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Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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May 29, 2019 - 1:16pm

#1351

Sixtus_

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re: 6/10/73

yes yes YES

And, this is my NameDay show.
Therefore, it must be released.
There, I said it.

.....Dave???

- Sixtus
May 29, 2019 - 12:18pm

#1352

stoltzfus

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oh, and 6/10/73

:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
May 29, 2019 - 12:17pm

#1353

daverock

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Butch Trucks and (not necessarily) old and in the way.

How sad. I've just had a look in "Midnight Riders", and the quote I referred to isn't sourced, so it could have been made at any time under any circumstances. It occurs during a consideration of the Fillmore East album, 1971, which suggests the comment was contemporaneous-but there is no evidence that it is.

The other thing is - we all say ill considered things at times. If someone had recorded all the stupid things I have said in my life, and written them down at a later date you would have a book as thick as the Bible.

There are a few old bands and musicians I see who can still kick out the jams. Jeff Beck is better than ever, and King Crimson were incredible last year when I saw them. Though to be fair, it was also the first time I had seen them. I will be there at the Flamin' Groovies gig next week, followed by Steve Hillage the day after. I am, it is fair to say, a man of my times.
May 29, 2019 - 12:08pm

#1354

DaveStrang

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Sixtus / Mr. Charlie

Yes, yes, yes to every one of them…If I remember correctly it was the only song played at every E72 show with 'Black Throated Wind' next at 20…not played at Bremen 4/21 & Paris 5/4.

I think 'Mr. Charlie' along with Sly Stone's 'Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin)' are 2 great examples of proto-funk or Pig-Funk in the GD's case (imho).
May 29, 2019 - 11:45am

#1355

Dennis

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things (maybe 2 of them)

Jim - you got me looking at powwowville. When you listen, do you listen in the disc order of the set or show order. The section you referenced is from one show (on the 2nd disc), the dew is from the 3rd disc, different night. I have them stored in show order. How the dew work in that location?

Shultzy - I think I agree about ABB and done with them. Not so much them per se, but some acts. I can hear the screw you's already, but I always feel that way about the who. It's like the catalog of live playing isn't thick enough or different enough to warrant drooling. Tom Petty hit me that way, saw him 3 times with years between each and felt I saw the same show :-) (hey tom, 30 fucking years can't you throw an extra note or two in Refugee! :-) There are just groups you feel you've gone to a performance of their greatest hits, versus a performance of great live dynamic musicianship.

Exception for me - Pink Floyd, shows from that catalog are always incredible sounding, you only need to see 1 show per tour since they are virtually the same every time. But damn, they always sound good!
May 29, 2019 - 11:39am

#1356

DaveStrang

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Butch Trucks

Since Trucks shot himself in the head in front of his wife, I think it safe to assume mental illness/dementia/Alzheimer's played at least a small part in his suicide. Several news articles of the time cite mounting financial debt ($800,000) as a possible motive. Trucks had to sell his condo in Florida and was being hounded by the IRS.

The 'trash' talk regarding GD in general and BK & MH in particular could also have been the result of mental incapacitation.
May 29, 2019 - 11:29am

#1357

Sixtus_

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re: JeffSmith & TOO Rankings, Mtns

....thx Jeff for the reminder and also keeping me honest in this monumental task of cataloging The Other Ones from the E'72 trunk. Invoking said honesty, I am behind - but not for a lack of trying.

I've made it up to the May 16th/Luxembourg show, but have only been taking 'mental notes'. I can say with fairly definitive certainty that the April 11th/Newcastle Other One is my favorite so far - it gets into a bit of a feelin' groovy jam in there too - but beyond that I have little to offer otherwise, at this exact moment.

I will say, and I've mentioned it before (as have many others), the consistency of the playing here is what is remarkable, however the fact it is still '72 means the song selection can only go so far and of course each show is fairly similar in this regard save for swapping songs in differing slots. Nonetheless, each time I listen to a show there are things that pop out at me enough to make mental note that "this is a pretty damn fine show".
I still really like each and every Mister Charlie - it's a fun, punchy tune with loads of personality. Too bad it all but disappeared following this tour....with Pig on the decline, you can't win 'em all.

Oh...I also enjoyed the history on the mountain jam whoever started that discussion. Pretty cool about the origins of the ABB's take on this (at least as described here). I love the reference Jer makes in the 2/14/68 Alligator to it and I find inspiration in the fact the ABB saw the same. But in the end, I gotta agree with Stoltzie, ABB can't hold a candle to the good ole GD.

Sixtus
May 29, 2019 - 10:03am

#1358

stoltzfus

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In my musical life, before the GD, there was the ABB

I was at a Wisconsin KMart, 1979, 15 years old, buying an album of my own...deciding between Enlightened Rogues by ABB and Journey. Yes, Journey. One look at the back cover photo, and...

I chose ABB. later bought Fillmore East, Eat a Peach.

Three years and one move to California later, I found the GD.

ABB were ok after that, but nowhere near the GD in my rabidity.

the ABB camp dissing the GD camp...laaaaaaaaaaaaame. Like a scooter critiquing the space shuttle.

Like many artists, I'm sure they envied the GD's...loyal fan base.

I do like ABB guesting on 7/16/72, 7/28/73, and 2/11/70.

but ABB overall...I'm done with them.
May 29, 2019 - 9:27am

#1359

JeffSmith

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Europe '72: The Other Ones Reviewed?

Hey Sixtus. We're all pretty spoiled, but I have to ask: Now that the anniversary has passed, any chance of a "Sixtus Over-, Under-, Around-, and Re-view of Other Ones from Europe '72"? You and Keithfan and others started down the path in early April, but there've been lots of distractions since then. I still pull up your Europe '72 Dark Star review regularly. Just wondering. . . ;-)
May 29, 2019 - 9:11am

#1360

KeithFan2112

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Screeching Halts and the '69 / '70 Bug

The E72 anniversary project came to a screeching halt at the Lyceum run. Tough to keep up with 4 shows in a row, which is the most they did the entire tour. I've gotten most of 5/23 in (excellent set list, blistering Promised Land - wait, I think I said this last week). Anyway, up to 5/24, but the '69 / '70 bug grabbed me.

Jimbo, the Big Rock play list is hot. I didn't recall how well-recorded this show was. I also didn't realize until I got into it that these songs are one contiguous piece of music. When I saw it on paper, I knew China Cat & The Eleven were connected, but not the rest; it makes all the difference in the world. Let me first say - extraordinary transitions throughout the entire set. Smooth, smooth, smooth. Excellent Doin' That Rag - I can't say I recall a better version. My new favorite of the era: He Was a Friend of Mine. After hearing the 3/31/69 version of Stoltzie's, and now this one, I'm scratching my head on how they didn't play this song more often. It was always kind of a novelty item for me on the Thelma release, paired with that trippy UJB. Can't wait to queue up the 3rd and final "official" version from the FW Bonus Disc soon. The China Cat transition into The Eleven struck me as "particularly good", as my recollection from the '68 versions is that they go into it with more of a bang than a sneak, after a few measures of Jerry playing the lead intro, followed by the group pounce into The Eleven; but here in the only 1969 China Cat / Eleven that I can think of, Jerry begins the transition with the Eleven lead intro (par for the course so far), but the rest of the band kind of lingers on the China Cat jam a bit longer, before joining in one at a time; then we get the big Eleven pounce. The subtlety here makes for one of those seamless transitions where you don't quite recall how you went from one song to the next (which is precisely why this version stood out for me - one minute I was driving along admiring a good looking lady in a jeep, the next I realized the Eleven had started without me - REWIND). Death Don't Have No Mercy doesn't come up on my play lists too often, mostly I guess, because they didn't play it that much. Every time I hear it though, I think, wow, this is right up there with Zeppelin doing Since I've Been Loving You, and the blues wasn't even Garcia's forte (or T.C.'s for that matter, and he lays down some nice organ chords and fills). Not that I would ever compare the Dead with Zeppelin for sustained Blues prowess LedDed - just saying they sound like they know what they're doing up there ;-) Anyone who's enjoying the new Dave's Picks and wants more of the Magnificent Seven, Jim's unearthed a perfect medley from Disc 2 of Road Trips Vol. 4 No. 1 / Big Rock Pow-Wow '69. And it's only 35 minutes....unless you add the Morning Dew "for good measure" which I advise. The pre-song banter will give you a chuckle.

With regard to the Butch Trucks / two drummer comment - I think he expressed the limitation for improv that I felt had hit the band after Mickey rejoined in '75. I would be interested to hear if he made the remark before or after Mickey's departure (I assume before, since this is when the two bands were most closely affiliated). There was a spontaneity to the music from '71-'74 that I really enjoy. Even on the shorter numbers, anybody in the band could swing this way or that to change things up a bit. Probably the reason Playing in the Band evolved as it did. Prior to Mickey's leaving, however, his presence made for some powerfully live concert moments (The Eleven I was just talking about not least of all); without him on the early stuff, Primal Dead would not quite have been so primal. We're lucky enough to get the best of both worlds with the archival releases.

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Who's up for a revolutionary evolutionary ride? DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, NEW YORK 1/2/70 captures the Grateful Dead as they make their first foray from the experimental 60s into their early 70s acoustic Americana period. Yes, this one is a little bit country and a little bit (psychedelic) rock and roll.

When the "Magnificent Seven" - Pigpen on percussion, T.C. on keys - first took the stage on 1/2/70, evidence was clear that the trip was about to take a turn. From their western wears to the twang in Jerry’s “broken-string blues,” it appeared they'd brought the Bakersfield sound to the Big Apple. They worked through much of what would become Workingman's Dead, stunning the crowd with laid-back numbers like "Uncle John's Band," "Casey Jones," and "Black Peter." Just the same, they satisfied 60s stalwarts with magical versions of "Dark Star," "St. Stephen," and "That's It For The Other One." Sonic alchemy, indeed!

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30: FILLMORE EAST, NEW YORK, New York 1/2/70 has been rounded out with a bit of 1/3/70 (the subscribers-only bonus disc features the bulk of 1/3/70). It was recorded by the great Owsley "Bear" Stanley and has been lovingly mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 30 is limited to 20,000 individually-numbered copies*.

*Limited to 2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Buttons, and caps, and lines oh my!

And a big Sunny Rocky Mnt. how do you do!
Nice to see Wjones and the always entertaining CaseyJ back with us.....
CJ, was worried you some how smuggled in your magic carpet, got turned on to some ultra government top secret veggies, lifting off somewhere between HCS and Dark Star, and decided to fly the length of the Columbia, eventually needing to crash in some uncharted PNW forest, only to be kiddnaped by a secret clan of Uber Sasquatch....”ancient alien theorist say yes!” Who we’re so high, intelligent and kind that we would never hear from the likes of you again, not that there’d be anything wrong with that lol
Couldn’t help but pick up on the less than Bolo type clue about “we weren’t listening to the return bus instructions” ha, bet a few of us here know where that’s going! Lol

BOX: yep, looking like whoever said the announcement was going to be after Dave’s 31 is gonna win the prize...
Prize you say? .......yea,
“Upon your death you will receive divine consciousness.....which is nice”

Ok you got me started

Its not a matter of snoozing and losing

Its about a SHITBRAINED SYSTEM AND LAMENESS ON THE PART OF THE PTB AT THE GORGE.

luckily for you all, i am headed to work...keeping my day job and all that

Have a pleasant day, y'all

Ahh..

Forgot about the Uber Sasquatches. They are everywhere.

RIP Jeff Austin

“My mom let me go to Grateful Dead shows when I was 12 or 13 years old. The things that taught me,” Austin told Relix in 2009. “And I think about these kids – it’s like a sense of community, a different sense of giving and caring – we’re all here together. If you create something, you’ll have this beautiful bubble that will occur.”

😓

Jeff Austin

What a bummer. Heard over the weekend he was in the hospital. These guys got me hooked into bluegrass in 2001-2002 era, and I was lucky to see them a bunch in the early aughts. Jeff was unquestionably the leader of that band. He was a great songwriter and a better singer. Time to put on an old Yonder show.

C Janes

The link to the book was cool. It reminds me of the stories I have had traveling with the dead in the 80's. It is like losing a faithful dog that was always there to make sure you were ok. You never forget those times. Some people may think it's just a concert but it was more then that. Those people would not understand unless they were there.

Carlo

Right on!

Carlo...reminds of that bumper sticker

If I have to explain, you wouldn’t understand (insert dead graphic)....I think you will enjoy the rest of my story....stay tuned!

Yonder - 12-13-1999

https://archive.org/details/ymsb1999-12-13.shnf/ymsb1999-12-13d1/ymsb19…

Check out the Morning Dew then Shady Grove

10-4. Oro and Cjanes

10-4 good buddy.

About that 74

I told you all I have been exploring 1974 much more since accepting the sonic issues that go along with it. I'm full blown rampage now, which is ironic considering my last full blown rampage was 1974.

I have also observed there are only about a half-dozen Dark Stars from 74. That is almost a criminal act.

What I don't get is the popularity of DaP 2 Dillon Stadium. Awful audio. Is it simply because it's hard to get that it's so expensive on eBay? The show doesn't sound like anything special to me, maybe the poor audio is not helping. Can we all agree it's one of the worst sounding shows of 74?

And I will be needing rankings of all Eyes of the World from this year. I've come to the conclusion that they are the best ones, but if 73 needs to be included then so be it. Not interested in two drummer Eyes unless it's One from the Vault.

If you see the little red rooster

Won't you please drive him home

~ 10.5.84 ~

74 eyes

10 19 74

6 16 74

8 6 74

Berkeley, July 1988

Greek Theatre, 15, 16, 17 July 1988 just arrived today. It doesn't sound as good as a Normanized Plangent deal, but it sounds pretty good for a radio broadcast. Six discs for a little over thirty dollars.

Slaked my thirst while waiting for the box announcement. Not to mention the announcement is just the dangling of the carrot... the ship date can't be before Fall '19, at this point.

Jerry's vocal on the seldom played "Believe It Or Not," is extremely soulful. I'm just sayin'.

\m/

Eyes of the World's

11/17/73 is my favorite '73 version so far.

Coattail Skeletons 7/19/74 has a Dyno-MITE version.

box prediction

Now I'm thinking it may be the long awaited Boston Ark 69 shows. It's the 50th anniversary of the shows and Bolo said it's "about time those incredible shows were released". Bolo's clues may be hinting at Noah's Ark.
From Bolo's post:
Religious references: "grace of God", "glorious", "soul"
Storm reference: "Kesey's Thunder Machine"
Animal references:
1. "China"-----China CAT
2. "dark side of the moon"-----(pink floyd)-----ANIMALS
3. "Starbucks"------(Moby Dick)-----WHALE
4. "Cheetos"-----(Chester Cheetah)----CHEETAH

Right? Is anyone with me on this?

Good call Gollum

Ark would be cooooool

What does a yellow dog say?

"Ark, man...Ark"

Your avatar is awesome

But Liberace?....

....🤔 I have nothing.
Wait. Liberace tickled the ivories. Tusks are made of ivory. ELEPHANTS!
i still have nothing....

Not too familiar with....

....The Yonder Mountain String Band. Dipping my toe in now. Sad news for sure.

boxo predictionos, etc.

May 77 - Number 3 Palladium April 29-May 4!
1st Leg April '78 Curtis Hixon>Huntington,WV 4-16-1978 What about Sporto?

June '85
OR
June '91

Alaska '80? Msg '79 or '81?

P.S. Mike Edwards, Mr, Pid, dstache, OneMan, ComicBodger, Space Face? I beg you call the tune... :-)\\

Stuart Walker? sherbear? marye? monsieur Joe EVERYONE?

Happy Summer and carpe diem...

Love, Jeff

1974 Eyes

9/11 at Alexandra Palace is a good one. Very long, very spacy. After 1974 they always seemed in too much of a hurry when they played it. The 1976 ones especially-too fast, too short. And that seemed to set the template for the song for ever after.

In case you were wondering...

...yes, those IPA's were good last night :-/ :-)

P.S. Traffic Lights x4 and Chimneys.

Box set 2019

Multi-track from October 1969 or April 1971

Could be something from Fillmore West 1970 acoustic electric

Or more from 1989. Philadelphia Spectrum 3 shows

Dead and Company shows

Hey looking for someone to pick up an extra pin from a couple shows. Anyone going to Bristow , Charlotte , Atlanta or Dallas ? I had plans to go to Bristow , Charlotte and Atlanta but my dog had heart attacks last week. Had to cancel all plans and keep him company

Mbarilla

Check your PM

Box Set?

Hopefully it’s a spectacularly Plangentized offering.

The real worry is Vault safety. Hopefully Warner has a better fire prevention system than Universal Music.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8517618/universal-music-fir…

High Time to pick up the pace of releases, that way if something does happen in the future hopefully all the good sounding shows will have already been released.

this time around

I probably won't be able to get the box...my wife looks at me strangely

Fire!

Wow, that article is sad. Especially Cheech and chong and rodney dangerfield. The Captain and tennille not so much.

?

And what about Spinal Tap.....I was really hoping they’d rerelease an audiophile version of Smell the Glove!

yes, please prevent the destruction of the GD vault

would be a bummer of cosmic proportions if that ish were lost

PTB:

CAPTCHA sux. I can handle one screen of "find the bikes, ya damn fool", but 6 screens of buses, crosswalks, and festering sores is too much.

It's not like we are trying to hack into Fort Knox or something

on a tape of Mother McCree's, Jerry offers the audience...

a chance for a "boo break" due to unenjoyment.

Let's have a "boo break" for lame-ass co-workers.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dylan, Dead, Stones, fin

First Girl of the North Country since 8/27/14 tonight in Stockholm (also first Can't Wait since 2012).

Not my video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaFCERlqVPo

Sounding good. The Can't Wait is nice too...sounds like Stayin' Alive, haha. Waiting for a late summer / fall US announcement.

Anyone check out the new Rolling Thunder Revue box and Netflix special?

Gonna catch Dead & Company in ATL this weekend. Saw the Stones last Friday, first and only time for me. Worth it! Amazing that Mick had a valve in his heart replaced two months ago, he was all over the stage non-stop like it was the 70s. I got winded putting on the t-shirt I bought at the show.

MBARILLA

Just saw your post, I can check in Atlanta if you still need it. Thoughts to your dog!!! You are prioritizing correctly.

Universal Fire

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/25/magazine/universal-music-fire-bands-…

Here's an article I had just read before coming over here, and, sure enough it's already being discussed. I can't believe UMG lost millions of masters and were able to keep it silent for 11 years. The exceedingly long list of artists who were impacted is truly sad. Buddy Holly, Charles Mingus, John Coltrane, The Who, Tom Petty, The Carter Family, even a Martin Luther King, Jr speech that was recorded and released. Decca and Chess records. Unbelievable. Who knows what kind of brilliant work lay unreleased and unheard until the conflagration meant they would never be heard.

Also, I remember Dave made a joke on the Hofheinz 11/18/72 release page about not being able to hear Hoyt Axton Explodes without a turntable, though now it may be impossible for them to even think about a re-release as his masters are also thought to have been destroyed. I hope the artists get a massive settlement from UMG, which is worth $33 billion.

All in the family

In All in the family season 6 'Archie, the babysitter'. Gloria hires a babysitter and the babysitters boyfriend who comes over to hang out with her, brings over 2 albums. One is Blues for Allah and the other is the rolling stones. You can see both sides of B.F.A album with jerry and the band and the front pretty clearly. The boyfriend says " I brought over the grateful dead and the Rolling stones" and Archie says "yeah I've heard of those grave diggers before". Good episode.

Lost Tapes

I was shocked to read this, never heard about it. Very sad indeed.

You can never believe they don't have fire system in these places and take a greater value in the stuff they have.

The BBC tossed out a chunk of Doctor Who's cause they needed the storage?

A wild spec I heard years ago on TCM was that 1/2 the movies made before 1950 are GONE.

Dennis

I think the films were watched over by people who don't give a shit. Then you get people like Dave L. And the others who protect their music and concerts with love and respect like they should be treated.

Up In Smoke....

....first I've heard of this as well. 100,000 masters? Oops indeed. Note to selves. Celluloid does not handle heat very well. That's why I keep mine in Montana. On the Canadian border. As Red Foreman would say, "dumbasses!"
One of my favorite TV dads. Up there with Archie Bunker and Al Bundy.

😊😍😁

https://youtu.be/QFhH8sSIvsA

UMG Fire

NOT THE ASIA MASTERS!!!!!

But seriously, it's the greatest prog-gone-pop-rock album ever. Credit where it's due - producer Mike Stone pulled that record out of his ass.

I would have said maaaaybe Duke was better, but they crossed the line with Dukes Travels
- that song is as progressive rock as 1980 could possibly sound.

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Hot Rize~Take It Home
String Cheese 9-3-98 Strawberry Music Fest.,Camp Mather~Yosemite,California
Herbie Hancock~Head Hunters
G.D. 4-14-71 Lewisburg,Pennsylvania
Hot Tuna 71-7-3 Fillmore~San Fran.
:O)

Shocking photo

Listening to the Englishtown half step this morning and towards the end of an absolutely fantastic version was brought to tears during the Rio grande refrain at the thought of that father and daughter picture from earlier this week .
Come on Donald stop being such a bell end and cut these guys some slack , the worlds not just a rich mans playground .

Bruh...

As much as I have issues with the current administration, people come to this lil' area to escape all that.

May God welcome the father and daughter's souls to heaven. I am sincere in that.

Please let this board be a refuge from the ills of the world (wake up to find out that there's lots of ills in the world).

Grateful for life
Dead for life
Grateful Dead promote life
"the Grateful Dead are the antidote to the atom bomb" - Joseph Campbell

Apologies

Sorry , never meant to bring politics onto this site - it’s not even something I’m that bothered about anymore - as we say over here “ same shit different colour “ I guess the music caught up with me .

Re: Wake Up To Find Out

I think you have to at least put 6/18/74 on the list of top performances in the 73/74 period.

I have to say.. although I do like 73/74 versions the most.. it is one of the few songs where the rearrangement did not ruin it for me. There are some true gems post hiatus. I believe it to be one of the better original songs in their cannon. When I used to hear the opening chords at shows, I perked up a bit and paid attention. It rarely disappointed.

ok. Back to your regularly scheduled Estimated > Eyes.

(Edit: Or Eyes>China Doll) :D

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