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    Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.

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  • noonie
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    my thoughts......
    the whole shn /flac /mps things it just a matter of personal taste...some people care some don't..personally i am in to shn/flac just saves of space, time copying, and it sounds better but that is my opion....we are are all here as a community to share the music of the grateful dead......the one thing i think all of us needs to remember is, its not our music we did not createt it we do not own it as a personal possesion, but we do looooove it and cherish it . The grateful dead where nice enough to allowing tapeing and tradeing. Lets just all sit back and enjoy this precious gift we have been given....i remember listening to tapes all warped left in the sun, some one spilling bong water on them, and just dancing my ass off and just digin every fuck up sound coming from my speakers. so i remember we had this one tape that cut out right in the middle of drums blank for about 1 1/2 so we decide that was when the audiance was suppose to play and we would drum on anything around us...fun times .anywhooo...thats my opion let you life proceed by its own design fare the well now
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    mp3 format converted to flac?
    WHOA HOLD UP... this is a big no no...mp3 could be traded or vined...but that needs to be listed as such...not only did the Grateful Dead standardize the quality of many things in popular music...so did the taping community...frankly, mp3 is what it is...a super compressed digital format...I mean really digital is bad enough for frequency range, so for somebody to actually seed something that was MP3 and encode it to flac...that's really , really lame...and if done on purpose is tantamountly lame... This really should not happen whatsoever, I did see a "best of summer" DVD as a add on from a vine as MP3 , and that was OK, but I passed...as I don't really need to listen to that format and if I do : I will convert whatever music as I see fit... It really comes down to quality...I KNOW MP3 is convienent but as a standard of quality it really pales in comparison to .wav files or lossless files converted to .wav aka "standard red book CD format quality" - now some 24 bit at 96 kHz stuff might be interesting to seed later....but this would be played through a DVD player to handle such encodement... MP3 SEEDS AS FLAC IS WAY WAY LAME - KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING WHEN SEEDING - PLEASE FOR EVERYBODY'S SAKE.... Ursa Minor http://www.myspace.com/donnieloeffler "the warm wet world of analog audio"
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    i don't understand a word of the computerspeak goin' on here, but i wanna say thanx to all who have sent my son and i shows on cd. i have hours of audio on video tape cuz it was a convenient way to record stuff off the radio, either fm broadcasts, or gd hour marathons. someday when my brain is not so mushy (ha!, like that's ever gonna happen!) i can solicit help in transferring the info to a more modern listening format but it's like trying to learn a new language with a knot yanked in yer tongue!
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    Rockbox ehh?
    Thanks for the info CB! Man that would be perfect! "I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
  • cosmicbadger
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    1. flac files can of course easily be converted to WAV and burnt to CDs. That is what I do for the car stereo and for favourite shows 2. The Cowon iaudio series of portable players can play FLACs (and WAVs but not SHNs) directly. www dot cowonglobal dot com If you are buying a new player it may be worth considering. Greg MacFarlane has one. 3. It is now possible to convert many MP3 players to play FLACs and SHNs (as well as MP3s) by installing a cool and free programme called Rockbox. www dot rockbox dot org I converted my ipod to Rockbox just by following the instructions and can now load and play flacs and shns directly for mobile lossless listening pleasure without having to convert to MP3. Of course they take up a lot more disc space hth CB
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    I agree with Cosmic, any shows that are sourced from Lossless Legs are not MP3's converted back to a lossless format. The folks there would never permit this to happen - the hard core traders run a spectrum analysis on the music and if it were Lossy data they would yank that torrent right down. "when life looks like easy street, there is danger at your door"
  • Oroboros
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    I echo the sentiment of cosmic badger and offer thanks to all who share this wonderful music so well in this forum (and thanks to marye for her kind assistance). That said, I also state that I am not big into the flac offerings. My computer is not hooked up to my stereo in any fashion and when I want to listen, I pop one the grate shows I got from the vineyard into my stereo and crank it. I am not a big 'headphones' kind of guy (unless it is late night listening, out of consideration for my wife.) I do see the value of the flac and even loading the shows into the computers 'hard drive' for storage. Forgive me, like some of my other cohorts (dwindling numbers as we speak), I appreciate and will continue to sign up for the CDs, as they are most conveient for my uses (in my recent trip to Minn we listened to the vineyards aural treasures for 10 hours). Maybe in the future I will take up some of the offers to send 'hard drives' to have years of GD or JGB 'loaded' onto them. Where I sit right now is being thankful to all who share, grateful that I was able to share, and just got to smile, smile, smile, when I think of what trading and sharing consisted of in the old daze. We got it good people. Let's maintain the positive vibe and continue to spead the joy. The Truth is realized in an instant, the act is practiced step by step.
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    1. IMHO everyone who takes the trouble to assemble some shows and share them on the vines is a superstar (whatever the content, quantity or name of the vines). Establishing hierarchies, competing and bitching are unnecessary and undermine the integrity of this place. Why do it? 2. It all boils down to this. Trade losslessly and do not insert MP3 generations. WAV, FLAC and SHN are lossless formats. FLAC is the most convenient and the most popular because the data files are smaller and easy to copy and convert to anything else. It takes 30 minutes to learn how to deal with FLACs 3. The shows traded losslessly on LL were not downloaded from Archive as MP3s. If there was an MP3 generation in those files it would be shown in the provenance of the show. Before the clamp down on Grateful Dead SBDs all those shows were uploaded (and downloadable) as FLAC or SHN files by a wonderful community of people wishing to share and archive everything in perpetual lossless format. In fact the auds on archive still are downloadable in Lossless formats but only on a file by file basis; just scroll down the page and you will see that you have a choice of formats. It was once like this for the SBDs too. If you want the FLACs you can save yourself a lot of time and trouble by using the ‘Down’ em all’ plug in for Firefox, which will grab all the files for you in one go. Have a nice weekend CB
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    JGB 74 and all of 77
    Hell yea I`m stoked for that too !! and a 68 vine , oh yea that too I can`t wait for !! Back to mp3/shn/flac for a momemt , all I know is that shn/flac does in fact sound better to me as of my recent discovery of Foobar 2000 . But I guise it also depends on the systme you are using to play said music . I don`t know too much about WAV formats . But I do know that there are people seeding shn/flac on shn/flac.net that have been dowed from arcives.org , wich we know that is all mp3 format .. to my ears shn/flac does sound better to me then mp3 and with the correct equipment it can be played on my car radio . And I`m quite sure that some vines that where seeded here have been in mp3 format at one time or another . now that I think of it I`m sure I seeded shn/flac vies that where mp3 at one time and not even realize it at the time , but i do keep a better eye out for the mp3 to shn/flac when i down anything from shn/flac.net or any other site . Man this can all get way to confusing for me so I think I`ll exit this conversation . Way too many different formats !! I agree with Unclejon lets just enjoy the music as it is ( was ) intended to be .. Hope you all have a Grate weekend !! Peace .. Stu ..
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    for JGB '74...and can't wait for ALL of 1979 (all good things in all good time). "In a bed, in a bed, by the waterside I will lay my head. Listen to the river sing sweet songs, to rock my soul."
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Got ideas for how things should be run differently in the Vineyard? Improvements? Suggestions? Brainstorms? Truckloads of fertilizer? Post here.,On the floor at MSG... one perfect song after another...and we were beyond elated with disbelief and gratitude. This was truely a fantasy set list and, in my opinion, the best of my 8 show run.
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Thanks cosmicbadger.
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Hey there. Like zep I also truly appreciate all the kind heads that are seeding and vining here. I created a nice spreadsheet for my vines and will not let anyone down! Thanks again to all in the vineyard. You all rock! Joe (TheNuthatch)
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I discovered the "Vineyard" during the 30Days promo. Thanks to all the people who have contributed to this process and continue to do so. As I learn this process, please don't hesitate to send me PM with your comments or suggestions. I look forward to making my collection of shows available to others and picking up some great new music. Best Wishes to All and THANK YOU!! Jimmy
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Welcome Jimmy & Joe.
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Welcome Jimmy, Joe and others. Feel free to ask questions in this thread or even to PM me. In case you don't know, Trader's Little Helper is all you need for SHN/FLAC. Hope you stay for a long time!
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Nice job man thanks a lot!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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Just checkin in to say hello to all my vineyard friends . Life has been kinda odd for me, I have been out. On the road since august . Been all over this beautifully land of ours. Have missed all you guys and wanted to let you all know I am still alive . And while I am here welcome aboard to the new folks ! Take care everyone , gotta get back trucking ah ha ah ha .. " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "
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thanks for dropping by. Happy travels!
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Hey Stu. Glad to hear from you. Say warm down there in FL.
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nice to see you. Don't be a stranger.
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Give us some details if you have time. Hope you are well!
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I must have been three sheets to the wind when I typed this....
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I doubt anyone would have noticed had you not brought attention to your post. Welcome back, STUMAN. Thanks for the update Badger. Has anyone heard from Trevor/Hippie Guy? Its been a while. "That path is for, your steps alone."
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I received a pm from him back on Aug 11 in response to a reseed and he said he doesnt really do the vine stuff anymore. Thats the last I've heard from him. Hope all is well
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I chatted with him about a month ago and he said he was just taking some time off, doing some other things.
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got my first delivery today (from m.austin)hope I'm doing this stuff right - seems easy enough just a drag and drop to get it copied -except for the audio CDs- standard ripping for them. thanks to dstache for the Trader's Little Helper tips! Now to the individual vines to update them. Thanks All
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Well I got back on this big road back in august and only been home for 7 days in October. Have not had any time off since then. I missed my wedding anniversary, the wife birthday and will miss the holidays. Just try'n to get ahead in life. It's rough out here but it feels good to be back on this big road. If anyone wants to follow my travels I am on Facebook,, send me a friend request. You all drive safe , hope you all have a safe and happy holiday season ! " Life is`nt about running from the storm, it`s about learning to dance in the rain "
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back in the vineyard, sorry for the vines I delayed, am devoting much of this weekend to getting out the vines that have been sitting with me nice to see the music is still going strong peace If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite. William Blake
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Glad to see that you are back
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Most of my computer troubles are behind me now (fingers crossed). I hope everyone here has a happy and safe holiday. Its good to see so many people, new and old still using the vineyard.
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how have you all accomodated viners across the big pond? do you actually send the vine to them, make a copy and send it to them, or what. a vine can just as easily die here as it could there.i know that there are viners here from overseas, but just curious as to what has been done in the past.
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I think we have had vines go all over the place from Canada, Europe, and to Australia and back. Other than lag-time, I don't recall any problems. I have mailed small packages to England, and I don't recall it being expensive--maybe a few dollars more. Use the US Post Office and not a private quick & ship business because it's a lot cheaper.
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traded discs across the pond, and it's almost less expensive to send to europe than it is to canada. just looking for some input here thats all.
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It used to be that we would set up Euro only vines, but as less Euros, and less Americans, are vining, that has gone the way of cassette tapes. I have recently sent a vine to Europe. I think it is fine. As long as postage isn't more than a few bucks more, I don't have a problem with it.
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Also, Happy Holidays to everyone. I had to comment that I just logged on there were only three members logged on. A few weeks ago when they were giving away a free download each day, there were HUNDREDS of people logged on all the time. My dad used to say that people would line up for dog crap--if it was being given away free. Its ironic when you think about how much free music is available to all here in the vineyard! "The sky was yellow and the sun was blue."
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Yep, I have been camped out here lately. The new guys like Jimmy and Matt have sorta brought new life to the vineyard--kinda energized the place. No offense, but I am glad it's not so crowded now because I had a hard time logging on during those peak "free giveaway" weeks. Merry Christmas all
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on the 30 days thing. Was there anything "new" released. By that I mean anything not in the vineyard or on Archive.org?
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I stopped paying attention the last 10 days, but there was at least 1, and I think at least 2 tracks, that came from either uncirculated shows or SBD sources. One was one of the Fall 81 acoustic shows. I think there was a 66-68 show too. They only released 1 song per day, and each day was a different show. What was remarkable to me was how good the sound quality was for some of this stuff. Officially releasing this stuff would upgrade the sound quality for some of these shows. Of course, that will never happen in our lifetime, at least not at a price that we would be willing to pay.
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sorry zepthompson; I forgot to include you as one of the new guys.
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especially when a new page comes along happy to be here and digging on all the fine music listening to Hot Tuna right now (from a FWGV vine) getting to know some new people - making new friends what its all about new to flac and wave format - but adjusting nicely Thanks guys! -zep. (for short - and easier to spell)
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Thanks to all the fine folk here Happy Holidays
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Everyone have a very Jerry Christmas and a Happy New Weir! (cheezy, but had to be said) Joe
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Hope all my vining friends are having an awesome holiday!! "It's got no signs or dividing line and very few rules to guide"
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And for all those with wee ones have a Great time in a few hrs.Bless you all be safe. And have fun. Smiley Dave Do For Other's You Will Feel Better. Guaranteed!!!!
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IMHO 76 is without a doubt JGB at it's best. Followed by 77 & 78 of course. I know a lot of heads aren't fond of Donna in the Dead, but her and Jerry really had it together in the Jerry Garcia Band. To me 1976 JGB rivals the 1977 Grateful Dead run. Its really hard to find a bad show, you know. Awesome vine dstache!
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Here are the shows recommended by the editors and/or reviewers in the Compendium for the years 1990-1992. I omitted some shows I already have (presumably from vines) and those that I know have either been vined or officially released. I'm sure I missed some so please check before you vine anything. 1990: 9/7, 9/11, 9/12, 9/14, 9/15, 9/18 , 9/19, 10/17, 10/19, 10/20, 10/27, 10/30, 10/31, 12/3, 12/4, 12/9, 12/12, 12/13 and 12/14 12/12 is especially recommended. The Sept MSG (less 9/16 which has been officially released) and Dec Denver (12/12-14) runs would be tasty vine fodder. 1991 It seems like just about every show is supposed to be good. 3/20, 3/27, 3/31, 4/1, 4/3, 4/4, 4/5, 4/8, 4/27, 4/28, 5/3, 5/4, 5/5, 5/10, 5/11, 5/12, 6/6, 6/7, 6/9, 6/11, 6/12, 6/14, 6/17, 6/19, 6/20, 6/22, 6/24, 6/25, 6/28, 8/14, 8/16, 8/17, 8/18, 9/4, 9/6, 9/12, 9/13, 9/14, 9/18 and 10/31 3/31, 4/1, 6/14 and 6/17 are especially recommended. And although I did not list it above, because I already have it in A- AUD, the September Boston run (9/20-26) in SBD would be awesome! 1992 3/1, 3/2, 3/5, 3/6, 3/8, 3/9, 3/12, 3/13, 3/20, 5/21, 5/24, 5/29, 5/30, 5/31, 6/17, 6/18, 6/20, 6/23, 6/25, 6/28, 7/1, 12/5, 12/6, 12/12, 12/13, 12/16 and 12/17. 3/2, 5/31, 6/28 and 7/1 are especially recommended. The May Vegas run (5/29-31) looks to be one of the best. I'm basing all this on the Compendium, and they are not always right. If you have some hot shows that aren't listed, I am game to give 'em a listen. I will try to post re: 93-95 later this weekend.
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the Dec. Denver run (12,13, & 14). the first two nites bruce hornsby sits in with them. Excellent shows start to finish. Just got in after traveling to see family for the holidays and have a stack of vines to weed through. I'll get all the info to marye so she can give it a home.Happy New Year all!!!!
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I wish everyone a happy new year. I prefer '94 and '95 over late 80s and early 90s. Jerry's voice was clearer and less raspy.
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All, Great Work on the 90's information. Looking forward to seeing a new vine with some of the shows EDAD, maustin and dstache are mentioning. Thanks for letting us "new guys" be part of this community. Best New Years Wishes-Jimmy
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You guys are giving this space some much needed rejuvenation and I thank YOU! Maustin, thanks for the Denver December 90 run.
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Happy New Year 30 minutes away on the east coast 3 and half hours for us on the west coast glad you made it back home Matt going out to a karoke bar tonight with the wife and friends - wonder if they have some GD in their books haha cheers everyone!
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Be safe and have fun tonight... and everyone have a great 2011! Thanks to all on the vineyard for a fantastic new hobby! Peace, Joe
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Here are the recommended shows from the Compendium for 93-95 1993 1/26, 2/22, 2/23, 3/10, 3/11, 3/16, 3/18, 3/20, 3/21, 3/22, 3/29, 4/2, 4/4, 5/16, 5/21, 5/23, 5/27, 6/6, 6/8, 6/9, 6/13, 6/15, 6/16, 6/22, 6/23, 6/25, 6/26, 8/21, 8/22, 9/12, 9/13, 9/14, 9/24, 9/25, 9/29, 9/30, 12/8, 12/9, 12/10, 12/17, 12/18 and 12/19 Especially recommended are 2/23, 6/9 and 9/12. The Mar Atlanta run (3/20-22) and Sept Philly run (9/12-14) look really nice. 1994 3/4, 3/6, 3/20, 3/27, 3/28, 3/30, 3/31, 4/4, 4/7, 6/19, 6/26, 7/2, 7/3, 7/20, 7/21, 7/23, 7/24, 7/27, 7/29, 7/31, 8/1, 9/16, 9/17, 9/24, 10/5, 10/13, 10/15, 10/16, 10/18, 10/19, 11/29, 12/1, 12/15 and 12/16 The Oct MSG run (10/13-19 with 10/14 having already been vined) looks especially good. 1995 3/17, 3/18, 3/19, 3/22, 3/23, 3/29, 3/30, 4/1, 4/2, 4/5, 4/7, 5/21, 5/24, 5/25, 5/26, 6/2, 6/3, 6/4, 6/21, 6/22, 6/25 and 6/28 Especially recommended is 5/26. The March Philly (3/17-19) and May Seattle (5/24-26) runs would be great vines. Thanks everyone!