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    Noise Reduction and...

    I used Dolby for a brief blink of an eye when I first started copying tapes. Being young and naive, I thought who wants tape noise to come through on the recording, duh.. no brainer, I flipped the Dolby switch on my Nak and hit record. I just want to hear the music, no hiss.

    Very quickly reality set in. Was it Dolby A or Dolby B? Was the source tape recording using Dolby, if so, if you hit Dolby wouldn't it further compress the recording and further alter the sound, you can't play back using Dolby Squared, right? And what do you do in the car, in the boom box (yes.. we were just a few years out of 8 tracks when I started getting tapes). And who really flips or unflips the Dolby switch anyway based on how you think the recording was made. After all, were all these tapes properly notated every step of the way.

    So I quickly gave up on noise reduction, I had a good enough tape deck that I shouldn't be so worried about tape noise. I quit Dolby and never looked back (and never worried about pressing the Dolby button again).

    Just spit balling here, but my prejudices sometimes come to the surface when I hear a Dicks or Daves or Road Trips that sounds a bit muffled and I wonder if the particular Reel or Cassette or Betamax or whatever might have had a Dolby snafu baked in. To be clear, I have no proof this has ever occurred, I just wonder sometimes.

    I should emphasize Jeffrey Norman / David Glasser, etc. have gotten better at their jobs. So if there is any compression or noise reduction used anywhere along the way, they better at making this music sound as good as it possibly can, regardless of the sordid history of the source tapes. Thank you GD, Mockingbird Studios, the good folks and Plangent Processing and all the others that get this music to my front porch. Oh, and thank you tapers too!

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    I can’t say for sure off hand about everyone who recorded Dead and NR, but Betty was known for not using it, and if things are done right, no need.
    Nothing comes for free, so every time you do something, it will effect other things, sometimes negatively…a cost benefit trade off…perhaps just like BITD with high gen cassettes? To Dolby or not to Dolby, that is the question lol
    I always have tried not to do any permanent adjustments/fixes, preferring to try and fix some other way, eq etc, but nothing permanent that you can’t fix yer fix!

    Imho NR etc becomes more of a band aid for when things weren’t able to be right, or to help mask issues beyond repair, i.e., the ravages of time.
    Don’t think I’ve ever used any on a master recording?

    Onto rest of GDM soundtrack this afternoon…

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    So 15 ips or 30 ips would have been impractical for shows I imagine. Expense, changing reels too often, and as these were for listening by the band not studio use, etc. But what about them using noise reduction? I'm guessing no Dolby.
    As an aside, I seldom have my Dolby on when listening to cassettes even though most were recorded with it. Even factory tapes with Dolby seem less muffled without it and I'm not listening at thunderous levels (most of the time) where hiss is an issue.
    Skylabs, a top notch mid-western audio repairer, no longer works on certain categories of equipment: Consoles, quad receivers, linear tracking turntables, automatic turntables, and reel to reels. Just not worth it from a cost perspective for what those machines sell for vs. repair costs. There are still plenty of specialists who will and R-to-Rs are available restored at very reasonable prices but good luck finding pre-recorded tapes (old or new). Nobody makes them anymore. I was never tempted but my cassette guy sells tons of R-to-Rs for like $200-$300 fully restored, but they are more run of the mill Sony and not high end. And they sell fast!
    Thanks again and cheers bro

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    First half of GDM soundtrack

    Ist show. The more surface area (wider the tape), and/or the faster the recording speed, the higher the resolution. And yes R2R can most certainly sound best. (Like anything though, if done well)
    The problem is a good one is very expensive, they’re as hard to keep maintained etc as a TT, and good linage quality tapes are rare and expensive, oh, and more a pain to “flip” than even a record…but they can sound amazing!

    Remember, many CDs AND most vinyl are sourced from (hopefully) master R2R tapes! A purist with the gear and ears might argue that direct to (vinyl) disc recording is the ultimate…but good luck lol
    One of the main reasons digital still gets such a bad rap is twofold
    1- the conversion used originally, and lack of attention to disparity’s between different DACs in the chain. Conversion has come a loonnggg way baby! AND…
    2- a significant number of the CDs first produced to meet the huge demand were not sourced from the master tapes, and lineage and source quality were often a joke! Caveat emptor: not all CDs are created alike!…or Blu-ray’s, or DVDs, or Vinyl etc Like drugs boys and girls, know your sources!

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    5th show in the box.
    OK, now were getting there.
    Great 1st set.
    2nd set list looks good too.
    Moving right along...
    Cheers

    Random ?s for the tapers and the knowledgeable. Were these original tapes running at 7.5 ips on reel to reels and were they done with any Dolby or whatever? And do you audience tapers use any noise reduction? Been talking to an analog guy who says with reel to reel running fast you get superior saturation and the best analog sound of all, which to his ear beats CDs and even vinyl, and Dolby is unnecessary for good reel to reel recordings.

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    climb on the fence, you idiot"

    august 6th 1974

    now that's much better, the sound is less polished or over-dubbed...or whatever...

    support your local library,
    my better half's employer also

    Peace for All!
    uncle_tripel

    PS - Hey Bobby, party like it's 1984, Happy B-day!

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    This is a little niche for this forum since I’m streaming it on BBC iplayer so it’s probably only accessible in the UK,
    John Martyn - Live at Reading University 1978
    This is an episode of ‘Rock Goes to College’. We saw him several times 78 -79 and his solo concerts were always excellent. It’s available for the next 27 days and is highly recommended. For those who can’t access it I recommend his album ‘One World’ which was his current album when this concert was recorded.
    Edit: To be honest I’d recommend any of his albums really

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    Slumming it ; )

    With Dave’s 17, since the rude abrupt halt to my research via the archive being down : (
    Ah well, I’ll just have to suffer lol

    Hope their highly trained crack equipment crew gets it just exactly perfect sooner than later 🤞Was gonna do the big five O anniversary treatment of Rocktober 74, complete in order as I don’t think I’ve done so? Sigh…bastards!

    Kudos to Uncle T supporting the local Library! (TOO is a librarian ; )
    If you don’t use em, ya lose em!
    And remember, they killed Marion ; )

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    yeah, so ...

    ...this weekend I visited our local library, been awhile...
    took home the 5 CD GOGD Movie Soundtrack box...
    today's listening party:

    oct 20 1974 set 2

    maybe, I'll need to listen to this box abit more, or maybe not...?
    finding the mix is almost like, well, you know, too studioish...

    ... DL announcement later this week, hey now, how about it?

    make LOVE, not WAR!!!

    uncle_tripel

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    10 9 89

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...RFK 1973-06-09 all Day Long :)

Around the world everyday...believe
belēfan, geloven, glauben, also to lief...in Peace for All!
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Steve Kuhn's 1986 gig at The Village Vanguard, with Ron Carter bass, Al Foster drums, "Life's Magic". Kuhn, now in his mid 80s has recently stopped touring. He's a little under the radar when the big name piano jazz comes up, a fine session here.

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in the streets?...lol, 1984-07-15 GREEK; yup so it goes...
...way down in L.A., every day, they're barfin' in the street; well,
according to Bobby anyways, listen closely, you'll hear it...yeah, anyways needed a good laugh today

Peace for All!
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Morning rockers!!

Paperwork day, no autopsies, too much coffee.........

Well, not exactly today, but over the weekend listened to the entire Family Dog run of February/March 1970. Fun shows, great stuff!!

Re box set rumors, while digging into the dark dusty corners of my own archive I was reminded that recordings of the June 12 & 13 1970 Hawaii shows are in the vault and are very decent quality...............

When there are dogs and music, people have a good time........

Doc
Dogs and philosophers do the greatest good and get the fewest rewards......

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...in a while, 1974-07-19 Selland Arena today, always a nice listen when returning back to '74 (daP #17)...you get shown the light
...in the strangest of places if you look at it right

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hearty welcome DREASE1978

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Love June ‘76.

Playing 6-10-76 in the car this week (can’t get through a whole show in a single-day commute).

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...sure, boston garden set 2, 1974-06-28
to lie with you with our dreams entwined together

Peace for All!
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...ENJOYABLE these 1974 extended versions of us blues, so after being inspired by yesterday's boston version; well, today it's 1974-06-23 set 2 MIAMI from daP #34

We're all confused...
...the United States Blues!

Peace Everyone!
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I agree that this was a great and most welcome choice throughout 1974. Some great jams were resolved by going into this song - flying from outer space and landing smoothly on Planet E.

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It was on serius this morning. Caught some bits but missed the big second set chunk.
Brent sounded great, and everybody is equal in the mix. I'll buy that baby.

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From last years box. Great Truckin'-Other One -Eyes jam on the 3rd cd. If you are pressed for time you might want to skip the first two cds and the post Eyes songs.

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...got a feeling, a feeling deep inside, oh yeah...
stayin' with the Summer theme, 1991-06-24 SANDSTONE Amphitheatre, you are listening, it's SUMMER 1991!

...that's right, I've got a feeling, a feeling I can't hide, oh no, NO

enjoy the weeknd with PEACE for All
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Has there ever been a time where they played shows from a soon to be released box set on Sirius/XM prior to the announcement of a box set? Just curious as I don't have Sirius/XM.

Would love to see those 80 Alaska shows come out or other 80 shows.

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Spinning now.

Gave 2-28-69 vinyl a spin last night.

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Hey rockers!!!

Right now I'm listening to Monterey, June 14 1969. Intesting stuff, worth a listen........

The moon is a friend for the lonesome to talk to.........

Rock on,

Doc
The Universe is under no obligation to make sense to you.....

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...Art & Brad from The Neville Brothers., 1987-07-06 @ The Igloo in Pittsburgh - today's listen

Peace for All!
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My son sent me a linc to a tube group The Main Squeeze. They have a ton of stuff.

I've been downloading since yesterday. Check out papa was a rolling stone or have a cigar,,,, many others out there.

Worth the poke in my book.

added item,,,, they seem to have about 50 shows on the archive,,, I'll be looking at those :-)

Enjoy

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Phil seems to have posted more "clubhouse" cuts.

Got email garcialive on the way and of course Bob Hunter on way.

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...the back stairs...no one can hear me...1993-09-20 SET 2 MSG
...wanna see what's goin' on...space>TOO>GDTRFB>AM Dew
look who's that back stage, Paul Simon, as we watched from the second level over Vinny's keys across Garcia and then special guest Edie Brickell

Peace All!
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...for something completely different...1995-06-02 shoreline with the Gyuto Tantric Choir between drumz & space

kiss someone you love today for 6 seconds, you will feel the energy

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Part of a DP chop job.
I have each show fragment in separate folders on my music player.

More 74 Dave!!!!!

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It's the bane of my life ( slight exaggeration) that Dicks Picks with segments of this and two other 1974 shows. I have never made notes about which song comes from which show, so I always have to get Deadbase down to try and figure it out. Either that or just forget about it and play the cds as they are.

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The collector in me wants everything organized by show date.
I even have the Ummagumma live album in its own folder with the date.
I don’t do it to all non-GD bands. A lot of live albums are sourced from an entire tour so I leave them that way.

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Love that this an official release. I was there. This was sort of a prelude to me following the GOGD for the next six years or so to the best of my ability. Good folks at local radio station WLIR. I still say the Calderone was a crappy venue, but they had great shows!

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Garcia Live Volume 21 2/13/76 Keystone. :)

I purchased the CDs, ripped them twice, and then proceeded to listen on a streaming service. I don't know why I do anything at all sometimes...

It's nice though....

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Playing the brand spanking new reissue of Feats Don't Fail Me Now. It's a 3 CD set, with the original album remastered, a disc of outtakes, and a live set. Always liked the original LP, and grateful to have two 'new' discs of Lowell.

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A fun, beautiful show on a gorgeous summer Saturday afternoon in the PNW. My youngest brother in town for an extended visit that ran through Eugene and beyond - seeing shows, backpacking the Olympics and Cascades, camping at Tahkenitch. Jerry's first public performance with Lightning Bolt - not that we knew that - all we "knew" was it all sounded fantastic. This show was just exactly perfect and would make a mighty fine official release.

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...on the '76 theme in syracuse 1976-09-28 set 2 [diP #20]

peace all!

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Hey rockers!!

Sorry to burst the 76 balloon, I was cranking April 13 1971 and got carried way...........

Men are not prisoners of fate, but only prisoners of their own minds............

Doc, paperwork day
Love works a different way in different minds, the fool it enlightens and the wise it blinds.....

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...else shaking so...1976-10-15 SHRINE...you might just as well...(on the archive.org, and it's identifier 84260)
someone [sixtus?] mentioned the precursor to 1977? the forerunner to Spring '77, BEST check this one out with it's all-consuming and exceptional TOO, amongst others

...I'd like to take that ride again...

Peace for All
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...Summer Places...June 20th, gonna continue rockin' ALL-DAY, beginning in...
ATL 1974, and will then proceed to GREEK 1987 (on the archive. org identifier 93080), and maybe, just maybe, on to an aud recording at MERRIWEATHER 1983, and lastly, tonight, as the air begins to cool, it's ALASKA 1980.
Ready for lift-off; and so
enjoy your day everyone!

PEACE!
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Fillmore East Feb '70.
It's an Owsley. And a Latvala.
This has a unique clean sounding mix.
Owsley credits John Chester's board design. (no exact date on GDCD 4063)
Love the Outskirts of Town borrowed from Ray Charles.
Needed a Moutain Jam.
Cheers on the solstice!

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Reliving 40 years ago seeing my first show in a foreign country lol
Really, pre 911, like going to the next county for us locals.
Fun time, good show but not RJ…
Onward!
Summers here and the time is right!

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Just started spinning, will be the soundtrack for tonight’s hockey game.

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followed by 6/26&27&29/84
A night to remember!
Posted more on show page…

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...the Summer theme continues even though I just listened a couple of weeks back, 1991-06-24 SANDSTONE Amphitheatre...are you listening, it's SUMMER 1991! just a couple of days removed from Soldier field (anyone remember inside the stadium on the concourse, there were banners hanging with notable CHI football players, I stop and look up, and no shit it's Charley Trippi (a running back with the early Chicago Cardinals) oh man this is gonna be a fun few days!
We get to Kansas City on the 23rd (cheap flight from O'hare), rent a car, and go to tour this little unknown at the time craft brewery, Boulevard Brewing, and guess who is working the bottling line, yup nametag on his work shirt verifies that it's Trip! I kid you not. About 13-14 years later, I learn from a former manager that Trip was one of the 1st 5 employees @ Boulevard. what's next when we get out to Sandstone...?
1st set tuning we even get a slight hint of supplication, but little did we realize...

Peace All!

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Part of Go To Nassau.
Warming up for the rumored Alaska shows.

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buffalo war memorial, 1973 march 31st
oh hell, why not, i've got that mellow groove working this morning,
let's just allow this set 2 :) to run on REPEAT all day
stay cool everyone

Peace All,
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Their first show at Red Rocks. And a killer show as we all know. In the July '78 Box (which I have and love). On Archive prefer the OctopusRider matrix (which I'm listening to now). There are killer audience tapes of this show - early on I had one into Fire transition and it became an integral part of my GD being. The first set is nonpareil. The Cold Rain Set II opener is the GOAT.

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Hey rockers!!!

Right now I'm listening to the Hollywood Palladium show of September 9, 1972. It's a little outside of my serious comfort zone, but a very fine show and definitely worth a listen.

This was officially released a little over a year ago, and seems to have been quickly forgotten. There's actually quite a few really good later 72 official releases, worthy of relistens every so often...........

I know, you're shocked, Doc raving about post-E72 shows. No I didn't fall down and hit my head. But last night I did fall outta bed while dreaming of a February/April Fillmore West 1970 box set.............

My masters are strange folk with very little care for music in them.....

Keep it rockin'!

Doc
My heart, which is so full to overflowing, has often been solaced and refreshed by music when sick and weary.....

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...rosemont horizon, 1993 march 11th set 2
partial listen only: truckin' --->>around & around
[very nice recording on the archive #120726]

the flibberty jib on the bipperty bop and the magic was in us

y'all enjoy your day

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Yo! and hello..........

Next up: Baltimore September 17, 1972. Another official release that I didn't pay much attention to back in the day. My bad.............

So much fun revisiting what I missed, mining them for the gold and gems that they are...........

Music comes from a place we don't know......

Rockit!!

Doc, another paperwork day
Music fathoms the sky......

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The Police - February 1979 - today it's known as University of Hertfordshire but back then it was still Hatfield Poly. Great show, there's video as well (believe BBC? Whatever, it's good stuff)