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    "The Grateful Dead picked up their instruments and hit the first note with perfection. They never missed a note for the next three and one-half hours. People followed the flow of the tunes. Down on the floor in front of the stage was a sea of heads keeping time with the music. No one sat still. No one, except the youngsters behind us sat still. They were still and stunned." - The Power County Press

    And what a stunner it was, that show at the Boise State University Pavilion in Boise, ID on September 2, 1983. Dave's Picks Volume 27 contains every stitch of music from this mid-80s show (our first in this series), one that's as good as any other in Grateful Dead history. When the Dead were on, they were ON! Straight out the gate with a definitive take on the old standard "Wang Dang Doodle," the band swiftly switches back to a setlist of yore, firing off 70s staples like "Jack Straw" and "Brown-Eyed Women" and wrapping things up with a terrific trio of "Big Railroad Blues"/"Looks Like Rain"/"Deal" (don't you let that epic guitar solo go down without you). Primed for the second set, they tackle the complexities of "Help>Slipknot!>Franklin's" with heart and ease. It's clear there will be no stopping their flow - Bobby and Brent hanging in for a fantastic pre-Drums "Jam" and Jerry and Bobby in the zone on a not-to-be-missed melodic "Space." Not a skipper in the whole lot!

    Dave's Picks Volume 27 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • Heywood Jablome
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    I think Dave must have picked the most horrid chalkboard scratching recording available from the 80's so he never has to release another pile of stinking dogshit like this. I don't know how anyone can say this is a good quality recording. If this is the best of the 80's I don't need to hear any more. Not only is the recording bad but Jerry sounds like he's been on a 3 day heroin run, him and bobby can't sync up at all and even the guitar playing is questionable. I've listened to this 3 full times and while every now and then there is something almost promising it soon goes back to the hellish sound. Even my 16 year old daughter who is subjected night and day to the Dead asked why this recording sounded so bad. Not just the recording is bad but the timing and execution. I too went to dozens of 80's shows and most were much better than this and even under the influence I could walk out of a show and know it wasn't that good. This is the Dead at its worst and should be called Warts and All. Please don't waste 25% of my subscription cost on another one of these turds. You guys that were clamoring for an 80"s show need to dig the wax out of your ears and stop justifying this because you were so desperate for the 80"s. I know there is way better stuff out there. For example Frost Amphitheater in 82, both nights were great and even the crappy bootlegs I have on the dc90 cassettes sound better than this.
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    The performance is uneven, as mentioned in many posts some tunes are raced through. But mid 80s shows were always more about being there than the quality of their playing. You went because the scene was still too much fun to miss. I can accept the performance because it is mid-80s. But the sound? Not sure how this show can be touted for its sound quality. The mix is poor, Brent's keyboard is in your face, Jerry sounds like he's playing in a back room a good 50 yards behind the stage and Bobby is some where between them, but still far back. Drums? From the recording I'm guessing Billy and Micky had the night off. Just a terrible recording. This will most likely be the first and last time I listen to this show. Dave if this is the best of what's left of the mid-80s then leave the rest where they are.
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    Now that I've had a few days to absorb this release with a few listens through, this is easily in my top 5 Dave's Picks. Sure, there are a few botched lyrics (was listening to 7/31/74 recently as well, and there were even botched lyrics and cues, even in this era...nothing new), but the playing is top notch. Wang Dang Doodle - became pretty standard in the '90's, but this version has a more psychedelic gleam to it. Well played. Jack Straw - energetic high octane performance. Jerry was clearly playing his ass off. Doesn't feel ruched to me. Seems just about perfect. They Love Each other - a nice tight version that well played. Mama Tried > Big River - these cowboy Bob tunes are as solid as any other versions played in any other era. They rarely botched these tunes, even in the later years. Brown-Eyed Women - definitive for this, or any era. It's like they step it up another notch in a show that's already off the charts for awesomeness. Minglewood - typically solid. Big Railroad Blues - if this version of this song doesn't do it for you, then you probably aren't a fan of the Dead in the '80's and beyond. Looks Like Rain - good solid reading. Inspired. Deal - if this version of Deal doesn't do it for you, you may want to reassess how loyal of a Deadhead you really are. This version is deninitive for any era. One of the best ever performed. Help > Slip > Franklin's - A few botched lyics aside, the performance is to notch. Slipknot hits spaces right up there with any versions performed at anytime in their career. Franklin's is also well played. Estimated > Eyes > Jam - pure awesomeness. Drums > Space - typical for the era. Throwing Stones - cool early version and nice to see how it evolved into the staple it became. The message still applies to current events, and probably even more-so. Our country, and the world on a whole is in a particularly shitty place now, and getting worse. We proably will leave this place an empty stone if we continue to allow the types odf debacles to unfold that has over the last year-and-a-half. GDTRFB - like deal earlier in the show, if this version doesn't do it for you, you may want to reassess your status as a Deadhead. It rocks. Jerry plays and sings extremely well. Black Peter - I think this version is the highlight of the entire show. A top 5, or perhaps top 3 version of all-time. Absolutely hits everything in every possible way, and beyond. jerry's voice brings an emotional level, as does his playing. I had to relisten 3 times in a row. Worth the price of the entire years subscription alone. Sugar Magnolia - solid rockin' version. It's All Over Now baby Blue - as good as any version from any era. In regards to sound/mix quality, to my ears, this sounds very upfront and kind of in-your-face. The bass is very punchy. All of the elements are there and clear within the first couple of minutes into the show. Where reel tapes tend to have a softer more rounded feel, this is raw, up front and indicative of a well mixed FOH. All in all, this one will probably get more play from me than most of this series, because I like this era a lot, and desire to hear mloits more of it. I like all era's and this one fills a void that needed to be filled. The last couple of years I've been more focused on listening on anniversary dates, or close to them. The next big release is the PNW '73 and '74 box. At almost $200, it's currently beyond my budget to place an order, and if it doesn't sell out anytime soon, I'll eventually and hopefully be able to get my own copy. It's nice that, for a change, we get a release from the 80's that isn't a part of a $200, or $250 or $750 box set, for a change.
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    You're right my mistake. I was overtaken by my despair over the sound quality. I have rarely commented on any release here. I always accept the quality of play for the Era I'm listening. You expect a different sound, dare I say even style, in each mini era. But for me the quality of this mix is just so poor. I believe it is possibly the poorest recording they've released. Even some of the very early 30 Trips recordings as weak as they were far surpass this thing. :(
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    Live shows and live recordings-Jeff, raykski
    I like the distinction you draw between seeing a live show, and listening to a live recording. I saw countless concerts in the 1970s and 1980s that were great nights out- for all sorts of reasons-the music being just one of them. Sitting at home, now, listening to a recording-its a world away really. I love listening to live recordings-but just because I had a great time at a particular live show is in no way an indicator that I would enjoy listening to a recording of that live show at home, now.
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    Hey Rayski:The keyboardist on this show is Brent, not Keith; the drummers are Billy & Mickey.
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    #10297 finally landed last night. There have been some pretty good links already, but If you need a higher-res, color-corrected version of Tim McDonagh's cover art, here are my scans:https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lz8295bje2dpsxf/AAA2cik9bkrnlJ8kxsNPA1iQa?dl… There’s a “Rectangular” version (just like the CD cover) plus a “Square” version for anybody so inclined You can also find my scans for all Dave’s Picks and Bonus covers at: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qx5j9ydoc7bzm8z/AAD8yK_vCv_kQ-oLkLJQVCEla?dl… Pass ‘em around, and keep the music playing.
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    I saw 20 shows in 1983 and for sure had a great time. But listening to this one again gives me pause. Jerry's voice is shot, they race through most of the songs (Jack Straw, Deal, Help on the Way) and the Help on the Way is cringeworthy. He can't remember the words, he can't play the leads, they cannot get it together. Hey, we have a whole decade of amazing stuff (68-78) so it's not like there's nowhere to turn. But I'm baffled that the masses are clamoring for more 80s stuff, or raving about this show, neither the sound quality nor the musicianship is notable. Back to '72 indeed!
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    We recently moved so things have been a little crazy lately. My wife laughed when literally the first piece of mail we received at our new place was Dap 27. However, I didn't get a chance to listen to it until today. Even before I put it on, I was in a mood for an 83 show. Sirius was playing a chunk of 10/21/83 when I was in the car earlier today so I was already in the right mindset. I have heard others say there are sound issues, but it sounds just fine to me. It sounds like an 80s show which is not an insult in any way. It's not flawless, but neither were the 80s, especially 83. It captures the era and overall I'm really happy with it. I obviously like 80's shows in general so I'm biased, but this is a really fun show. The boys are obviously into it and having a great time. I'm happy to have this one in my collection and I have a feeling I'll be spending the rest of the week going down the 83 rabbit hole. thanks Dave and co!
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    Your ears are fine this doesn't sound that good. After some equalizing mostly lowering the middle around 400hz to 600hz and around 2000khz and increasing a little on the ends it's not too bad. The only Dead I have official or not that doesn't need at least some equalizing is (you guessed it) Spring 90 The Other One.
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"The Grateful Dead picked up their instruments and hit the first note with perfection. They never missed a note for the next three and one-half hours. People followed the flow of the tunes. Down on the floor in front of the stage was a sea of heads keeping time with the music. No one sat still. No one, except the youngsters behind us sat still. They were still and stunned." - The Power County Press

And what a stunner it was, that show at the Boise State University Pavilion in Boise, ID on September 2, 1983. Dave's Picks Volume 27 contains every stitch of music from this mid-80s show (our first in this series), one that's as good as any other in Grateful Dead history. When the Dead were on, they were ON! Straight out the gate with a definitive take on the old standard "Wang Dang Doodle," the band swiftly switches back to a setlist of yore, firing off 70s staples like "Jack Straw" and "Brown-Eyed Women" and wrapping things up with a terrific trio of "Big Railroad Blues"/"Looks Like Rain"/"Deal" (don't you let that epic guitar solo go down without you). Primed for the second set, they tackle the complexities of "Help>Slipknot!>Franklin's" with heart and ease. It's clear there will be no stopping their flow - Bobby and Brent hanging in for a fantastic pre-Drums "Jam" and Jerry and Bobby in the zone on a not-to-be-missed melodic "Space." Not a skipper in the whole lot!

Dave's Picks Volume 27 has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman and it is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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No.. I meant Henry the VIII might not have been so ruthless, not that it would have been more tolerable. Still, curious when it arrived there. In the US, it seemed to come from immigrants, many Mexican in the early 20th century. It looks like England had it a bit earlier. I found this link to be useful. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xd7d8d/how-marijuana-came-the-united… Especially the following passage, "It [was] brought to the Americas by the Portuguese, who took it to Brazil, and again by the British, who took it to Jamaica. In both cases, it was used to pacify slaves." Interesting.. nobody seemed to notice in the US until the 1930's, hence the infamous propaganda piece Reefer Madness. One other add.. the hemp used to make rope will not get you high no matter how much you smoke. I don't think there is a correlation between the plantations that grew hemp with smoking for its cerebral effects. Smoking rope hemp won't do anything but give you a headache.
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Well lately I only seem to play music in my car and even more lately I've been listening to audio books...I plug my old 250 gb iPod classic in and away we go...this past weekend I did an overnight burn run from home to Phoenix to see Jeff Beck play...what a show (free ticket to boot)...anyways coming home I gave a ride back to one of the people responsible for the freebie and hit shuffle mode...it took 73 songs to get home and it showed that it had 14,565 left to play...
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7.21.72 ~ then Somewhere near Salinas , Lord I let her slip away 7.21.84 ~ Don't tell me this town ain't got no heart 7.22.84 ~ You Know our Love Will Not Fade Away 8.29.83 ~ Just gotta poke around 8.31.83 ~ Turn on your Light, you won't regret it 9.4.83 ~ Just might get some sleep tonight
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I was listening to to 30 days of dead 2013 this past weekend the alligator>caution and realized that was released in full in the 30 trips box 1967/11/10 shrine. Assuming those came from the same tapes, it is amazing what he was able to do to that recording.
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Its a hoot. I have vague memories of bits of it being show at a Hawkwind concert back in the mid 70s. I always liked public information films, warning kids about the dangers of drugs, especially when they were made by adults who knew nothing about them. "Alice in Acidland" is a corker. Its a sort of soft porn film made in 1968, which doesn't have any actual dialogue. Instead there is an occasional voice over by some guy purporting to be a psychiatrist, and some light jazz music. Its about this girl who is led astray by some "swingers". It starts off in black and white, but when the acid takes effect, it goes into colour, as all sorts on monsters loom out of the darkness. If memory serves me well, she ends up in an asylum, in a straightjacket. Bummer.
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Now when I am talking out loud to myself people just think I'm having a phone conversation. A very important phone conversation! It all goes back to your elementary school really. Right? Dang! California done legalized some stanky shit. This isn't your Father's parsley flakes! What's this got to do with the Dead? I'm going to go eat some Cherry Garcia.
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The vinyl sounds awesome
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Yeah, long time fav. Old buddy and tproomate turned me on in early 80s. Think I have vynle? Was able to pick up CD a few years ago. On regular play of playlist loop. Phil pre Genesis I believe...so yeah, good sheeet, need to get more...
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Just saw your post that you got the Dark Star spreadsheet, nice. Yeah, I should do timings as well. The one place it would get tricky is if there are multiple parts to it.
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Brand X was Phil Collins after Peter Gabriel had left Genesis. Phil joined Genesis in 1970.I’m not familiar with their records, but I recognize the cover of Moroccan Roll from my book of Hipgnoss artwork- same folks who designed the iconic Floyd albums of the 70s.
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They were an interesting project. Moroccan Roll came out in 1977. I'm pretty sure I bought most if not all of their albums. Captivated me for about half a year. It was mostly Phil's band so the drum tracks are tight. I sort of assimilate them to a b+ version of some of the Allen Holdsworth/Bill Bruford stuff that came out about that time (which says a lot). Many of the John McLaughlin projects from the 1970's had a similar feel. Great stuff.. but some sounds a bit out of context now, and you plug in Blues For Allah and it feels as if it could have been written yesterday. Edit: I guess the exception would be the song Blues for Allah. That's one of those.. you had to be there songs.
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....lost count after three. I then confused Brand X with King's X. It happens.
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From Bull Moose the other day came a box containing Sgt. Pepper's 2CD Anniversary Set from last year, the new Buffalo Springfield box with the first two albums in MONO(!), and the new "lost" Coltrane album (all on CD). The next day came Anthem (AMAZING live show!!) and some Corelli violin sonatas, and then today came Bootleg Vol. 6 of Miles with Trane, and Joni Mitchell's first album, which for some unknown reason I had never purchased, even though I have and love most of her stuff. Last Five: Dvorak: Symphony #1 (Kertesz) Anthem of the Sun Ali Farka Toure with Ry Cooder--Talking Timbuktu JGB--After Midnight (2/28/80) Dave's Picks Vol. 22 (12/6-7/71) This new young man at the coffee shop had a GD bear tattoo on his arm, so I started asking him about his interest in the Dead. I showed him the latest JGB CDs (I was in the drive-through, in my vehicle, which is always full of CDs), and he said that he didn't really know about Garcia's solo stuff. So I went home and burned him the 2/28/80 show on CDs. He seemed pleased when I walked in later that same day and gave the discs to him. After I got home I thought, "Does a guy in his early 20s even HAVE a CD player any longer?" p.s My first name is John, and I named one of my fantasy baseball teams "John's Coal Trains."
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Last five: Walter Becker--Circus Money Coltrain--A Love Supreme the Complete Masters GD--11-11-73 GD--4-8-72 David Crosby--If I Could Only Remember My Name
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Never heard of them, and I'm into Genesis a little bit, particularly the Gabriel era. Was surprised to hear Phil was involved, but then again the man was on everything in the 80s - (even played on "In The Mood" by Robert Plant - talk about a great song to spark up to).
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Dead & Co 7/7/2016 Dead & Co 7/7/2016 Dave's Picks 2012 bonus disc 7/29/74 VFTV IV 7/24 & 26/87 Dylan & The Dead Really digging some '87 Dead. Red Rocks '87 box please..... Speaking of Brand X, I caught them in Chicago at Progtoberfest at Reggies in Chicago recently. First time I had heard them and was impressed. Cool band. Excited for this '83 Dave's Pick. Interesting how in the video Dave mentioned the criteria for what he looks for to release, yet stated that he was short of calling them un-releasable from the '81 to '87 time frame. If it's from this era and Dave releases it, I'll gladly buy it. Keep 'em coming.
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Just got mine too! Idaho will soon be spinning on the east coast!
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I feel strongly that whenever listening to an audience recording, one should wear headphones. When you listen to a recording through speakers in a room, you are creating a listening environment and each system/room sounds different based on the size of the room, echo (or lack thereof if the room is carpeted and has heavy upholstered furniture). A studio recording is perfect for this. However, when listening to an audience recording, there already is a speaker>room dynamic in the recording. If you listen to an audience recording through speakers, you are effectively "adding a generation" to that recording. Your ears are hearing two listening environments simultaneously, and the added environment only muddies the dynamics. That's my theory anyway. I'm not a well-read audiophile, but this is something I have noticed - audience recordings sound better through headphones. Would love input from some who actually knows what they're talking about.
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I'm listening to 9-4-83 and it sounds great. Should bode well for the upcoming pick. The drums on this cassette master souns pretty good. Hopefully the sound is similar (and even better) on the Dave're release. Looking forward to a great show. It would have been nice to get a 'Hell in a Bucket' or a 'My Brother Esau' or an 'A Touch of Grey' or an 'Althea'. But if the playing and the recording are up to snuff i'll be happy.
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Yeah, I checked and my Deadbase 50 and it has some of the timings, but certainly not all. There are just a lot of Dark Stars from 68 to 79, which hey, is a good thing right? Now one of my previous projects was to create a list of shows that involved combinations of multiple releases. A great example is the 8/6/71 show you were discussing on Pacific Northwest box set page. Anyway I accomplished that task so I need another now. I think it be would fun and appreciated by those that comment here if I could pull off a complete Dark Star timings list. I figure this is a low-risk venture. I mean what is the worst that can happen? I get to listen to a lot of Dark Stars. Even if I don't complete the list I will still have one hell of ride. If you decide to take on this on this task as well, let me know. Combined efforts would be fun. Plus t wouldn't be bad to compare notes. Like I mentioned before I have a weeks vacation coming up and due to many factors it will be more of a stay-cation than any kind of adventure to parts unknown. Might be good to start this project off then. I can see using this time to escape the stress, against, and rigors of work and let a few Dark Stars take me elsewhere.
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Thin I love your approach to this subject. I am going to throw on the ole Bowers and Wilkins and test that theory. I think that is interesting about a loss in generation. Here is one for you. I am looking into a Digital Audio Processor for the car. This will do a lot of things like balance that .10 of a second that your left ear is hearing before your right ear is because your left ear is closer to the speaker than your right ear...that's if your driving and opposite if you are the passenger. I know my head wants to explode too. But I am looking forward to testing your theory out....any suggestions on a show to tryout out on??
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Speed of sound = 343 meters/second Sound travels 34.3 meters in 0.10 second If it takes sound 0.10 seconds to get to your ear from the passenger side speaker, you have a giant car ;)
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six-pack. ~GD 1971-04-08 Boston (thanks KF!) ~Brent & Bobby 1988-04-26 San Rafael (different sets)(thanks Matt) ~Tom Waits 1977-10-25 Agora Theater~Cleveland,Ohio (thanks Matt) ~Chris Cornell 2006-09-07 Stockholm,Sweden (thanks Matt) ~GD 1983-06-20 Jerryweather~Columbia,MD. (thanks again Jim!) ~GD 1980-05-11 Portland,Maine (thanks Matt) ...ok,last one.really.then I gotta go home. Diga Rhythm Band 1975-05-30 Golden Gate Park (again,thanks Matt!) :o)
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they dick around for a while...be patient. :o)
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That was alright! Most bands featuring electric guitars sound a bit like someone else. But Sonic Youth didn't.
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Yup - I think you've jumped the shark on sound theory with the whole "getting both ears in perfect 'center' with the speakers of your car" thing. But hey, some people think I'm nuts when I talk about sound stuff. My gut tells me if Owsley aka "Bear" heard you were doing that, he'd say "your ears automatically correct for that, and it's barely a timing issue given your head is only 1 1/2 feet off center, and sound travels.... fast". Take that money you were gonna blow on that and send it to me.... I have better uses for it. To say my headphones theory differently: "Audience recordings already are overloaded with natural reverb/echo - that's the inherent flaw in any audience recording - it's not close-mic'd. Instead the mic tends to be 30-100 feet away from the actual speakers. Playing the recording through speakers just adds even MORE room "echo" to the already over-reverb'ed recording."
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Charlie3 - Maybe it's more of a case of kevinbrandon having a really huge head separating his two ears (necessitating that giant car). Must make for a far out listening experience. I think this is covered somewhere in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. . .
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Hopefully taken as good clean fun, not piling on.. but I noticed a couple strange vehicles driving around town just yesterday blasting some smoking Grateful Dead. It was hard to get a good view, but I'm pretty sure it was Kevin in his jeep.
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The theory I was told and .10 was not the exact. Ok I should have checked my facts on the exact fraction of the second. Yes I thought it was a little silly myself when I was reading that. Actually my noggin is pretty small it's the damn nose. I do appreciate the ribbing it was something I saw on youtube. BTW love the jeep pic...Cheers For those looking to mix it up this afternoon take out the 1966 from TTATS and give In the Midnite Hour a twirl
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