Grateful Dead

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With chat rooms and not necessarily at dead.net is that the people who are shady i.e. pose threats are in fact juveniles in the 10-12 year old range. It doesn't mean there isn't a more sinister plot going on too but the majority are kids being stupid. After watching what they write for awhile it is painfully obvious what their age is.. "Here's my half a dollar if you dare .. double twist when you hit the air. Look at Julie down below .. the levee doing the dopaso"

the logging thing is available to one and all. But the fact that people are getting into the chatroom without logging onto Dead.net is a problem.

Thank you Marye. I am sure everyone appreciates deadnet hosting the Chatroom and as Swan has mentioned, it is not an issue of permanent moderation: in general conflicts have been sorted out pretty quick there. But the lack of security makes it far too easy for those few people with bad intentions to exploit and abuse others. In fact have now discovered just how easy it is to ‘break into’ the chatroom from outside. My understanding is that Gagalive is a free internet Chatroom service that has been embedded in deadnet and that it could be hard for Deadnet to impose its own additional security on it. But I am not an expert on these things. It has also dawned on me that as long as you are logged into the CR you can scroll back through (and therefore copy/paste) all the chat from the moment you logged in. So if you stay anonymously logged on for hours or days from the outside (like some people appear to do) you may be able just to copy everything that has gone on. I was going to do an experiment to test this, but eavesdropping even for a few moments makes me feel really bad, so I won’t. If the chat record has a much shorter life (a few minutes) it might make systematic logging much more hassle. Hope this helps CB

for sure i want this chat room to keep going , and want topics to be discussed without " politically correct " restrains about opinions . The real urgency , methinks, is about safety settings in 3 easy steps ; 1) anyone wanting access to chatroom must be fist logged in at dead.net and 2) must first be a registered member with dead.net (with a valid e-mail) , and 3) gagalive/deadnet must install specific settings to not allow access to chatplace by bypassing login and registration at deadnet . These can be practical answers for safety , and to complete this format , a once prior agreement that anyone using chatroom is responsable to never send bugs and viruses at users of dead.net , nonrespect of that clause leading to definite expulsion from dead.net .

I'm reporting this to see if there's anything we can do. I don't want to shut the chat room down, for example, so better to figure out something more reasonable. As many have noted, no, threatening people is not okay, nor is misrepresenting yourself as a Rhino employee (or anyone else) to do so.

that i read these posts. i have had good and bad experiences in our chatroom, recently very good things have come my way FROM the chatroom, tickets and a hotel room to be exact, so i know there are still good, loving kind folks there. we don't always hafta agree on certain subjects or topics, and there are some that i intentionally avoid discussing in there because i know we don't all have the same point of view. the one thing we DO share is love for the music. other than prayer, the music has been the one constant in my life that i can turn to when i just can't take it anymore. please, any of you that are thinking about leaving us, please, please reconsider. if we keep enough kind folk in there, and commit to not dragging others down with our personal problems (and yes, i am one of those that is guilty of doing this, not intentionally but the chat is my refuge) mebbe we can outweigh the people who don't love the site as much as we do......badger, i'm gonna miss your kind thoughts and words, hopefully you will still use the forums? i love all of you more than you know....you are my FAMILY!!!

Using a photo or scripts from the chatroom to harm others is an awful practice/ game and should not be allowed. I was told that recently, things that I had said, in " Play " an 'Imaginative spacey conversation we were having,' was re-posted elsewhere with some important content changed, someone had changed my words, to cause a very hurtful situation ! I know that this has happened to thers as well. I agree it is slander. We love the chatroom and mostly we love sharing The Grateful Deads Music in there... It should not be a tool, used to harm and manipulate others ! play on

Badger , swan , frankly you said it all . lets get rid of gagalive and make it a Dead.net MEBERS ONLY thing . I for one do not want to talk to folks who are mean and or just not like minded as we all are . I would be more then happy to come back to the chatroom .

I am sorry TL and Mona and Swan and everyone else, but I am not going near that place again until I can be more confident that i) it is reasonably secure ii) people who use it are identifiable and accountable iii) it is not being taken over by hackers iv) our conversations are not being recorded and manipulated and v) my computer is not vulnerable to attack (the consequences would be catastrophic for me) Some or all of the the claims and threats that have been made may very well be utter bullshit. I don’t know enough about computers to know, and I am not sure how these concerns can be addressed by 'toughing it out' from inside the chatroom. Still, there must be other ways to fix this. By hosting the chatroom for the registered members of the site, Deadnet must have some responsibility for its security. Especially since the main protagonist has even claimed that he is an ‘insider’ who works for Rhino!!