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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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  • noonie
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    my thoughts......
    the whole shn /flac /mps things it just a matter of personal taste...some people care some don't..personally i am in to shn/flac just saves of space, time copying, and it sounds better but that is my opion....we are are all here as a community to share the music of the grateful dead......the one thing i think all of us needs to remember is, its not our music we did not createt it we do not own it as a personal possesion, but we do looooove it and cherish it . The grateful dead where nice enough to allowing tapeing and tradeing. Lets just all sit back and enjoy this precious gift we have been given....i remember listening to tapes all warped left in the sun, some one spilling bong water on them, and just dancing my ass off and just digin every fuck up sound coming from my speakers. so i remember we had this one tape that cut out right in the middle of drums blank for about 1 1/2 so we decide that was when the audiance was suppose to play and we would drum on anything around us...fun times .anywhooo...thats my opion let you life proceed by its own design fare the well now
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    mp3 format converted to flac?
    WHOA HOLD UP... this is a big no no...mp3 could be traded or vined...but that needs to be listed as such...not only did the Grateful Dead standardize the quality of many things in popular music...so did the taping community...frankly, mp3 is what it is...a super compressed digital format...I mean really digital is bad enough for frequency range, so for somebody to actually seed something that was MP3 and encode it to flac...that's really , really lame...and if done on purpose is tantamountly lame... This really should not happen whatsoever, I did see a "best of summer" DVD as a add on from a vine as MP3 , and that was OK, but I passed...as I don't really need to listen to that format and if I do : I will convert whatever music as I see fit... It really comes down to quality...I KNOW MP3 is convienent but as a standard of quality it really pales in comparison to .wav files or lossless files converted to .wav aka "standard red book CD format quality" - now some 24 bit at 96 kHz stuff might be interesting to seed later....but this would be played through a DVD player to handle such encodement... MP3 SEEDS AS FLAC IS WAY WAY LAME - KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING WHEN SEEDING - PLEASE FOR EVERYBODY'S SAKE.... Ursa Minor http://www.myspace.com/donnieloeffler "the warm wet world of analog audio"
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    i don't understand a word of the computerspeak goin' on here, but i wanna say thanx to all who have sent my son and i shows on cd. i have hours of audio on video tape cuz it was a convenient way to record stuff off the radio, either fm broadcasts, or gd hour marathons. someday when my brain is not so mushy (ha!, like that's ever gonna happen!) i can solicit help in transferring the info to a more modern listening format but it's like trying to learn a new language with a knot yanked in yer tongue!
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    Thanks for the info CB! Man that would be perfect! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
  • cosmicbadger
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    1. flac files can of course easily be converted to WAV and burnt to CDs. That is what I do for the car stereo and for favourite shows 2. The Cowon iaudio series of portable players can play FLACs (and WAVs but not SHNs) directly. www dot cowonglobal dot com If you are buying a new player it may be worth considering. Greg MacFarlane has one. 3. It is now possible to convert many MP3 players to play FLACs and SHNs (as well as MP3s) by installing a cool and free programme called Rockbox. www dot rockbox dot org I converted my ipod to Rockbox just by following the instructions and can now load and play flacs and shns directly for mobile lossless listening pleasure without having to convert to MP3. Of course they take up a lot more disc space hth CB
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    I agree with Cosmic, any shows that are sourced from Lossless Legs are not MP3's converted back to a lossless format. The folks there would never permit this to happen - the hard core traders run a spectrum analysis on the music and if it were Lossy data they would yank that torrent right down. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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    I echo the sentiment of cosmic badger and offer thanks to all who share this wonderful music so well in this forum (and thanks to marye for her kind assistance). That said, I also state that I am not big into the flac offerings. My computer is not hooked up to my stereo in any fashion and when I want to listen, I pop one the grate shows I got from the vineyard into my stereo and crank it. I am not a big 'headphones' kind of guy (unless it is late night listening, out of consideration for my wife.) I do see the value of the flac and even loading the shows into the computers 'hard drive' for storage. Forgive me, like some of my other cohorts (dwindling numbers as we speak), I appreciate and will continue to sign up for the CDs, as they are most conveient for my uses (in my recent trip to Minn we listened to the vineyards aural treasures for 10 hours). Maybe in the future I will take up some of the offers to send 'hard drives' to have years of GD or JGB 'loaded' onto them. Where I sit right now is being thankful to all who share, grateful that I was able to share, and just got to smile, smile, smile, when I think of what trading and sharing consisted of in the old daze. We got it good people. Let's maintain the positive vibe and continue to spead the joy. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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    1. IMHO everyone who takes the trouble to assemble some shows and share them on the vines is a superstar (whatever the content, quantity or name of the vines). Establishing hierarchies, competing and bitching are unnecessary and undermine the integrity of this place. Why do it? 2. It all boils down to this. Trade losslessly and do not insert MP3 generations. WAV, FLAC and SHN are lossless formats. FLAC is the most convenient and the most popular because the data files are smaller and easy to copy and convert to anything else. It takes 30 minutes to learn how to deal with FLACs 3. The shows traded losslessly on LL were not downloaded from Archive as MP3s. If there was an MP3 generation in those files it would be shown in the provenance of the show. Before the clamp down on Grateful Dead SBDs all those shows were uploaded (and downloadable) as FLAC or SHN files by a wonderful community of people wishing to share and archive everything in perpetual lossless format. In fact the auds on archive still are downloadable in Lossless formats but only on a file by file basis; just scroll down the page and you will see that you have a choice of formats. It was once like this for the SBDs too. If you want the FLACs you can save yourself a lot of time and trouble by using the ‘Down’ em all’ plug in for Firefox, which will grab all the files for you in one go. Have a nice weekend CB
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    Hell yea I`m stoked for that too !! and a 68 vine , oh yea that too I can`t wait for !! Back to mp3/shn/flac for a momemt , all I know is that shn/flac does in fact sound better to me as of my recent discovery of Foobar 2000 . But I guise it also depends on the systme you are using to play said music . I don`t know too much about WAV formats . But I do know that there are people seeding shn/flac on shn/flac.net that have been dowed from arcives.org , wich we know that is all mp3 format .. to my ears shn/flac does sound better to me then mp3 and with the correct equipment it can be played on my car radio . And I`m quite sure that some vines that where seeded here have been in mp3 format at one time or another . now that I think of it I`m sure I seeded shn/flac vies that where mp3 at one time and not even realize it at the time , but i do keep a better eye out for the mp3 to shn/flac when i down anything from shn/flac.net or any other site . Man this can all get way to confusing for me so I think I`ll exit this conversation . Way too many different formats !! I agree with Unclejon lets just enjoy the music as it is ( was ) intended to be .. Hope you all have a Grate weekend !! Peace .. Stu ..
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    for JGB '74...and can't wait for ALL of 1979 (all good things in all good time). "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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I will add the Warlocks shows from Oct. 8-9 '89. Plus.... I have most of 81 if you all need help with whatever it is you are thinking about! Raymond 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 4/8/72 4/14/72 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 1/31/78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 10/08/89 10/09/89
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You guys all rock! Such a kind place here =) I PMed Dan asking what shows he was really craving and he said he that any shows would be appreciated and he was totally overwhelmed by everyone's kindness. But he did mention RFK 6/9 and 6/10 1973 so I'll add those. =) 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 4/8/72 4/14/72 6/9/73 6/10/73 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 1/31/78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 10/08/89 10/09/89 "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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This site is fubar. I think I tried 30 times to log-in, and about as many times to get to the forum. Sumpin' [sic] is going on. Is there anybody out there?
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There's like 5 million people trying to access the site so they can **gasp** get a hold of a **gasp** free download of a song. And then of course they can turn around and bitch about it all. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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There are 464 profiles/users at deadnet at this very moment. Holy crap. The average (mean) way back a few weeks ago was like 10 to 20. I checked a few profiles, and all the one's I checked had been activated exactly 1 week ago +/- a few hours or a day. What in the world? Are they all here for the freebies? I have had more trouble accessing pages and logging in today. Is it a bandwith issue? We here at the super secret vineyard need to prepare for a population boom once folks start figuring out what we are up to. This could be mass chaos...;-) Look what happend to Dodge City in the late 1800s and urban sprawl today. :-)
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I'm gonna do a 2-part JGB 76 vine (with the help of the first few people to sign up, for WAV), but I will wait until December, both because I am working a lot over the next couple weeks and because I'm certain Marye is very busy with the contest. Hold on for a little longer and it will be here. I don't think it is a great year, and there are some duds (early in the year the music is played TOOOO SLOWWWW), but there are plenty of VERY GOOD shows. The ones I will vine are worth getting excited about.
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I couldn't log on for days. The facebook free download schtick has inundated the site. Not surprisingly, the powers that be were woefully unprepared. I am sending Dan the two 1976 shows from the Beacon. New list: 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 4/8/72 4/14/72 6/9/73 6/10/73 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 6/14/76 6/15/76 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 1/31/78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 10/08/89 10/09/89 "That path is for, your steps alone."
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I am sending out shows from '69, '70, '73, '77, and '78. (Sent today.) New list: 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 11-8-69 9-20-70 4/8/72 4/14/72 3-26-73 4-2-73 6/9/73 6/10/73 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 6/14/76 6/15/76 2-26-77 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 6-7-77 6-8-77 6-9-77 1/31/78 5-16-78 7-7-78 7-8-78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 10/08/89 10/09/89 Dan's list, what a wonderful idea, ADA! Hope these shows help to brighten your days, Dan. I feel better already. ;o} We wouldn't know the light without the dark. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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An Oroboros sighting!
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New list:3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 11-8-69 9-20-70 4/8/72 4/14/72 3-26-73 4-2-73 6/9/73 6/10/73 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 6/14/76 6/15/76 2-26-77 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 6-7-77 6-8-77 6-9-77 1/31/78 5-16-78 7-7-78 7-8-78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 7-6-84 7-7-84 8-16-87 10/08/89 10/09/89 7-6 & 7-7 1984 and a 8-16-87.....way to go all!!!
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I have a mandolin (Yank Rachell model Harmony) with a backstage pass that reads StaffDawg eat Dawg 5-5-94 The Warfield. Jerry and David played there that night. Any of you there that night? Any Photos? This instrument has been an ongoing mystery to me since I purchased it 12 years ago. The great mando mystery. Any ideas would be helpfull. Thanx
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I'd suggest posting this in the In Search of Info topic. The Vineyard is certainly a hotbed of knowledge, but this may be a bit afield from vining.
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Why does a SHN/FLAC source sometimes have an xxxxx ending (such as 81.01.01.sbd.miller.xxxxx)? Is xxxxx used when a number has not yet assigned? Did the person I received this show from download it as soon as it became available (or someone he got it from did)? Is the sbd.miller.xxxxx the EXACT same as the subsequent sbd.miller.11111? I tend to think that a number has not yet been assigned but the seeder wanted to get the source out there so they uploaded it without a number, and there are no changes in the xxxxx version and the subsequent numbered version. Thanks!
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You are absolutely correct about the pending shn id #.... Raymond
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Hey viners! One band I am very lacking in is the Who. Are there any shows circulating out there? I'd trade with ya if you have some!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Dan Lampinski recorded the Who in 75. I have the show and both it and the sound quality are excellent. I think though that the show was still on my hard drive, and not yet burned onto DVD, when my last computer died. I'll check though.
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I have 12/14/75. Looking for more? Alice Cooper would be pretty cool indeed! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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some Alice Cooper, not much but am willing to start or contribute to a vine. The shows are in wav though. I have a May '78 show and an August '08 show if anyone is interested.
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Longrifle was asking me about re-seeding Phil's Free Sounboards Vines. I checked and all 3 parts were last seen with Ursa about 7 months ago. The issue with re-seeding these is that in total there are 12 DVD's with well over 40GB of music. That's kind of a tall order for a re-seed. Could anyone help me and better yet has anyone heard from Ursa? "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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I used to live in Chicago and have a soft place for the windy city. More than that, this is the reason that I hang out with youse guys - to help a fellow soul in need of some music. I will send along the following: 4/17/72 11/17/73 11/20/73 9/16/78 10/30/83 and I thought it would be nice to throw in a Jerry show too JGB 8-29-87 3/29/68 3/30/68 4/21/69 11-8-69 9-20-70 4/8/72 4/14/72 4/17/72 3-26-73 4-2-73 6/9/73 6/10/73 9/24/73 9/26/73 10/23/73 10/25/73 10/27/73 10/29/73 10/30/73 11/01/73 11/14/73 11/17/73 11/20/73 6/16/74 10/19/74 6/14/76 6/15/76 2-26-77 5/5/77 5/7/77 5/17/77 6-7-77 6-8-77 6-9-77 1/31/78 5-16-78 7-7-78 7-8-78 9/16/78 11/13/78 11/20/78 11/29/79 6/20/80 6/19/80 3-2-81 3-3-81 10/11/83 10/12/83 10/30/83 7-6-84 7-7-84 8-16-87 10/08/89 10/09/89 JGB 8-29-87 7-6 & 7-7 1984 and a 8-16-87.....way to go all!!! "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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JackStraw, I'm a Who fan and have worked for a few years now to try and find the best Who shows and would be willing to vine the Who if there is enough interest. Pete Townshend's talent often goes under appreciated I think. And who (!) can't help but love the manic drumming style of Keith? Even my 12 year old daughter loves Keith! Entwhistle too was a standout on bass - take a close listen sometime. And, Daltrey's vocals are classic - Talkin' bout my g-g-g-generation...! The other day I was watching clips of Monterey Pop and the Isle of Wight - the Who really were at the top of their game. "Who"se interested? Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck... "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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I would sign up for a Who vine.
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Absolutely!!! Thanks a lot for the consideration unclejon!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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would dig a Who vine! If it were anything like your Zep vine, it would be awesome! Live at Leeds, the Woodstock and Monterey tunes and the disc that accompanies Who's Next are all that I know (I haven't heard the Isle of Wight). Bring it UJ! " Where does the time go? "
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Folsom Field 1989? Ahhh what a night!! Seriously though I'd be a happy camper with a Who vine! We wont get fooled again!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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to JackStrawfromColorado for his winning guees in yesterdays 30 days of Dead
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I'm working on the Who vine - I hope to have it together by this weekend. I love putting a vine like this together because I get to go back and relisten to some of my favorite music. I hope y'all like it when ya' get it! IHowever, I'm experiencing a slight delay due to the need to take the kids to a premier of Harry Potter tomorrow in San Francisco. JackStraw nice job on Folsom Field 1989... "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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Me friend thought it would be funny to dose me at the cincy show. Luckily My schedule was open. I later found out that it was some album cover or something. I'm sorry people but this stuff was weak compared to what we were used to in 1990. I was wondering if anyone knows about this weak stuff? Maybe i ruined myself. Maybe it wasnt LSD?Just wondering what they gave me. Most importantly the show was excellent!!
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Maybe you are in the wrong forum..... ;-)
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UncleJon, how were the Deathly Hallows?
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My 12 year old gave it a 8/10. It seemed a bit slow in parts as they were careful to follow the book. There was an embellishment or they could've done without. Overall, very enjoyable and they've set up the finale for next July quite nicely. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
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Went to see Furthur Sat night at Madison Square Garden. Only 31 years after seeing the boys there for the first time. It's certainly not the same, but I had a really terrific night. Stood near Bill Walton, great energy from the crowd, killer setlist, tight playing, Phil dropping bombs all night.... Funny story: Two girls were sitting next to me. They were young enough to my daughter. They were bitchin about the music all night. Suddenly the band plays the opening chords to Dark Star and i say "Well, you cant still be disappointed, they are going into Dark Star." They say Dark Star sucks and LEAVE!!! What a waste of 19th row tickets on two idiots! Of course, after Dark Star they missed St. Stephen, TOO. The 11, Death Don't have no Mercy, Franklin's!!!!!! What a set. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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It feels like the newbies go to be cool with no clue about anything else that goes on. Unfortunately, as you state, they are the ones who snatch up all the good tickets. "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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more dancing room for you!
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More room for me and Bill Walton to dance! "That path is for, your steps alone."
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I'm sure all of us who got cranky about the 1987 newbies are cracking up at the familiar tale. And yet I suspect a bunch of those folks who were completely clueless until the band played Touch of Grey are still with us! And the ones that aren't, too bad for them! From what I hear from those who were around in the earlier days, this is somewhat ongoing. I'm sure I made the more knowledgeable groan from time to time. It'll be interesting to see which of these first-timers stick around, and why. But yeah, this is especially aggravating when people who really do love the band have been shut out!
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...all the years combine... Many people have seen this list developing in these pages over the past month and I thought that I'd take a minute to let everyone know that I'm Dan and that this list was developed out of my request on another forum here for some shows, since the circumstances of my life forced me to lose the recordings that I had and currently prevent me from acquiring any new ones via computer.I'll spare you the details, though I'm not ashamed of them(I'd relate them to anyone interested via PM), it's just not the point of this post. The point here is to publicly acknowledge and thank the kind spirit and generosity of the members here who heard my call and answered it, without condition or reservation of any kind. That's the spirit of the continuing thread of those who really hear the music, the "unbroken chain", as it were. The addresses on the packages that have arrived continue to reflect that indeed "we are everywhere". As I continue to receive shows from people,the importance of the intention of the people sending the music is as important as the music itself. So, at this time of thanksgiving, I give thanks for being part of the dead community for the last 38 years and thanks especially for all the members who have taken so much time to reach out to me in the last month or so. All your efforts have truly touched my heart. Thanks, Dan
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I hope we have been able to "ease the pain." Its good to know that Deadheads are still amongst the coolest people in the world. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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I just sent mine out today, but it's good to know a brother has been helped. Really warms the heart this time of the year. Kudos to all, and to all enjoy the friends and family this time of the year. Happy Thanksgiving my brothers and sisters.........
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Is there anyone here still signing up for vines that only does WAV and does not do SHN/FLAC? It seems to me that most of the WAVers have either dropped out of the Vineyard or converted. I don't want to bother wasting time burning WAV discs if they aren't needed. If WAVers are still here and signing up for vines, please post and I will be more than happy to continue including WAV cd's with most of my vines.
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what happened to Birdsong1969NJ? I know he has been vining for awhile and i noticed that there are some newer vines that got sent to him and have been immobile since. I don't think he would have killed any considering he was active couple months back after not being around for couple months cause i sent him a vine.
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once you go "flac," you never go back. I copy the flac dvds for archive storage and then burn CDRs off and on as time permits. I have not heard from birdsongNJ.
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Signing up for many vines at once. First of all welcome to the vineyard! Second, from experience, it is really easy to get overwhelmed when 2-3 vines a day start hitting your mail box. Just a very friendly heads up! We have gone to great lengths to re-seed all the vines that have been lost in the recent months and it would be extremely sad to lose all these again. Also please remember that communication is our best tool here!! If issues arise just post so that we know the vines are still alive and where they are. Thanks and enjoy all the music!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Welcome to the Vineyard, a truly wonderful place. I echo JSFC's sentiments, but would add that it might be wise to send a pm before forwarding a vine. This helps to ensure that the next person is still active and checking his/her messages. Unfortunately, some people come to the site, sign up for a number of vines, and then disappear from the site with a load of vines never to be heard from again. Peace, "That path is for, your steps alone."
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1 of the new guys here - actually first logged on to this site a couple years ago - just for the info at first. Been getting the dead.net emails for quite some time - but had to register to download the November goodies (thought I had already registered in the past). Well aware of the work that so many have put in and very appreciative! Thanks for the welcome. Wanted to pace myself - but the first few I signed up for seemed to be a month or more away - plus its kinda like the kid in the candy store, right. rest assured that I will be one of the responsible parties - and will post updates as has been asked of me. Thanks to all -zep. (just an online nickname based on my email addy)