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  • operator
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    Hi guys-Richard has just started a Summer '82 vine which has a matrix recording included. I kind of understand the concept of "matrix" but I'd like to hear what other people know about the whole thing. Basically, as far as I can tell, a "matrix" recording, although I believe that to be a misnomer, is a mix of a sbd and an audience recording. Any other details we should all know? When did Healy start using this method for mixing? Any comments? I'd love to know some more.
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    There Are Several Programs Out There That Can Help You With The Gap's.I Use Wave Pad,It Is A Music Editor.The Problem Is You Either Have To Know What Your doing Or You Will Spend Some Time reading Directions,It Does Alot Of Stuff.One Suggestion,Always Make A Copy Of The File You Are going To Edit In Case something goes wrong.Messed Up A Few Times While Learning How To Use,Luckely I Had Hard Copys On Dvd.Anyways I Hope This helps .Wave Pad Is A Free Download For 14 Days,So You Can probaly Fix Your Stuff By Then.After 14 Days It Will Not work Unless You purchace A Licence. Go To NCH.com.Have A grateful weekend...Brian (cause There's An Easy Wind....Blowin' Cross The Bayou Today)
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    And the last time ui saw Pigpen, and the GOGD for 18 years it is also getting on to the same amount of time since i last saw the Dead. 1990 in Europe Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
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    I just ripped and burned
    the 5-26-72 and listened back to NFA>GDTRFB>NFA and there was no pause in between those tunes. (KILLER sequence btw) Those segue seamlessly into one another without any 'gaps'. My Nero appears to copy the source in front of it, just as it is. So if the source has gaps, then the copy will and visa versa. (Of course it 'marks' the different tracks visually so you can select them, but not with an audible break). So, I am going ahead to try to finish these shows and send the vine out. (My sons are finishing their semester papers so computer time is not at a premium right now.) As far as the other May '72 shows (5/4 & 5/11), I will try to work to see if I can 'join' those gaps, but honestly I am over my head with this. I have a kinship with Hal and just learned about alot of how to do this recently. I need a vine 'doctor' to be able to 'mend' those separated jams for us. I will try to do it, but if I am unsuccessful, then I will simply send the shows onto dstache. Maybe he (or someone on down the vine) will figure it out. But thankfully the 5-26-72 is 'intact' (thanks again, Richard) and it is a truly stunning show and a wonderful finale to the Dead's adventure 'across the pond'. That show alone is worth vining.
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    My copy of Nero you have to remeber to put in everytime that you don't want gaps, i can't figure out how to set the gap at zero Bob - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spanish Jam
  • Oroboros
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    I know that I vined
    some shows with the 'gaps' between tracks and I have to agree with operator that those can be annoying and I plead total ignorance on how to rectify it on my end. I use a Nero burner on my computer and am a true 'technogeezer'. I would really like to know how to 'join' those that have the gaps, but don't know how to do it. These are shows that came to me like this and if there is an effective way to do it, that would be nice. It isn't as big a deal with my Clapton, Neil, Marley, etc, because those guys rarely segue as the Dead do. So I am part of the difficulty and I will attempt to make full disclaimer on the shows that I am vining that are in that condition. But it is kinda like with the Veneta show and its 'faults', I would rather have that show that is many generations down the line than not having the show at all. But yes, operator, to have those segues smooth and the be able to grin with delight as the boys slide into another tune or 'jump the tracks' to the next song are infinitely preferable to me as well.
  • operator
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    No, sorry
    I know there are a few applications with which to eliminate the gaps. I'm just not familiar with those programs, but I'm sure there are others here who are. You could just check the help section of WMP and see if they address this issue. When you received the discs did they have gaps between songs?
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    I know that my Cream Filling vine definitely had gaps as I use WMP. Sorry about that. I'll download I-Tunes as you recommend for future vines. And for myself. I'd prefer no gaps for sure. Just wasn't that big of a deal to me. Operator, you are saying that once there are gaps on the cds, there is no way for the person who receives the cds to correct that, right? So, you can't make the Cream Filling shows have no gaps?
  • operator
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    Well, for instance a few vines came to me recently and the cds they were on had gaps between the tracks.When I imported them into iTunes, the gaps remained. So I think if we could eliminate the gaps pre-burning, the problem would be solved for everyone down the vine.
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    I'm figuring all this out too or at least making an attempt.
    dstache - I have WMP and the gaps too. I would like to send out some shows I have that were given to me and I have the discs with no gaps between and would like to copy these with no gaps between and send them out. Also would like the shows I listen to, either on CD or WMP not to have these gaps but I am so overjoyed at having the shows that gaps are not a major irritant for me. Just the next step to learn. I wish there was a basic guide to trading somewhere. There is a big learning curve for some of us and myself I would rather be out hiking somewhere than spending long periods of time trying to figure all this out. Thanks to all of you that have given me and other here pointers. Just this year I have learned how to rip and burn discs, how to download and am learning Trader's Helper and capturing streams. There is so much out there as far as music players etc. for your computer, it gets confusing. One of my friends who has 1000's of hours of tapes is overjoyed whenever I give him a show even if it is in mp3 (which I no longer do) or with the gaps. He just keeps pointing out to me how much better these are than our old tapes. So I am not going to whine about the formats I have now but will keep trying to improve the quality, but any guides for us Luddites would be appreciated. If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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too. I've recently grabbed some TH, and quite a few Dire Straits so it'd be cool to hear what you've got! On the NY front I was just listening to 12/18/07, a very nice AUD recording. I'll PM you... "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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I will get it together and post it in new vines this weekend. I will make sure and put that it is shn/flac only.
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on live Talking Heads. thanks Lopezz "Let there be songs to fill the air."
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Just wanted to see how that looked in print. David Byrne is pretty much a genius, I think. I just missed seeing him here in Louisville, doing a show of the Byrne/Eno stuff (without Eno). Heard it was enjoyable. ********************************************* I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com *********************************************
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Mark,I'm one of those. Am going to see David Byrne in Feb. :-) If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Hi, Sorta technical, and I didn't want to fill up "New Vines" with one of my long, rambling endlessly wordy posts. What is the preference regarding people from outside the US signing onto the "normal" USA vines, vs signing up on Eurovines? Recently LIG71 received the Boston Tea Party vine which he had signed up for some time ago. Turns out he's in France. He does have the vine and will be sending it back over here at some point (to me, since I'm next), but my understanding was that the Eurovines were set up to avoid the ocean crossing and the resultant 2 - 3 week delay in transit (not to mention whatever that postage is like). Are the Euroheads aware of this, or how does a person in France or wherever know they should only sign up on the Eurovines (if that is the case)? Frankly (who is in the Czech Republic) pulled out of the 1991 DSB vine because of the issue (although I said I'd send him a copy 'cause I'm a fuckin' grate guy) but LIG71 is after me on at least one vine, and as long as any vine is going to go across to Europe it seems like we should just send a copy and it can stay there and circulate, while keeping the original vine here growing. I haven't checked the Eurovine forum (guess I need to but have too many to keep up with already), how does that system work? School me. Thanks Cheers, MarkintheDark ********************************************* I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com *********************************************
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well what normally sort of sometimes kinda happens is this... Vines started in Europe have US and Europe Versions (the latter posted on the Vines Across the Waters forum) Some vines started in the US have also been seeded in Europe if someone here asks and if someone there is kind enough to make and send a copy. They then get posted on Vines Across the Waters and circulate on. When US vines start to slow down some have also gone to and fro across the big pond. Most (but not all) transatlantic traffic has been in DVDs only , it keeps costs down and avoids the attention of customs. Most of us in Europe are quite OK with handling DVDs and someone in the US normally volunteers to make CD copies of vines coming from Europe. (If you are sending vines internationally make sure you fill in on the customs declaration that the contents of the package are a gift of no commercial value) Vines in Europe don't tend to last so long as there are not so many of us, because the post is quite fast, because we normally just use DVDs and also because many here are well hooked into other ways of getting shows. Expired Eurovines are generally offered to members of the Eurotraders site (a Yahoo group of Eurodeadheads). Since I started the Matrix vine in Europe it was also offered from the start on the Vines Across the Waters forum . The last to offer it there was grateful-ted back on October,27 so ideally LIG71 would contact him to get it. I hope that makes sense. Its all a wonderful evolved disorganisation that works pretty well because of the kindness of all involved. PS Stand by for Volume 2 of the Matrix Vine
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See the book 'Talking Heads- the band and their music' by (get ready, get ready) David Gans. Our own David Gans. It is a fun read and has some great pictures of the band's evolution. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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So there is a copy of the Matrix Vol. 1 already in Europe, somewhere, that LIG71 should sign on to? And are we here in the US to discourage (maybe that's not the word I want) overseas 'heads from signing up on US vines? Don't know where a viner is until he (or she) sends us his (or her) address and I'd hate to be the guy in front of the guy in Lichtenstein who's waited for a vine for months only to be outed as a European when he sends me his address. If you can follow that messy sentence there. This Matrix vine has been slow going over here, and there are seven people after LIG71. If there's already a copy over there maybe I should PM him to check on it, or at least make sure he can handle just the DVDs. This Matrix vine is a beast, as you know, and I've already promised Frankly in the Czech Republic that I'd send over a copy of the 1991 DSB vine - and I've already confirmed he *doesn't* do DVDs/flac. Unrelated: Deadheads, Talking Heads and David Gans wrote a book on 'em. That is too synchronisticly funny. Thanks for the pointer Oroboros. You guys are the coolest. ********************************************* I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com *********************************************
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I've PM'd LIG71 and suggested he contact grateful-ted about the European Matrix (desperately trying to not sound like I'm a cheap, lazy bastard blowing him off) and also sent a PM to grateful-ted (think he's British) to let him know what's going on. Keeping my cheap, lazy bastard fingers crossed. Thanks again for the help MarkintheDark ********************************************* I have a sigfile! --> www.kindveggieburritos.com *********************************************
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Well I wouldn't say folk should discourage Euroheads from signing up, just check if the vine originated in Europe, because if it did there should be a Euroversion circulating. Euroheads like Sunshine Daydream (and to a much lesser extent me, Greg McFarlane and others) have started lots of vines and sent them to the US...and many folk over there have been kind enough to send stuff the other way when asked. I reckon it is up to each individual to decide if they want to make a copy to send across the pond (in which case the recipient should definitely then offer it on the Vines Across the Waters forum) or to include the Eurohead on the regular vine (postage each way takes 7-10 days)
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hey nowcan anybody help with directions on how to download shows and transfer them to CD. i do not have any teen agers or younger kids to help! lol
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Well it depends on what web site you are attemping to download from . I just sent you a PM, check your in box . Hopefully that will help you . If you need more help just let me know , if I can`t help I`m sure someone here can help you out . Peace ...
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downloaded traders little helper, how do i use it? how do i convert the flac files so i can put them on an audio cd? any and all help is appreciated.........
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Step 1: download the music to your hard drive. I have a PC and download to "music" in "owner" and "desktop." Step: 2: open TLH, click "format" then "decode audio files" in the dropdown Step 3: you are now in "decode audio files"-click "add" and find and highlight the files you want to decode, then click "open" Step 4: once you have added all the files you want to decode (I suggest limiting it to 1 show, any more and the likelihood of errors seems to increase) click "decode." The files will start decoding. Step 5: once the files are all decoded, go to where your downloaded files are and you will see the WAV files.
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when i go to decode i get a message- cannot open output file(likely it does not exist or is not accessable) now what to do here.........help i'm technologically challenged!!
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the light goes on, and we have success, now what is the prefered program to use for a gapless playback cd?
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I use I-tunes. You have to change the settings to 0 seconds btwn tracks. I think you go to preferences and advanced to do that.
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try burn4free on burn4free.com supports gapless CD creation. Happy listening!
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burn your CDR set to "Disc at Once." If the setting is "Track at Once," it will put those annoying gaps between tracks.