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    "The Grateful Dead picked up their instruments and hit the first note with perfection. They never missed a note for the next three and one-half hours. People followed the flow of the tunes. Down on the floor in front of the stage was a sea of heads keeping time with the music. No one sat still. No one, except the youngsters behind us sat still. They were still and stunned." - The Power County Press

    And what a stunner it was, that show at the Boise State University Pavilion in Boise, ID on September 2, 1983. Dave's Picks Volume 27 contains every stitch of music from this mid-80s show (our first in this series), one that's as good as any other in Grateful Dead history. When the Dead were on, they were ON! Straight out the gate with a definitive take on the old standard "Wang Dang Doodle," the band swiftly switches back to a setlist of yore, firing off 70s staples like "Jack Straw" and "Brown-Eyed Women" and wrapping things up with a terrific trio of "Big Railroad Blues"/"Looks Like Rain"/"Deal" (don't you let that epic guitar solo go down without you). Primed for the second set, they tackle the complexities of "Help>Slipknot!>Franklin's" with heart and ease. It's clear there will be no stopping their flow - Bobby and Brent hanging in for a fantastic pre-Drums "Jam" and Jerry and Bobby in the zone on a not-to-be-missed melodic "Space." Not a skipper in the whole lot!

    Dave's Picks Volume 27 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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    If you tried to give rock and roll another name, you might call it 'Chuck Berry'- John Lennon
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    "The blues started with field workers on farms who got it from gospel and African roots." Field workers on farms? That's got to be satire, because you've got to be kidding. The blues developed out of field chants -- yes, of African origins -- by slaves on plantations who were systemically murdered, lynched, starved and beaten by armed guards and who were bought and sold as sub-human property. And that went on from the 1600s well into the 1950s, perhaps later. Fixed it for ya.
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    Think I’d call the blues more like the Gleam in RR daddy’s eye, the weight in his preverbal sack if you will... than the birth...but unquestionably a major genetic element...
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    Started with the blues. The blues started with field workers on farms who got it from gospel and African roots.
  • Oroborous
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    Kyle: “are you guys from 1969”
    Nope, 1962, buda da ba bop boom, heyyyyI do recall this thing called pong my cousins had? Probably turned me off of games for life; ) Hell, we didn’t get cable till the late 70s...color tv was out, but didn’t get that till early 70s... My mother RIP, still had rotary phones till the day she died (2016) LOL Computers? I suppose we learned about those from watching the Apollo missions with their real to real,looking behemoths that took up whole buildings....same processing power like in a phone now... When your living through it day to day you don’t necessarily get how much things have changed. Sorta like the quality of Dead recordings and how that has progressed. I don’t think there’s too many old timers out there, that started out desperately grabbing any shitty tape thay could because it wasn’t like they were growing on trees, that ever could have imagined the quality and access we have now..
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    The undisputed father/king? what ever of all that has followed, tech wise, was Les Paul. Fascinating man/story. Looping, multi-tracking, ping ponging, effects you name it. He most likely invented it.
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    Keithfan, though your essay was very good and spot on, I respectfully disagree with your overall premise.I think if we use the human life cycle for analogy, I’d say that the Beatles were not the birth, but more like late adolescence/early adulthood. The coming of age so to speak. They were learning who they were, about the world, and experimenting accordingly like only adolescent people do. Even the embracing of new technology usually is most prevalent amongst the younger generations (I’m generalizing here folks so spare us the one off examples....like just because George Burns lived to be 10?, doesn’t mean smokings not bad for you, science does not work that way) This is why most of the change and cultural shifts that occur, are usually driven by the exuberant, fresh, eager, teens to thirties folks, who are in the physical primes of their lives.....and the brain is of course a physical thing? So I propose, the real birth, the real father, the real King of RR is Mr Chuck Berry. (I know we can take this a step further, but here I would borrow KF’s embryonic example). Imho, Chuck was the guy who really built the platform that almost all other RR was built on, including the Beatles...Hell there are numerous references by the Beatles saying such....and Elvis...He was more like a little leaguer, while a Chuck was JV, and then the Beatles were Pro ballers.... Elvis did not write music, nor would many consider him a real musician. (Yes he could bang out some rhythms and hide behind the guitar like has been done by many “stars” including today’s Taylor Swift etc) He was basically a fine singer who aspired to, and was courted by Hollywood. No offense meant, his influence was immeasurable. But Chuck did it all, and he mostly did it himself, not through others like Elvis.. From the music, to being his own road manager, even driving himself to gigs, He even embraced new technology of the times too. I think Chuck is one of the most under the radar, yet influential persons of the 20th century..... Hey, if you don’t believe me, research what ALL the greats; Beatles, Dead, Stones you name it, they all acknowledge how much he influenced not only them personally, but RR overall. Which due to the cultural shifts and timing, influenced the whole world in a way many today cannot understand unless they were there. Just like we experienced what it was like when the Beatles did it.... So In other words, this is not really my theory at all. It is just me trying to pass along what I have read..... I’m just spitting out what all our hero’s have already stated.... As you have shone, there is no way to even begin to consider all at least popular music (saying all music might be a stretch...), that occurred during and after the Beatles, without acknowledging their influence. But I propose, that you cannt consider the Beatles, without considering how Chuck is in their DNA! Long live the King “Go Johnny Go! (Perhaps the perfect phrase to encompass all that youth, rebelliousness, RR are all about!) You go boy, indeed...
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    Jerry Lee Lewis isn’t rock n roll?
    Beatles were the birth of Pop. Rock n roll had already been born. But honestly, I don’t really care where the ‘official’ start is because I pretty much just listen to Grateful Dead.
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    keith and R&R birth
    Somethings are hard to pinpoint, but for recording techniques,,, check enoch light's page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Light Pioneer in stereo recordings, hell appears to have invented the gatefold album. Also to early 50's rock recordings developed "cheap" effects, I thought I read once about Sun records recording stuff in bathrooms for echo/reverb effect. Maybe someone singing in a concrete hallway. I always think there is a book to be written about pop music and car stereos. I think recording techniques are older than readily available playback. I don't think you could have had pink Floyd in a 3 watt mono 6 inch speaker in your 58 chevy. I think as car playback systems got better the music got more dense(?). Same can be said for movies maybe. Growing up Perry Mason, F troop sound just fine out of a 8 in mono speaker. Can you imagine watching some marvel movie in 19" mono black and white. I don't think I'd say The Beatles were the birth of rock, if the beatles were all that than they stood on the shoulders of giants. The line of music goes back. Hard to pick a start. I think our age determines our view. The first time you said "the music today....." or "the kids today....", your old!
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    The birth of Rock and Roll is a matter of perspective to some extent, I agree, but I maintain that the birth of rock, as we know it today, started with the Beatles, and so we witnessed it. Everything prior to that was embryonic (though no less important). R&B, Rocket 88, Rock Around the Clock, Elvis - all cornerstones of the bigger picture, without question, but when I say we witnessed the birth of Rock and Roll, I mean we witnessed the Beatles and all that came after. The Beatles' sound was a truly unique amalgamation of all of those elements you mentioned. None of those elements were singly responsible for contemporary Rock music, but the Beatles were. Further,it was more than The Beatles' sound that was responsible for their unique place in the Rock and Roll annals; it was their integration of new recording technology as well (by that I mean more and more channels to the multi-track, as well as wholly new instruments like the mellotron, as well as tape editing, arrangement, overdubs, etc). The artist push the technology and the technology pushed the artist; this was a symbiotic occurrence that found its way into many early era Rock production ensembles (look at how Pete Townshend introduced minimalist composition technique with organs fed into synthesizers to bring not only new sounds to the rock palette, but to actually create a new mode of rhythm for the genre (i.e. Baba O'Riley & Won't Get Fooled Again). I also mentioned the cultural aspect of rock and roll development. These were children who grew up in the aftermath of World War II. They went on to compose music that was heavily influenced buy current events like the Vietnam War and the Civil Rights Movement. They reflected these issues back to their audience with social commentary, and messages of hope or despair (Sympathy for the Devil, All You Need Is Love). And the liberation of the younger generation from what they felt was a very oppressive older generation. Free love, free sex, individual Independence for young people - this still resonates today. So, yes, I understand your point and I agree that those influences where it important, but in the larger picture it was all in utero development, with Elvis perhaps being the last trimester. And then the Beatles came and changed everything, not just music. We did not Witness the conception of rock and roll, just the birth. And this I maintain can never happen again, because it's already been done. The technology, the social climate, heck, all the guitar riffs. Peace.
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"The Grateful Dead picked up their instruments and hit the first note with perfection. They never missed a note for the next three and one-half hours. People followed the flow of the tunes. Down on the floor in front of the stage was a sea of heads keeping time with the music. No one sat still. No one, except the youngsters behind us sat still. They were still and stunned." - The Power County Press

And what a stunner it was, that show at the Boise State University Pavilion in Boise, ID on September 2, 1983. Dave's Picks Volume 27 contains every stitch of music from this mid-80s show (our first in this series), one that's as good as any other in Grateful Dead history. When the Dead were on, they were ON! Straight out the gate with a definitive take on the old standard "Wang Dang Doodle," the band swiftly switches back to a setlist of yore, firing off 70s staples like "Jack Straw" and "Brown-Eyed Women" and wrapping things up with a terrific trio of "Big Railroad Blues"/"Looks Like Rain"/"Deal" (don't you let that epic guitar solo go down without you). Primed for the second set, they tackle the complexities of "Help>Slipknot!>Franklin's" with heart and ease. It's clear there will be no stopping their flow - Bobby and Brent hanging in for a fantastic pre-Drums "Jam" and Jerry and Bobby in the zone on a not-to-be-missed melodic "Space." Not a skipper in the whole lot!

Dave's Picks Volume 27 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Of course, Live Dead D-Star is amazing, so so familiar, too, from back in the day. My favorite, though, has gotta be 8/24/72- just a couple shows before Veneta. First heard that D-Star->Dew on a dead hour so many years ago....amazing stuff. Interesting that Phil recalls that Boise show, huh? And you're right, not so much for the show as for the time period, etc. He's definitely amped for that one, as you can no doubt tell from his opening "announcement."
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2/27/69 (Live/Dead version) is etched in my soul due to the sheer number of times I've heard it in my life but it's still a little undeveloped for me to call it the best. 2/13/70 is the best Dark Star of all time. Rounding out my top 5 would be: 4/8/72 9/21/72 5/11/72 8/27/72 There are obviously several great 73-74 versions of this song (the one on Dave's Picks 9 in particular), but 72 was the peak for me when it comes to Dark Star.
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I can't imagine picking the best 68-74 DStar! 2/13/70, 5/11/72, 8/27/72? Yes! But all the others are great too! I do think DStar is THE song that epitomizes "The Grateful Dead". So, what about the 80s/90s DStars? There's: Oakland Auditorium 12/31/81 Greek Theater, Berkeley 7/13/84 (probably the weakest pre-92 DStar) Hampton 10/9/89 The big return. I dig it! Brendan Byrne 10/16/89 Miami 10/26/89 My personal fave of this period. Oakland 12/31/89 Nassau 3/29/90 Washington, D.C. 7/12/90 My second favorite. (8 with Brent, 5 released officially) NYC 9/20/90 Berlin 10/20/90 London 11/1/90 Denver 12/12/90 Denver 12/14/90 (part 2 of 12/12) Oakland 12/31/90 Greensboro 4/1/91 RFK, Washington, D.C. 6/14/91 Giants 6/17/91 Chicago 6/22/91 Denver 6/28/91 (really just a tease) Shoreline 8/16/91 Shoreline 8/17/91 (part 2 of 8/16) Richfield 9/6/91 (really just a tease) MSG, NYC 9/8/91 MSG, NYC 9/10/91 Boston Garden 9/24/91 Boston Garden 9/26/91 Oakland 10/31/91 Landover 3/9/92 Hamilton, Ontario 3/20/92 Richfield 6/8/92 Charlotte 6/18/92 Pittsburgh 6/22/92 Oakland 12/12/92 Oakland 12/16/92 Landover 3/17/93 Deer Creek 6/23/93 Philadelphia 9/13/93 MSG, NYC 9/22/93 Rosemont 3/16/94 Atlanta 3/30/94 (approx 27 with Vince, 4 released) The 92-94 DStars are all under 15 minutes (12/12/92 is 18 minutes, but in 2 parts). Even with the 80s/90s DStars, my favorites are really just ones that I am more familiar with or heard before my memory bank space for "fave DStar dates" filled up.
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Ditto
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...it's been a while...thought I would repost this one from a few years back, while on the subject of this majestic monster... 4/8/1972 - Wembly Empire Pool, London - 32 mins; intense/fast paced first leg up til about 10 mins then returns to DS theme for 1st verse; spacey post-verse til ~17 min, then pace picks up for a few minutes, followed by a brief meltdown; additional spaciness around 24 mins followed by another full meltdown; interesting groove established around 28 min that has hints of Sugar Mag (into which it segues, flawlessly). No second verse. 4/14/1972 - Tivoli Concert Hall, Copenhagen, DK - 29 mins; loose first 10 mins not overly spacey; gets spacey around 11 mins; interesting groove establishes around 16 min to head into first verse w/interesting beat; heads off into intense nearly 7-minute jam inclusive of a very tight and fast Feelin Groovy jam; final 3 minutes are a meltdown. No second verse. 4/17/1972 - Tivoli Concert Hall, Copenhagen, DK - 31 mins; spacey opening to about 7:30 when first DS theme emerges leading to 1st verse at 9:45. Spacey post-2nd verse tries to take off but melts further around 19 min; returns to a partial groove around 24:30 and closes out with spaceyness in the last 2 mins. No second verse. 4/24/1972 - Rheinhalle, Dusseldorf, Germany - Split by Me & My Uncle; 26 mins 1st half, 14:30 second half. Spacey opening until about 8:45 where it coalesces and falls into first DS theme around 10:15 followed shortly by 1st verse with slow, sparse notes. Spacey feedback following verse until 15:45 and then picks up into an intense, fast paced jam for just under 2 minutes before it becomes dissonant again leading to major meltdown which eventually heads into Me & My Uncle with ease. Second half: spacey reintroduction persists until about 7 mins, where Keith leads-in with some piano phrasing and then the band follows into a tight fast paced jam where Jerry plays some lines back and forth as if in conversation with himself and then maintains an intense level effortlessly segueing into Wharf Rat. No second verse. 4/29/1972 - Musikhalle, Hamburg, Denmark - 30 mins; spacey opening for ~5 mins, then enters a groove and Phil hints at the Feeling Groovy jam until it finally is joined by Jerry a minute later until about 8:00, then the floor drops out into space. DS theme appears at 14 min which leads to first verse. Spacey post-verse noodling leads to major meltdown, settling in at 22 mins with a fat, fast-paced Keith-led groove. Final 4 mins are spacey & lead to major melt #2, dropping into Sugar Mag as DS finally melts away. No second verse. 5/4/1972 - Olympia Theatre, Paris - Split by drums; 19 mins 1st half; 17:34 2nd half. Spacey opening til about 6 mins when fast paced jam kicks in until 11:20, slowing down then resurrecting the DS theme into the first verse. 4 mins of space leads into drums. Second half post-drums is very spacey until 7 mins, then kicks into overdrive with a very high energy jam leading to a phenominal Feelin Groovy Jam for several minutes before settling into the second verse. DS dissipates into the Sugar Mag from E'72. 5/7/1972 - Bickershaw Festival, Wigan, UK - 19:49 mins; decent, coherent jamming for the first several minutes that congeals nicely around 8 minutes. Bottom falls out around 10 mins and leads to some light noodling, cymbal fills and space. DS theme emerges at 14:23 and heads into 1st verse. Space fills the air through the remainder of the song until it totally breaks down into drums. No second verse. 5/11/1972 - Rotterdam Civic Hall, Netherlands - Split by drums; 13:45 mins 1st half; 30:34 mins 2nd half; Opens with a light, airy jam that persists to congeal into a decent groove as it treads in and out of spacey phrasing. This settles into a mysterious sounding jam that grows with intensity without a return to the DS theme before dissolving into drums. Emerging from drums, Phil and Billy duel for 2 minutes before Jerry joins back in with some complimentary thoughts; the DS theme appears around 5 min followed by 1st verse. A few moments of spacey feedback give way to spacey noodling that devolves into a full blow chaotic meltdown, only to emerge around 19:30 into a very nice, fast paced groove that hints at Caution and PITB jams. This eventually dissolves and a light, sparse outro ends the song as it heads off into Sugar Mag. No second verse. 5/18/1972 - Kongressaal, Muenchen, Denmark - 28:20 mins; almost 2 mins of noodling before opening notes from Phil; a loose jam ensues around the DS theme for the next several minutes and then decays. At ~9 min an interesting jam emerges, which eventually settles back into the DS theme and 1st verse around 14:30. The remainder of this DS is borderline chaos as it treads in and out of varying degrees of a meltdown until it settles into Morning Dew. No second verse. 5/23/1972 - The Strand Lyceum, London - 30 mins; Spacey opening minutes lead to tight fast paced jam commencing around 3:30 for two minutes and then it settles into another spacey jam digressing to almost…nothing. Billy and Phil then have a small duel until ~13:30 when the rest of the band fills back into a delicate groove which grows to into a jam reminiscent of the post-Truckin' foray from E'72 until about 17 mins, when they drop into the DS theme and 1st verse. Ensuing is additional delicate spaciness that transgresses into a frenzied meltdown madness, and eventually settles into Morning Dew. No second verse. 5/25/1972 - The Strand Lyceum, London - 34 mins, out of Wharf Rat. Strong opening with a groove almost from the beginning, no noodling around here in the first 7 minutes. Then turns very spacey until 15 mins when DS theme appears, and heads off into 1st verse. Post-verse finds a Billy, Phil, and Keith duel for several minutes. At 21 mins, Phil institutes a mellow Feeling Groovy jam, soon joined by the rest of the band until ~25 mins. Final minutes are dominated by space and then a monumental meltdown before heading off into Sugar Mag. No second verse. 4/14 and 5/4 do it for me... Hope all are Well in Deadland. Sixtus
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I like this list. Adding 10/31/71 and 2/18/71 (including the Wharf Rat and Beautiful Jam sandwich because you can't yank them out). That's one late era DS list, Seth. I question whether I have even listened to them all??? Sounds like a project.
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Daawwwwkkkk Staaar Jeeeerrrryy! So many DS’s, so little time, sigh...2/27/Live Dead has to rank on anyone’s list, no? Gotta love 4/8, hell all E72, especially that 5/11/72, and yaaasss, 8/27/72 even with pole guy! Personally I love the big spacey ones the best, but I never met one I didn’t love!! All y’all have turned me on to some nice, relatively, shorter ones also, like when you don’t have all day but you need a taste o the Star... Really like 10/19/73, hell that whole show just keeps getting better and better for me. SETH, great list. Made me realize I’ve seen besides 1/20/79; - 10/9/89 - 9/6/91 - 3/20/92 and - 6/22/92. Hey I know, not 72-74 quality, but better than a sharp stick in the eye, or a pesky troll up our arse ; ) KAYAK GUY, SIMONROB etc, thanks for the great Bonus list. Like others here I’m awaiting a Real Gone order, including V4 #3 and hoping it would have that 12/6/73... I believe I read here awhile back that these rereleased versions don’t have bonus discs, so won't hold my breath. Really jonesing for that 12/6/73 since those last ten shows of 73 are a bit grail like for me....when are we going to get the other FLA show/DS? JIM; 83. I don’t know, I’ve always really dug that 10/14/83 show, not so much the release. I know I’m extremely biased by being at the show etc. I used to think it was one of my top shows, or at least experiences at a show, (lights, sound, band, us, everyone seemed to be “on” that night) I like the Dicks well enough, but it, like 3/27/88 DL just doesn’t really transpose or come through to me. If I hadn’t been at the shows I wouldn’t know the difference. They just don’t seem to really represent to me anyway, how good these shows were.... I wonder if any one else has experienced this with any releases they attended?
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I've noticed considerable differences between shows I've attended, and the live recordings of them I've heard after the event. Not so much for the Dead, but for many bands. It might be fair to say that a live recording bears the same relationship to the show being recorded, as a photograph does to the object or person being photographed. Thinking about the few Dead shows I have seen and then heard - the recording of the one at Halloween in 1990 at Wembley actually sounded like a better show to me on tape than it did when I was there. When I was there, my mental state and position in the hall-to the far right looking down-on Bruce's side of the stage-interfered with my perception of what was going on. Bruce's piano sounded about 4 times as loud as everything else to me-but on the tape I later heard it seemed mixed in more appropriately.
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That's a great post-thanks. Also a helpful list of post 1989 Stars, form Seth.
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I’ve had that to, show memory is meh, than you hear a decent recording and your like wow.It’s funny how the experiential factors bias us so much, even so many years later..... The piano volume you mentioned was probably due to the hard stereo panning Healy used. I remember Bear always bitching about that and other unwanted side effects of going stereo versus mono point like the wall. But that’s a whole nother looong item that one can look up if interested....
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I like your spirit.. nothing wrong with standing up for what you like.. and you certainly have a valid reason. It could simply be that of the three, Boise was the last one I listened to. On a weird tangent.. not sure if there are any fans of the Freak Brothers out there.. but I just let my cat in from the sweltering heat wave we seem to be in the middle of. One of the revolving Freak Brothers jokes was if you mistreated Fat Freddie's Cat, he would poop in your shoes when you weren't looking. My cat, Bagheera, just tossed her cookies in my birks when I wasn't looking. I'm sure I did something to deserve this, perhaps dissing one show in favor of another? Karma. Certainly made me chuckle.
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Speaking of, check this version out by RW2C- vintage 99: https://www.jambase.com/article/robert-walters-20th-congress-covers-gra… Lovin’ it! Robert Walter: “This is an old recording from 1999 during pre-production for my album Money Shot. We used to play “Dark Star” at the early 20th Congress gigs. It was a good vehicle for long improvisations and actually reminded me of a lot of the jazz and funk records I was listening to. Cheme’s electric sax adds some Eddie Harris influence to it. I didn’t really know too much the Grateful Dead at the time, despite my parents putting them on quite a bit. Playing this song was a gateway for me to get into their vast and unique catalog. I included this to add a little perspective to what I’m doing now.”
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If your cat is seeking revenge, check your headphones before putting them on!
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I have just remembered a sequence in the Dead Movie where Jerry describes a similar feeling about live performance to the one I was trying to decsribe. I think he was talking about the 2/14/68 show, and he describes feeling really disappointed with the performance, and angry with Phil-even throwing him downstairs after the show-only to hear a tape of the show later, and recognise that it was "crackling with energy"-if memory serves me well.
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Daverock, perfect example! Jim, remeber what fat Freddie says, “getting drunk, theeen getting high is like pissing in the wind” Aaah, good ole Gilbert Shelton. Shakedown Street cover artist! Actually have some T-shirt’s by him that my buddy from Austin gave me. Something like “has everyone gone crazy except you and me” Have one copy of T,F.F.B. comix stashed away somewhere? Actually picked it up in a head shop in Virginia Beach during the Hampton run one year. You know, typical dumb ass northerner “it’ll be warm at the beach, it’s march!” Like it’s Fla or something lol idiots! Yeah the last story ended with some wild bonfire debauchery with everyone dancing in a circle round the fire signing “let’s all get drunk and naked, let’s all get drunk and naked, let’s all get drunk and nakeeeeed..... and lie in a great big pile”...which is reasonable ; )
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A bit belatedly, I've noticed that the Dark Star from 4/5/72 from Paris is available on vinyl. Its still possible, just about, to get a copy, so I am hovering. I wondered, if anyone has it, if it has much better-or different-sound to the one on the cd.
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Earlier I listed my top 5 dark stars, none of which appear past 1972 (though as mentioned, there are plenty of great ones in 73 and 74). I loved the late era list as well. However, I think the last "great" dark star came on 10/18/74. While there were really cool or fun or historically significant dark stars post hiatus (NYE 78, 84 encore, 89 breakout, and first one with Branford Marsalis), none of them really blow me away the way the pre-hiatus one do. As much as I love 80s-90s dead, those dark stars were always more cool than great if that makes sense. If anyone can recommend a version that might change my mind I'm all ears! Forgot to mention...loved that Europe 72 Dark Star breakdown! I'd love to see one for The Other One as well. As much as I love the dark stars from that tour, some of the versions of TOO are absolute all-timers...
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Yes, again.. ditto. How could we forget that one. I will toss in 11/8/69 for good measure, but it's the UJB, Eleven, Caution that sizzle in the Dark Star dominated suite (they come in and out of three times that night). We could probably go on with this well into the fall. There are still quite a few out there I have not even listened to yet.. Didn't somebody out there say So Many Dark Stars, So Little Time? So true. Dark Star - Played 231 times. The Other One - Played 587 times.
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if you have a 12 hour fight or insomnia this is a handy composite of 1972 Dark Stars. sort of like Greyfolded without the folds. https://archive.org/details/DarkStar_1972 Version 2: This is V2 of the original 10 hour 1972 Dark Star mix. It has the following benefits over the V1 mix: better mixing - I reviewed every cross fade and adjusted many correct order - a listener pointed out that the V1 had some out of order added missing Dark Stars - added 4 of the 5, one was very poor in quality and not included 10/23/1972. includes Verse 2 vocals 1hr 42min longer! Playlist: 3/23/1972 New York [includes Verse 1] 4/8/1972 London 4/14/1972 Copenhagen 4/17/1972 Copenhagen 4/24/1972 Dusseldorf 4/29/1972 Hamburg 5/4/1972 Paris 5/7/1972 Wigan 5/11/1972 Rotterdam 5/18/1972 Munich 5/23/1972 - London 5/25/1972 - London 7/18/1972 Jersey City 7/26/1972 Portland 8/21/1972 Berkeley 8/24/1972 Berkeley 8/27/1972 Veneta 9/10/1972 Hollywood 9/16/1972 - Boston 9/21/1972 Philadelphia 9/24/1972 - Waterbury 9/27/1972 Jersey City 10/18/1972 St. Louis not included 10/23/1972 10/26/1972 Cincinnati 10/28/1972 Cleveland 11/13/1972 Kansas City 11/19/1972 Houston 11/26/1972 San Antonio 12/11/1972 San Francisco 12/15/1972 Long Beach 7/26/1972 Portland [includes Verse 2]
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I'm ashamed to admit that I walked out of the 2-26-77 Swing Auditorium show in San Bernardino thinking "meh" as I drove back to LA...WTF was wrong with me...listening to improved boards through the years I feel like such a schmuck...I'd like to try and blame extenuating circumstances/distractions but it boils down to me being in a wrong state of mind that night I guess...Jerry should of have tossed me down some stairs....
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September 21, 1972. The Spectrum in Philly. It can be found on Dick's Picks 36. I consider it my fine China. I break it out ever so once in a while...whew! Man, does it just take me away. It has it all. Jazz, acid, blues. The first notes to me I'm being sucked though a terrific vacuum off to a place where everything is going to be strangely all right. And everything is all right. But there's a solid journey in which to partake where drabs of doubt break through. Flowing over sonic waves of fluid emotions permeating from some heavens I am gently guided back down safely one note at a time. Thanks to all have been posting their faves! Cheers all!
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I do have a favourite... but the date/venue escape me presently. It might take a minute or a month to sift through the archives, but I know how it goes and I can cue up parts of it in my head, like a jukebox. When I'm hiking in the woods, I'll play songs, silently, in my head. But is it silent, or just hearing by bypassing the ears? Many mornings I wake up with a song in my head. It's odd, but I like it. And if I don't - I change the song.
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The only CR&S->LLR I know. https://archive.org/details/gd1980-08-30.sbd.miller.110152.flac16 Set 1 Feel Like A Stranger, Peggy-O, Cassidy, Friend Of The Devil, Minglewood Blues, Cold Rain & Snow-> Looks Like Rain, Easy To Love You, Althea, Jack Straw Set 2 Scarlet Begonias-> Fire On The Mountain, CC Rider-> Ramble On Rose, Estimated Prophet-> Eyes Of The World-> Drums-> Not Fade Away-> Black Peter-> Sugar Magnolia, E: One More Saturday Night
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Hi All! I came across this just the other day: http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2017/06/dark-star-catalog-guest-post.html A while back I had a plan to try to time all of the Dark Stars. It was ambitious at best and not likely since I was going to do it on a stay-cation which ended up being cut short. I should have known that someone would have beaten me to the punch. So this link gives one of the best if only comprehensive Dark Star resources I have ever come across. It doesn’t give grades which I will agree with what some have said -that is an impossible task. Anyway this link can be used as a guide if anyone gets wild and decides to go down this path and try put a grade and/or rank on all of them.
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Thanks for posting that link. Fascinating looking at how often it was played, and how its length expanded and contracted. I couldn't pick a favourite version, but the ones I have enjoyed most this year have been the ones played in 1972. The peak years are definitely 1968-1974 for Dark Star, for me. As stated by 80sfan-the versions of "The Other One" were also phenomenal throughout 1972, too. Incredible that they played either one or the other, to such great effect, at almost all their shows throughout the year.
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Ditto on that awesome Dark Star list. That same blog is a 'Go-To' for all things GD-related....so wealthy in knowledge. Looking at the list, one thing caught my eye, early in the listing: it was somewhere between March and June of '68 that Dark Star really started to stretch out - during this brief time, it pretty much doubled in length; starting from roughly the 5-7 minute range (avg) to then up to 15 minutes and well over 10 mins subsequently. A trigger musta popped in there with an epiphany to say, hey, let's jam on this one how 'bout? The overall list is impressive. Those two mentions of '79 Dark Stars also pique my interest - I should listen even if just an aud source methinks. Happy Holiday weekend to USA folks - summer literally has gone by in a snap. Some major things changed on my end over these few short months - for the better - but still, wow it's been quick. Be well All. Sixtus
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Boise pulled me on quite the enjoyable 80's tangent. I'd probably still be on it except a few of my devices are more geared to 60's and 70's.. this morning the temperature finally broke and I took advantage by taking a long bike ride. My companion was Dave's Picks 19, 1/23/1970. I had forgotten what a fiery China Rider starts that show.. and we have a cryptical, TOO, Dark Star to start what I think is the second set. It had been a while since I listened to that one. Great sound.. maybe not the best 1970 show, but some of the previously released shows that year are giants among the giants. What a nice show. I can't wait to get to disc 3, overflow songs from the next night. 1970 Cumberland Blues anyone? With all these great shows I can't help but think of the a quote from the movie History of the World Part I, "It's good to be the king."
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....I cannot stress enough that you fine people check out that Dark Star from The Family Dog i posted lower down yesterday. Listened to it twice last night and blew my mind each time. Simply dripping in acid. Incredible....
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Looking forward to tipping libations in the rust of summer's evening within the fortnite, my friend. Summer Time, come and go, my oh my! Taking suggestions for a week of luxuriously unrushed stay-cation birthday PTO. Got a bottle of magic-jack and two bucks in my pocket. I'm ready!
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Took DaP 8 out for a spin this afternoon. I forgot how well-played that show was - 3 hours of blissfully loud fun on a beautiful Friday here in the Bay Area. This pick certainly bolsters the case for more matrix releases. Mai Tai time!!
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Yes Vguy72 this is an incredible beautiful performance of Dark Star, and, moreover, the power of the original concept St Stephen - William Tell - The 11. St Stephen particularly great with wailing feedback during the instrumental break. It all comes together during the 11 intro jam, incredible synergy. Potent! Also great by the way, Dave's 10 bonus disc LA 12/11/69
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Bolo is right, that pick is a real good one, but....what about the day before? What about Gainesville? Also, if you liked 8-30-69's dark star, check out 9-1-69's.. in Louisiana of all places, great stuff.
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....I friggin LOVE it. Just listened to it again. Is that a Beautiful Jam they launch into? I believe it is. Impeccable version. These guys never fail to cause my jaw to hit the floor.edit. Checking out the 9.1.69 show now. But what's even more amazing than these Dark Stars, is that they played in SF, then NO two days later. True touring troubadours....
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HI All! I am glad you liked that link to the Dark Star guide. Sixtus is right that the whole blog (called Grateful Dead Guide) is excellent. The creator of that blog has put in some serious time to gather facts about so many things. There are lengthy posts about anything and everything- missing tapes, song debuts, show reviews, etc... Whoever the author is of that blog, I am place them right there up in terms of Grateful Dead Jedi Mastery with the likes Dick, Dave, Mr. Miller, and Voodonola among many others. Wouldn’t it be great to find out that the author of that blog is regular here? I have that tendency like many of you to learn, research, and yes organize things about the Dead. So that blog and all of the content appeals to me for many reasons. I have just begun a little project that I am hoping that if good enough I can submit to that blog as a guest poster. We’ll see if I ever get around to finishing it though. Just in case anyone needs this a link to the blog here it is: http://deadessays.blogspot.com/?m=0
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....the Dead would be a college course I would take. I would probably end up with a solid B however, because they are a tough nut to crack.I'm apparently stuck in 1969. TC makes them a totally different band. See how it is? One could break down months, let alone years. Always evolving and morphing.
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I love this 1970 release too. Keithfan put together a new track order when it first came out and made it available to people who already bought it. Goes like this: Cold Rain & Snow Me & My Uncle I'm a King Be Mason's Children Cumberland Blues China Cat Sunflower I Know You Rider Black Peter Hard to Handle Mama Tried Dire Wolf Good Lovin' (mixed bothers versions) The Other One Dark Star St. Stephen Lovelight Feedback And We Bid You Goodnight Dancing in the Streets I like it because it puts all the short rockers together in the "first set" area. Also gets rid of yellow dog and the maddeningly cut short Casey Jones. Highly recommend.
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I remember that reordering job KF did. The best part is it cut out the teaser licks after each song that was out of order, so it flowed so smooth. LJ, you still have a copy? My phone with it died. I bought the orig.
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"This is all that is currently available from the soundboard" CM Grateful Dead - November 29, 1980 Alligator Alley Gym - Gainesville, FL Recording Info: SBD > Multi-Gen Cassette (Maxell XLII 90) Transfer Info: Cassette (Nakamichi CR-7A) > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.8 MHz) > KORG AudioGate 4 > Adobe Audition CC 2015 > Samplitude Pro X3 Suite > FLAC/24 (1 DVD FLAC) All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller September 12, 2017 Patch Info: (FOB) Beyer M160 > Cassette Master > FLAC (shnid=132457) supplies: Truckin' (4:18 - 6:04) (8:10 - end of track) Drums (0:00 - 0:02) Good Lovin' (0:08 - end of track) Encore Break (complete track) U.S. Blues (complete track) Notes: -- Thanks to Sean Kutzko for the tape -- This is all that is currently available from the soundboard -- Thanks to Jim Wise for the patch source -- Thanks to Joe B. Jones for his input on the pitch correction -- This is 139321 24 bit -> 16 bit Set 2: 01 - Shakedown Street > 02 - Franklin's Tower > 03 - Estimated Prophet > 04 - He's Gone > 05 - Truckin' > 06 - Drums > 07 - Space > 08 - The Other One > 09 - Stella Blue > 10 - Good Lovin' Encore: 11 - Encore Break 12 - Casey Jones Hope there is a complete sbd of this show in the vault. If not this will never be released. Jim Wise has been re-transferring a lot of audience tapes from 80 and 81 in 24bit so I hope there can be more matrix-mixes from this era in the future.
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9/1/66 GD move to 710 Ashbury house 9/1/75 "Blues for Allah" released 9/1/77 "What a Long Strange Trip It's Been" released
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Vguy, thanks for the heads up on this Dark Star. Great one, especially the final 5 minutes. Strange, no vocals on the Eleven - reminiscent of Feb 11 at the Fillmore East.
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