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The unexpected return of the masters of the Grateful Dead's triumphant show at the Albuquerque Civic Auditorium, November 17, 1971, yields great rewards. The Dead came in HOT for their first New Mexico show. Aided by clarity and precision and abetted by confidence and focus, they finessed old standards with definitive takes. With Keith now blending in seamlessly on keys, the first set offered up a triple shot of electric Blues, an exceptional "You Win Again," and a stellar "One More Saturday Night" to wrap things up. And the second set, well, it might just be unlike any you've ever heard. Archivist David Lemieux urges you to turn it up and do it loudly. We won't dare spoil all the surprises, but pay special attention to the rippin' "Sugar Magnolia," the aggressively monstrous "The Other One," and the highly-danceable "Not Fade>GDTRFB>Not Fade." Rounding out the 3CDs, you'll find selections from Pigpen's return tour at Ann Arbor, MI, 12/14/71. Subscribers will get nearly all of the complete show as this year's bonus disc.
As always, Dave's Picks Volume 26 has been mastered to HDCD specs from the original analog tapes by Jeffrey Norman and is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.
*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.
Both shows are great
Both Other One’s are great, and are different.A few weeks ago we were discussing bands that played the same set list every night and played the songs the same way.
Here we have 2 shows with similar set lists, separated by a few weeks, and the songs are not played identically. That’s why this band is awesome.
And the sound quality is spectacular.
The first set songs should sound embryonic, because they were. Its not like those songs were played live for 5 years before being recorded in the studio for an album.
Historic day May 4th
I finally got why it is Star Wars day, thank you Grateful Dead email. Don't forget what happened on May 4, 1970. If you have Road Trips Volume 3, Number 3, Bonus Disc, listen to the Turn On Your Lovelight from 5/14/70 Merramec Community College, and hear Pig Pen's feelings at the end of the song. Must have been intense to be at the Kresge Plaza show and Dupont Gym during that time period... bob t
Vguy suggestions
Condolences on your loss. When I chose my dad's music a little while back I used Levon Helm's When I Go Away as his processional music. It may be a bit rocking, but I buried him in a Ramones tshirt, and several people asked me afterward about it. And 2 of my friends did a graveside We Bid You Goodnight, which I learned is sung at funerals in Jamaica in a much livelier fashion along with Will the Circle Be Unbroken.
Excellent Adventure
..and an excellent, grand adventure it was.. bet you can't guess what was on the menu? That's right.. 12/14/71 for it's second close listen.
Like two of your children.. They have different personalities, strengths and weaknesses, but don't make me pick between the two.
Summer's here and the time is right...
On a different note, a very kind soul who's feeling a bit under the weather just send me this link.
http://nugs.tv/?utm_source=ldmaster&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=20180…
It's a free stream and makes for a perfect backdrop for Cinco de mayo. I'm the one wearing the tie dye with my hands in my pockets, Oteil side of course.
Yeah right space
If the first set of Albuquerque is "throwaway" material, then every time they played any of those songs after 1978 were throwaways. It's a laughable statement.
if I could re-experience three shows...
I would re-experience
7/18/82 my first
7/13/84 :)))
6/9/90 wowie zowie
$1,500 Box Set
Space.. I think Pinkus ripped you off. I'd start by emailing Dr. Rhino and asking for a partial refund.
I got mine for $699.98 or $8.75 per disc. ..although if you are bitter, I bet you could sell yours, used, for the $1,500 you supposedly paid.
They will never do a box set for that much money ever again.. so I fail to see your point.
Embryonic
Ok.. best pre-1972 China Rider.
I was always partial to the early ones.. yes, some crashed and burned but at least they took some chances (and some doses).
Even if they had not achieved that 5/3/72 polished perfection, it's worth seeking out the early ones, especially those with learning-curve anomalies.
I guess I prefer embryonic imperfection over polished and rehearsed. Call me crazy (scratch that).
Some of the 1970 ones in particular are worth the price of admission.
Fat Old Sun
Jim,
Thanks for the reminder on that one. I just watched the Gdansk video. Great stuff. I couldn't find a video from the Circus Maximus show. Too bad. What a vantage point that would have been from the ancient Roman palace. Even just walking through those ruins was a life changing experience.
Gotta disagree with you about your objection to the $1,500 price though. I think most people here would pay well more than that for a mid 90s release. Especially 93.
$1500 box set
A 30 show $750 box set of mostly '80's and '90's shows sold out in just a couple of weeks AJS. You don't believe an 80 show box, comprised entirely of Betty boards would sell out for $1500?
You should try some '93 sometime. An open mind is a great thing.
@jim - $1500 was mean't as sarcasm. The point being that many of the top shelf shows are being limited to mega box sets and out of most people budgets.
Charley Patton - Robert Johnson
Alright! Even hidden behind crackles and snaffles and pops he still sounds incredibly powerful. 90 years old recordings too-amazing.
He was 10 years before Robert Johnson-but on the subject of country blues, I got the Robert Johnson cds The Complete Recordings-The Centennnial Collection on Sony last year. Its got far and away the best sound quality of any Johnson release I have ever heard. They are all new digital transfers, according to the sleeve notes. You can even hear the distant sound of a trucks engine outside at one point. If you only had one blues recording-this is the one I would recommend.
Idaho... Expensive boxes...
I once saw a map of Idaho which comprised an outline of the state and one straight line from north-east to south-west that was marked "Potato Road". Is this a reasonable representation of the state of Idaho?
Spacebro talked about "mega box sets out of most people's budgets" presumably referring to the 30 Trips box. I think probably what he meant was that it was outside his budget, rather than most people's budgets. As I recall that box, despite the price, sold out rather quickly, suggesting that most people had no problem instantly coming up with the moolah. I can see that such a price could be a problem for those amongst us who are fiscally disadvantaged, but that would seem not to be the majority.
30tats
Saying the 750$ box is "mostly" 8os and 90s shows is an exaggeration, seems like hyperbolic language to support a subjective argument about Dead era preference. It was evenly split almost exactly. Many of the people I came across sounded like they did not buy the box for the later years releases. Some of the later era shows in the box are of high quality but some sounded just awful in sound quality when they were transfered.
I hope that Dead.net wouldnt keep inflating box sizes and continue to fill them with shows that have dubious sound quality on low quality CDs, now that would ruffle my feathers.
Vguy
Sorry to hear about your father-in-law. One song to consider if it's not too late is Shine A Light by the Stones. Not sure if you know this one from Exile on Main St, but it's balad-like, peaceful, and has some gospel influences (female gospel singers backing vocals). One of the things that made exile such a unique record for the stones was that there were a wide variety of styles perfectly blended into a cohesive two-LP collection. Several songs have gospel leanings, after Mick and, I want to say Graham Nash, went to a southern Baptist Mass in Alabama (they had been recording overdubs and post-production vocals down there, I think at Muscle Shoals). Anyway, sorry for your loss.
Big Box Set Blues
Totally disagree with the notion that the top shelf shows are reserved for expensive box sets. These performances are considered the best of their eara, and they were all single releases:
Two From The Vault / 1968
Dick's Picks 4 / 1970
Sunshine Daydream / 1972
One From The Vault / 1975
Cornell / 1977
Dead Set & Go To Nassau / 1980
Crimson White & Indigo / 1987
Also, Fillmore West 1969, Europe '72 & Spring '90 all had individual shows from those tours released. The fact of the matter is that Rhino is sometimes going to release huge box sets, and there are going to be top shelf shows in them.
Pre 72 China Ryder
JiminMD How about all of them, Went searching and wound up listening to the 12-12-70 Santa Rosa Fairgrounds. After a two week hiatus they were ready to play that day. Also loved the really sweet trans from GDTRFB to the Darkness jam. Something about a show with the Darkness jam that makes me want to give it a listen
Frank
Yes. An open mind is wonderful. So, after having attended a number of shows in 93, I can assure you that the playing was subpar compared to earlier years.
When approaching the Grateful Dead, try to remember these two axioms:
Don't listen to the music through rose colored speakers.
The scene was always better before you got there.
And I use the term "you" in the general sense.
68 & 69, old timer venues, DC area
Jim, thanks for the Beck alert, just checked the tour schedule, might find something somewhere on the east coast, the closest to me, Boston can be tough. His take on Goodby Pork Pie Hat is a favorite, phenomenal technical prowess. My first and last Beck was at the Alexandria (VA) Roller Rink in October '68, Nicky Hopkins piano, Ronnie Wood on bass and Hot Rod Stewart on vocals, they opened for Janis and Big Brother. No chairs, sit on the floor, stand or dance. Wish the Dead had come to DC/Baltimore before 1972.
Streamed 6.27.69 Veterans this morning to hear Green Green Grass of Home, great show with "country" & a nice DS, Jerry on pedal steel... happy to have juice after super high winds and tornado alert yesterday afternoon, 65,000 people without power up here. Vermont tornados very rare, heck the last snow on the north side of things just melted off a few days ago.
Firing up Airplane's Fillmore East 11/28-29/1969, Sweeping up the Spotlight, saw them at the Baltimore CC soon after. Recalling Shady Grove Music Fair, Gaithersburg, great early shows there, including pop psych Iron Butterfly & JA, Rod Stewart (when he still rocked) & Savoy Brown Blues Band, etc. Theater in the round venue, stage rotated, Yes, Steely Dan, the Allman Brothers, James Brown all played there. It's an office building complex now. And then there was MPP in Columbia... a real treat to get back there for Dear Jerry.
$1500 Box Set
Summer Tour ‘95, pressed on gold CD’s.Limited edition to 25 units.
Early subscriber bonus: Boreal ‘85 on 200g vinyl.
Yessss.......
#8433 + Bonus arrived here in sunny Holland this afternoon, just in time. Now the big question is: Will I get the chance to listen to it this evening before flying off to enjoy the tavernas of Kreta tomorrow morning for a week's well earned (IMHO) rest 'n' relaxation. At least I know it has arrived safely. Latvala! Metaxa!
Daverock - Robert Johnson
Thanks for the heads up on this Dave. I have the original release from the 90's and have always LOVED it. Your review of the re-release/re-master made me check amazon. Most reviewers agreed this was a HUGE upgrade to original. It was certainly cheap enough. It's on the way.
And yet again this site has cost my wife money she doesn't know I spent!
Rose Colored Speakers
Used to have a pair. They looked great, but everything sounded the same. Then one fateful day they broke. It was an ear opening experience.
Come On In My Kitchen - Dennis
I think you will get rumbled, Dennis, if you play the Robert Johnson within your wife's earshot.
Incidentally, I don't know if you have ever heard of Larkin Poe. They are two young women who have done some amazing covers on youtube. It looks like they are recording at home, just for fun. One of these is a cover of Come On In My Kitchen. It is quite simply the best cover of a Robert Johnson song I have ever heard. I still can't figure how to put videos on here-but that one definitely deserves to be seen.
Other great covers they do are One Way Out, Black Betty, Johnny B. Goode, Preaching Blues-Whole Lotta Love, War Pigs! Their own songs don't seem quite as good to me-but those cover versions are the real deal.
I want to thank you all for your support....
....and song ideas. I used a few. You're all friends to me, and I mean that sincerely. My songlist made people smile and cry. When I found out the Snake River ran along the cemetery, I switched it up to Brokedown Palace. A couple of people even asked who that was. When I said The Grateful Dead, eyebrows raised and they said "really?" Really. Thanks again. Mission accomplished....
Other Ones (boxes that is)
Possible BOXES/Dave’s/SHOWS
First, glad the main consensus seems to be a unified hell yeah for DaP 26...
Great shows, if perhaps too much alike....if one were to nit pick....
Funny only one person has commented on the ABQ show sounding like Kieth is playing an upright, somewhat out of tune piano....a story there to be had I’m sure, Dave?
Ok sports fans, after reading all the pontificating about what should/shouldn’t be released for what feels like forever ad nauseam, I finally feel compelled enough to speak up for those of us with perhaps a more opened minded, comprehensive view on the subject....oh boy I can see half your heads turning bright red, spinning around, and/or exploding as we speak hee-hee ; )
DISCLAMER; these are just some loose ideas, not the cure for cancer....
The one give in all this though, and kinda my point here, is there is soooooo much more great GD music, and that not everyone is a taper or approaches the music as such, just saying....
We are so fortunate that we have even received what we have, so bottom line is be grateful, and “let there be songs, to fill the air”
Ok, gentleman (and ladies) start your engines....
FALL 89 BOX; (supplements previously released shows. We all know the multi-tracks are available...NOTE; I have not had the pleasure to hear all these, (heard and/or been to 8 of the 17, so somewhat going off of set lists for balanced lbox set. Still can’t believe I sold my Miami tix even after all these years, “Rat Farts!”)
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9-29-89; 1st DEATH DON’T, sugar mag (end)/Quinn the Eskimo (e)
10-14-89; 1st set Help/Slip/Franks, China Doll-1 Mo Saturday (end)/ Black Muddy (e)
10-19-89; Help/Slip/Franks, DEATH DON’T-Lovelight (end)/ Baby Blue (e)
10-20-89; 1st CALIFORNIA EARTHQUAKE , Hey Pocky way, Scar-Fire, Trucking, TOO Jam, Sugar mag (end)/ Brokedown (e)
10-23-89; Cali Earthquake, Crazy Fingers, GDTRFB-SOTM-Lovelight (end)/ ATTICS (e)
10-26-89; DARK STAR, Stella-NFA (end)/ WE BID YOU GOODNIGHT (e)
FALL 73 BOX; (Let Me Sing, W.R.S., Let it Grow etc with horns)
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9-11-73; Dark Star-Dew- Sugar Mag (end)
9-15-73;
9-17 or 18-73 ??
9-21-73
9-26-73
WINTER 73 BOX; supplements previously released
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12-01-73
12-06-73
12-08-73
12-18-73
SUMMER 85 BOX
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6-14-85 (possible)1st Keep on Growing, Stagger Lee, Smokestack-Comes a Time-Sug Mag (end)
6-16-85 (possible) 1st Cryptical, Warf-Lovelight (end)/ Brokedown (e)
6-22-85 (possible)
6-25-85 or 1st set only as a bonus?? Day Tripper
6-27-85 * (definitely!)
6-28-85 * (definitely!)
6-30-85 * (definitely!)
7-01-85 * (definitely!)
7-13-85 * (definitely!) Smoking first set!!; mix with Cryptical through Around from second set BONUS DISC?
OTHER Possible Boxes and/or Dave’s etc
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1-10+20-79; Dark Stars and a St. Stephen
12-5+15-71; Dark Stars etc, BONUS DISC 3-17-70!
69?: need more of those psychedelic suites etc!!!!!
8-21+24-72; Dark Stars etc
7-27+28-73
6-24-84+7-13-84
9-26-91+6-9-91; 1st set, + Bonus 2nd set
7-31+8-1-94
3-20+21-92 (C eh, N eh, D eh!!!)
6-21-84+6-30-87 (C eh, N eh, D eh!!!!)
7-7+8-87
or something similar from venues/Places rarely played????
9-26-81
6-10-73
12-31-81
4-12-83
FALL 83 BOX?; 10-11,15,17,22-83; St. Stephens etc, supplements DP 6
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SPRING 89 BOX; these are only what I’m familiar with....supplements 4-2+3
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4-5,6,8,9-89
And FALL 85 BOX? These are what I’m familiar with, obviously could be others....
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10-31-85
11-2-85
11-5-85
11-7-85
11-8-85
11-10-85
11-21-85
How bout themes like best of venues or cities like....
Rochester Aud.
Hampton Coliseum
Greek Theater
Syracuse
TOGA
Spectrum
Cal Expo
Alpine
etc.,
Or???????????? Pick best 5 or 6 unreleased shows from ???????
How about some more videos? Yes, yes I know they didn’t sell etc, but if there is stuff that is already complete and the production costs have already been spent I.e., 7-2-89, why not release small batches like Dave’s?
The point is, no matter how great the late 70s, Beatty Boards etc are, and they certainly are (usually, ahem)there is a whole lot more great, and some would argue comparable shows/tours/eras etc out there....
“just gotta poke around”, “free your mind, the rest will follow!”......or
“Don’t dominate the rap Jack if you’ve got nothing new to say”
yes perhaps the tapes aren’t always top notch, so what, market them at some kind of discount, just get more out before we croak! ; )
Hell, how about announcing possible shows, but having us pay before production so Rhino/GD etc does not lose money, and we don’t get shut out? The ole supply and demand symbiotic thingy.....nudge, nudge, wink, wink know what I mean.
Ok, that being said, let the games begin. Oh, and you cant hurt my feelings cause I’ve seen shows in three decades (5 if you add post JG), and have listened to soooo much magnificent music for over 50 years now! So go ahead haters, make my day, “you cannot block my stoyyyllle!”
“Don’t think, don’t think, don’t think...”
Why thanky Jim, but not so much thinking as “Thr faster we go, the rounder we get” here-hee
the $1500 Box Set will come one day
The record companies are anxious to milk the hardcore fan market as fewer and fewer people actually pay for music. The company behind Guns And Roses' huge debut album, Appetite For Destruction, has just started the marketing campaign for the marketing campaign for that album's re-issues. 5 editions, I think. The topmost edition is priced at $999. Vinyl LPs, vinyl singles, CDs, BluRay, and LOTS of replica paper and tchochkes all in a "faux" wood/leather box. Only the $999 and $180 editions include 5.1 tracks.
How long before Rhino sees that this idea will make lots o' money from the devotees of American Beauty and Wake Of The Flood? And what will they limit to only being in the ultra-pricy editions?
Some Deadheads may have to sell their Cadillacs...
As for my listen to Dap26: 11/17 was very fine, particularly the PITB and TO1. I have noticed before that the jam section in DS and the one in TO1 cover very similar ground by late '72 (see 8/21 & 22 for evidence), but this is the first time I noticed motifs I expect in the DS jam section occuring in an TO1 jam section in a '71 show. REALLY ENJOYED that TO1!
The two sampler discs from 12/14 were fine listening, but I always have trouble getting into live Dead that isn't full-show-in-order. Oh well.
VGuy, sorry for you and your family's loss. Some say death isn't "the end", but it sure does feel like it. Keep on keeping on...
Been recently, pleasantly
Been recently, pleasantly getting back with the 81-82s, whole bunch of great energy there etccheck out 5-17-81; saw in 3rd row, JG was using a McIntosh MC 2500 instead of usual 2300, holy moley was he loud! Great show!...had to take a final the next day and my ears were ringing so bad I couldn’t hear the prof ; )
7-13-84, I wish...have never heard it, but they musta had a reason to release the hounds....
6-9-90, unfortunately can’t remeber much. Always love Cal expo, great layout etc. Finally made it to the promised land after being on the bus for like 15 years at that point....3 Cal expos, 2 JGB Warfields, and 3 Shorelines....booyah!!!
Rehash
Rehash seems to be a prevailing factor in all things media these days, hell they take half hour tv shows, turn them into an hour by repeating aa you come back from commercials, stuff you just watched!And movies, fo-get-aboutit...is this because there is a lack of creativity/originality (probably cause nobody can see the boys anymore he-he)—or do they know we all suffer from short term memory loss yuck-yuck..
The whole remastered deal is suspect too....usually just crank up and compress the hell out of it...thank goodness not the good ol GD. Norm and the boys know how to let the music breath....you know, this thing called dynamics....
But your right, probably won’t be long before the 10 disc American Beauty rehash with one complete disc of Ram Rod and Steve farting while telling inappropriate jokes etc
Dave's Picks
Hello:
Pretty new to site. I have few of Dave's Picks However, I was wondering if someone could rate them 1-26 for me. Which ones are the classics.
Luman
Ranking Daves
Oh boy, that’s like asking “name your 26 favorite beers” hell, that’d be easier!See, imho part of the point of the whole deal was that they were a dynamic, constantly mutating organism, not a one show pony like most top “acts”, where the goal is to play the same show, perfectly, exactly, “just like the record” every show.....
Read More than Human, study gestalt theory, sprinkle liberally with the bands whims, influences, whether their backs/feet hurt, it was raining, it was sunny, someone’s ol lady was pissed, combined by the line up; 1 or 2 drummers, which keys etc, new versus stale material, playing to the times, well you see that that’s what makes it the dead....
It was an always changing constant that sometimes sucked, but often transcended....see, its all good, check out what ever you can and “sometimes you get shone the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right”
Don’t think, just listen. If you get confused just listen to the music play......
Ranking Dave's Picks
Mr. Jack Straw is the man.
They all have their place and they are all pretty damned good.. but we all have our favorites.
Dave - Come On
Nice cover.
I can't copy videos in, but I can copy an address in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x-1Y9KNs9w
Just copy and paste the address from the web page.
Larkin Poe
One more -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06DyHdOJqJw
makes for the lead-in,,, anyone seeing Paul Simon on this tour? We're seeing him on 6/1.
Reviews?
Ranking
So true Jim, just ass-uming Luman is newbie and/or young-er, so trying to be leading in old sage/zen like manor of not leading etc, but yaaass, even a proud papa of seven might have a favorite....I just figure let em wander unacumbered and eventually they’ll develop tastes as we all are do....
This being old thing has to be good for something : )
Stuff
I too want to wish condolences to Mr. and Mrs. Vguy. I am just catching up on things. Always like Vince Gill Go Rest High on the Mountain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jXrmAKBBTU
Of course Brokedown.
Keithfan, just in case. Old Muscle Shoals is in renaissance. A friend of a friend of mine, so an an acquaintance of mine owns all the old studio equipment of FAME studios. Has a studio where I am from in a ranch house in the middle of a subdivision.
https://www.al.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/04/aerosmiths_steven_ty…
One of my funkier ones, James Brown, Future Shock!
https://www.al.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/05/john_jabo_starks_ala…
Hate to loose him, loved James! Make it Funky!
G
Oh yeah Loving this release. Sound is phenomenal.
Being Old
It comes with a lot of pain, so it must be worth it.
I did see some really good shows.. but my list pales to some of the others that contribute.
I really enjoying hearing tales of old (and new).. The music and the culture.. great fun great memories.. and someone was smart enough to hit the record button.
Hey Now Jim
Not fair.
My understanding is you have both the time traveling lawn mower and the closet full of toads to lick. How does that work? I am without. Lick a toad and mow mow mow.
Cinco De Mayo
Happy Cinco De Maya all..
Why not kick it in with a little free stream from the land of the psychedelic toads, extra anejo tequila and live dead.
http://nugs.tv/free/
They seem to be letting you rewind it and start from the beginning and it gets out of the gate with a bang. Great tribute to JPB who had just passed.. here is the setlist:
Dead & Company
The Barceló, Riviera Maya, Mexico 2018-02-15
Set 1:
Playing in the Band
Me and My Uncle
He's Gone
Cassidy
Brown-Eyed Women
Bertha
Good Lovin'
La bamba
Set 2:
Scarlet Begonias
Fire on the Mountain
Althea
Estimated Prophet
Eyes of the World
Drums
Space
Looks Like Rain
I Need a Miracle
Casey Jones
Encore:
The Weight
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