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    She was the finest female minds of her time (century) according to Alison Weir (I suppose Bob thought highly of her as well). AKA Jane of England 1537 -1554. There is a marvelous article on Wikipedia that is a must read. The Dude Abides!
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    Who is Queen Jane? Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, (I am large, I contain multitudes.) Walt Whitman-Song of Myself
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    Steve-O, I Don't know the band that you are referring to, but we both were probably familar with the ancient concept of "the end or the beginning?" or the Oroboros. In Steven Peters book, 'The Stories Behind Every Grateful Dead Song', he wrote "Hunter would evoke yet another classic image in this vein, when he compared the unending spin of the Grateful Dead's career path to the Oroboros, a mythical dragon or serpent which was depicted as biting its own tail and which symbolized infinity or eternal recurrence." On the old website, BlueJayWay posted a wonderful renaissance woodcut of an oroboros/serpent eating it's tail and in the center of that 'circle' was a baby with a skull or skeleton. Those images juxtipositioned to display the life-death-rebirth-mystery. I view it as an organic representaion of the wheel, which for many symbolizes the unending cycles of renewal and eternity. Anyway to make a long story short (which I am constitutionally incaplable of doing), it is a fantastic creature and archetypal concept and I have always connected it to my experiences the Dead. The Oroboros figured prominently into one of my favorite Grateful Dead shows in 1977 on New Year's Eve at Winterland and once again at a subsequent 1978 Madison show. (See my post under Encounters for that whole story). Also thank you "tour historian" for clearing that up about the JFK Stadium. I was wondering about that as well. A 'ghost' stadium. Perfect, great image! And we love to be haunted by those stories that those 'ghost' stadiums whisper and sing to us.
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    I'm guilty of mistaking the 2 stadiums. Hey, thanks for all the input on this subject, MUCH APPRECIATED!!!!. I was wondering where the name oroboros comes from. There is a band out of ohio called the JMilller band used to be named oroboros years ago, any connection there?
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    This old (and now ghost) stadium is frequently confused with RFK which is in Washington, D.C. The Dude Abides!
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    Pardon my latent dyxlexia, it was 4-12-71 (not 4-21-71) for that Pitt. Civic arena show. The older I get the more I get things reversed/backwards. And I searched further (no pun intended) and in the Venue Capacities section (in Odds & Ends in Deadbase XI ) and it lists the John F Kennedy Stadium (capacity 90,400) in Philadelphia Pa. Dylan and the Dead are listed as the 7-10-87 show, and then the Grateful Dead played there on 7-7-89 (with B. Hornsby and the Range opening). It also states that was the final concert held at J.F.K. stadium.
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    Actually I wondered about that JFK listing (on 7-10-87 and 7-7-89). But never having ventured east, I just quoted from the Base. I did screw up the count however. It was 67 shows in Phillidelphia and the total count from PENNSYLVANIA was 101 shows (again Deadbase XI) . The other shows were in; Bethlehem 1 Burgettstown 2 Easton 1 Harrisburg 2 Lancaster 1 Hershey 1 Lewisburg 1 Meadville 1 Sorry on that prior count, and I'll leave it to you to figure out that JFK venue (?). AND listening to DP # 36, with the Dead's sonic rumble and stratospheric soaring, I must say that they certainly loved playing the Spectrum and the Spectrum crowd loved 'em right back. Tremendous show!!
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    And then you have to add those Pitt shows to the grand total for Pa. And on that (Pitt) note; The Civic Arena show is listed on 4-21-71 and it is listed separately from the Pittsburgh Civic Arena (9-24-73, 4-18-78, 11-29-81, 7-2-85, 7-6-87, 6-26-88, 4-2-89, and 4-3-89). Seemed like those might be the same place. But who knows?
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    I don't want to argue the facts, but JFK is not in Pa. Civic Arena and Pittsburgh civic arena are the same place and I'm not sure they played there 9 times. I can believe the 53 at the spectrum, the Dead seemed to love playing there. But facts are facts!! Thanks for the Input.
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    Steve, the Pa count is
    Pa.-67 times. The breakdown is; The Spectrum...53, Civic Convention Hall Aud...5, Electric Factory...5, JFK Stadium...2, Temple U...1, U of Penn. Irvine Stadium....1. Then Pitt's count was 17. The breakdown is; Civic Arena...1, Pittsburgh Civic Arena....8, THE Stanley Theatre..6, Three Rivers Stadium..2. And the the music played the band once in Scranton at the Catholic Youth Center, twice at the State College/Penn State U Recreation Hall , and 4 times in Upper Darby at the Tower Theatre. That is the count thanks to Deadbase XI.
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Read your post about prejudice & ignorance... I live in a far northern part of the Appalachian Mounatin chain and the people around this and the surrounding counties are hill people -- yankee dairy farmers and for the most part. They are salt-of the-earth kind of people. the largest part of them. But there is not a high level of education (or a high percentage of people with all their teeth) and they have been living in these mountains, hills, hollows and vallies for a lot of generations. There are maybe 20 people of color in this 3 county area. There are a lot of bumper stickers around the county seats that read "Hate Is Not A Family Value". Which is all just to say, don't feel you're the only one facing such a situation. With some places it's an epidemic, not an isolated attitude. Wish you the best raising your little one.
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I recently went to three of the shows on the Dead Tour 09 and was disappointed with the quality of the shows. I noticed that a lot of Deadheads were voicing mild approval but whenever I saw a review in the local papers I knew I wasn't far off the track. I don't consider myself a "snobby old deadhead", but I am in that rarified group of people who have listened to 10,000 plus hours of Grateful Dead, JGB, Bob & Phil and know the Dead Base quite well. My interesting question is: If you caught a show on this tour, would you agree that now is the time for Bob, Phil, Mickey & Billy to bury The Dead with a modicum of dignity? They are doing well with their own bands and seem to play better while doing their own thing. As the Dead they seem really constrained. I think if the Boys don't bury The Dead (and seal the crypt) the situation is rife for zombies to come marching in, if they aren't already... ~Nostalgia for the past is bullshit.~ Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche
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each subsequent show i've heard has been a little bit better...i dunno...i'll wait and see (and that may just be subconscious greed and wishful thinking on my part)....i do know i need a show bad...it'll help me heal, mentally and physically.
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...wait till the tour is over to start your whining. You say you're not a "snobby old deadhead" but the very next line you wrote says quite the opposite.
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i am kinda on the fence. i saw three shows this time around and they do sound a little off at times but they still ripped it up at other times. look at some of the 90,s shows were just cause jerry was there dosn't mean they rocked the house. i think some of this is due to age how many people at there age are as sharp as they were 20, 30 or 40 years before. Also i don't particualy like warren some times its like he stops playing to me it seems that he dosn't know what to do if he can't rip out a solo. i think that kind off throughs them off.What i liked about jerry if he needed to think about whats next he would play rythym and just hang and let some one else step up. But i can't seem to give up that vibe they produce at the shows (especialy when i bring the kids) come on we all feel it thats why we are here. So as long as they do shows i will go but if they decide to stop i won't fault them.
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lighten up, i don't believe the man is whining.....just voicing an opinion...i DO think we should wait until the tour ends however, also...why deny them the right to play together?....and if people are enjoying it, all the better....i've only seen 60 or so shows and have several hundred hours on tape....hope i'm not considered a "snobby old deadhead".....'course i know people that have seen them 300+....anyway....give 'em time.........say....is that my lighter?
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I was still a little ticked that he ignored me awhile back on a different forum, but that was cause I dissed Timothy Leary and I guess he took it personally. If anyone expects this to be like the good ol days they might not be too happy. But after 14 years I'm ready to move on and go see the Dead ,Jerry or not, cause I love good music. And when this tour's done they should have enough in the bank to keep going with their own bands for as long as they want to. I paid $64 with fees for my Gorge ticket and am getting 3 bands so the way I see it I'm only paying $20 to see the Dead. I won't pay $100 to see anybody. Anyways, their are still people out here waiting to see this tour, if it doesn't get cancelled cause of the flu epidemic, and we want to be uplifted and the complainers can go piss-off until the tour's over. Peace!
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... that when I'm not loving the Lord with all my heart and get distracted by my own problems I can be just as big a jerk as anybody!
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i didnt look at it that way.......HELL yeah........peace be with you
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great question the battle between good and "evil". Its a long story been here since the begining.The Dead and those of the Cosmic Tribe (its up to you to be of the Tribe) are the current manifestation of the ancient Cosmic Tribe. Our job is to shed light and not to master.A viel of darkness is covering the planet its reach is nearly complete.Its up to you whether light or darkness prevails.Universal Love and Compassion is the only path to being one with the universe.A grateful Dead concert is a tribal gathering,depending on the amount of love and compassion you have reflects what you experience. There is not much time left before darkness prevails on the planet,so we all have to get up to speed real quick Here is a quick path to enlightment. Put yourself in a peaceful enviornment, project your mind off the planet, lay out your life experiences linerally, in a straight line, start at the begining and observe how diferent experiences led you to who you are ,how you think, what you feel.Its like oh! this is when I first felt hurt because of jonn'y calling me fat and ugly,this is when I felt compassion when I saw this old man on the street in the cold with no shoes. You get the idea. Unfortunetly many of you were tramatized by the darkness so that your experiences were shortciruited, this is where you find the shortcircuit and realize it was people's darkness that was passed to you, and how it affected you from that point on.So thats what we do for each other we lift the shit that was laid on us so that we can see .The rest is up to you using your own creative design to perfection What I did was to delete all the files from my cosmic computer , in other words I got rid of hatred, prejudice, envy,ego etc etc. Once you get to this point give me a jingle and we can decide where we go from here.
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just believe, in "skullfuck" let the alligator eat you yellow flowers and dragons keep the peace, share always and water will save you. blessed are those that are truly DEAD. the future as the past is filled with smile. dance till you collapse with enrgy and love that will be the highest high there is. GOOD OLE GRATEFUL DEAD.
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the magic comes when it wants, no one can call it. the dead give it their bet shot, the way its been from the begining. sat worc. bla bla sun worc. into the cosmos hartford started out of the solar system and was progressing to beyond the universe,until five pigs beat me with their clubs, did the show make it out of the universe?????????????? p.s. if the deadheads at the show are NOT KIND if you know what I mean ,then that affects how the band plays. those of you that expect perfection every show really don't have a clue as to whats going on.
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to those worried about your words being front page nytimes.Do you really think that anybody not of the cosmic Tribe can understand what your saying.To most people its jiberish, and those not of the Tribe that understand, understand that they are in the presence of something far beyond their dark desires, and tremble at the thought.
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one does not have to tremble to be aware. consciousness is it's own dimension, even if you're there, the light switch is often hard to find and stumbling in the dark can be dangerous.....you must have faith in the presence......we all know it is there, but some deny it's existence or refuse to accept it.
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Can anyone explain the exact role of Rhino Records in the release of Grateful Dead Music at the moment. The Rhino logo appears on the Egypt Set, 'To Terrapin', '3 From the Vault' and 'Cow Palace', but is nowhere to be found on the Road Trips or Box Set releases, which are credited to 'Grateful Dead Productions Inc'. So is the general frustration with Rhino misplaced...who is actually in charge of organising the releases and the marketing of all the music?
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... is listed in Wikipedia as being responsible for music releases and merchandising. They are in a contract for ten years that started in 2006. This information is contained in the entry for Grateful Dead. I have no idea if this is accurate. There is some other interesting stuff there too.
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Can you answer ?Yes I can, but what would be the answer to the answer man ?
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the Band stopped playing their traditional Jan 31 New Years Eve show in 1992 was this in tribute to Bill Graham? Mountain high to river wide so many roads to ride.
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if I recall correctly it had something to do with the fact that the NYE scene turned into a zoo, the demand for tix was insane, etc. and it probably wasn't very fun for the band. But Bill's loss probably had something to do with it too.
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Is it (as Neil Young claims) better to burn out than to fade away?
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Those who've burned didn't live to tell... not sure you'd wanna try and find out.
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Some burning,some fading....I would say install a good dimmer,know when to use it and enjoy the ride....
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though a good coating of rust can protect the insides...as i happen to live in the northwest and have discovered that up here we don't tan, but we rust quite well........
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My myRock and roll can never die There's more to the picture Than meets the eye. Hey hey, my my. :)
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Of all the partisan bickering in the Congress, the Repub. Lesbian S&M theme parties in Vegas really took my quarterly "Rome is Burning"award. It was nice to see the controlled way in which Obama worked over the Repubs. on this one. (Health care in general with the buzz saw to come on financial regulation.) Way to go Obama and Ted riding co-pilot!
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Anybelly guide me to state law rumoured to be a search-n- seizure law based on Dead stickers in Iowa? Thx
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...against Obamao for perpetuating, and sending tens of thousands of troops to, his "good war" in Afghanistan, and lying about shutting down camp Gitmo??
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against the continuation of those policy implementations he inherited from Bush/Cheny? There's plenty of them. All you have to do is broaden your information gathering beyond what Fox tells you to think and they're easy to find. At least he did actually shut down the stupidity going on in Iraq. I will grant you he's fallen way short of the mark in several areas, but we've had worse.
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Seems like he's just gotten bored or something, and come back with the aim to provoke, like in the "good" old days! Isn't worth it Bro. Pid!