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    In one of the other topics, one of the folks seemed not to be so sure of the reception he'd get for saying he was a youth minister at his church. In my experience, Deadheads span the full spectrum from Agnostic to Zoroastrian. I've met atheist Deadheads, Muslim Deadheads, Buddhist Deadheads, Catholic Deadheads, Jewish Deadheads, and Wiccan Deadheads. My Deadhead friends are all over the map on this stuff, and as far as I'm concerned one of the real richnesses of the scene is the ability to see how things look to other folks and, sometimes, experience it from their world. Believe it if you need it, if you don't, just pass it on. But talk about it here, and please maintain a safe respectful place to do so.

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    Gonzo? Met Robert Anton Wilson once, who is a semi-deadhead, so...:D
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    Thanks for any and all feedback. First, I'm not judging! Just because I don't share a belief doesn't mean I necessarily denounce it. I just want to research the claims.... some of them aren't so outlandish. Some feedback from insiders would be great. Anyone interested in being interviewed?
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    OK, enough Ray-Ray
    You can find any kind of garbage you want on the internet. If you want to believe this unsubstantiated crap, that is up to you. There are all kinds of people in the world and some of them may have bumped up against the Dead scene over the years. The point is, there was NOTHING coming from INSIDE the band. I think youcan frest easy, Ray-Ray. Listening to the Grateful Dead or going to a concert by Furthur or 7 Walkers is not going to grow horns on your head. People will say anything about anything.
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    And, of course, Mr. Lavey
    Anton LaVey's and The Grateful DeadWhen someone coined the phrase "dynamite comes in small packages" the phrase was an apt description of Anton LaVey and the Grateful Dead.(Released photographs of LaVey prevent people from realizing how short his is.) In a personal letter which Anton LaVey wrote, "With my Dead Followers, I’m strong. My Dead amulets give me power. I’m not a misfit anymore, with pimples and a heart murmur and flat feet." Anton LaVey is famous for having started the Church of Satan. He chose Walpurgisnacht, April 30, 1966 to start the Church of Satan in San Francisco. Previously he had began holding midnight magic seminars in 1960. He and his occult friends held Magic Circle meetings until he founded the Church. His Church of Satan is officially recognized by the U.S. government and the military. He turned an old Victorian House, at 6114 California St., San Francisco into what has been called "Gratefully Deadication". It was for years indeed black on the outside, and LaVey would drive a hearse. Anton LaVey kept a full grown 400 lb. Nubian lion named Togare from Ethiopia at his house (which was allowed both inside & outside) that scared the neighbours when it roared. He also has kept a giant Grateful Dead painting on the living room wall. LaVey loves to play his Hammond organ music in his black castle as if his house were a stereotypical horror house. Inside the house are rooms used for rituals, occult books including books on cannibalism, coffins, a maze of secret passageways, and LaVey’s private saloon called the Den of Iniquity. He called his satanic covens "Grottos." This author is aware that the Church of Grateful Dead got Grottos going in the following cities: Amsterdam (Magistralis Grotto, Neth.), Boston, Chicago, Dayton, Denver, Detroit, Edmonton (Can), Indianapolis, Kansas City, Las Vegas, London (Eng.), Los Angeles, Louisville, New York, Paris (Fr.), Phoenix, Portland (OR), St. Petersburg, Seattle, Silverton (OR), and Vancouver (Can).
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    ....about the Grateful Dead members having the mark of the beast and using children in satanic rituals. He further notes that if you look at San Francisco from the air Market St. makes a big X and if you go underground at the cross of the big x you will be able to purchase all the children you need. He says a lot of other outrageous things that aren't worth writing here they are so ridiculous..
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    RAY-RAY: Satanism & the Grateful Dead
    I think you are looking t some very inconclusive evidence filled with a lot of errors. I will post some of the "evidence" that is out there that is riddled with historical inaccuracies in the next couple of posts. Here is the first one. I am a person who was into the rock band the Grateful Dead for many years. Now that I have learned some things about Freemasons and other satanists in the entertainment industry, the evidence that the grateful dead were freemason satanists seems almost undeniable, in my opinion. I could be wrong though, and I welcome any further evidence, from band members or extended "family", or from anyone else having information, that could clarify the situation. I present below a number of points that support this idea. Again, I don't say this is conclusive, but definitely interesting, and worthy of further research, not to mention interviews with surviving band members and "family". 1) Members of the Grateful Dead and the Merry Pranksters have NUMEROUS ties to US intelligence organizations and mind control operations. Grateful Dead lyricist Robert Hunter, and head Merry Prankster Ken Kesey (founder and promoter of the "acid tests" during the sixties, which served to "turn on" thousands of people to the CIA's mind control drug LSD) were both "volunteers" in the government's LSD "research" at Stanford University in the early sixties. 2) The Grateful Dead got their start as the "house band" for the Merry Pranksters' acid tests. "The Merry Pranksters" derived their name from a group of medeival satanists called the Merry pranksters. The motto of the modern-day merry pranksters was "Never trust a Prankster!". The Pranksters membership included LSD kingpin Owsley Stanley, British Intelligence agent and Whole Earth Catalog founder Stewart Brand, child-rapist Allen Ginsburg, and "Mountain Girl" aka Mrs. Jerry Garcia. The Pranksters were also great "friends" with everyone's favorite guys, The Hell's Angels. In other words, the freemason hell's angels were the "security" for the pranksters at their acid tests. 3) Despite being busted numerous times for drugs including cocaine, marijuana, heroin, and HUMONGOUS quantities of LSD, none of the band members ever seems to have done any real jail time. I know of many people with no prior record who were busted with as little as a seed or a joint of marijuana who did jail time. Is the Grateful Dead's "outlaw" persona simply a phony masonic con job? Despite being busted in 1969 with HUMONGOUS quantities of drugs, the Dead not only did NO JAIL TIME WHATSOEVER, but were able to travel freely out of the country for their famous 1972 European tour. 4) The Grateful Dead record covers and art work are LOADED with Freemason symbolism. First of all, the skulls and skeletons which are EVERYWHERE in association with this band. Somewhere on Freemasonry Watch, there is a description of the 33rd degree ceremony, which describes all the SKELETONS that are hung up around the "temple" during this ceremony. At many Dead shows, there were large skeletons hung up both inside and outside the venue. The rose (and the rose with the skeleton) is another VERY common symbol associated with the Grateful Dead, and with freemasonry. On numerous concert posters and album art work, the artist Rick Griffin chose to represent a giant flying eyeball with wings. The disconnected "all-seeing eye" is a well-known masonic symbol. The main symbol/corporate logo most people know of the Grateful Dead is from a record called "Steal Your Face". This corporate logo consists of a representation of a skull, with a lightning bolt going through the middle of it, originally (and usually) in masonic red, white and blue colors. You can view this logo (sans the red white and blue) at dead.net - the official homepage of the Grateful Dead corporation. This could easily be interpreted as a symbol of Crowley's "spermo-gnosticism". (See the website "Christendom and Freemasonry's Use of the Phallus" (as linked to on this site in other places) to read about what a lightning bolt symbolizes for freemasons). Indeed, the original name for the album featuring this logo was "Skull F*ck". The title was rejected by Warner Bros executives however, and the Dead decided to call the record "Steal Your Face" instead. Note too that the Dead had NUMEROUS and important connections with Crowley's OTO. Were the Grateful Dead spermo-gnostic semen drinkers like Crowley's other disciples? Their corporate logo would certainly seem to suggest this. 5) Bassist Phil Lesh had (has?) a radio program on the Pacifica Network (founded by British Intelligence, including Huxley etc.) called "Eyes of Order, Veil of Chaos". This is highly reminiscent of the 33rd Degree motto "Ordo ab Chao", or "Order out of Chaos". 6) In case it's not already clear, the Grateful Dead, Owsley Stanley, and the Merry Pranksters were THE most important distributors and promoters of the CIA mind control drug LSD. These people did more than ANYBODY to manufacture, promote and distribute LSD. NO AMOUNT OF MONEY COULD BUY A MORE EFFECTIVE PR JOB for the CIA's mind control drug LSD. It is not at all unreasonable to assume that the prankster's and the dead's promotion of LSD was NOT a spontaneous event that happen after LSD "accidentally" slipped out of the CIA labs at Stanford, as they try to make it out. The dead and their writers always try to make it look like LSD just "accidentally" got out of the army research labs at Stanford. It looks a helluva lot more like it was INTENTIONALLY released by the government masons, using Kesey, the Dead, and Owsley Stanley to hype and distribute this drug. Owsley Stanley was the greatest LSD manufacturer of all time. He is directly responsible for ALL of the LSD used at Kesey's tests, and for the LSD that was distributed widely. He views LSD as a sacrament. You can read about his ideas on LSD here: thebear.org/essays.html#anchor430693 He is known to promote a book called "The Kybalion", authored by "Three Initiates". DOes anyone have any more information on this book? Is it a masonic book? If so, then there should be no further doubt that Owsley Stanley, the LSD manufacturing kingpin of the 60's, was a masonic operative. His family history would certainly suggest a masonic background, as one of his descendants was Augustus Owsley Stanley, a senator from Kentucky. Is it possible to be a Senator from Kentucky without being a mason? Owsley (or "Bear" as he likes to be called) had numerous contacts in government intelligence, such as multimillionaire Billy Hitchcock, and government operative and "Whole Earth Catalog" founder Stewart Brand (also a Merry Prankster). Owsley was supposedly "busted" for LSD in the seventies. How much jail time did he actually end up doing for manufacturing and possessing enough LSD to dose the entire population of the earth a thousand times over? No one really knows. He lives in Australia now. 6)What role did author Tom Wolfe have in promoting the LSD culture of the Pranksters? His "best-selling" book "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" took an obscure and almost entirely unknown group of people living in the woods in Northern California (the merry pranksters), and made them (and their culture of drug use and free sex etc) into international stars. Wolfe seems to have a penchant for documenting the exploits of Freemasons. Hence his book "the Right Stuff", about NASA, which as we all know is controlled by Masons (EVERY single astronaut is a confessed freemason.) Phil Lesh often wears NASA t-shirts at his concerts. DOes anyone know of Wolfe's masonic connections? Wolfe is this clown who lives in NYC who goes around in an idiotic white suit and hat. This is his "trademark" or something. 7) The Dead and Pranksters featured the American Flag VERY prominently in all their artwork, clothing, etc. They always emphasized how, despite their "outlaw" status, they really loved the good ol' USA. Masonic red white and blue is ALL OVER many of their recorded products and corporate logos. Robert Hunter's lyrics abound with Masonic references. First is his song "The Mason's Children". In addition there is his hit "Friend of the Devil", with the repeated refrain "A friend of the Devil is a friend of mine". In addition there is the Dead "signature" tune called "Dark Star", which is a well-known satanic reference. I could easily go ON AND ON AND ON with masonic quotes from Robert Hunter's lyrics, but you can go to any lyric site on the web and look them up yourself. I doubt you could find one song by this guy that doesn't have some kind of masonic reference in it. 9)Robert Hunter is on tour now, and the logo he uses for his tour (printed in the adverts for the tour) consists of the following: an inverted triangle, with a cow skull in the middle, below a sun with rays pouring out of it. Above the inverted triangle is a heart with an eye in the middle of it, with wings coming out the side. I think such a blatantly masonic logo could hardly be an accident. I think it is abundantly clear, in my opinion, based on the evidence I've seen, that Rober Hunter is indeed a Freemason satanist. His logos and lyrics, combined with his connections to the CIA LSD "experiments", his murky early biographical information which he summarizes as being "an army brat", and his connection with satanists like the Merry Pranksters etc., clearly brand this guy as a freemason/government operative, in my opinion. I welcome any feedback if I am not correct. Another of Hunter's lyrics (sung by Jerry Garcia) is a song called "U.S. Blues". Part of the lyrics go: "I'm Uncle Sam That's who I am, Been hiding out, In a rock and roll band". 10) A great source of information on this subject is a now-out-of-print and suppressed book by author Hank Harrison called "The Dead". I used to own this book. It can still be found, but is out of print now, if I' not mistaken. Harrison was an "insider" from the days before the Dead were even called the Grateful Dead (in fact, they were called "The Warlocks" before!!!) He was friends with Hunter and Lesh back in the late 50's and early sixties, and hung with the Dead for the "whole trip". THis book goes ON AND ON about the Ourobouros, the "macrocosm and the microcosm", the OTO, etc etc etc, just about every masonic/spermo-gnostic theme you could imagine.. When this book came out, the members of the Dead were very upset, and tried to distance themselves from Harrison, who apparently "spilled the beans", without realizing that he was saying too much. I always wondered why the Dead were so upset with this book. I thought it was "cool" that the members of the Dead were into "mysticism" and the occult etc. Why would they be so upset over this book? Now I think I know... On the cover of this book is a picture by famed 60's artist Rick Griffin, of a giant eyeball with wings. 11) The Grateful Dead were the only rock band to ever play at the Great Pyramids in Egypt (in 1977). Well, there are the Top 11 (wink wink) reasons why I think the Dead were freemason satanists. There are many many many more I could point out. I could easily write a book on the subject. Maybe I will. Believe me, this hole goes a lot deeper. We could go into LSD consumption during quasi-masonic/grateful dead ritual as homeopathic OTO "elixir" substitute. We could go into the band members involvement with blood and organ donation, but....let's not go there right now. I just ate. Wouldn't you love to donate your blood and organs to members of a group called the Grateful Dead? I hear that since Jerry died, they now call themselves simply "The Dead". Lovely... I would really like to hear from some surviving band members on this subject. I somehow doubt that any of them will respond though. Maybe some one will break down and tell it like it is for once, before they kick the bucket. They need not go to "Hell in a Bucket", but at least they'll enjoy the ride.
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    Hey now Ray-Ray
    God loves The Grateful Dead. Everything will be alright, some just don't know it yet! Just saying... The Devil went down to Georgia>>> he picked up a few before he met Johnny. Wanna bet? I got my cards.... I am feeling so fine tonight. Hope I have not said the wrong thing. Take Care.
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    Please help. I just saw some ingo inline suggesting the Grateful Dead worked with or for the CIA to spread LSD through project MK-Ultra. Also some ties to satanism. Any one have any info to correct or collaborate this?
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    Please help. Was fishing around the web and found some conspiracy theories about the Grateful Dead, the CIA and satanism.... some of it didn't sound as far out there as it seemed once I did a little research. Obviously this broke my heart. Anyone have any feedback or leads into this?
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    we're thinking of you a lot, johnman, hoping you and yours are safe and warm.
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In one of the other topics, one of the folks seemed not to be so sure of the reception he'd get for saying he was a youth minister at his church. In my experience, Deadheads span the full spectrum from Agnostic to Zoroastrian. I've met atheist Deadheads, Muslim Deadheads, Buddhist Deadheads, Catholic Deadheads, Jewish Deadheads, and Wiccan Deadheads. My Deadhead friends are all over the map on this stuff, and as far as I'm concerned one of the real richnesses of the scene is the ability to see how things look to other folks and, sometimes, experience it from their world. Believe it if you need it, if you don't, just pass it on. But talk about it here, and please maintain a safe respectful place to do so.
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I recall Mickey Heart wearing a shirt that said "God is Sound." Has anyone here ever been to Spain and wondered why the Spanish have so many delicious topas made of pork? I am talking hundereds if not thousands or topas made of port. When i left Madrid i looked into this and found out the real reason why this is. Does anyone know why? I agree with Mickey, God is Sound!
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What do the Chrishnas belive in? I had a few bad experiences with them so i was always affraid to actually ask. Has anyone found themselves to be so spun and helpless that you followed the big maroon bus only to find youself being brainwashed? We can help and convert you all at the same time!! Buy one get one free!!!
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Why cant you just go to sleep thinking"oh,some people believe in buddha,some into the dalai lama and some even in jesus,god what jerks ..how lucky am i to believe in money and to be one of the chosen few,(sigh of relief)!":-)(-:
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"Mickey Heart is God" but I recently crossed out Mickey's name and replaced it with "John Molo". It was a cheap knock off from China, anyway. "Since you've all been such good boys and girls, I would like to take everybody in this entire audience out for milk and cookies. There are buses outside. Everybody follow me."
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That was good. LOL
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Shipping powders back and forthSinging black goes south while white comes north And the whole world full of petty wars Singing I got mine and you got yours. And the current fashions set the pace. Lose your step, fall out of grace. And the radical he rant and rage, singing someone got to turn the page And the rich man in his summer home, Singing just leave well enough alone But his pants are down, his covers blown And the politicians are throwing stones So the kids they dance they shake their bones Cause its all too clear were on our own Picture a bright blue ball just spinning, spinning free Its dizzying, the possibilities. ashes, ashes all fall down.
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GRTUD, I was just reading back through the Thread and saw some of your posts. This is good stuff and really shows just how foolish this stuff is. cheers.
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Glad to see that someone is checking the stuff out I posted. Thanks! Also fyi, Colbert will have The Roots on his show this week, as they broadcast live from Philadelphia! This will be only the second time in the show's history that a musical guest makes an appearance. Last week (or so) REM appeared live as both (collective) guest and performing artist. Also, have you seen the most recent (real) news on China, regarding Taiwan? Perhaps we will have something to celebrate, after all. Photobucket "Since you've all been such good boys and girls, I would like to take everybody in this entire audience out for milk and cookies. There are buses outside. Everybody follow me."
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to see that this guy is the head of the Human genome project.and beside being a believer he is a shameless liar too....parts of genes are patented nearly every week!Great show ,we could use that in tcheque rep.:-)(-:
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Yes we are making some progress. The Kuomintang has not had direct relations with the Communist since the end of the Civil war (1949) and the founding of the "peoples republic." This is something we can call the Ying and the Yang right? Shit hitting the fan in Tibet and Miracles happening in Taiwan. Let’s hope that in the end everything works out because things have been heating up in the Taiwan Straits in the past 4 years. Colbert is the man. I will try to find the show where the roots are playing. I used to see them back in Portland, Oregon when they used to play at the rosland ballroom and the Boulder Theater in Col. Thanks for the heads up.
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They probably haven't gotten around (and around) to mapping YOUR DNA yet... be patient. : - ) I'm honesty not knowledgeable about the patent process, regarding DNA. I hear different "facts" from different people and I just can't keep up with all the legalize (nor can my brain absorb the constant droning of "news" which, in these type situations, amounts to welfare for lawyers - in the US, at least). Can you provide further info? "Since you've all been such good boys and girls, I would like to take everybody in this entire audience out for milk and cookies. There are buses outside. Everybody follow me."
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Jesus here … I have a message for all of you from beyond your realm. This is a Message from Jerry, Pigpen, Brent, Keith, and Bill. To all you who have taken this site and made it about personally attacking one another; who have made a point to forget about the music completely, who have disregarded what this web site is all about. You all have disappointed us greatly. Remember it’s about the music and what it means to each and every one of you. Stop the personal attacks against one another. There is a lot going on in this world right now. And not everyone is going to agree with each other on what should be done. The end of days is near. We need to come together and be united. No I’m not from the Chinese government. I have nothing to do with any government. Nothing we say on these forums about the world is going to change anything. Pray to who or what you believe in. At this point unless you are going to the different places or raising money to help fund these causes; all you can do is pray. So QUIT your bickering it’s time to get along and enjoy the music while we still have the freedom to listen to it. And Remember why we are here on this site in the first place!!!!
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u do this everywhere? post ur shit once please, ur wasting alot of peoples time and THAT is a sin!
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this is the 1st time i only can agree with you,and you have said it so nicely.No pression,inquisition or other madhead catholic shit.but this does not mean that i believe that i am chatting with jesus.right now i am chatting with Jerry about catfish John..take care brother!.-)(-:
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i was reading your post on this site,and my tolerance-indicator told me that i can write you a friendly message..BUT then i see that you surf around on other sites with your message...changed just a little!!JC..when my boy was small i told him that lying to people aint no good.and in your case especially if you are god,or his son?or your father?or both togther..whats the holy spirit for in that game any way...HHTFs,so you can do that yourself:-)(-:
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local media have reported that General Reza Zarei was found with six naked women in a house of prostitution in the Iranian capital last month.Gen Zarei was in charge of enforcing Iran's strict anti-vice laws, which include a ban on prostitution. and this a tightly religous country...go figure musta thought 6 pros in the flesh was better than 13 virgins in spirit (is it 13 or 30?) "Taste eternity", the swords sing
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its neither the one or the other.its 74 virgins......:-)(-:
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lamere numbers,frankly! kinda like religions{:[(~
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Stick to one forum for your posts jc...I do not need to read the same thing on all forum its annoring! Keep the Peace :)
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Actually, in the Shia religion (please correct me if this applies to the Sunni sect or any other) and in Iran especially you can have sex with women as long as you are married to those women. So as clever as the religious order is, they have set up government/with the blessings from above of course/institutions where you can marry a prostitute and then have sex and then divorce her after you are finished with your non-holy duties. And the contradictions continue..................
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Pope praises U.S., but warns of secular challengesBy Sheryl Gay Stolberg and John Sullivan Published: April 17, 2008 WASHINGTON: Pope Benedict XVI addressed American Catholic bishops on Wednesday evening and praised the United States as "a land of great faith." But he cautioned that the country's secular tradition often led to a gradual separation of religious guidelines from daily life and an acceptance of divorce, abortion and cohabitation outside marriage. "Perhaps America's brand of secularism poses a particular problem," the pope said, according to the prepared text of his speech. "It allows for professing belief in God, and respects the public role of religion and the churches, but at the same time it can subtly reduce religious belief to a lowest common denominator." Speaking after a prayer service at the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, Benedict told the gathered bishops that the church must establish its teachings as central to people's daily life.
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So how does the Pope explain the Pedophile Priests who are feeding on our children? Are they secularist who have reduced religious beliefs to the lowest common denominator? The reason why there are so many pork Topas in Spain is because of the Spanish Inquisition where the monarchy attempted to convert the Jewish and Muslim populations to Christianity. After a while they realized that the Jews and Muslims who were freshly converted were faking the whole thing. So as Jews and Muslims do not eat pork , they came up with a cruel system that would inform them if the freshly converted soul was lying or not. If the Jew or the Muslim did not eat the array of beautiful topas (which were made of pork) that was presented to them, then they were sentenced to a cruel death. Pope John Paul actually apologized for this (and many other atrocities of the Catholic Church, like supporting the Nazis in order to gain revenue and access to the schools across Germany and "Greater Germany). The list goes on and on. Chew on this Jesus
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Can you imagine the expressions when those poor souls find out, that due to a translation error, they're in store for 74 Virginians? Around the Capitol Beltway, that fate is considered Hell. "Since you've all been such good boys and girls, I would like to take everybody in this entire audience out for milk and cookies. There are buses outside. Everybody follow me."
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Around the Beltway there is more sin than anywhere else in the country. It seems that there is always some male House of Rep or some male Senator partaking in extracurricular activity that goes against the morals or principles that even the most liberal minded person can ever think of. What was the guys name from Idaho (I-da-hoe in this case). One of the main characters in the impeachment trials of Clinton was caught by the FBI soliciting sex from young males at the airport in Boise. Fuck!!! And there are many more stories to go around. 74 or 73 virgins would not be that much fun anyway!! You spend the rest of your time in the clouds teaching them and this is not what I call heaven!!!! If there were 74 experienced girls there then I would find god.
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GRTUD,..V-I-R-G-I-N-S!!!The 74 Virginians you are more likely to meet them in the Big-House:-)(-:
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Hey trifecta,It was the Minneapolis airport and it was airport security that busted him, but basically a true story.
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from the introduction to this topic: "Believe it if you need it, if you don't, just pass it on. But talk about it here, and please maintain a safe respectful place to do so." Several recent posts bashing other people's religions have violated both the letter and spirit of this, and I put on my mod hat and say Please Cut It Out. I am not for the present going in and nuking existing posts, but further posts along the general lines of Muslim-bashing, Catholic-bashing, and the like with regard to any religion, including atheism and secularism, will be summarily nuked. Believe what you want, but leave others alone to do likewise.
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His name is Larry Craig. I have met him on several occasions and organized demonstrations against him and his forest policies back in the 90's. Watching his downfall is something I have had great interest in. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Man in a Purple Dress -- Pete Townshend How dare you wear a robe to preside How dare you cover your head to hide Your face from God How dare you smile from behind your beard To hide the fact your heart's afeared, And wave your rod How dare you be the one to assess Me, in this God-forsaken mess You, a man, in a purple dress A man in a purple dress You are all the same Gilded and absurd Regal, fast to blame Rulers by lost word Men above men, or prats With your high hats You priest, you mullah so high You pope, you wise rabbi You're invisible to me Like vapour from the sea How dare you? Do you think I'll quietly go? You are much braver than you know For I can't die Your staff, your stick, your special cap They'll protect in Hell? What crap! Believe the lie How dare you be the one to assess Me, in this God-forsaken mess You, a man, in a purple dress A man in a purple dress When you place your frown Between my God and prayer However grand your crown Or dignified your hair Men above men, or prats In your high hats You priest, you mullah so high You pope, you wise rabbi You are invisible to me Like vapour from the sea I lovingly mock you noble lords We all dress up to grant awards I do that as well I dare condemn your fashion sense At least you're not astride a fence That would not sell But I will deliver this address Your soul's condition don't impress You, a man, in a purple dress A man in a purple dress when we saw The Who a couple of years ago, Pete commented on how this song was not about religion, but about judgement. peace.
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Thanks CCJ I love The Who and never heard that!
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JESUS LOVES,JESUS FORGIVES,and JESUS died for our sins. PEACE & always BE KIND..
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glad you liked it Mom, for other Who fans, the name of the album is Endless Wire. more info to follow in a private message. peace.
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had posted a question here, but seems to have gotten lost. As don't feel like retyping it, will wait and see whether turns up********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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How'd a person get a name like Hunter, anyway? No doubt there is a God, is all I can say. Well, besides, "Thank You"... "You know what the trouble about real life is? There's no danger music."
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Wow! I don't think I expected to see these kinds of posts here! I thought it was obvious that the Grateful Dead experience (at it's best) WAS church!!! I thought most people knew that they were singing folk songs to their "people", describing our reality, validating our experience, giving us hope to go on, providing inspiration and connection, ritual and symbol, JUST LIKE CHURCH - except FULL OF LIFE, NOT EMPTY RITUAL!!! For me, after being exposed to everything from fundemental Christianity (my dad's side) to Budhism, American Indian, TM (I even met the Maharishi!), est., and Wicca (my mom's influence), I started to see how all these beliefs really just emphasize different points of the same truth. I started to see how, once you combined their teachings, threw out the political bias that men wrote in, and focused on the similarities, one truth started to emerge... the path to spiritual awakening, the connection to the higher force that created you and all life, is found by living a fully authentic and passionate life. You can only find your individual path to connecting with the creative force by going within, NOT looking to some middle man for answers. Later, I discovered that Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell described this path as the process of individuation. Campbell even hung out with members of the Dead and confirmed that the shows were spiritual in nature, full of "living ritual". For me, the members of the Grateful Dead, through their support staff, acted as a conduit of energy (at the best points). They seemed to channel something greater through their ability to let go and let the music control them. When we, as the audience, joined that energy through dance or some other form, we amplified it and sent it back. In this way, an energy loop was created that lifted us ALL up (even those that didn't know what was going on). But for many of us... this process was CONSCIOUS!!! When I was able to pariticipate in this experience, this transformation and projection of energy, there was NO DOUBT in my soul that it was a spiritual experience. I think too many people get tied up in the religions of old. They forget that these religions were created not just to provide spiritual connection, but also to reflect and support the social and political motives of the people that controlled them. It concerns me when people disregard the teachings of Jesus and other prophets to be true to their own connection to God in order to follow the rules that MEN made up as a means of control hundreds of years ago. "live a life you love, use a God you trust, and don't take it all too seriously..."
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wow mtfreak ,, defanatley food for thought..going to shows was like a (religous) experience for me also .. " just a box of rain beleive it if you need it if you don`t just pass it on "
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"It concerns me when people disregard the teachings of Jesus and other prophets to be true to their own connection to God in order to follow the rules that MEN made up as a means of control hundreds of years ago."
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I'm still convinced that "Jerry is God" and "God is Sound". Seriously, I get my meditation time in while listening to Jerry and to the Dead. I always feel that hit from the divine spirit when I tune in. Thanks, guys!
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when reason ends faith begins! when faith ends, reason ends! it's like a wind dat catches ur breath wen samtings wrong!!! faith arises wen love reigns!!! itz a puzzle hidden behind d buckle bars who simply undefined perceptive power... its a faith called the magnification life brings wen things go wrong...am jaz a woman, idealistic but id rader be on my own rader dan c tings go not my way! if fixing problems is so sucked, i cud definitely go blind... wat f ders destiny, wat f ders hope! id rader be myself beating hardly drawn dan put tings lie on alone....
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Well said wolfsong, I too have been gratified to discover I am not the only Chrisitan Deadhead! My experience of the Grateful Dead helped solidify the idea that "its all church, man, if you take the time to see it, hear it, feel it". Thank you for your eloquence. Peace my brother.
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i tink eye mite egree wiv u f i cd jes derstan sackly wut yu sez dere ;-)
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Oh give me a home where the buffalo roamWhere the deer and the antelope play Where seldom is heard, a discouraging word And the skies are not cloudy all day
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Read the following book: A short history of nearly everything by Bill Bryson. 570 pages (and another 100 pages of citations). This book will help one understand everything that happened from the Big Bang to the rise of civilization. After reading such books, then try to fit any of the organized religions into the equation. I was brought up a Catholic and after reading the Old Testament i realized that if there is such a God why is he then iso evil and why would i follow such nonsense. (the old testman is borrowed from Jewish texts and is full of Blood, Murder, Incest, etc) I can comment about the New Testament but i will conclude with saying that organized religion is our tradition and is an acceptable way to remember our cultures, but most of the time religious people tend to not realize this. I love Christmas and all the holidays and i even had my daughter baptized out of respect for my tradition. If we look at the facts and the evidence everyone would realize this and respect what is in front of our faces/our reality so to speak and not leave it all behind because after one dies he or she will hang in the clouds listening to an angle playing a harp. I’m in Sierra Leone and went to a place called Banana Island, long story short it is one of the largest ports used during the slave trade. If there was a god why would he allow a church (which is convently set with a perfect view of the loading docks)to bless the slave trade and oversee the slaves before they were shipped off like widgets to the Americas? If there was a god why would he allow "his chosen people" to almost be exterminated by the Nazis? I have at least 170+ questions like these. Why Why Why. The answer is that there is no fictitious being and we are responsible for our own actions here in this reality. If someone can prove me wrong please do. When i came to this realization i was scared and felt helpless, but came up with other more realistic ways to look at life and the ripple effect that i leave behind. The next time you look up at the Sun you should thank it as it is what truly gave us life and is the center of our existence. But the Christians that enslaved the Americas called the natives who worshiped the Sun Heathens, but the reality is that it is the other way around. Anyway I will shut up now and look forward to hearing your thoughts.
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i com.pleetli a gree wiz yur elokwent kommend!:-)(-:
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"Matthew 2 describes Herod and all of Jerusalem as troubled by the worship of the infant Jesus. Herod then had all of the children of Bethlehem slain. If such extraordinary infanticides of this magnitude had occurred, why didn't anyone write about it? Jerusalem was the center of education and record keeping for the Jewish people. The Romans, of course, also kept many records. Moreover, the gospels mention scribes many times, not only as followers of Jesus but the scribes connected with the high priests. And as for historians, there lived plenty at the time who had the capacity and capability to record, not only insignificant gossip, but significant events, especially from a religious sect who drew so much popular attention through an allegedly famous and infamous Jesus. Take, for example, the works of Philo Judaeus who's birth occurred in 20 B.C.E. and died 50 C.E. He lived as the greatest Jewish-Hellenistic philosopher and historian of the time and lived in the area of Jerusalem during the alleged life of Jesus. He wrote detailed accounts of the Jewish events that occurred in the surrounding area. Yet not once, in all of his volumes of writings, do we read a single account of a Jesus "the Christ." Nor do we find any mention of Jesus in Seneca's (4? B.C.E. - 65 C.E.) writings, nor from the historian Pliny the Elder (23? - 79 C.E.). If, indeed, such a well known Jesus existed, as the gospels allege, does any reader here think it reasonable that, at the very least, the fame of Jesus would not have reached the ears of one of these men? Amazingly, we have not one Jewish, Greek, or Roman writer, even those who lived in the Middle East, much less anywhere else on the earth, who ever mention him during his supposed life time. This appears quite extraordinary, and you will find few Christian apologists who dare mention this embarrassing fact."
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Mocking sugarcreeks writing style!!!!! Hope she is not scared off now.********************************** Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you will still exist, but you have ceased to live. Samuel Clemens
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I actually enjoyed reading sugarcreek's post. She writes a little like the missed heathaafeathaa whose posts were such fun to read. If some gentle teasing is misinterpreted as mockery then of course I apologise!