• 1,335 replies
    marye
    Joined:
    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

Comments

sort by
Recent
Reset
  • pomo1
    Joined:
    Nice Analogy Lopezz
    Thanks for the explanation from us less technically knowledgeable souls. Does the same thing happen each time you save or copy a .wav file? From what I can gather from this topic, the answer would be no. "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." Albert Einstein
  • JackstrawfromC…
    Joined:
    Thanks for the explanation Lopezz
    A few weeks ago I tried converting an mp3 to wav just to see what would happen and the file ended up being a cda file when it was all said and done. cda files are the format you get if you buy a CD from the store. So I thought that was weird. I don't care that much as I would never convert mp3 to wav or flac anyways but I just wanted to understand it better... "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
  • Lopezz
    Joined:
    flac vs mp3
    A lot of you probably do not use audio editing software, but Mp3's are pretty much useless in that area. When I open a 50mb flac format song in Cool Edit Pro or Adobe Audition, it uncompresses to almost a gigabyte. Thats just one 10min song. I use this to get rid of tape hiss, or try and smooth over a tape flip. When I save the flac file in flac format it does not lose any information. I can open it and save it as often as I like and the information remains. Mp3's on the other hand will lose a little information every time I save them. For example, If the song were a painting: Compressing it in flac format would be like rolling it up and putting it in a tube. It would look the same the next time you open it. Compressing it in Mp3 format would be like folding it up and putting it in your pocket. Each time you opened it and put it away the folds and creases would get worse. A tale tell sign of an Mp3 in this condition is when no matter how loud you turn the voice and lead guitar sound muffeled. If you like Mp3's, cool. I use them in my Zen player and my wifes ipod. I dont see anything wrong with a Mp3 vine either. I sent That Nice Hippy Guy a Sublime concert in Mp3 format. It sounded pretty good! But please dont encode Mp3 back to flac. They will get mistaken for the real thing if the recipients of the file do not have the software to distinguish between the two. Thanks( I guess thats my 2 cents)
  • JackstrawfromC…
    Joined:
    fluffhead
    That's exactly what I do too. With a few CDs sprinkled in for good measure. I haven't found a way to flawlessly listen to my ipod in the car yet so that's where CDs are nice. "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
  • fluffhead042
    Default Avatar
    Joined:
    i hear you...
    but has anyone tested it? Just take take two cds, both with the same jam...one in mp3 format, one lossless (don't label which is which)...mix em up....and of course listen on the same speakers to control the experiment......after the fact write your guess as to which is which and see if u can tell a difference....I have not done this test myself but my theory is there would be no discernable difference between the two. That being said, I keep my shows in Lossless format on my external hard drive for archiving and compress to mp3 for personal use. "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
  • Exploratory Da…
    Joined:
    It's Loss
    Well, you have heard of lossless; MP3 is loss. If you convert the same audio file to wav and MP3, the MP3 file is smaller, and the bit rate is smaller too. Does it really matter? No. Does an MP3 sound good? Yes. But purists do not like MP3 because it does have subtle audio differences. Think of an MP3 as a second or third generation tape.
  • JackstrawfromC…
    Joined:
    So can anyone enlighten me..
    What exactly gets "lost" when converting to MP3?? I'm with some of you guys - I think MP3's on an ipod sound awesome. I haven't been able to figure out what I'm "missing" with an MP3?? "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
  • fluffhead042
    Default Avatar
    Joined:
    I dig....
    Yeah man, I dig mp3 too...I generally convert all of my lossless to mp3 (and keep the shnflac on an external hard drive) Mp3's are smokin.... I can groove for hours on end with no break of the vibe....put in a fatty mp3 disc and call it a day!!! I love it!!! (plus I cannot tell a difference on my car stereo or home stereo for that matter...with most shows)BUT....I still keep my Lossless archive for future listening/conversions when mp3's are obsolete....shnflac or lossless allows your collection to last the test of time....and we all need something 'built to last' "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
  • D00Dah
    Joined:
    I'm with Estim8ed...
    I too remember the not so distant days of trading tapes. mp3 at a decent bit rate puts me right where I need to be. Even when listening on headphones at high volume, every instrument is clear and crispy. I'll leave the archiving to the archivists, I want to listen. the 120gb of live Dead on my iPod keeps me groovin' down the road His job is to shed light, not to master...
  • Exploratory Da…
    Joined:
    howdy
    Good morning everybody. I got the urgent message in my inbox to get over here. I have a lot of reading and catching up to do. I will say this, with all the new vines being proposed, I feel like I am drowning. There is SO MUCH stuff to keep track of. Thanks for all your efforts. I wish I had more to contribute.
user picture

Member for

17 years 6 months
Forums
Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
user picture

Member for

16 years 6 months
Permalink

Thanks cosmicbadger.
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

14 years
Permalink

Hey there. Like zep I also truly appreciate all the kind heads that are seeding and vining here. I created a nice spreadsheet for my vines and will not let anyone down! Thanks again to all in the vineyard. You all rock! Joe (TheNuthatch)
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

16 years 2 months
Permalink

I discovered the "Vineyard" during the 30Days promo. Thanks to all the people who have contributed to this process and continue to do so. As I learn this process, please don't hesitate to send me PM with your comments or suggestions. I look forward to making my collection of shows available to others and picking up some great new music. Best Wishes to All and THANK YOU!! Jimmy
user picture

Member for

16 years 6 months
Permalink

Welcome Jimmy & Joe.
user picture

Member for

17 years 2 months
Permalink

Welcome Jimmy, Joe and others. Feel free to ask questions in this thread or even to PM me. In case you don't know, Trader's Little Helper is all you need for SHN/FLAC. Hope you stay for a long time!
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

Nice job man thanks a lot!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

17 years
Permalink

Just checkin in to say hello to all my vineyard friends . Life has been kinda odd for me, I have been out. On the road since august . Been all over this beautifully land of ours. Have missed all you guys and wanted to let you all know I am still alive . And while I am here welcome aboard to the new folks ! Take care everyone , gotta get back trucking ah ha ah ha .. " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "
user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Permalink

thanks for dropping by. Happy travels!
user picture

Member for

16 years 6 months
Permalink

Hey Stu. Glad to hear from you. Say warm down there in FL.
user picture

Member for

17 years 6 months
Permalink

nice to see you. Don't be a stranger.
user picture

Member for

17 years 2 months
Permalink

Give us some details if you have time. Hope you are well!
user picture

Member for

16 years 6 months
Permalink

I must have been three sheets to the wind when I typed this....
user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Permalink

I doubt anyone would have noticed had you not brought attention to your post. Welcome back, STUMAN. Thanks for the update Badger. Has anyone heard from Trevor/Hippie Guy? Its been a while. "That path is for, your steps alone."
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

16 years
Permalink

I received a pm from him back on Aug 11 in response to a reseed and he said he doesnt really do the vine stuff anymore. Thats the last I've heard from him. Hope all is well
user picture

Member for

17 years 2 months
Permalink

I chatted with him about a month ago and he said he was just taking some time off, doing some other things.
user picture

Member for

14 years
Permalink

got my first delivery today (from m.austin)hope I'm doing this stuff right - seems easy enough just a drag and drop to get it copied -except for the audio CDs- standard ripping for them. thanks to dstache for the Trader's Little Helper tips! Now to the individual vines to update them. Thanks All
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

17 years
Permalink

Well I got back on this big road back in august and only been home for 7 days in October. Have not had any time off since then. I missed my wedding anniversary, the wife birthday and will miss the holidays. Just try'n to get ahead in life. It's rough out here but it feels good to be back on this big road. If anyone wants to follow my travels I am on Facebook,, send me a friend request. You all drive safe , hope you all have a safe and happy holiday season ! " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "
user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Permalink

back in the vineyard, sorry for the vines I delayed, am devoting much of this weekend to getting out the vines that have been sitting with me nice to see the music is still going strong peace If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

16 years
Permalink

Glad to see that you are back
user picture

Member for

16 years 9 months
Permalink

Most of my computer troubles are behind me now (fingers crossed). I hope everyone here has a happy and safe holiday. Its good to see so many people, new and old still using the vineyard.
user picture

Member for

14 years 3 months
Permalink

how have you all accomodated viners across the big pond? do you actually send the vine to them, make a copy and send it to them, or what. a vine can just as easily die here as it could there.i know that there are viners here from overseas, but just curious as to what has been done in the past.
user picture

Member for

16 years 6 months
Permalink

I think we have had vines go all over the place from Canada, Europe, and to Australia and back. Other than lag-time, I don't recall any problems. I have mailed small packages to England, and I don't recall it being expensive--maybe a few dollars more. Use the US Post Office and not a private quick & ship business because it's a lot cheaper.
user picture

Member for

14 years 3 months
Permalink

traded discs across the pond, and it's almost less expensive to send to europe than it is to canada. just looking for some input here thats all.
user picture

Member for

17 years 2 months
Permalink

It used to be that we would set up Euro only vines, but as less Euros, and less Americans, are vining, that has gone the way of cassette tapes. I have recently sent a vine to Europe. I think it is fine. As long as postage isn't more than a few bucks more, I don't have a problem with it.
user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months
Permalink

Also, Happy Holidays to everyone. I had to comment that I just logged on there were only three members logged on. A few weeks ago when they were giving away a free download each day, there were HUNDREDS of people logged on all the time. My dad used to say that people would line up for dog crap--if it was being given away free. Its ironic when you think about how much free music is available to all here in the vineyard! "The sky was yellow and the sun was blue."
user picture

Member for

16 years 6 months
Permalink

Yep, I have been camped out here lately. The new guys like Jimmy and Matt have sorta brought new life to the vineyard--kinda energized the place. No offense, but I am glad it's not so crowded now because I had a hard time logging on during those peak "free giveaway" weeks. Merry Christmas all
user picture

Member for

16 years 9 months
Permalink

on the 30 days thing. Was there anything "new" released. By that I mean anything not in the vineyard or on Archive.org?
user picture

Member for

17 years 2 months
Permalink

I stopped paying attention the last 10 days, but there was at least 1, and I think at least 2 tracks, that came from either uncirculated shows or SBD sources. One was one of the Fall 81 acoustic shows. I think there was a 66-68 show too. They only released 1 song per day, and each day was a different show. What was remarkable to me was how good the sound quality was for some of this stuff. Officially releasing this stuff would upgrade the sound quality for some of these shows. Of course, that will never happen in our lifetime, at least not at a price that we would be willing to pay.
user picture

Member for

16 years 6 months
Permalink

sorry zepthompson; I forgot to include you as one of the new guys.
user picture

Member for

14 years
Permalink

especially when a new page comes along happy to be here and digging on all the fine music listening to Hot Tuna right now (from a FWGV vine) getting to know some new people - making new friends what its all about new to flac and wave format - but adjusting nicely Thanks guys! -zep. (for short - and easier to spell)
user picture

Member for

14 years
Permalink

Thanks to all the fine folk here Happy Holidays
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

14 years
Permalink

Everyone have a very Jerry Christmas and a Happy New Weir! (cheezy, but had to be said) Joe
user picture

Member for

15 years 10 months
Permalink

Hope all my vining friends are having an awesome holiday!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

16 years 7 months
Permalink

And for all those with wee ones have a Great time in a few hrs.Bless you all be safe. And have fun. Smiley Dave Do For Other's You Will Feel Better. Guaranteed!!!!
user picture

Member for

16 years 9 months
Permalink

IMHO 76 is without a doubt JGB at it's best. Followed by 77 & 78 of course. I know a lot of heads aren't fond of Donna in the Dead, but her and Jerry really had it together in the Jerry Garcia Band. To me 1976 JGB rivals the 1977 Grateful Dead run. Its really hard to find a bad show, you know. Awesome vine dstache!
user picture

Member for

17 years 2 months
Permalink

Here are the shows recommended by the editors and/or reviewers in the Compendium for the years 1990-1992. I omitted some shows I already have (presumably from vines) and those that I know have either been vined or officially released. I'm sure I missed some so please check before you vine anything. 1990: 9/7, 9/11, 9/12, 9/14, 9/15, 9/18 , 9/19, 10/17, 10/19, 10/20, 10/27, 10/30, 10/31, 12/3, 12/4, 12/9, 12/12, 12/13 and 12/14 12/12 is especially recommended. The Sept MSG (less 9/16 which has been officially released) and Dec Denver (12/12-14) runs would be tasty vine fodder. 1991 It seems like just about every show is supposed to be good. 3/20, 3/27, 3/31, 4/1, 4/3, 4/4, 4/5, 4/8, 4/27, 4/28, 5/3, 5/4, 5/5, 5/10, 5/11, 5/12, 6/6, 6/7, 6/9, 6/11, 6/12, 6/14, 6/17, 6/19, 6/20, 6/22, 6/24, 6/25, 6/28, 8/14, 8/16, 8/17, 8/18, 9/4, 9/6, 9/12, 9/13, 9/14, 9/18 and 10/31 3/31, 4/1, 6/14 and 6/17 are especially recommended. And although I did not list it above, because I already have it in A- AUD, the September Boston run (9/20-26) in SBD would be awesome! 1992 3/1, 3/2, 3/5, 3/6, 3/8, 3/9, 3/12, 3/13, 3/20, 5/21, 5/24, 5/29, 5/30, 5/31, 6/17, 6/18, 6/20, 6/23, 6/25, 6/28, 7/1, 12/5, 12/6, 12/12, 12/13, 12/16 and 12/17. 3/2, 5/31, 6/28 and 7/1 are especially recommended. The May Vegas run (5/29-31) looks to be one of the best. I'm basing all this on the Compendium, and they are not always right. If you have some hot shows that aren't listed, I am game to give 'em a listen. I will try to post re: 93-95 later this weekend.
user picture

Member for

14 years 3 months
Permalink

the Dec. Denver run (12,13, & 14). the first two nites bruce hornsby sits in with them. Excellent shows start to finish. Just got in after traveling to see family for the holidays and have a stack of vines to weed through. I'll get all the info to marye so she can give it a home.Happy New Year all!!!!
user picture

Member for

16 years 6 months
Permalink

I wish everyone a happy new year. I prefer '94 and '95 over late 80s and early 90s. Jerry's voice was clearer and less raspy.
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

16 years 2 months
Permalink

All, Great Work on the 90's information. Looking forward to seeing a new vine with some of the shows EDAD, maustin and dstache are mentioning. Thanks for letting us "new guys" be part of this community. Best New Years Wishes-Jimmy
user picture

Member for

17 years 2 months
Permalink

You guys are giving this space some much needed rejuvenation and I thank YOU! Maustin, thanks for the Denver December 90 run.
user picture

Member for

14 years
Permalink

Happy New Year 30 minutes away on the east coast 3 and half hours for us on the west coast glad you made it back home Matt going out to a karoke bar tonight with the wife and friends - wonder if they have some GD in their books haha cheers everyone!
user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

14 years
Permalink

Be safe and have fun tonight... and everyone have a great 2011! Thanks to all on the vineyard for a fantastic new hobby! Peace, Joe
user picture

Member for

17 years 2 months
Permalink

Here are the recommended shows from the Compendium for 93-95 1993 1/26, 2/22, 2/23, 3/10, 3/11, 3/16, 3/18, 3/20, 3/21, 3/22, 3/29, 4/2, 4/4, 5/16, 5/21, 5/23, 5/27, 6/6, 6/8, 6/9, 6/13, 6/15, 6/16, 6/22, 6/23, 6/25, 6/26, 8/21, 8/22, 9/12, 9/13, 9/14, 9/24, 9/25, 9/29, 9/30, 12/8, 12/9, 12/10, 12/17, 12/18 and 12/19 Especially recommended are 2/23, 6/9 and 9/12. The Mar Atlanta run (3/20-22) and Sept Philly run (9/12-14) look really nice. 1994 3/4, 3/6, 3/20, 3/27, 3/28, 3/30, 3/31, 4/4, 4/7, 6/19, 6/26, 7/2, 7/3, 7/20, 7/21, 7/23, 7/24, 7/27, 7/29, 7/31, 8/1, 9/16, 9/17, 9/24, 10/5, 10/13, 10/15, 10/16, 10/18, 10/19, 11/29, 12/1, 12/15 and 12/16 The Oct MSG run (10/13-19 with 10/14 having already been vined) looks especially good. 1995 3/17, 3/18, 3/19, 3/22, 3/23, 3/29, 3/30, 4/1, 4/2, 4/5, 4/7, 5/21, 5/24, 5/25, 5/26, 6/2, 6/3, 6/4, 6/21, 6/22, 6/25 and 6/28 Especially recommended is 5/26. The March Philly (3/17-19) and May Seattle (5/24-26) runs would be great vines. Thanks everyone!