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"The Grateful Dead picked up their instruments and hit the first note with perfection. They never missed a note for the next three and one-half hours. People followed the flow of the tunes. Down on the floor in front of the stage was a sea of heads keeping time with the music. No one sat still. No one, except the youngsters behind us sat still. They were still and stunned." - The Power County Press
And what a stunner it was, that show at the Boise State University Pavilion in Boise, ID on September 2, 1983. Dave's Picks Volume 27 contains every stitch of music from this mid-80s show (our first in this series), one that's as good as any other in Grateful Dead history. When the Dead were on, they were ON! Straight out the gate with a definitive take on the old standard "Wang Dang Doodle," the band swiftly switches back to a setlist of yore, firing off 70s staples like "Jack Straw" and "Brown-Eyed Women" and wrapping things up with a terrific trio of "Big Railroad Blues"/"Looks Like Rain"/"Deal" (don't you let that epic guitar solo go down without you). Primed for the second set, they tackle the complexities of "Help>Slipknot!>Franklin's" with heart and ease. It's clear there will be no stopping their flow - Bobby and Brent hanging in for a fantastic pre-Drums "Jam" and Jerry and Bobby in the zone on a not-to-be-missed melodic "Space." Not a skipper in the whole lot!
Dave's Picks Volume 27 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.
*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.
when you are stuck in traffic:
the other evening I got stuck while driving when a drawbridge here in town had issues, and was impassable for 76 minutes.
I made the best of it, listening to Motorhead 1916 at high volume, with the driver's window down.
that was fun.
Adam And The Ants....
....get the fuck outta here stoltzfus. Really? Don't drink, don't smoke, what do you do? Guilty pleasure. I also enjoy Culture Club at times. The 80's may leave you, but you can't leave the 80's. And to think. You were a thirty minute drive from a meetup.edit. Paul Gilbert. I have a Racer X lp somewhere. I know it.
Star Spangled Banner
Jerry, Bob and Vince, seriously, that sent chills thru me ,the crowd loved it so did I,they did so professionally, was anyone there for that? How is the quality of Dave's Pick 27? I listened to it on the Dead's internet archive, sounds good. Did Jeffrey Normans' mastering improve it?, Was it mastered from the cassette recording?
Best, guit30
Direwulf- Thanks for those great links of Jerry playing with other bands, loved the first one with Santana!
I was not there....
.... although I would fire up Jim's John Deere to blink back to that time. Boise? I like her. 'nuff said. In fact. There she is. Why knot?
I had the Adam and the Ants record as a teen (80, 81, 82)
then let it goyears went by
saw it at the library a few days ago, and checked it out
and he performed at the zoo (close to my abode) last week; I could hear it pretty well
30 some years later it's fun to hear again. some interesting instrumentation and production.
another unusual occurrence in the NW
this evening out on the deck enjoying some nice cool air
a propeller plane flies overhead. "Hmm. Interesting."
I find out later a guy stole the plane from SeaTac, and shortly later crashed it.
You might see the story on CNN or something.
goes to show, you don't ever know
Hello 80s fans
7-4-86 I recently acquired a DVD of set 2 of this night. Bought some swag off Ebay and the seller threw it in as a bonus.
Its vintage 80s Magnavox VCR recording of a public access channel broadcast quality, but its a nice set. I would be remiss if i didn't offer to share it.
PM me if you'd like a burned copy, or an electronic copy, or if its already on Youtube and hey 2002 called and your DVD player isn't under warranty anymore.
That guy that stole that plane....
.... apparently told air traffic control that he didn't need much help. "I've played video games." Lol. Real life GTA.
So. About that Phish second set last night in Raleigh....
....Meatstick, Drowned -> NICU, Thread, Runaway Jim -> Run Like An Antelope -> Runaway Jim -> Run Like An Antelope -> Makisupa Policeman -> Run Like An Antelope -> You Enjoy Myself. E. Day In The Life.That was some 90's shit going on. And I enjoyed every second of it.
Yo Mama's so fat....
....when she goes camping, the bears hide their food from her.
Thank you!
I can't remember who it was and I never comb backward through threads, but someone here brought up the fact that there were new "30 Trips" sets available on amazon for $700.
For whatever reason, I passed on the original box and it's eaten me up ever since.
I got one of these for $700. It arrived earlier than promised, with all 30 shows and 80 discs unopened and wrapped in the original shrink wrap. The rest of the stuff is not there - no big box, book, the rest of the schwag. Just all the cds, all the music that matters.
I feel very fortunate to have jumped on this. They appear to be gone, and ebay prices are back up above $2,000 to $3,000.
So, thanks for the trip, er, tip!
\m/
Phish
Vguy-my family was on a really long car trip today and caught most of that set on the new Phish Sirius channel...tuned in to catch NICU through the end of the show. Definitely a 90s vibe happening -i caught the band several times in the mid-late 90s and was always a good time. However...I haven't seen them since! Just sort of got tired of them I guess. Happy for the Sirius channel though-great driving music. May even put me in the mood to see them again one day...
star lake 98
PHISH, TUESDAY 08/11/1998STAR LAKE AMPHITHEATRE
Burgettstown, PA
SET 1: Trench Town Rock[1] > Julius, Wolfman's Brother -> Time Loves a Hero, Bittersweet Motel, Reba, The Sloth, Ginseng Sullivan, Fee > Maze, Sample in a Jar
SET 2: Runaway Jim, Meat > Limb By Limb, When the Circus Comes > Down with Disease
ENCORE: Wilson > Golgi Apparatus
[1] Phish debut.
This show marked the Phish debut of Trench Town Rock and the return of Time Loves a Hero (first since November 5, 1988, or 1,021 shows). Runaway Jim included a tease of Maria from West Side Story. Trey teased Dave's Energy Guide in Limb By Limb. This show is also available on DVD from Phish Dry Goods.
Phish crowds now as compared to the 90's....
....fans definitely seem more "entitled" now. If you try and get close to the stage, be ready for elbows. Sad, but a fact. As Prince one said, "Sign O The Times". It was Simpler back then. Reminds me of another band I enjoy.
AUD is never the issue, but this..
I've been on record that I love a good audience recording and have no problem at all with a well-executed audience patch in an official release. There have been many over the years, and most have given no real cause for complaint, to my ears. While a complete board recording is ideal, I generally appreciate the little reminder of the reality of venue acoustics and atmosphere.
That's one thing.
But what has happened here is something completely different. I'm only surprised to see that in the hundreds of comments it seems only one person, toe2323, has mentioned it?? There is just no excuse for eliding an entire line from the lyrics. This was a dropped ball plain and simple. Wasted release.
80s fan or not, I think everyone deserved better.
No excuse for missing a line?....
....whoa. I noticed it, but it flew away. I bet the boyz didn't miss a line this night. (that's an original joke by yours truly).
Marketing
Anyone who ever saw the band live knows that on an average night, they were far better than anything else out there. On a good night, the boys were otherworldly. On a bad night, they simply blew. Sorry "every show was awesome" crowd. Just reality.
But what did you do after a bad show? You went to the next one in the hope of catching that magic. No difference here.
You subscribe with the expectation of an awesome show every time. Nope. Dave gave you just what the band delivered on occasion. An off night.
But, guess what? Just about everyone here will subscribe in November.
Brilliant marketing, Dave. Simply brilliant.
Thank God.....
....they were on more than off. Looked long and hard for this.
https://youtu.be/kpPIvLXV5e0
Pretty much just Page though. Still....
A forgotten gem.
....thunderstorms are rolling through the valley. Temp dropped ten degrees. Bonus!
do yourself a favor
listen to 10/17/82 "blind", without a look at the set list.
it is a special show.
it's not E72, yeah yeah, but it is a hot one.
like Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid at the end of the movie...
I will burst out of the doors screaming and shooting that
9/2/83 is a perfectly fine show. y'all haters are waaaaaaay too picky.
just had to say.
kittens for everyone!
Phish dicks
I'm making a Phish comment on this board. I have not had my meds yet today, forgive me. I enjoy Phish, and have seen them live when they are in Atlantic City or near by. Last AC run at boardwalk hall years back I scored some GA tickets. I was one of the first 100 in the building. The first 50 rushed the merch stand for posters (I get it now). The other 49 bolted for the front rail at the stage. Me? I just casually walked to the about a quarter of the distance in front of the sound board from the stage, dead center. I'm hear for the sound. I know where the mouth of the beast is! You can keep your elbows!
Cheers!
DP36 - the dicks of phish
Why did the first 50 rush to the "merch" stand?
Interesting
I don't think 27 is bad, just not one of the great era shows. It's what makes this band interesting to me, I enjoy listening to how they played and sang on an "off" night. It puts all the great ones in perspective.
As far as Phish, my phriends tried. I just don't get it. The singing and lyrics I find to just be dopey, cornball shit like something from a comic book. As a serious person I prefer the profound words of Robert Hunter.
That's ok. One less person to stand in line ahead of you. As far as Dave, he should put out two more "off" nights in a row from the Dead. It may make it easier to make early online purchases in the future.
Misc. rantings of a lunatic
BUENOS DIAS ROCKEROS!!
- Dosed @ the DMV, talk about getting “the fear”.....
- The electric fence joke; Vguy, somehow he just keeps getting better and better folks! Look for this guy on Carson!
- STOLTZY; 9/21&10/17/82 look interesting, thanks for the tip. We were at 9/24/82, have never heard it, but thought it was a decent show for the time, of course I was still relatively wet behind the ears, and we rented a luxury bus full of like 50 freaks for the then three hour ride, complete with kegs.....Cue the thunder “a three hour tour”....
- 7/4/86; see my post about this on NW box thread....
- 30 Trips; fffffffffffuuuuuuhccccccckkkkkkkk, I missed it again! Sorta like first time, bad timing of fundage, found out too late etc partially because I have picked up 3 DPs, 3 Daps, and 2 RTs, with more coming soon, and mama talking to Santa on my behalf for some others (finally starting to do some catching up) And with the Mighty box looming.......!!!!
- DP36; used to use the same MO @ Dead shows; go for best sound, with good views, equals somewhere in the center, usually just behind the “asshole”zone and a bit in from the board. Would go up front all the time when we started out, but as GA went away, and the crowds aaaaa, started to “change” it wasn’t worth it....
- Dave’s 13 and 16; holy guacamole bat man; finally picked these up, felt a little greasy paying so much, but now that their ripped and roaring, and hey, nothing like a cool DS shower to cleanse body and soul! Yeah, checked out 13 last night, fuck I really need to listen to more early 73! As if I wasn’t tweaked enough already for this new Box!!
16 will be spinning today, another big ole meaty DS, yummmm
Now if I could find 9’ 6, and 19.....hee-hee, like that Bare Naked Ladies song “never enough” were they the 80s? I guess more like 90s....
- 80s music; gawd I hated that shit back then. But it’s funny how some stuff grows on you, or perhaps you open up more with age? Like I really dig the Cure now, how can you not crank “ it’s friday and I’m in love again” on a Friday afternoon!
Ok folks, that is all, uncle Pedro singing off!
Peace (thuuudd, ah, that’s the mic dropping....) ; )
a tale of the times.
if you were lucky enough to see the Grateful Dead and didn't have a bad trip while there, chances are you had an entertaining to life changing event. this became formulaic in the late 70s when Drum>Space got locked into a feature of the 2nd set. as tours went on songs became 1st or 2nd set tunes and eventually became limited to slots within their respective sets, with very little deviance until the end. to see the song you wanted meant going to many shows in a row to get it, Morning Dew had a 10 show rotation, Way to Go Home had a 2 show rotation, Bobby tunes had a 4 to 5 day rotation.this made the shows almost ritualistic for those that got it and to some people dancing at a Dead show was the ultimate experience in life. the shows became events and the best party in town where ever they were and worth traveling for. it might take over a thousand miles of touring to get that Dew you wanted.
by the time Keith was all used up, Bobby had a keyboardist from his solo band he thought might be a good fit, Jerry saw some Bobby shows, Keith & Donna retired and the rehearsals with Brent started in spring 1979. the fact that Clive Davis the head of Arista records also was lobbying for Brent as a good fit might have helped also. by summer 1979 they were locked into the format, had new tunes, and a keyboard/vocalist that wasn't just part of the rhythm section, but an organist that had an electronic keyboard sound that was going to be big in the 1980s. the band had reinvented itself and was ready to get that hit album that Clive knew was in them. Go To Heaven was not that album. yes Clive Davis was a deadhead before he was their boss and gave them the room they needed.
Betty and Brent became involved together and when that went south around the time of Brent's failed solo album, Betty became an Ex and the era of Betty boards was over. from here on it was Healy's PA SBDs that became the reference copies and had the PA mix with Drums, Keyboards and Vocals out front, not to mention Healy's additional effects, and the amplified instruments lower in the mix so they wouldn't feed back.
after the return of the acoustic sets and the Dead Set & Reckoning came out they started the 5 years it took to get the material for a new album and the new tunes came at a slower rate. instead the band kept up the tour schedule, the bad habits and added cover tunes to keep the new fans they were getting coming back for more. there was nothing like a Grateful Dead concert and word got out.
by this time some amazing AUD tapes were being recorded on customized tape decks with shot gun mics on poles to get them above the crowd. these capture how it sounded in the hall and were more realistic than the SBDs from the PA.
as the tours went on it was obvious Jerry wasn't doing well, but he was trying, and the tours continued until he physically couldn't anymore. the worse Jerry's voice got, the louder the crowd singing along got, so gaffs and croaks were less noticed as everyone else was singing the right lyrics. his guitar playing though developed a shreddy quality and the Tiger years has such a sweet sound.
what it did lead to was the entire hall getting into the same breathing pattern singing along with Jerry, while doing the happy acid dance and knowing at that moment they were in the best place on earth at that time.
this experience worked pretty consistently right up to the end, even though we knew by then it was more about the formulaic ritual experience than it was about the quality of the music being played.
to say this music is unworthy of release is wrong. the whole idea of Dave's Picks is to take whats left from the vault and put out the whole shows in the best quality possible and people that subscribe should understand this. it's not about having to own every release just so you don't have a gap in your display because you only like a certain period of the bands 30 year history.
if you don't like it give it away to someone that wants it that got shut out. sell it for a profit on ebay, burn it like the devil music you think it is, banish it from your life.
this is what the future box sets will most likely be filled with, the returned Betty's using the Plangent process, because the only box from the returned tapes not Plangent processed is the July 78 box that still sits in limbo as the last of the Music Today boxes and failed digital rollout. at this point the July 78 box looks like it was rushed and victim to being a test if they had to Plangent the tapes or in house digitization would do, clearly it is required and worth the added expense and time. july 78 is a great box and concept that should have sold out by now.
is it as good as the Plangent processed boxes like the 2 from spring 77 or Sunshine Daydream? no, not close, but is it on par with Dave's Picks quality? yes it is and it's like getting a whole years subscription of 1978 Betty's in a deluxe package.
if this new box sounds as good as Dave says, "like a whole new tape" because of the Plangent processing, Dave's future picks will have to start on the Brent years to ensure box set potential into the 3rd 10 year licensing deal.
maybe Rhino needs to have something like this before you hit the subscription order to remind you that not everything is a Betty and they have been milking that 71-78 reel to reel time period pretty hard for the past 20 years.
there's 23 years of cassettes and DATs that fit the mission statement of whole shows that can be remastered from the 2 tracks that might be released as part of the subscription.
Caveat Emptor: This compact disc has been digitally remastered directly from the original metal cassette. It is a snapshot of history, not a modern professional recording, and may therefore exhibit some technical anomalies and the unavoidable effects of the ravages of time
phishy: posters...posters? yes
Dennis. The rush to the merch stand was for the concert poster. Some of the runs' posters (which are limited in number e.g. 800) are thus very collectable. The ones done by artist Pollock catch quite a sum and are sought after. The halloween run at AC of 2013 poster set is a sweet (not by him), and combine to make one larger image; which is typical. The phish poster folk all brought a sling so that they could shoulder the poster in its tube through the show. Shmucks like me paid more than twice as much on third market for the set...and a heap more to frame.
RE Kguy
Nice post, agree with most.
Couple of comments though......sometimes a bad trip could end up being a entertaining and/or life changing event too....; ) like the first time doing the electric tango at a show, front row on 4/12/83, thought for a while I had died, but it was ok.......cause behind the bright white light at the end of the tunnel (Candace’s new Morpheus vari-lights, coming from behind the band on full on bright white LOL).....the Galdang GD was playing, so it was all good hee-hee. I believe this was during Dupree’s with that crazy organ grinder bounce going on, like some wierd F&L psychedelic carnival vision....
Things started @ 2 Hour peak during Cassidy, with it’s all over now, sorta freaking me out, you know “it’s all over now!” Oops, and of course Loser was a bit frightening under the circumstances, at some point I Sorta had to slump on the rail and ride it out. As I say, I felt I had some wierd death trip, and could not see for a few, then slowly that slinky carnival music caught my attention, and my vision stated to some what normalize, as I came out of it, and had the whole “light at the end of the tunnel” vision, ending up with a with a huge grin and a totally mind blowing affirmation of life during Let it Grow, coming back around full strength with “I Am, I AM, Iiiiiiiii aaaammmmmmmm!!! Pheewww, gives me chills still!
Distinctly remeber having “I think I have been here before”, and “meet me some morning in the sweet by and by”” lyrics going through my head and of course “ remember, it’s only a drug” mantra.........
Life changing indeed. I now realized it’s ok to die.....
Don’t forget in the “tape” evolution when Healy was broadcasting shows over his own FM transmitter for short range distribution around the venue in an attempt to feed fans without taper tickets a way to record as well as a way for folks who were shut out to perhaps dig the show without showing up on site and overwhelming the venue/natives etc (long story, missed the great dance party in one of the hotel parking lots on 3/26/88,the only show I was ever shut out. Heard it was almost as good as getting in?)
I’ve had some good tapes that were recorded like this.....
I know it’s not the general consensus here, but like you’ve said there is nothing like a really well done AUD recording imho. Personally, I still think a properly done matrix recording is best. I’ve really noticed this from DVD transfers I’ve made. I go coax digital straight to the Masterlink 9600, thereby skipping two steps of conversion. So recording at higher resolution, but then of course down ressing to red book.
Yes SBDs are great, but they often do not sound like what the band actually sounded like live in the venue.
As you all know, great SBD/Betty board etc can be an awesome recording to listen to, but they do not sound like what the band actually sounded like in the venue.....for good or for ill. It’s physics folks so don’t even try to argue about this.....you can certainly argue that YOU prefer the SBDs, but they don’t sound like it did live!
Sacramento
It's 8/12/72 anniversary day. Got a note for you. You know the wicked opening salvo Jerry plays on the 11/17/72 Me & My Uncle? He gets the same effect with Black Peter. This show has any number of hitches in the gitalong, but overall it sets the tone for that show 15 days later.
DP36 - Posters
That was the only thing that cross my mind. Poster collecting can be a neat thing, but lord knows I don't need more shit. Will have to look for some pictures of these combined images.
Poster/Print collecting....
....I still have like 4 or 5 to frame. People will pay big $$$ for some. I have a Phish poster from the '98 Vegas Halloween show that was going for over $800 the last time I saw one for sale around four years ago. The Dead & Co Vegas show print from last year is going for around $250. Crazy. Widespread Panic had some awesome ones from Vegas a couple of years ago. I totally forget to stop at the merch station then. Got a little too high in the parking lot prior. This is your brain on drugs.....edit. Depending on where you live, it's hatch chili season. Yummmm.
To those who think Boise is "unworthy"....
I present this.....https://imgur.com/5JrDrkC
My wife yelled at me....
....for apparently treating her like a child. So I gave her a sticker for standing up for herself.
Paddy Melt
I just had a paddy melt at a Red Sox/Patriots bar called, "The Elm," on Colfax Ave. in Denver. Colfax itself is worthy of a thesis.
It went like this: I subbed out the onions for bacon, and the paddy was hand-formed and a true medium with a thin band of red in the middle. Marbled rye, swiss, and thousand island made this a delight along with a healthy, salted helping of freshly-cut pub chips.
All washed down with Tito's and soda.
Front row on 4/12/83 might be when you did die, Oro. Who knows if this is real or all a dream.
Kayak nice stream of consciousness. You people are so much more entertaining, sincere and informative than the nightly news. I'll bet this room could solve most of the world's problems. But, no, wait... that was already done in the 1960s and nothing changed it's only gotten worse.
Forget I mentioned it.
I'm currently digesting that paddy by way of Cape Cod Coliseum, South Yarmouth, MA. October 27, 1979 on what was my then-eleventh birthday. Too bad I missed it. I've listened to at least one song and in good years, several from every 30 trips disc I've burned into iTunes over the last two days. This show is nothing remarkable, just Good 'Ol Grateful Dead. Which I suppose is remarkable in and of itself.
I don't have enough wall space for all the posters and wall art that lies unframed in roll-up tubes as it is. I suppose I could add more. The Fillmore has an amazing collection of framed trippy posters of all the bands that have played there. Love that shit.
Bear's Sonic Journals
Should you be on the fence about the ABB, Fillmore East, February 1970 update, every pain has been taken to present it with the utmost quality. Jeffrey Norman, along with Plangent Processes, have made this an awesome release. Great liners and art work, too. Anything to add Hendrixfreak?
dave's 27 isn't all that bad.
dave's 27 isn't all that bad. If you want something bad: 10/30/83. weir is virtually non existent jerry will keep coming in and out. will not listen to this one again not worth the time. I cant even comment on playing cuz of it. I don't really feel like the playing is mediocre but due to the problems that plague this tape through out I can't ascertain that. Phish 2/13/87 would probly be more worthwhile than this one. I played it thinking hey maybe the mix would get better but then it got to the end of set I with Might As Well I was already in too deep and may as well be finished. it turned out to be a big lemon.
Led
I would rather talk food than this release anyday.
Just visited Leunig's Bistro. And old staple located in Burlington. Grabbed a plate of duck confit french fries and gravy with the wife, while the kids relished the truffle fries. Twice fried potatoes, silky gravy and fall apart mallard. Accompanied by a preserved lemon, basil and vodka lemonade. Right around the corner from Nectars, famous for their late night gravy fries and regularly hosting a band. Both highly overrated.
Adirondacks and Lake Champlain to the fore, Green mountains to the aft. Good living. An East cosat version of Pearl Street in Boulder.
Funny you mentioned the Cape Cod show. That was my first listen from TTATS. It got so much hype, I had to hear it. I found it kinda, meh, as well. I suspect the hype was nothing more than the band played Cape Cod. Not a bad show, just not outstanding.
Enjoy your journey through the box. But at the end of the day, I think you will find yourself reaching for E72 more often than not after the initial few listens.
Oh yeah. The Red Sox are rolling. Love it when yankee fan gets apoplectic.
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