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    Dave's Picks Volume 28: Capitol Theatre, Passaic, NJ, 6/17/76

    This year's Dave's Picks series comes to a close just as the band's getting back together again in '76. By the time the Grateful Dead hit New Jersey’s Capitol Theatre - for the very first time - on 6/17/76, they were buzzing from their reunion, armed with new and revived material, the Rhythm Devils reformed with the mischievous Mickey Hart once again behind the kit. They'd skived off the unwieldy Wall of Sound and scaled back the venues from cavernous arenas to intimate theatres. Quite the treat!

    During the first set, the Dead's playing was nuanced ("Cold Rain And Snow"), detailed ("Looks Like Rain"), and intricate ("The Music Never Stopped"); the singing struck softly ("Row Jimmy") and raised hairs ("Ship Of Fools"). But it’s the big barreling energy of the second set you’ll want to brace yourself for, replete with a disco'd "Dancing In The Streets," a low-down funky “Help”>”Slip”>”Franklin's” and a wind 'em up to wind down "Let It Grow">"Wharf Rat">"Around and Around." Can you keep up? There's only one way to find out.

    This complete show, balanced out with a couple of bonus tracks from 6/23/76 and 6/28/76, was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

    Dave's Picks Volume 28 is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.

    Grab a copy before they're gone, gone, gone.

    *Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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    Surround / Two Track Mix

    Correct.. but usually if they go through the effort to create a surround sound mix, they toss in a remastered stereo mix too.. which does sometimes sound better than the original stereo mix.

    Speaking of remixed multi-tracks, I listened to parts of the 10/8/89 and 10/9/89 Hampton Formerly the Warlocks shows. I had forgotten how powerful that slipknot! was on the 10/8 Help/Slip/Franklins breakout. I know the DS gets all the hype from this run, but don't overlook the H/S/F's and Morning Dew from the night before.. plus that haunting Death Don't Have No Mercy and soulful Attics are a real treat. The sound is good, but not as good the Spring 90 TOO boxset. Oh well, still two great shows regardless of era.

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    Playing a 2-track stereo mix on a 5.1 surround system won’t get you any added benefit, and it may not even sound as good as on a stereo.

    I’m not sure if a studio recording will gain anything by being mixed in 5.1, but a live recording seems to get a fuller, fill-the-room feel (although I did see comments that Quadrophenia sounds great). The recently released Song Remains The Same on BluRay audio sounds awesome; mixed from the original multi tracks to hi-res Blu-ray audio. With Blu-ray audio you get hi-res lossless, but you still need the TV turned on to navigate through the menu.
    What system you have also matters. I have an Onkyo 5.1 Home Theater system, not too pricey and sounds great, but the Blu-ray player makes a big difference. Originally I had a Samsung player, but when I got the Fare Thee Well Blu-rays the sound wasn’t that great. I then ponied up for an Onkyo player to go with the Onkyo 5.1 system and the improvement in sound quality was amazing. I think that the Samsung player (~$70) is just meant for playing movies, whereas the Onkyo player has a better audio chip in it.

    The other thing about Blu-ray audio is that you usually get both the 5.1 and stereo mixes, so you can do your own comparison.

    But what do I know, I’ve started buying vinyl too......

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    Yes, that makes sense that a disc would need to be remixed specifically for surround sound for optimum effect. Maybe a bit like how an album needs to be mixed specifically for vinyl, to get the best sound, rather than using the same mix that has been released on cd. Obviously, I am straying out of my comfort zone talking about such issues.

    I have had surround sound - blu ray discs at that-thrust on me somewhat through buying box sets. This last day or so I have been listening to the studio albums from King Crimson's "Sailors Tales" box set-Wake of Poseidon, Lizard and Islands. They sound, in their stereo version on cd, simply amazing. But there are also blu ray discs with the same material mixed for surround sound. I can't help wondering what I am missing out on-if anything.

    Conversely several 1960s albums sound better in mono-Piper At The Gates of Dawn and Sergeant Pepper come to mind. There seems to be too much choice, in a way. I often put a disc in-this obviously applies to films too - and am perplexed by the range of options concerning sound. This abundance of choice isn't confined to sound, either. Try buying a coffee in London.

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    I'll give my humble opinion without going too deep into the technical rabbit hole.

    I rarely listen to straight music on surround sound and I don't have many albums remixed for surround sound (DVD Audio of American Beauty and Workingman's Dead come to mind). But lots of older stuff is getting re-released as Blu Ray audio DVDs (like The Grateful Dead Movie some years back).

    I pay attention when something is remixed for Blu Ray. I believe the Ice Cream Cone Kid sort of started this side trip talking about great sound on the reissue of The Song Remains The Same on Blu Ray. Since there are more tracks and more audio storage capacity built into this medium (left front, right front, center front, subwoofer, left back, right back).. this necessitates a remix to take advantage of the new sound options. If they do a really good job on the re-mix it can make a big difference both played back in Surround Sound or as stereo.

    So it's both the sound and hopefully a more insightful mix that can make it worthwhile. It seems more prevalent in concert DVDs and movies, less options for standard albums. There's more to it but that's my simplified, boiled down take. If I have something wrong/distorted/omitted, hopefully someone will chime in with other insights.

    Where's wjonjd when you need him?

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    You would recommend surround sound then? I haven't got it, but a lot of these box sets and anniversary releases seem to have discs with this sort of sound. The new version of Electric Ladyland boasts a surround sound disc, I notice, and I have numerous King Crimson discs also with surround sound lying dormant in the box.

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    Finally bought the last hole in my dead DVD collection, Trucking up to Buffalo. Have owned the CDs for years. Man, what a great show on DVD. 5.1 surround
    sound and it sounds great, brings back a lot of good memories for how shows were in the late 80s. It has been almost 9 years since we have had a video release, with CW & I being the last in 2010. I would love to see them get back to releasing some more late 80s shows as well as 1990s. How great would it be to have some of those Spring 1990 shows in blue-ray with surround sound. I know I would be all over that.

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    https://www.deadheadland.com/2015/04/01/video-grateful-dead-get-barney-…

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    My favorite dinosaur was and is....

    ....wait for it....the ankylosaurus. A tank with legs. Am I doing this right? Currently spinning St. Lou 5.15.77. I know I'm doing that right.

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    .....I've always known high priests are good for something! Just have to wait 4000+ years for exhumation. So party it will be. Sounds like a good ride for Me and My Abrictosaurus.

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    Archaeologists in Egypt have made an exciting tomb discovery - the final resting place of a high priest, untouched for 4,400 years. Mostafa Waziri, secretary-general of the Supreme Council of Antiquities, described the find as "one of a kind in the last decades".

    This is obviously secret code to play From Egypt with Love or the October 78 Winterland road trip shows, July 78.. it matters not. I don't take these things lightly.. what have we to lose? Besides.. discovering 4,400 year old treasures deserves a little celebratory activities.

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Dave's Picks Volume 28: Capitol Theatre, Passaic, NJ, 6/17/76

This year's Dave's Picks series comes to a close just as the band's getting back together again in '76. By the time the Grateful Dead hit New Jersey’s Capitol Theatre - for the very first time - on 6/17/76, they were buzzing from their reunion, armed with new and revived material, the Rhythm Devils reformed with the mischievous Mickey Hart once again behind the kit. They'd skived off the unwieldy Wall of Sound and scaled back the venues from cavernous arenas to intimate theatres. Quite the treat!

During the first set, the Dead's playing was nuanced ("Cold Rain And Snow"), detailed ("Looks Like Rain"), and intricate ("The Music Never Stopped"); the singing struck softly ("Row Jimmy") and raised hairs ("Ship Of Fools"). But it’s the big barreling energy of the second set you’ll want to brace yourself for, replete with a disco'd "Dancing In The Streets," a low-down funky “Help”>”Slip”>”Franklin's” and a wind 'em up to wind down "Let It Grow">"Wharf Rat">"Around and Around." Can you keep up? There's only one way to find out.

This complete show, balanced out with a couple of bonus tracks from 6/23/76 and 6/28/76, was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Dave's Picks Volume 28 is limited to 18,000 individually-numbered copies*.

Grab a copy before they're gone, gone, gone.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Listening to it sequentially is like eating an IBM machine.. it took me six months to fully digest it.

It gets mixed reviews, probably deservedly.. there are a few tent pole shows that make the whole thing worthwhile, and many absolutely killer shows that come in just under that bar. There are a few that might not be mandatory revisits, and the project created a precident where patches and cuts made their way into official releases which many were not used to. But once you get that behind you, it's the off the radar shows that seal the deal. 84, 87, 91, 85 and the later era shows come to mind (I think I left out some highlights..it's late). Even 86 has wind beneath it's sails.

I don't know if its a must have, but I still drink from that well regularly and still find surprises and new areas to explore. Expensive? Yes, but simply because there is so much there.. the per disc/ per show price is the same as it ever was.

Edit: I think the sound, excluding the shows where the masters were subpar (the cassette master years), is very good.

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No regrets here, that box is among the highlights of my collection. As Jim noted, it does take a while to fully digest, but there is a ton of good stuff there. I have listened to the shows from '69-'75 the most, multiple times each, followed by '77, 82, and '87, but I have listened to almost all the shows a couple times or more. The '82 show is probably the worst recording quality in the box, but the show itself is strong enough that the sound quality is no too distracting once I adjust to it, and the '69 Dreambowl show is, in my mind, neck and neck with 2/27/69 Fillmore West show, the source of the classic Darkstar on Live Dead. I could go on, but suffice it to say, it is full of good stuff. Arthur Morgan would approve.

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Summer 85 isn't exactly a secret, but I agree with Jim and others...some nice gems in this box to be found from the 80s. The 85 show is one I go back to more often that I would have thought. Actually the shows from 82-87 in general have been played a lot in my house. All great stuff.

....yes. He probably would, but you know he would steal it, not pay for it. I know a few of you are playing Red Dead Redemption 2. Simply the most incredible video game i have ever put my hands on. Rockstar pulled out all the stops on this one. All my horses are named after Dead songs. Now if you excuse me, i need to go brush Supplication and feed him some apples.

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I suspected I was not the only one on these threads that might be digging that game. Definitely a game that elevates video games to something more than they have been in the past. That western vibe puts me in the mood for some of the Dead's cowboy tunes.

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....I discovered comics. Fantastic Four, Ghost Rider, Spider-Man, Incredible Hulk, and on and on. And that's just Marvel. Still have a dozen long boxes of them. I'm younger than Unkle Sam, so in my day they were a 20¢.... I knew this day would come. Doesn't make it hurt any less. Excelsior to you. The Hugh Hefner and Jerry Garcia of comics. Godspeed Stan. Thanos ain't got shit on you. 💪

I think Dave does the best job when not only the release fills you with joy, but inspires you to spend more time with additional shows from the era. This release does exactly that (at least for me). I've done nothing but listen to shows from 1976 for the past 2 weeks. Been mostly spending time with the June shows but also listened to the Cow Palace NYE show the other night. Man, what a great show. Cool setlist, cool and different vibe to a few of the songs, a PITB that stands the test of time...and then out of seemingly nowhere, a Morning Dew that blows the roof off of an otherwise chilled out show. thanks Dave for sending me down this rabbit hole

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Finally got hold of DaP28, looking forward to listening, not listened to much 76 compared to most years.

#23 has to be the lowest number I'll ever get (I care about the numbers more than most, no idea why since they're pretty meaningless!), so that was a nice surprise.

Can't wait for the new year of DaP and another box on the way!

Hope everyone's well!

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I noticed you didn't mention the 1978 show from 30 Trips. Possibly the most overlooked show from the box. It ranks very high against other '78 shows, IMHO. Contains the only officially released Mississippi Half-Step from that year (and a damn good version of it). 17 minute Let It Grow. Also one of the best standalone versions of this tune, top 3 in my book. Killer keyboard work from my compadre Keith on They Love Each Other. Very nice Cassidy and Brown-Eyed Women (check out Jerry's solo). And that's just the first set. Solid Samson & Delilah, which benefits more than most from the Wolf; and one of the top 3 or 4 Estimated Prophets (complete with extended early solo from Jerry - almost 2 minutes of pure bliss there). Anything in 1978 after April was hit or miss, and they definitely hit on this one. Oodles better than the two shows on DP 25, to my ears anyway.

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Speaking of top versions of Estimated Prophet, yesterday I listened to 11-13-87, and that one went straight to the top. If this version isn't in your top 3-4 give it a listen and let me know what you think.

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Thanks for the reminder, I'll have to go back and give that '78 show another listen soon. That 30 Trips box has a ton of great stuff, particularly that awesome '73 show you referenced on the DaP 2019 thread.

Honestly, since the 30 Trips Box came out, which was right after I finished picking up the Europe '72 shows, there have been so many great releases that I haven't fully digested all of them. I've listened to it all at least a couple of times, but I don't think that I fully absorbed the details and intricacy of each show. I'm on about the 3rd or 4th listen of the PNW Box, that has been my primary dead listening since it came out, sometimes I can't get enough of that '73-'74 sound.

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Is that an official release? Driving right now, limited hands.

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Keithfan...that show features my all time favorite Samson.

Also, if not mistaken, there is a really wild Around & Around. Really high energy show - definitely worth everyone's time.

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No, not an official release..

I'd be surprised if VGuy wasn't there??? I will have to give that a listen too. If anyone wants it, (or anything else really that hasn't been released) send me a PM and we will figure out a way.

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Thanks, took it a few days after seeing Dead and Co in Boulder last year, in canyonlands, trip of a lifetime. That second Boulder show was incredible start to finish. Apparently the one this year wasn't bad either. Great part of the world

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A tremendous picker and nice guy all around; at least one tune in common with Jerry: Magnificent Sanctuary Band

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Oh man..

I can't say Country is my thing, after a few Me and My Uncles.. I need a break..

But I had a lot of respect for Roy Clark. He was a great guitarist.

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yesterday's weather brought the NYC/NJ area to a standstill (thanks to poor planning...)

While I was stuck in the car however, I got some quality listening time in. I moved off my 76 phase and dove right into late fall 79. 11/5 & 12/1 were on my list yesterday. Man, I'd love to see more releases from this era (though the ones we have are pretty sweet).

Re country: also, not my thing, but I do love El Paso, mama tried, and big river in particular. MAMU was definitely done to death, but the versions from 1970 or so are pretty solid and always worth a listen...

To me, the year the Dead really got to grips with country , live, was 1971. The country songs, and country based songs they played at shows during 1969 and 1970 always sound a bit awkward to me. But in 1971, both in terms of singing and playing, the pieces all seemed to drop into place. And stayed there. Having said that, both Workingmans Dead and American Beauty are great albums. Its just that the songs on those albums didn't translate to the live arena straight away.

But I never really got into country music per se either. Not like I did with blues. When I realised that a lot of the music I liked was based on blues I started listening to as many real blues musicians-as opposed to rock musicians playing blues - as I could. This would be in the late 70s. Everything from the early 1920s onwards. For some reason, country music never captured my imagination in quite the same way.

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Not really a big country music fan, but some of it is essential. Johnny Cash for example has a number of classic songs, and really the entire Live At Folsom Prison album is essential in my view. Folsom Prison Blues is a masterpiece and the performance live at the prison is beyond compare, I can't play it too loud. And later on his take on Rusty Cage and Hurt Myself Today are just about perfect, especially his version of Hurt Myself Today which is haunting. And what about Boy Named Sue? Is there a song with a better story? Can you listen to that song and not feel something?

A turning point on my country music appreciation came when I was fiending on Grand Theft Auto V, cruising around listening to the in-game radio stations, and eventually listening through the country station playlist of classic country - Willie Nelson's Whiskey River is now etched in my brain. Willie's song Crazy is a classic, whether he performs it or whether it is Patsy Cline singing it. Definitely worth checking out some of the classic country music, can't really say anything about modern country as I haven't checked it out. Just my two cents on the country music topic.

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Yes-that is a great album. I used to love listening to that on the longish-long for England-drives cross country I used to do a few years back. I actually saw him live, too, round about 1987. I can remember he did "Big River" which I only knew as a Dead tune at the time. But he had a great voice. Whenever I hear a record by him, and he starts singing, I stop what I am doing, or thinking about, and tune in.

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I'm a big early Country fan(early Blues too); check out the Carter Family, Jimmie Rodgers, the Delmore Brothers, Bob Wills, Tex Williams, Red Foley, Hank Williams, Roy Acuff, Sons of the Pioneers, Hank Penny, Merle Travis, and so many more.
In my opinion Johnny Cash's 50s Sun records are his best(I walk the Line, Hey Porter, etc.)
Whoever said 1971 was when the Dead started to sound good on C&W tunes was spot on.
By the way, I can't find the comments section for the PNW box...anyone else?

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What seems to work for me is picking the "Community" option top right. Then faced with a number of headed options, I go for "Dead products", bottom left. Hey presto, a list of topics under discussion appear. They seem to be in a random order, but all recent releases-Dave Picks, the 73/74 box, the new dvd/bu ray, the subscriptions are there if you scroll down.

The easiest way to get to them is to bookmark them the first time you visit.
To do that you can go to the Community page as Dave said, or on the store product page click on the comments button towards the bottom.

But why is this comment page formatted differently?
http://www.dead.net/30daysofdead/nov-17-2018

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If anyone is looking for this or any of this year's Dave's Picks, shoot me a PM. $25 plus shipping. The bonus disk is an additional $25.

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Ordered Oct ‘77 Road Trips from the Warner Music Store on Amazon and it came with the bonus disc.

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just testing to see if this pops 28 back to the top

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I go to this web page to find "comments"

http://www.dead.net/recent

they seem to be listed in "most recent comments" order.

Also on the capcha shit, I'm seeing more spam then on the last site.

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I went to the foundations' website and this show is no where to be found there. Sure looks good, early Tuna before they were Tuna, but still very hot. Gonna need to do some more research on this one quick. Thanks for the heads up Mr. Simonrob.

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Three old favorites and 4 new unnamed songs until this release, from 69. On sale for 15.00$ Pre Tuna, interesting name, but what would they call themselves back then? Post apocalyptic Airplane trio? Psychedelic Blue Seafood? Got any ideas?

Old, New Tuna? Very interesting indeed..

Happy Thanksgiving to all.. may your cup be full.

A special congrats to those affected in the Northeast.. I believe today marks the first day you can buy weed legally in the Eastern US as MA opened its first recreational dispensary. I honestly never thought I would see this in my lifetime. The times they are a changin'

I got in a nice revisit listen to DaP 28 yesterday, still sounds fresh. I put it in the same category as say Nashville 78 simply because the recording exceeded expectations and the show was solid. Not sure if it's the best Dave's Picks ever, but it's a solid release. Which reminds me.. we need more new music, that new car smell is beginning to fade.

Really enjoying the fall, but the bittersweet winds of Winter have arrived.. (darkness falls and seasons change). Hoping for a great winter..

Bring on the swing, happy holidays and blue cheer to all.

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Funny you mention that - I go back to that show often. Great sound, great show. Maybe one of the better first sets in all of 1978. This is a pick that I can see going back to quite often as well. I love when we are surprised like this. Life is good...

Hope everyone has a great thanksgiving. Our dinner is fairly small (my family + 1 other family) so there isn't much drama, but there is a lot of wine. Good times all around.

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Finally obtained a copy of Dick's 33. Two unbelievably great shows from October of 1976. Recording and mix are top notch. Not quite as good as The Cow Palace show, but very close. Expensive but worth it.

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Like many '76s until 10/15, at first seems slow. But I got a good long undisturbed listen in twilight, loud, and man does this deliver. The (somewhat) slower pace on most songs gives Jerry a chance to really sing. Tennessee, Wharf Rat, Ship of Fools, TLEO, FOTD--all good. It's a chamber music era, the emphasis is on the melodic and harmonic dynamics, not the volume dynamics.

Thanks to all!!

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Still haven't received Dave's 28. Bummer

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Jim, I agree, today's historical day in Mass. is one I had long ago accepted as a pipe dream (pun, intended).

I recall watching the show 'Weeds' through to its conclusion, wherein it time jumps like 7 years into the future, and pot is legal. It was an interesting, winning end to the show, and I remember thinking how liberating that would really be. Amazing it has now come to fruition in my state of residence. Soon to follow will hopefully be enough dominoes to change this on the most basic of levels to the positive.

Also wanted to chime in a say Happy Thanksgiving to all, near and far. Be well.

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I have finally come around to the seemingly majority opinion that this refit of the website has led to the death of the community that I have been a part of these many years. Pretty bummed.

Part of the problem is clearly how difficult it is to find the discussion threads. Perhaps we all agree to follow one of the threads on the community page - maybe we could collectively decide to park ourselves on one of the permanent forum pages... I don't know. I do know that checking this site has become less and less of a daily thing for me, and that makes me sad. What the hell am I supposed to do at work now?

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