc etc,
And! yes full shows are the gold standard, but I think most of us wouldn’t care if we got some RJ shows (top shelf where mama hides the cookies) that were chopped up, if that’s the only way to get them out…

Just a thought…careful what you wish for!
Ok, now the mob can tell me I’m wrong lol, which is fine, just be nice ; )

EDIT: agree with the crow: dial back the bollocks and just give us more shows!

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Yes, small boxes in addition to the one big box. Of course you are correct, these releases all need to sell out to keep the party moving.

How many Dave's Picks are still for sale from the last two years?
Two box sets still for sale as well.

Hard it know which Dave's will sell out next.

I would also add a fifth pick in mid to late December. Would be fun.

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I wouldn’t mind seeing a box from Family Dog at the Great Highway. Even if it’s only bits of shows that are releasable.
There’s a couple 30 DoD selections from this year that got me thinking about this.

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....big. Small. I want them all.
FYI. If you have Spotify, bootleg gizzard uploads soundboards from their shows. Check it out!
Listening to the San Diego show from a couple of weeks ago now.

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I liked the idea that Jim posted that we have a couple of small boxes a year, not just one. I would be more likely to buy a mini box than a big one - unless it was something which was really special to me. For me, this 1978 box was way too big, and the quality of the shows doesn't justify the expense.
An FM Fall 1971 box was suggested as a good idea recently, and somebody printed a list of all the shows that had been recorded in this way at that time. For me, it would be way over the top to release all of them in a huge, and hugely expensive box. But a few well selected shows, would make a truly great box

It also has to be said that at 67, it is by no means certain that I will still be alive in 5-10 -15 years time. So any business plan that is looking at the long term isn't really relevant to me. A selfish reaction, perhaps, but I would hope for the cream of the crop being released ASAP - not padded out with average shows so the release plan can stretch on for another 15 years. If they take much longer to get to 9/70, or the Ark shows from 1969, there might be none of us left to buy them !

And agree with all, except the mediocre part (but no problem one man gathers what another man spills and we’ve already been through all that lol) ; )
I’m just afraid if we get too picky we’ll end up with nothing sooner than later…

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Avalon Ballroom, Fillmore East & West, Greek, Warfield, Ventura,Frost, Oakland, Winterland, big or small Ill take them all.

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