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Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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May 29, 2019 - 7:30pm

#1341

Angry Jack Straw

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Don't let this board tailspin again

I bailed for quite a while because of the trivialness. In fairness, I contributed.

You are squabbling over a small handful of the greatest bands to ever walk the planet. The three in question are in my top five. I happen to include Traffic, but nobody ever cares. All are good in their own way. But, none of us would be here without the GD. I doubt the ABB or Band boards are this active.

For what it is worth, not right or wrong, I defer to folks who saw them live in the early years. In small venues. At their best.

But it still won't change my opinion.

Yeah, the Blues gotta pull this out. They let game 1 slip. To be honest, I am surprised they are tied.
May 29, 2019 - 7:00pm

#1342

bigbrownie

Joined:
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Allmans

First "rock" concert : Allman Bros. at Roosevelt Stadium in Jersey City, sometime around June 1974. Anybody there?
Dad drove us 9th graders. no weed no nuthin'. A good time was had by all, dad copped himself a couple beers, and we all made it home safely by 4AM. Dead and Co. coming up: Anyone going to the Hollywood Bowl? I'll be the guy with the tie dye and the white gotee...you can't miss me!!!!
May 29, 2019 - 6:33pm

#1343

Vguy72

Joined:
June 29, 2007

Saying stupid shit....

....maybe Butch was drunk. I know me, and drunk me says/texts some stupid shit that makes next day sober me do a good ole fashioned facepalm.
St. Louis has, HAS to beat Beantown tonight otherwise it's all uphill from here....
ABB isn't even in my top 20 bands. And I only have one beer under my belt, so it's legit. Only saw them once. Rusted Root opened. Thought they were better.....don't throw stuff at me.
The thread took a downward turn Oro, because Butch pretty much said Bill the Drummer and Mickey suck. And the heads responded. Oh well. Second beer cracked. I better stfu. Anyone got a grilled cheese sandwich? Two bucks.
....edit. I've read a few band biographies, and there's usually a douchebag that screws it all up. I've never read anything of a Grateful Dead member being one. (maybe Phil after the fact. Maybe). Put that in your pipe and smoke the fuck out of it.
"Screaming and yelling he was licking his chops."
May 29, 2019 - 6:26pm

#1344

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

Re: Hendrixfreak

Nice post. I’m not sure how the thread took the downward turn it did? Those three bands were my favorites also, and probably still are...I just always felt like the ABB didn’t need? no that’s not it?...it just sometimes seemed like their drummers played the exact same thing a lot, where B&M not so much? Anyway, just thought Butchs dig was ironic imho.
Never heard much negative from the Dead about the ABB, but unfortunately over the years can’t say the same about the Brothers. But hey, we all say stupid shit, and as I’ve said before, I try to like my musicians, atheletes, politicians, hell anyone who’s supposed to be professional, I try to like them for what they do more than who they are. Only cause that’s they way I want people to treat me at work.
Did not mean to, hopefully didn’t, diss the band at all. Like everyone else some years/bands were better than others, GD included.
Unfortunately, I didn’t get to see the ABB until the late seventies or early eighties. But it was the Warren/Woody years that first blew me away the most.(obviously not including the original line up albums ).
Man the Dead, The Brothers, and Santana were all having great resurgences during that late 80s, early 90s. Even saw the Brothers and Santana at Woodstock 94. The Band I first saw in the early 80s at the old Buffalo Train station, and yea no Robbie, but we didnt care. Saw them 84 in Rochester at the Summer party tent and it was one of the best concerts I’ve ever been to!!
Actually was fortunate to do Merch with them for some of the 90s shows, and ended up going to Chicago 95 at the last minute because of our Band connections/lamies etc. That’s what got us in, backstage, and we got to hang on the stage during the bands set. Everyone from the Dead except Jerry was up onstage watching them. Bob was standing right behind us. But of course, as soon as the Band was done they shagged our asses right off! Worked a couple tours with them in 96. They were all awesome, but from the very first time I met Rick Danko, man what a nice soul. Would always come over and say hi, sometimes right out to the booth, he'd walk over and shake your hand and say how great it was that you were there, just so nice.
If all you had on a desert island was some stuff from those three bands, I think you’d be 👍

I can’t imagine seeing the Glen show! I mean I’m sure the nasty conditions were ruff, but back when I was young, if I could have seen those three at once like that, phew!
May 29, 2019 - 5:16pm

#1345

MarinSmith

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ABB Fox Box warning

Personally, I love the ABB - but the ABB Fox Box recorded in Atlanta at the Fox Theatre, 9/24-26/2004 has the audience singing along with every classic song....ugh. Did this go down at later GD shows? Might as well breakout a Kumbaya encore! Then again, maybe I'm just an old grouchy bastard

All these years later and Bill Graham is still right - the GD were the only ones that did what they did. I think the ABB was close as anyone got. Maybe I've missed some one. I think most bands saw themselves as putting on a show and did the same show every night....charge on stage to great applause, hit all the notes, you know. It can be a great show, but you don't need to see it more than once. That's my 2 cents for today
May 29, 2019 - 4:30pm

#1346

stoltzfus

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hey

anniversary of

5/29/71

really good show
May 29, 2019 - 4:27pm

#1347

stoltzfus

Joined:
January 13, 2010

I remember my sister got to go the ABB in Madison WI back in 79

I was jealous.

ABB in 91 at the Gorge was great
also the ABB opened for The Dead in 09 at the Gorge
and attended ABB in Woodinville WA in ??
May 29, 2019 - 4:25pm

#1348

stoltzfus

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"rock and roll ain't worth the name if it don't make you strut"

thank you Lemmy
May 29, 2019 - 3:09pm

#1349

hendrixfreak

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hendrixfreak is an ABB freak, just sayin'!

Sorry to hear the ABB bashing or, at least, the ennui. But to each his or her own.

I heard them live in June '71 over the radio during the closing of the Fillmore East, then got the FE double album. By 1972, my triumvirate were the GD, ABB and The Band. I find it interesting that that's still the case, 47 years later. I should add that I consider Jimi in a category by himself. And I'm a huge fan of the Three Kings (Albert, BB and Freddie) and their cousin, Buddy Guy. I won't type a complete list, but I'm also a major Roy Buchanan fan. But among rock bands, I had only three top choices, and lived in a time when I saw a shitload of all of them in their heyday or nearly so.

I caught ABB with the GD several times 6/9, 7/27, 7/28/73 and at Madison Square Garden in May '73, then again with the Derek/Warren lineup, ~1999-2009 (all at Red Rocks, almost always first 3 rows, center). A truly magnificent band of improvisers; the GD had nothing on them. Just two different flavors. Yes, the GD took more chances. But if you listen to the Duane era (two Jan '71 sets forthcoming this year, woo-hoo!), he pushed that band until it at times sound like Cream. I'm thinking of the official bootlegs series shows from '70 and '71.

Consider how psyched me and my buddies were when we heard of the Watkins Glen lineup! I'd already seen the GD 9-19-72 and 6-9-73 and the ABB in May '73. Our three best bands on the same stage! And a chance, finally, to see The Band. Great two days of music. (Plus mud, mescaline and blotter. No food to speak of.)

Then, incredibly, two days later, we caught the GD and The Band two nights at Roosevelt Stadium. (I caught The Band again on its final tour in '76, when they rocked the New York Palladium so hard that the balcony was in physical flux. I wondered at that time whether it had been designed for so much stress, but I didn't move from my standing position at my seat.)

All before turning 16. I caught the GD again that September '73. As a freshly minted 16 yr old, I already considered myself a GD veteran.

I guess the ABB and The Band are nearly as burned into my DNA as the GD.

Anyhow, like someone said, Butch said some nasty things. But forgiveness and understanding wipe away any ill will for me. I too have lamented that Mickey moved from really sensitive synchro'd drumming and percussion in his heyday to the "sneakers in a dryer" approach post-hiatus, which clodded up the sound, though I still enjoyed every Red Rocks show they ever played, plus Folsom Field, Telluride, etc. etc.

So I'm just raising the ABB flag over my pointy little head. If they're not your thang, so be it. But I've never seen a band quite like them and never will again. RIP Duane, Berry, Gregg, Butch.
May 29, 2019 - 2:57pm

#1350

JimInMD

Joined:
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Huhhumm.. (cough cough)

What are you guys smoking? 6/9&10/73? I have almost given up hope.. but with all this talk of the Brothers, that would be something.

John Perry Barlow

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Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Buttons, and caps, and lines oh my!

And a big Sunny Rocky Mnt. how do you do!
Nice to see Wjones and the always entertaining CaseyJ back with us.....
CJ, was worried you some how smuggled in your magic carpet, got turned on to some ultra government top secret veggies, lifting off somewhere between HCS and Dark Star, and decided to fly the length of the Columbia, eventually needing to crash in some uncharted PNW forest, only to be kiddnaped by a secret clan of Uber Sasquatch....”ancient alien theorist say yes!” Who we’re so high, intelligent and kind that we would never hear from the likes of you again, not that there’d be anything wrong with that lol
Couldn’t help but pick up on the less than Bolo type clue about “we weren’t listening to the return bus instructions” ha, bet a few of us here know where that’s going! Lol

BOX: yep, looking like whoever said the announcement was going to be after Dave’s 31 is gonna win the prize...
Prize you say? .......yea,
“Upon your death you will receive divine consciousness.....which is nice”

Ok you got me started

Its not a matter of snoozing and losing

Its about a SHITBRAINED SYSTEM AND LAMENESS ON THE PART OF THE PTB AT THE GORGE.

luckily for you all, i am headed to work...keeping my day job and all that

Have a pleasant day, y'all

Ahh..

Forgot about the Uber Sasquatches. They are everywhere.

RIP Jeff Austin

“My mom let me go to Grateful Dead shows when I was 12 or 13 years old. The things that taught me,” Austin told Relix in 2009. “And I think about these kids – it’s like a sense of community, a different sense of giving and caring – we’re all here together. If you create something, you’ll have this beautiful bubble that will occur.”

😓

Jeff Austin

What a bummer. Heard over the weekend he was in the hospital. These guys got me hooked into bluegrass in 2001-2002 era, and I was lucky to see them a bunch in the early aughts. Jeff was unquestionably the leader of that band. He was a great songwriter and a better singer. Time to put on an old Yonder show.

C Janes

The link to the book was cool. It reminds me of the stories I have had traveling with the dead in the 80's. It is like losing a faithful dog that was always there to make sure you were ok. You never forget those times. Some people may think it's just a concert but it was more then that. Those people would not understand unless they were there.

Carlo

Right on!

Carlo...reminds of that bumper sticker

If I have to explain, you wouldn’t understand (insert dead graphic)....I think you will enjoy the rest of my story....stay tuned!

Yonder - 12-13-1999

https://archive.org/details/ymsb1999-12-13.shnf/ymsb1999-12-13d1/ymsb19…

Check out the Morning Dew then Shady Grove

10-4. Oro and Cjanes

10-4 good buddy.

About that 74

I told you all I have been exploring 1974 much more since accepting the sonic issues that go along with it. I'm full blown rampage now, which is ironic considering my last full blown rampage was 1974.

I have also observed there are only about a half-dozen Dark Stars from 74. That is almost a criminal act.

What I don't get is the popularity of DaP 2 Dillon Stadium. Awful audio. Is it simply because it's hard to get that it's so expensive on eBay? The show doesn't sound like anything special to me, maybe the poor audio is not helping. Can we all agree it's one of the worst sounding shows of 74?

And I will be needing rankings of all Eyes of the World from this year. I've come to the conclusion that they are the best ones, but if 73 needs to be included then so be it. Not interested in two drummer Eyes unless it's One from the Vault.

If you see the little red rooster

Won't you please drive him home

~ 10.5.84 ~

74 eyes

10 19 74

6 16 74

8 6 74

Berkeley, July 1988

Greek Theatre, 15, 16, 17 July 1988 just arrived today. It doesn't sound as good as a Normanized Plangent deal, but it sounds pretty good for a radio broadcast. Six discs for a little over thirty dollars.

Slaked my thirst while waiting for the box announcement. Not to mention the announcement is just the dangling of the carrot... the ship date can't be before Fall '19, at this point.

Jerry's vocal on the seldom played "Believe It Or Not," is extremely soulful. I'm just sayin'.

\m/

Eyes of the World's

11/17/73 is my favorite '73 version so far.

Coattail Skeletons 7/19/74 has a Dyno-MITE version.

box prediction

Now I'm thinking it may be the long awaited Boston Ark 69 shows. It's the 50th anniversary of the shows and Bolo said it's "about time those incredible shows were released". Bolo's clues may be hinting at Noah's Ark.
From Bolo's post:
Religious references: "grace of God", "glorious", "soul"
Storm reference: "Kesey's Thunder Machine"
Animal references:
1. "China"-----China CAT
2. "dark side of the moon"-----(pink floyd)-----ANIMALS
3. "Starbucks"------(Moby Dick)-----WHALE
4. "Cheetos"-----(Chester Cheetah)----CHEETAH

Right? Is anyone with me on this?

Good call Gollum

Ark would be cooooool

What does a yellow dog say?

"Ark, man...Ark"

Your avatar is awesome

But Liberace?....

....🤔 I have nothing.
Wait. Liberace tickled the ivories. Tusks are made of ivory. ELEPHANTS!
i still have nothing....

Not too familiar with....

....The Yonder Mountain String Band. Dipping my toe in now. Sad news for sure.

boxo predictionos, etc.

May 77 - Number 3 Palladium April 29-May 4!
1st Leg April '78 Curtis Hixon>Huntington,WV 4-16-1978 What about Sporto?

June '85
OR
June '91

Alaska '80? Msg '79 or '81?

P.S. Mike Edwards, Mr, Pid, dstache, OneMan, ComicBodger, Space Face? I beg you call the tune... :-)\\

Stuart Walker? sherbear? marye? monsieur Joe EVERYONE?

Happy Summer and carpe diem...

Love, Jeff

1974 Eyes

9/11 at Alexandra Palace is a good one. Very long, very spacy. After 1974 they always seemed in too much of a hurry when they played it. The 1976 ones especially-too fast, too short. And that seemed to set the template for the song for ever after.

In case you were wondering...

...yes, those IPA's were good last night :-/ :-)

P.S. Traffic Lights x4 and Chimneys.

Box set 2019

Multi-track from October 1969 or April 1971

Could be something from Fillmore West 1970 acoustic electric

Or more from 1989. Philadelphia Spectrum 3 shows

Dead and Company shows

Hey looking for someone to pick up an extra pin from a couple shows. Anyone going to Bristow , Charlotte , Atlanta or Dallas ? I had plans to go to Bristow , Charlotte and Atlanta but my dog had heart attacks last week. Had to cancel all plans and keep him company

Mbarilla

Check your PM

Box Set?

Hopefully it’s a spectacularly Plangentized offering.

The real worry is Vault safety. Hopefully Warner has a better fire prevention system than Universal Music.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8517618/universal-music-fir…

High Time to pick up the pace of releases, that way if something does happen in the future hopefully all the good sounding shows will have already been released.

this time around

I probably won't be able to get the box...my wife looks at me strangely

Fire!

Wow, that article is sad. Especially Cheech and chong and rodney dangerfield. The Captain and tennille not so much.

?

And what about Spinal Tap.....I was really hoping they’d rerelease an audiophile version of Smell the Glove!

yes, please prevent the destruction of the GD vault

would be a bummer of cosmic proportions if that ish were lost

PTB:

CAPTCHA sux. I can handle one screen of "find the bikes, ya damn fool", but 6 screens of buses, crosswalks, and festering sores is too much.

It's not like we are trying to hack into Fort Knox or something

on a tape of Mother McCree's, Jerry offers the audience...

a chance for a "boo break" due to unenjoyment.

Let's have a "boo break" for lame-ass co-workers.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dylan, Dead, Stones, fin

First Girl of the North Country since 8/27/14 tonight in Stockholm (also first Can't Wait since 2012).

Not my video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaFCERlqVPo

Sounding good. The Can't Wait is nice too...sounds like Stayin' Alive, haha. Waiting for a late summer / fall US announcement.

Anyone check out the new Rolling Thunder Revue box and Netflix special?

Gonna catch Dead & Company in ATL this weekend. Saw the Stones last Friday, first and only time for me. Worth it! Amazing that Mick had a valve in his heart replaced two months ago, he was all over the stage non-stop like it was the 70s. I got winded putting on the t-shirt I bought at the show.

MBARILLA

Just saw your post, I can check in Atlanta if you still need it. Thoughts to your dog!!! You are prioritizing correctly.

Universal Fire

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/magazine/universal-music-fire-bands-…

Here's an article I had just read before coming over here, and, sure enough it's already being discussed. I can't believe UMG lost millions of masters and were able to keep it silent for 11 years. The exceedingly long list of artists who were impacted is truly sad. Buddy Holly, Charles Mingus, John Coltrane, The Who, Tom Petty, The Carter Family, even a Martin Luther King, Jr speech that was recorded and released. Decca and Chess records. Unbelievable. Who knows what kind of brilliant work lay unreleased and unheard until the conflagration meant they would never be heard.

Also, I remember Dave made a joke on the Hofheinz 11/18/72 release page about not being able to hear Hoyt Axton Explodes without a turntable, though now it may be impossible for them to even think about a re-release as his masters are also thought to have been destroyed. I hope the artists get a massive settlement from UMG, which is worth $33 billion.

All in the family

In All in the family season 6 'Archie, the babysitter'. Gloria hires a babysitter and the babysitters boyfriend who comes over to hang out with her, brings over 2 albums. One is Blues for Allah and the other is the rolling stones. You can see both sides of B.F.A album with jerry and the band and the front pretty clearly. The boyfriend says " I brought over the grateful dead and the Rolling stones" and Archie says "yeah I've heard of those grave diggers before". Good episode.

Lost Tapes

I was shocked to read this, never heard about it. Very sad indeed.

You can never believe they don't have fire system in these places and take a greater value in the stuff they have.

The BBC tossed out a chunk of Doctor Who's cause they needed the storage?

A wild spec I heard years ago on TCM was that 1/2 the movies made before 1950 are GONE.

Dennis

I think the films were watched over by people who don't give a shit. Then you get people like Dave L. And the others who protect their music and concerts with love and respect like they should be treated.

Up In Smoke....

....first I've heard of this as well. 100,000 masters? Oops indeed. Note to selves. Celluloid does not handle heat very well. That's why I keep mine in Montana. On the Canadian border. As Red Foreman would say, "dumbasses!"
One of my favorite TV dads. Up there with Archie Bunker and Al Bundy.

😊😍😁

https://youtu.be/QFhH8sSIvsA

UMG Fire

NOT THE ASIA MASTERS!!!!!

But seriously, it's the greatest prog-gone-pop-rock album ever. Credit where it's due - producer Mike Stone pulled that record out of his ass.

I would have said maaaaybe Duke was better, but they crossed the line with Dukes Travels
- that song is as progressive rock as 1980 could possibly sound.

Last 5

Hot Rize~Take It Home
String Cheese 9-3-98 Strawberry Music Fest.,Camp Mather~Yosemite,California
Herbie Hancock~Head Hunters
G.D. 4-14-71 Lewisburg,Pennsylvania
Hot Tuna 71-7-3 Fillmore~San Fran.
:O)

Shocking photo

Listening to the Englishtown half step this morning and towards the end of an absolutely fantastic version was brought to tears during the Rio grande refrain at the thought of that father and daughter picture from earlier this week .
Come on Donald stop being such a bell end and cut these guys some slack , the worlds not just a rich mans playground .

Bruh...

As much as I have issues with the current administration, people come to this lil' area to escape all that.

May God welcome the father and daughter's souls to heaven. I am sincere in that.

Please let this board be a refuge from the ills of the world (wake up to find out that there's lots of ills in the world).

Grateful for life
Dead for life
Grateful Dead promote life
"the Grateful Dead are the antidote to the atom bomb" - Joseph Campbell

Apologies

Sorry , never meant to bring politics onto this site - it’s not even something I’m that bothered about anymore - as we say over here “ same shit different colour “ I guess the music caught up with me .

Re: Wake Up To Find Out

I think you have to at least put 6/18/74 on the list of top performances in the 73/74 period.

I have to say.. although I do like 73/74 versions the most.. it is one of the few songs where the rearrangement did not ruin it for me. There are some true gems post hiatus. I believe it to be one of the better original songs in their cannon. When I used to hear the opening chords at shows, I perked up a bit and paid attention. It rarely disappointed.

ok. Back to your regularly scheduled Estimated > Eyes.

(Edit: Or Eyes>China Doll) :D

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