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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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    First of all, what a great thing this vine is!!!!!!!! Everyone should take a step back, now take another step back the people up front are getting squashed. Any lossless vine should be from an original source (ie. original sbd tape or aud recording.) The original recording is a WAV file that is converted to a lossless compression format for the sole purpose of reducing storage space. A lossless compression format (ie flac/shn) reduces the size of a file by approximately 40 to 50 percent without losing any of the original file's information, that is why the format is called lossless. where as a lossy compression format (ie .mp3,.aac,.wma) reduces the file size by approximatley 60 to 90 percent (depending on the bit rate of the compressed file) but the information removed from the original file is lost forever that is why these formats are refered to as lossy. Lossy formats were created for the puropse of being able to have more music in a smaller package. That is why you can get a cd player for your home or car that will play .mp3's .wma's and the like. That is why you can fit several shows on one cd in .mp3 format. Also these lossy formats are the reason I have 32 days of Good Ol Grateful Dead on my Ipod. Apple uses their own lossy compression for the ipod and to be quite honest they sound great. I commute along way , and in my car is where most of my music listening happens. I have a very high end sound system in my car and my Ipod plugs directly into my head unit so I don't have to fumble with thousands of cd's. IMHO you would be hard pressed to sit in my car and hear a phil bomb at 120db and be able to tell if it was a compressed format or not. Lossless compression was developed by audiophiles and was intended to be used for reducing the storage space necessary for storing digital music on a computer while maintaining the integrity of the original file. If you will notice, there are no players aside from a plugin or two for a computer audio player that will play shn or flac files. This is because the formats were developed for archival purposes. I myself copy the flac or shn files to my external hard drive where they stay forever, decompress the files to WAV without deleting the flac or shn, I then import the WAV files into Itunes and compress them into aac file and put them on my Ipod. I then delete the WAV files because they are the largest files which take up the most space and everything is great in my world. I have the music on my Ipod to take with me everywhere I go and I have the lossless file archived on my hard drive. Some people decompress the lossless files and burn the resulting WAV files to cd's or convert them to mp3's to make mp3 cd's or put on a portable mp3 player, it is your choice how you consume the product once you recieve it. Whatever tickles your spot. If you really want to get down to the nitty gritty of the sound quality issue, we should come up with a way to vine on vinyl because the original analog recording on good vinyl with the right record player would put this digital stuff to shame, but it would be impossible to vine this way. I think we should all need to educate ourselves so that we can take advantae of the technology we have (alot of which is free I might add) right at our fingertips for it is this technology that makes this vine possible. I mean really ,all of us remember trading tapes right?? Try to find the ying for your yang!! This beats tape trading hands down and here we have people almost getting hostile over some technology misunderstandings. As for the copy of a copy of a copy of a cd we are dealing with digital format, and I can rip (copy) the WAV files off of a cd and then burn them to a cd again and agian and again with the same results. There are differences in computer software and hardware as well as differences in storage media (cd's dvd's) If you usae a program called Exact Audio Copy (EAC) which is free on the internet and a good burning software like Nero, and you have a good name brand burning drive with quality blank cd's, cd's can be copied with no loss of qualtiy. You are taking an exact copy of the digital information on the cd, and writing the exact same digital information to a new cd. As for the volume differences, most burning software has volume adjustment settings or something called normalize volume for all tracks or something of that nature that if you don't understand how to use this feature or don't know it's being used can have adverse affects on the sound quality of your copies. Again I'm not trying to be condescending in any manner, just informative, but a thorough understanding of the technology and all of the aspects surrounding it will solve the discussions I'm seing on this thread. It's all about education, which is free on the internat reguarding all of the programs (software) formats (flac,shn,.mp3 etc..) and computer hardware. I'm just an old hippy who misses the Grateful Dead and has been taking advantage of this technology for the better part of ten years now!! When I found out I could download high quality recordings of my favorite music, I couldn't learn fast enough!!!! I by no means know it all, but I do have quite a bit of experience with all of these formats and technology. I hope this is helpful in the grand scheme of life, because I know how it is to be jonesing for Jerry licks and god forbid they be sub par sound quality when you get them!!! If I can be of any help to anyone I'm more than willing to help! All that being said, I will say again that no vine listed as losless should be sourced from a lossy file, period! Don't sweat the small stuff, and by the way It's ALL small stuff!!!
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    Its not that big a deal you guys
    Small vines, large vines, wav, flac I like them all and they all have advantages and disadvantages. I'm trying to obtain as many shows as possible and with how long it takes to get vines I think it is nice to get one large one rather than waiting for 2 or 3 smaller ones - you can knock out the entire year of 1977 in what 4 vines?? That's awesome! In addition, along those same lines I prefer flac its just faster and easier all around (especially for large vines, they have to be in flac to even be manageable, plus it is cheaper, I can go on and on). But hey it is also cool opening up a vine with one special show in wav format. I like all the vines and vine formats, keep them coming! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
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    sure would like to hear MITD say something! :( I hope he is well... "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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    big vines v small vines
    If anyone knows how time-consuming and overwelming big vines could be, I do. If I had to do it all over again, maybe I would break them down even further or space them further out. Hindsight. The positives of big vines are less cost (4 DVDs at a time v 4 shipments of 1 DVD each), especially for our European-based brethren, and speedier acquisition of a whole hunk of music. But the sheer enormity can be overwelming and take away the gleeful feeling we should get upon receiving a vine. While big vines are more efficient, perhaps they are like Wal Mart, giving us what we want but leaving us with an empty feeling. As for the whole source controversy, I think we all agree that the seeder should provide all the information he or she has (WAV, Lossless) and avoid MP3. Just like with the official releases and life in general, variety is a good thing. We can pick and choose what we want. Just because I generally eschew officially released compilations (I prepurchased the new Pure Jerry though) and am now firmly planted on the lossless side here, doesn't mean that Rhino or my fellow viners should solely cater to my taste. This is the best community on the net as far as I am concerned and I am proud to be a part of it. In the end, the love we make...
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    I dont have a Mac, but
    There are some resources available: http://flac.sourceforge.net/download.html I have a lot of trouble with my wifes Ipod. I have my home stereo conected to my computer ; )
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    What would MITD say????? Let's just be. "And I love the life I live And I'm gonna live the life I love"
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    another topic, sort of . . .
    are there any other viners here who use a mac? if so, what program(s) have you found to convert .shn or .flac into burnable .wav files for importing into itunes?
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    i was wrong to cast aspersions - and be negative - it's all a positive thing here, no matter how big or small or what format - i honestly don't know what got into me - sorry.
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    I certainly missed Erickat. Maybe I am old-fashioned, but I convert whatever music I get in the vineyard to Wav for cds for my car, and I also convert it for use on my ipod. I do back up everything that comes to me in flac form on my external hard drive, but I almost never listen through my computer. So I guess I appreciate both formats. What I do not appreciate is people telling other people what or how they should vine. If someone prefers wav cds, cool for them. They do not need to be told to enter this century. If I want to convert a flac vine to wav bc I was asked to do so by people, that is my perogative. If that makes me old-fashioned, so be it. I think we all know that a very wise man said once a note leaves his guitar it is no longer his and people are free to do whatever they like with the music. The same should be true with vines. Once it is out there it is not really proprietary to the viner, it belongs to the vineyard. As to the mega-vines, I believe Dstache's efforts were heroic and I was happy to contribute to the 77 vine. However, my personal preference is for smaller, theme-based vines that surprise me with their creativity and the occassional show that I have been pining for. On the other hand, there are others who prefer to get it all at once. Indeed, a wise lady has said that there is room in the vineyard for all types of vines. So, in conclusion Erickat, you are greatly appreciated. Derek, you are greatly appreciated. In fact, everybody that contributes to and participates in the Vineyard is greatly appreciated. Lets not lose sight of how amazing it is that we can hear our favorite music long after it was created. Peace to everybody! "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." Albert Einstein
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    The 68 lossless vine has been posted, as has the final part of the 1973 lossless vine (which I forgot about in my last post). That leaves only the remainder of the 1977 lossless vine outstanding from me. I will probably wait a week or two before working on this as I need a little break and have some other commitments. Oh Yeah and/or other MAC users, get back to me about changing my burning speed or whatever the problem is and I will change it before burning the final parts to the 1977 vine.
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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Charlie Miller is the man for sure. Motivates me to try taping.. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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too, would like to say thanks, Badger - I'm not sure whether the reference to the first thing he does with his tapes he's going to remaster is make sure the pitch is correct or not is a dig ... " Where does the time go? "
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too, would like to say thanks, Badger - I'm not sure whether the reference to the first thing he does with his tapes he's going to remaster is make sure the pitch is correct or not is a dig ... " Where does the time go? "
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too, would like to say thanks, Badger - I'm not sure whether the reference to the first thing he does with his tapes he's going to remaster is make sure the pitch is correct or not is a dig ... " Where does the time go? "
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Deadicated, I interpreted it as a clear dig. I have to admit though, to my unsophisticated ears, there is no difference! "That path is for, your steps alone."
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Did you know that some of the music we've been listening to for a loooong time and love dearly is in need of pitch correction? "Layla", "Europe '72" and "Kind of Blue". (Actually, "Kind of Blue" was pitch corrected in the early '90's. They had to use a back-up machine to record the first few numbers and it was running hot so they finally fixed them). But wouldn't it be cool if Sr. Miller were to work for the Dead in an official capacity? " Where does the time go? "
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Same here. If you need to recover put out a list and I will send you what I have.EJJD GD is all out there but Beatles loss is terrible. "You can't go back and you can't stand still"
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Null sweat, you know. Easy come easy go. I'm not even sure I know of everything that is on the drive. Besides, I'm not giving up yet. I have been reading up on bypassing write protected drives. Its a shame when you have to hack into your own stuff, you know! I will definitely look you guys up if I trash the thing : )
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I had to share this with the vineyard - check out this you tube video of these kids - ages 12-17 that do an incredible job on Help on the Way-Franklin's Tower. Absolutely incredible! The kid who plays Jerry's lead is only 12 and he is NAILS!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jNnIoSMn4Q&feature=related Go SF Giants! "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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Is there interest in a best of JGB 76 vine? I'd do it in parts, probably 2 (have gone through half the shows and have enough for a part 1 so far). It would be SHN/FLAC and WAV, with me converting and burning 1 show and each of the first 3 people to sign up converting and burning a show each. I hope there is interest as there are some pretty hot shows.
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Would be sweet dstache! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Don't get too excited, you're getting these shows to complete our trade. :)
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But still am glad that you are starting a vine for everyone else =) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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all you folks out there with some large collections, do you think we could see some 1981? There really isn't much still circulating here in the yard, and I just came across a couple high-energy shows from the spring '81 tour. ( I would like to get them out there in the yard, but need to check the Vinedex.)Just a thought if anyone out there has some, I'm for sure one interested person, either for vine or trade.....
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Tell me what '81 you want... and I'll do my best to get them out there.... Raymond
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Oh yeah I have a ton of 81. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Well, since you asked, here are the early 81 shows, and sources, that I would LOVE to see vined: If you can pick only 8: 3/9 Miller SBD 3/10 rolfe.miller.95276 and the set2 SBD 3/20 vernon,9198 3/21 sbd.clugston.6666 3/23 weiskircher.32145 3/24 weiskircher-vernon.10308 5/1 sbd.hinko.29087 5/5 mow.ford.28356 If you can do 8 more: 3/5 either the Wise or GEMS AUD and the set2 SBD 3/6 either the Wise or GEMS AUD and the set2 SBD 3/12 rolfe.miller.95259 3/13 wagner.miller.90455 3/14 rolfe.miller.95288 5/2 sbd.miller.30152 5/4 milner.ford.90454 5/17 either the Munder or mow.ford AUD These are all shows that I do not have. I selected the sources after taking a quick listen to various sources on archive. 81 isn't the best year for SBDs (I thought some of the AUDs definitely sounded better) but I went with the Miller SBD when available. Thanks guys if you have these shows and vine them, even if they aren't my preferred source (it was cursory research so I could be wrong, here and there at least) :)
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From your list I have: 3/9 sbd.miller 3/13 all.aud.rolfe and a sbd for set 2 3/20 GEMS.sbd 5/1 sbd.miller And Maustin - I have started a few 81 vines (like 3 maybe?) in the past. Do you know if they are stalled or not? I guess I can do some searching and check on their status. I also have a bunch of stuff from the fall. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Sounds good, jsfc. The 5/1 Miller is a remaster of the SBD I listed (I linked through deadlists, which doesn't list the Miller source for that show, rather than search on archive, that's why I missed that one). I thought the Vernon AUD sounded better for 3/20 but the SBD is fine too. I have 17 SHN/FLAC '81 shows, plus a few more from Oct that I haven't gotten to yet (probably from jsfc). Considering that I still have in my queue to listen to those fall 81 shows, 20 shows just acquired from unclejon (mostly 83 and 85), 15 more JGB 76 shows, all the 81 JGB on jsfc's vine, about 10 '90 shows from rmb, and, oh, probably another 40 shows (68, 70, 71), I cannot possibly recommend that we pool our resources and do a huge everything from 81 vine. Or can I?
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Here is all the 81 I have as far as dates. A lot of these have already been vined. 26-Feb 27-Feb 28-Feb 7-Mar 9-Mar 13-Mar 18-Mar 20-Mar 30-Apr 1-May 8-May 9-May 11-May 12-May 13-May 15-May 16-May 4-Jul 13-Jul 14-Jul 12-Aug 16-Aug 28-Aug 30-Aug 31-Aug 12-Sep 13-Sep 25-Sep 26-Sep 27-Sep 30-Sep 2-Oct 3-Oct 4-Oct 6-Oct 8-Oct 12-Oct 13-Oct 16-Oct 17-Oct 19-Oct 29-Nov 30-Nov 2-Dec 5-Dec 6-Dec 31-Dec "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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This is what i discovered. The following vines stalled with carolina boy-3-28-81 cole field house both died this spring the following vines died with deadhead33- pomo's 197 vine (after the 5th person) fall downunder vine both died in sept. '09 uptown '81 (or lady with a fan stalled this one) early fall 1981-demised with timgard1 (have pm'd 2x now) may 1981- died with lonestar darkstar flac me flac you- was last seen with markinthedark The following 1981 vines may be alive yet- cleveland rocks #2 - pm'd 1958 about it fall 1981 europe vine- unclejon (said 2 weeks ago he'd check into it) nye 71/81- pm'd ripple1974 on this fellow more may '81 vine- on this one i pm'd pdave about this to see if he ever got it from arkdeadhead, if not that is where it died So in essence 9 out of the 12 vines of 1981 are dead......... from 1981 I have 3-12-81 3-14-81 5-01-81 10-11-81 all in wav. the spring shows just smoke and are very high energy..... I agree with dstache, I would really love to see this complete year, but I would settle for whatever people are willing to share....thanks and let me know what I can do to help the cause
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I just checked and I have 2 DVDs (flac/shn) labeled May '81 so that must be the May '81 vine I got. I would be willing to re-seed this in a week or 2. I always make copies of the DVD vines on DVDs as backups.
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Uncle Jon pm'd, he'll reseed in a week or so. Also pdave has responded, and he never recieved the More May '81 vine from arkdeadhead....
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Today's lunchtime XM concert is the Halloween show from 1991: surely there is some good video out there to synchronize with the good audio? Bootleg cameras were common back then.What's up with Sunshine Daydream, Veneta, OR 8/27/72: Is it EVER going to get out?
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I'll do better than reseed - I dug and dug and found the original vine - it will go out today. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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I just got hold of a copy of the B&W video of April 12 1978 recently synched with the Bertha remaster soundboard. Also a rehearsal video from the Orpheum Theater 1976/07/12 Any interest in these?
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That would be awesome badger! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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I too would be very interested in that video! "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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I am going to send out a mass PM note to a lot of you here describing a situation (Dead related). Basically, I have been made aware of something. I do not want to post the details on a public forum. I will send out the private PM note Wednesday morning. If for some reason, I missed including you, PM me to find out what's going on. Again, I will only be contacting the core vineyard group here. Tomorrow, the mystery will be revealed.
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how appropriate. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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Deadnet sez: "dstache was the first person to answer correctly and will get to pick a Road Trips of their choice. Check your email for instructions on how to get your prize." Congrats to dstache!
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When it comes to this kind of stuff ;) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Haha, lots of luck involved. I thought the Dark Star was from '69 (the "crank" or washboard noise or whatever that is, plus the length of the song) then looked on deadlists for Dark Stars from that year that were the same, or close, length. Today's Althea was tougher because it wasn't clear, to me at least, what year it was from. I initially thought 80 or 81, but then added 79 and 82 too. Should have stuck with my initial instinct. Then, deadlists does not always list the length of each song during that time period. 3/14/81 is one of the shows the length of songs is not listed. So, really tough. I did figure it out but took longer today. And I didn't try to enter of course (very happy to have won once). Still waiting for the confirmation email, though. 3/14/81 does not circulate on SBD, and the Althea sounds great and the show is rated highly on archive, so it would make a GREAT release! Of course, that '69 show would be GREAT too!!!!
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I guessed the 9/20/70 show using Archives. But I was too late. If MITD was still here, dstache would have a run for his money.
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Someone suggested keeping track of the shows so we don't overlap. These shows have been pledged so far. If you participate, add your shows to the list so we can keep track of them. 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 4/8/72 4/14/72 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 6/16/74 5/5/77 5/7/77 6/20/80 6/19/80 10/11/83 10/12/83
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3/29/683/30/68 4/21/69 4/8/72 4/14/72 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 6/16/74 5/5/77 5/7/77 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 Since i just got the Cleveland Rocks #2 and it's only in .wav, easy enough to spin a extra copies....
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I'd put my money on dstache any day of the week =) "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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I will be adding a few to the list shortly. In the meantime I would grade Dstache's efforts to this point on the contest as a solid A-. The rest of you I grade out at a C. EDAD grades out as an A+ for his efforts regarding Dan and his issues. "That path is for, your steps alone.
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I will be adding to Dan's list too. I am in middle of late 78 and enjoyed a nice AUD fo 11/13 so I will include it. I don't want to give too much of this era though. I tried again today, for fun, not to win for myself (I MAY have been trying to help one of our friends here). I had it down to 4 shows, 7/19/74, 5/13/73, 10/2/72 and 10/9/72, but it took an hour to get to that point, and I would have gone with 10/2/72, which I now think is incorrect (5/13/73 seems the better answer). I'll do better, I promise!
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Man I almost got busted today at work - I'm in my office, I got my head phones on listening to Playing in the Band (I left a meeting early mind you), I have dead.net, deadlists.com and gmail all open, madly searching through shows when my boss comes walking into my office and that rarely happens, I about flew out of my chair yeeesh! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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This is way cool of every one to get in on ! So nice to see the kindness !!I am doing a lot of travling these days but I will see what I can do to contribute also. " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "
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Something wierd is going on. I know the site was down for some maintenance yesterday, and I had an awful time even accessing this site at times. Today when I went to log in, there are user names appearing in my log-in box. I have seen "raymart84santos" and "chrisjegg3" appearing in my log-in user name box. Above it, it says "Sorry, unrecognized username or password." In fact the there is this message.. "You previously logged in to Dead.net and checked the "Remember me" box. At that time, a login cookie was set on your browser that it uses identify you each time you return. However, the login cookie that your browser just provided doesn't match the one it previously set." The ONLY way to log in and bypass this is to click the middle tab at the top "Log in" which clears this error out and then you can log on. I wonder if the site has been hacked. Also, it took me about 4 attempts to log in for it to work.
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happened to me also with the raymart84santos i had to look in the mirror to double check my identity whats going on?
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Not exactly as you describe but just as weird. They seem to work themselves out eventually. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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I have added 10/19/74 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 4/8/72 4/14/72 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 5/5/77 5/7/77 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83
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Let me add 11/13/78 (have that in i-tunes already) and 3 of my favorite shows, 1/31/78, 11/17/73 and 5/17/77. 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 4/8/72 4/14/72 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 1/31/78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83
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Oops, make that 11/14/73, list is correct above too, just not the paragraph 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 4/8/72 4/14/72 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 1/31/78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83