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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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    Sorry - I'm not sure what that means!

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    Daverock gets the call out.

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    Bickershaw and repetition

    1stshow -no, I have never heard Hawkwind's set at Bickershaw. Curiously, I have never read anything about it either, not from the band or from people who were there. Simonrob was there - maybe he knows something.
    1972 was the year it all came together for Hawkwind, culminating in the Space Ritual tour in December. In fact - a timely thought - the 11 cd special deluxe edition of Space Ritual is out next Friday. Probably not good value for money unless you are really into it - they basically played the same set on that tour wherever they played - this new set features three of them. I'll be getting it - but the original album may be better value overall.

    Going back to The Dead's repetitive - or otherwise - song lists - they would have played to a different audience every night, for the most part, during E72, so maybe it mattered less than later on if they played the same songs a lot. Maybe that was the case for American gigs at first, too. It wasn't common practice in England in the 1970's to see the same band twice on the run, so I wouldn't think it was in America at first. As teenager, apart from anything else, I wouldn't have been able to afford it.

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    Repetitive, Sort of..

    With the exception of Copenhagen and London, they hit these cities just once and my guess is most locals had not had any real exposure to the touring Grateful Dead. Copenhagen is the real outlier, two hits at the same venue and similar second set setlists.

    I always assumed they wanted to make a presence in Europe and knowing people were not as exposed in the US, wanted to paint a strong picture for each city.

    So 51 years later listening to the whole tour, there is lots of repetition. But if you were there then, it was all brand new. That's how I digested it. They wanted to hit Europe with a cohesive picture of what they were doing then not knowing when or if they would return.

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    RE: repetition

    Yeah they always went heavy on what was new. Guessing partly for their own sanity/interest, and partly for the crowds.
    Not unlike Taylor Swift etc: make an album, go on the road to support it, rinse and repeat…of course like most things, they weren’t that formulaic, thank goodness lol. Plus, they were smart enough to figure out that it’s better to work stuff out on the road BEFORE you go into the studio to record it, especially when you do constantly tweak and re-invent them. So this tour was perhaps a bit of both lol.
    Also, (think we’ve discussed before?) folks didn’t tour so much back then, probably not at all in 1972 Europe?
    So they didn’t have to worry about that like they did later on.
    Sometimes I think they, or someone, just really enjoyed certain songs, so played en more.
    I’d say they played less repetitive in some ways as the years passed and they had more and more songs to choose from.
    Ok, maybe not Bob, he seemed to need to play everything to death lol. Speaking of, why Me&My Uncle every night! I mean they just put it out on the last live album only a year before! With so much new stuff as the Dead, and from WM and AB, AND both Bob and Jers recent solo albums, why Bob, why LOL ; ) Perhaps trying to bring more American “culture”?
    As far as reinterpreting songs, I think they always did that, though some more than others and with various results.
    I guess that’s yet another thing dependent on the listeners taste and chever way yer pleasure tends…
    But I’d bet the biggest factor on this tour was trying to get at least one good useable version of all the new material since they purposely chose this methodology to get the new songs out on a new album. That and mix in some familiar stuff as you never want to do all unknown songs. I could tell ya a story about doing that lol

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    Bickershaw again

    Finishing up as I write.
    Highlights: Dark Star, The Other One, Lovelight (Jerry!).
    The line-up for this festival is astounding. Woodstock level of mud too.
    DR, guessing you've heard Hawkwind's performance. Good?
    Cheers

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    Is that true, though, that there was more repetition of songs during the E72 tour than others in the late 60's and 70's?
    I haven't checked it out, but listening to shows, I always get a sense that they had a core group of songs that they leaned on during specific tours. It was the same listening to the 1973 box that has just come out. There weren't any shows that were wildly different from any other - possibly 6/10/73. That has a different feel than the earlier ones.

    That's not a criticism - the more they played specific songs - especially the ones incorporating jams, the better they got to know them and the more they were able to re-interpret them. Part of the ongoing mystery - especially from late 1971-1974. Maybe.

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    The make up show.
    Yeah 1stshow, there is definitely a looooot of repetition! Lol
    But yeah, all good, perhaps getting a little burnout, though I haven’t had a lot of good, sit down sessions.
    By necessity, some I’ve been just streaming on crappy work device, (or I’d be still doing this months from now and I’m getting itchy for some other Dead ) I’ve tried to hit those shows multiple times.
    5/13 was one, and another first time show.
    I thought it was a mostly well played show, especially considering it was another cold outdoor show.
    Loved JG joking about a movie and playing drive ins lol
    The PITB seemed a little different, and awesome! Oh, loved Pig making Europe sounding police sirens on the organ during the first spacey part of TOO, another beauty. Nice how their starting to work He’s Gone into the flow of the set.
    Don’t have my info here, but believe this might be the first show without a Good Lovin, which no offense, but I am getting burnt on. Have really been enjoying the other stuff, especially Hurts Me Too and Mr Charlie! And I need to learn the rest of the words to ChinaTown Shuffle as I can’t get the chorus outta my head lol.
    In fact slightly light on the grease, perhaps the chilly cold and being on the road, or maybe time limits? This show was a little shorter by E72 standards, more like a “normal” Dead show.
    Wonder if that was due to having to get back on the road, the cold, or…?
    Overall another great show, though if hard pressed I don’t think I’d include in top five or whatnot…
    Kudos to them though in spite of being less than ideal circumstances and this far into the tour etc

    Oh, I think the repetitiveness and lack of certain songs was totally by design.
    Always good to have as many good versions of songs to attempt to choose from. Nothing worse than wanting a certain song badly but only having a so so version…
    They had all those new songs they wanted to get out, or try to, so I can fully understand not doing too many other recently released songs.
    Making the album was a big part of the tour and after hating their studio stuff versus the great live albums, they were trying to make an album, but live in front of grooving people. Same sorta MO they did with In The Dark. Kinda surprises me they didn’t use this approach more often since it obviously worked so well for them.
    And perhaps unknown to some, but even though they played all tracks live, they did go back and clean up and/or sweeten some things in the studio afterwards, so really a sorta highbred album. Same with Skullfuck.
    Ok, on to 5/16/72 and a world radio broadcast!
    Onward!

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    Just started Bickershaw and it occurred to me that 12 shows into the tour there weren't all that many songs in the setlists from either Workingman's or American Beauty. A quick look to verify only found Sugar Mag and Truckin' from Beauty (whoops found a Brokedown too) and five out the eight from Workingman's with two of those played maybe once or twice in the tour. I knew going in to the full EU72 tour I was in for a lot of repetition in the setlists and having glanced at them beforehand saw the order of songs or placements were also similar, i.e. Casey Jones to end many a first set. So maybe knowing they were doing the album they did so many of the same ones to get a better shot at getting one that would be just exactly perfect for the album, more to choose from. Seems a bit opposite to their usual format of no format or you get what feels right that night. These shows are certainly not carbon copies by any means and I'm not complaining at all but just wanted to explore why they all sound a bit the same. Clearly some doing them all in a row impressions happening but not burnout at all. They are all just too good!
    Cheers

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    Errrrrr I mean Hendrixfreak?
    That’s just it, he was out and about in Montana and was supposed to be back end of August…
    Hopefully he’s just busy, wherever, and there’s no fuckery about?

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Submitted by billy the kid on Sat, 03/13/2021 - 10:40

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I would choose 6/2/95 Shoreline, I was there in the 2nd row and I had a blast!

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 03/13/2021 - 11:39

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Thank goodness.

So I turned back the odometer a year and a few days from 11/22/72 and currently on RT Vol.3, No. 2. Austin 11/15/71 Disc 1. Been awhile since I've walked this neighborhood. At first I think Phil's bass is in fact a bit low in mix and distorted for that era but right now in Casey Jones and everyone's happy here.

7/19/74. 3/26/72. How about both?

On the road yesterday and was listening to DaP 8 - 11/30/80 Fox Theatre Atlanta. Wow that is a sweet show and release. Wish they'd revisit the matrix concept for some of that early '80s material.

All 3 shows in Seattle '95 were really good and lots o' fun. Same for the 2 in '94. Out there in the Northwest I feel like we were a bit removed from some of the decline. To this day I have the what ifs over fact they sound checked Tough Mama prior to 5/24 and Whisky in the Jar(!!) prior to that or another show in same run (don't see that one uploaded on relisten.) But yeah they played excellent Want to Tell > Estimated that 1st night (I was on the rail) and D/S>Wheel night 2 was flat out amazeballs.

Onward!

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Went with 4-2, old CD-R and it sounds nice. Love the sound of lightning bolt.
A good Drums/Space for those who enjoy those.
I went to both nights, it was a good time in the Pyramid.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sun, 03/14/2021 - 07:05

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thanks DV - really enjoyed getting reacquainted with this RT. Disc 2 in particular had been lost in the ether. Jam out of Not Fade Away has that raw Caution energy that showed up next year in Europe.

bonus disc from 11/14 Ft.Worth later this morning. that's been like forever.

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Submitted by unkle sam on Sun, 03/14/2021 - 08:13

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You lucky dog, those Memphis Pyramid shows were off the hook. I listen to them from time to time, best of that spring run IMO.

Right on Bluecrow.

I have had to go back and pick up some of the RT Trips that I missed in the past and this one definitely shined for me.

So much great music out there, keep it coming.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sun, 03/14/2021 - 09:13

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BlueCrow 5/26/95 is a really sweet show. Dug that, wouldn't mind giving the rest of that run a listen, but sounds like the Sunday show was the highest.
Now ConeKidd talking 4/2/95.
I'm stuck in the mid 90s :)

Actually was able to check out a majority of 7/19/74. Wow!
Don't think I noticed the patch in Let It Grow @ 10:15-11:17 sounded like it needs a lil pitch correction?
But.. what a show.
Thanks for suggesting it DV.

Gonna try and head over to Texas '71 today and see what I been missing.
And then I believe 3/26/72 was a mention as well.

We'll see where the day takes me. But dug the '74 trip.
Of note: Taper's Compendium lists shows to get from '74 as 2/24, 3/23, 6/16, 6/18, 6/23, 6/26, 6/28, 7/19, 9/10, 9/11, 9/20, 10/16, 10/18, 10/19 and between, Dick's, Dave's, Road Trips & GD Movie Sndtrck each of these shows has seen some type of release with the exception of 9/20.
Might have to dust that one off soon.

Good stuff!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sun, 03/14/2021 - 10:41

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Just some parts of it.

I followed 4-2 with 4-1, which has a Take Me To The River (Pyramid Arena sits on the bank of the Mississippi).
Those were the only shows I saw in spring 95 and they were pretty good.
Give them a play if you have never heard them.

And if you have never heard 3-23-95 give it a play. Has Ole Brucy sitting in and is mighty fine.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Sun, 03/14/2021 - 15:14

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I just finished listening to the complete 1972 Academy of Music seven shows. (Was at 3) . Had never even heard most of the tapes. I own the Dicks Picks 30 CD plus the Dave’s Picks 14. Do not have the Rockin the Rhein bonus disk with Dark Star. It was quite a journey of seven shows seven days in a row. 3/22/72 has Caution and 3/23/72 has a 23 minute Dark Star.
Also listened to 50th Anniversary of 3/14/71 today. Short but sweet. Organ strong in the mix. Also hollow sound of the Camp Randall Field House. Different sound from Capitol Theater to Fillmore West to Wisconsin, same five musicians. Also progression with new songs and five piece.
So far have listened to all the 1971 GD available on relisten on the 50ths . Real phun.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 03/14/2021 - 16:26

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Haven't listened to this in at least a couple of years. #830, one of the first with a lower number, not that it matters.
Thanks for checking it out all.

I love the picture of the boys and the Wall on the back of the liner notes, so cool!
Just can't imagine what it would have been like to see them with the Wall of Sound. And some of you lucky people did and are still here to talk about it.

This show is solid, not the best 74 show released to date, but good. I really like the He's Gone into US Blues, WRS, Spanish Jam into Eyes and a good finish. I can not hear that patch in Let is Grow, GOGD, but my ears sometimes don't pick those up.

Dave's #38, coming up around the corner.

Everybody hang loose.

Pretty cool Strider, March 72, that must have been fun.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Mon, 03/15/2021 - 09:12

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The Other One

Smokes!

Dug it / Dig it

Happy Birthday Phil!

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Submitted by bluecrow on Mon, 03/15/2021 - 14:52

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5 smoking craters :)

that whole 11/14 bonus disc is excellent. weekend listen totally reset my appreciation for RT 3.2.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 05:54

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Two Fer it is Jim.
Download Series 6 and Dick's 13. 68 and 81. Thanks guys and Happy St. Patrick's Day.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 08:40

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Time to get green eh? Cough, cough....

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 10:09

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Alright OB... I might have to get my green on for St. Pat's.

Part 1 of Two-fer done.

Cool stuff!

Think it'd be cool if we got a seaside chat tomorrow?

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 15:47

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Crazy Night!

3/31/86 is groovy.

Dug the Caution Jam on DiP V13, bet that Severson version is fun too!
I should prob check that out.

GOGD - I went with the Severson because it was taped from the penalty box, but went back to sample some of the others and think Wise source is better.

PF - rarely wander into '86 but yeah 3/31 looks fun and if you say so :)

(crowd chanting) - Seaside chat!! Seaside chat!!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 18:16

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Thanks for the Jim Wise recommendation, I'll try and give that a spin.
3/31/86 is a great/fun show, had that tape BITD, that Hand Jive is my favorite and the jam after GDTRFB is epic.
Def worth a visit and good call PF, I enjoyed that!
And I don't know guys, I might like 5/8/81 better.
Slid on that PITB and it rips from there, great Stella Blue too.
Might have to go through that whole show. May '81 & March '86
Good times & good picks today, good day of the green :)

Seaside Chat! Seaside Chat!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 18:31

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3/17/68 delivered. Short but packed with lysergic energy. Got the first set of 5/6 under my belt. Time to turn the lights down and get down to it.

Seriously.. I had forgotten how off the hook 3/17/68 was. We need more 1968.. if Lemieux keeps stonewalling us I am storming the vault. Who's with me?

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 19:06

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Kudos to you Jim for the great pick for today, Dick's Picks #13. And of course your recall of the Irishman at the start of He's Gone. Pretty powerful. They didn't do many dedications throughout their career.
And this release always delivers. And the hidden Scarlet Fire is not too shabby either. Okay, as an American Irishman, better crack my first beer and I loved the Irish jokes on the other thread.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 03/17/2021 - 20:00

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....give me a trebuchet and a lighter and let me do what I do.
I didn't listen to the GD today.
edit.....but I still have time.

Now we're talking. To ensure the right message on cable news, we will need a few thousand volunteers too.. equipped with pitchforks, torches and "Free The Reels" t-shirts and baseball caps.

Who thinks we'll get a Seaside Chat today?!?!

If not today, than maybe next week.

5/6/81 is far out.
It's eluded me on many listens.
Don't get me wrong, love May '81.
And I always liked the jam, but was scratching my head a bit on why this got the nod for release.
I'd listen and shrug, and go and read the Taper's Compendium and reviews and everybody loves it, so I'd think that it was just me being a weirdo.

However, when I went back and listened to the Jim Wise audience recording yesterday, I was totally getting it.
Now, it coulda been the headspace of later in the day vs first thing in the day.
But, this is kind of a first for me, which is why I'm writing about it, cause you know, you listen to a band for 35 years and you still have firsts... that's exciting!

I've read many reviews of people saying they dug the audience recording more because something was missing for them from the SBD.
Being a SBD snob, I kinda dismissed this as nonsense.
But this show might just change my mind.
That all being said, listening to the SBD with a new appreciation and still love that jam after He's Gone.
Good pick!

PS - If you missed 3/31/86 yesterday... Do it!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 11:33

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Hey, have you ever listened to the official release?

I don't think we will hear anything on the box for a while. Maybe not until May. Hope I am wrong.

Looking back a couple of years for 2019, the Giants Stadium Box was announced on August 1, 2019 and the PNW Box was slated to be announced on August 1, 2018, but it somehow leaked before the announcement.

Do you think we will get a Meet Up At The Movies this year?

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 12:02

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DeadVikes - Mos Def!
That's kinda what I was talking about, I'd listen to the official release and be like.. ok.
But I think I'm feeling the magic even more after visiting that Jim Wise audience.

Just rambling, but I liked this show before, but I think I like it more now.

And in regards to the Seaside Chat, DL posted a picture of an Eagle that he spotted the other day while he was "recording a seaside chat" so I'm thinking we might hear something soon... guess we'll see.

I'm anxious for more GD release news.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 12:10

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I saw Weir dedicate He's Gone to Len Bias at the Greek in 1986 and I saw Kreutzman dedicate it to Paul Butterfield at Laguna Seca n 1987. Kreutzman had been playing some gigs with Butterfield.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 12:42

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Interesting. Could be the Seaside Chat for #38.

But, hey, bring on the Box. I am ready for sure.

I might have to check out the audience version of 5/6/81, if you think it sounds even better.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 13:03

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Yo DVikes, so not sure it's better... (still a SBD snob)
But definitely give the Jim Wise recording of that show a preview.
I didn't listen to the whole thing, but it just has a different life to it.
I've heard people mention that about Audience recordings before, and this is one of those shows that it's really cool to hear the "live" aspects of.
Gives it new life ;)
Plus Jim got a sweet pull that night.
Nassau must've been a hot time that year fo sure!

And Yeah, peeps were telling me it's too early for a Dave's Picks Announcement... so maybe we'll get some Box news :)

Strider - I need to dust off that 3/18/71 at some point

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Submitted by proudfoot on Thu, 03/18/2021 - 16:04

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give up the box
oh, we need the box
we gotta have that box

my money is WAITING, ptb

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 09:51

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Whooo - I love that Tivoli show! Good choice!

I think I might check out 3/19/86 for a bit too. The SQ of the copies I've found are not great (the AUDs are ok, the SBD of Set 1 sounds really muffled to these ears...). However, strong 2nd set, and the first Visions of Johanna (a very sweet one too...)

Also, let's not forget about Winterland 77! An embarrassment of riches!

Have a good one, friends!

Peace

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 10:07

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Playing ketchup...
3/18/71 as we speak,
then circle back for a better taste of 5/6/81 disc 3, then, at some point I’ll hit 4/14/72.
That 81 has really grown on me over the years. Hope real gone puts that out again as I only have a copy and
A) really dig this show, and B) I’m down to missing hard copies of around 8 DiPs, so hope they keep rereleasing em so I can Phil that hole...forgot about the hot S/F! Where’s that from again?
Could use a big 72 DS, but I MUST get outside today!
I’ve been starting to walk outside when I can (the treadmills not the same...) and it’s probably hitting 60 up here and I’ve been slacking, so.....so the 72 might have to be “on deck” until appropriate time is available.
Yeeshk, also have a whole list of groovy 90s ideas from y’all, oh, and that 3/31/86 too, Doooaahh!
If I’m up for it, maybe I’ll see if there’s more spring 86 shows on YouTube as I enjoyed 3/19 last Friday night.
I’ve also got a few shows I marked that I thought looked like possible off the grid shows for a day when we don’t have anything lined up...

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 10:09

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Len Bias.. a fine Terrapin, and a tragedy.

Gotta admit the incident gave me a different outlook on that drug. Weird memories, that hit close to home.

I'm in. What's not to like about this show. 4/17 is awesome too.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 10:13

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Just watched that 3/19/86 on YouTube last week, the video is decent considering, but the Audio was pretty good (at least using Auro 3D?)

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 10:16

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Lotsa Caution this week.
Diggin' it.

4/14/72 you say? Ok.

Another good spring '86 is Set 2 from 3/28/86 for those '86ers out there.

Good times and great oldies!

Happy Friday Freaks :)

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 15:53

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TGIF

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 20:23

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A favorite Pig tune. Under the right conditions it simply blows me away, and how about the Phil factor!.. I haven't gotten there yet for 4.14.... tomorrow.

The Caution from 3/17/68 was spectacular. (well, the China Cat>Eleven>Caution to be exact). Shit that hole mini show left a smoking crater.

When I first listened to the E72 box it was the Dark Star Caution sequences that had my tongue unrolling out of my mouth onto the gravel below my feet. Wowwow stuff.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Fri, 03/19/2021 - 22:19

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back ca. '82 got a very hissy nth generation board of Rotterdam from Dark Star through Uncle Johns. The oddest tape, the VU meter was maxed out on one channel, the needle barely moved on the other, yet through the hiss it was still "balanced." Originally it was tough to get past the oddities of the tape to the music itself. One long hot summer night about 2 am I threw it in a half-assed cassette player, put on a cheap pair of headphones, and turned out the lights. hiss? what hiss? total time machine. came out on the other side just completely and utterly gobsmacked. among other "things" that blew my mind was that Caution and Phil with the pile driver bass. OMFG. totally rewrote what little I thought I "knew" about E72. at the time maybe only other circulating Europe show I had was the Radio Luxemburg broadcast.

side note - Phil quotes Bird Song in the drifting aftermath of the Dark Star meltdown. Bird Song was MIA Fall 71 through Europe.

edit - some neurons appear to have been crossed regarding 3/18 and I can't sort it out without a deep dive in my vault which isn't happening anytime soon.

Onward (into the ether)!