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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #1171
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    Will try and fit that in today while I work.

    ha.. just noticing the good doctor was up and posting at 4:06 am yesterday steering us towards more primal dead. In this world of trouble, we need more primal dead and I thank him for that.

    As to the myriad of sound engineers working with the 1980 multi-tracks.. yes, I was aware but am still not sure what all that means. It looks like Betty and Dan worked the mix and the rest were involved in the recording. Certainly they had a sound truck out back for the whole run. My guess is all that work went into making those multi-tracks that were carefully erased to make room for the new Brent album that should be coming out any day now, I've been waiting a long for this.. it's going to be great.

    I suspect there is more than what Lemieux will tip his hat towards, but it is probably true that complete shows from this run might be just beyond our grasp unless recorded on cassettes. Just a guess though, we can always hold hope.

    How does that song go..... in this world of trouble, we've got love one another. Keep up the hope fellow heads.

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    Okay, looks like we need a pick. How does 9/16/87 from the Madison Square Garden sound ? The 18th was the 30 Trips show.

    Unrelated, I was watching Dead Ahead a few nights ago and kept it on and watched the credits. First, they filmed both 10/30 and 10/31 nights. Would love to see the two full shows.

    Second, as I was watching the credits, it listed recorded by Bob Matthews, John Cutler, Wizard and Don Pearson. Those are some very interesting names for the time period as I did not know Cutler or Pearson had any affiliation with the band in 1980. I also didn't know Wizard or Bob Matthews were still working with the band on recordings at this point. Seemed to indicate this was a professional recording with a professional crew?

    Anyway, I know Dave bursted my bubble a couple of years ago, stated there will never be a multi track release of the Warfield/RCMH. However, I wonder if there are recordings somewhere from Pearson, Wizard? Wouldn't that be something?

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    A gift in season is a double favor to the needy…..

    Wake up rockers!!!!

    Picks Of The Day:
    Carousel Ballroom March 29 1968
    Ice Palace, Las Vegas March 29 1969

    So soon, another Daily Double? Thanks Doc, I’ll take Primal Dead for $1000……

    When you go into the realm of a double role, you have to take it to another level to make it believable. With these two shows, the Dead clearly take it to that other level…..

    March 29, 1968: There’s a nice Miller remaster out there, is it a soundboard, or stage mics? Either way, quite listenable. Kick it off with some major grease. Death Don’t second song in. Stand-alone Dark Star. Greasy gooey jammy grand finale. Can we hope that there’s a “new and improved “ copy in those banana boxes?

    March 29, 1969: The band scorches Sin City with a wonderful psychedelic masterpiece. Grease and big jamming, what could go wrong?!! We had tapes of part of this way back in the day, and it was cherished. Now, worthy of official release, is it in those banana boxes too? Only time can tell…………..

    I have doubted myself on several Daily Double answers……

    Rock on!!

    Doc
    I have so many personalities, I live more than a double life………….

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    The first set started out good, but yes, there appears to be weirdness going on with the recording. Peggy O and Queen Janes were good and I thought the Bird Song was great.
    What happened in the second set? That Crazy Fingers seemed to be a struggle and don't know what happened to Jerry or the recording? But, there was a something going on.
    They sure bounced back at Alpine a couple days later.

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    Pretty damn funny that Dave had a slice of Deer Creek '89 up this morning. I haven't had a chance yet for that show but couldn't help but notice that set list from Crazy Fingers onward which is def my kind of sequence.

    I was only suggesting the Jam of the Week for 7/16/72 because of the lack of a recent circulating copy and knowing the vault source would be cleaner. I actually had the one circulating source as a POTD over a year ago. I know it starts with that somewhat weird unbalanced audience, had to have been recorded near/in front of a stack, which I could dig but others not so much, before it off and on transitions to the sbd. A crazy thing about the audience source is that all instruments and vocals are pretty well represented. The show isn't quite 7/18 but its solid '72 and which means some really really good music.

    Edit - And now going back to it, yeah I seem to remember that Playing absolutely rips, only 5 songs into the show. God I love it! Like I said way back when, there is something about this audience source that puts me right there! Wowza!! Maybe my favorite straight-into-the-heart-of-the-sun '72 Playings.

    And I love love love the Cold Rain and Snow that is song 2 of that audience ; ) And the Black Throated Wind that follows.

    Edit 2 - awesome closing jam of Not Fade Away >Going down the Road>Hey Bo Diddley with Dickey, Berry, and Jaimoe.

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    Ha! Great minds…

    It’s like that bumper sticker: who are the Grateful Dead and why do they keep following me?

    7/15/89: decent one/two opener, though it appears Bobs having tech issues. Blues, nice PEGGY O, but Jer?, something seems not…quite in snap..? Micro synapses not syncing? Not bad, but…Hard to describe, just Queen J for instance he’s just…not..quite…usually owns these songs? Maybe I’m reading into too much? Whatevs?
    That’s how part of this show seemed: good show, but perhaps not quite summer 89 good?
    BIRD SONG they do a great job of nice unhurried swelling as a band in sync, smooth, not forcing it.
    Subtle but very nice.
    JG comes out second with Foolish Heart but again, ok, but…maybe trying too hard, holding the stick too tight?
    Same with Victim, ok but….
    Then Crazy Fingers it’s like Jer steps it up and they start to really, then…ooopps, then yeah…but by Truckin it’s like they know they have to catch up and from Smokestack onward the show rocks! Cool Drumz/space with Close Encounters tease, sweet China Doll, definitely felt like Jer was trying to make up for things, and to prove it he throws in a sweet Stella after a smoking Watchtower in the middle! Big R&R mags closer, and JG throws down again with a Brokedown, though not flawless, it’s a nice finish. Interesting show. Not quite sure overall how I feel about it? I can see why it has maybe been passed over? Good but again, perhaps a step back from some of its lofty neighbors?
    Of course still have Alpines and that cool Foxboro show, not to mention the Cali shows, and several fall tour nuggets, all just sitting there in multitrack glory…?

    Ok BC, trying this 7/16/72 but so far the tape is so so aud…
    Holy crap Weirs killing it on this Playing jam!

    So, funny. While grooving on tunes today I per chance was perusing that After All Is Said And Done book, and don’t cha know there on page 173 in the minutes from band meeting on 7/11/84 are several very interesting things. Among other things, First, was how ole Betty was suing both GDP for $25,800, and Brent specifically for $45,000, not insignificant for the times.
    Says GDP does not owe her, but does not mention about Brent. Guessing having to do with Brent’s solo album that they had been working on. Hell I probably knew what and have forgotten : (
    Also, item 12 discusses approval for additional lighting/projector for “Friday 13 July—Dark Star, second set”
    Berry interesting…
    I need to check this book out more. It’s been sitting here in my Xmass book pile and ive picked at it but it appears there’s more here than I first thought? Same with that Dylan Modern Song. Just been occasional picking at it, but great book non the less. Little bit on Truckin’ too.
    Onward!

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    Sure thing. And BTW, now Dave's reading your mind - final songs of 7/15/89 1st Set are on Tapers Section this week. Funny synchronicity how first Deer Creek show immediately before the last Alpine run. Passing of the beloved midwest summer venue torch.

    JamoftheWeek is Dillon Stadium 7/16/72 starting with Trucking (no more spoilers). Mistakenly listed as Roosevelt Stadium, which is 7/18. Appears to be only one "circulating" copy/upload (sbd/aud composite from the comparative dark ages) of this great, relatively obscure, total big time show. First post E72 show on the East Coast, with members of the Allmans joining them for closing Set II jam (not on JOTW unfortunately.) Don't miss this one!

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    Good ideas OB, I don't think I have ever listened to this show.

    Rob Eaton, there probably should be more written about him and all the work he has put in preserving hundreds of shows and his big role in helping get the Betty Boards back to the band or Grateful Dead Productions/Rhino. Well done Rob.

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    So while you fine boys and girls were (hopefully) getting yer 78 and 72 on, I was cheating on y’all.
    On Friday, I hit 7/14/85, the other fine show from Ventura that year. Needed the Friday energy and had not heard that one though have ment to for a while. Interesting show. Not quite the rocket sled 85 can be. Just a nice solid evening of GOGD! Then I revisited the video from the Giants box on 6/17/91. Forgot how much I like this show! And that audio, oye!

    Today I’m going to pick 7/15/89. The show between. The one show I’ve not heard from this tour, and never heard anyone mention it?

    Yeah, it’s quite the tale about the tapes journey back home where they belong!
    Here’s to Betty!!
    🥂

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    Yes! Thanks Betty!

    The story confused me a bit as I knew only part of the Betty tapes story. So this million dollar guy must have gotten one of the lots from that auction. I can just see Rob and Dick up all night listening to crusty, moldy reel to reels in Petaluma. Rob was genius to DAT them even though the guy forbade it.
    Found my Rockin' The Rhein bonus disc (burner) and It's possible I've only listened to it once. What was I thinkin'?!? Rolling now starting with a Playin', Sunshine Daydream, and is that Caution starting? Cool.
    Thanks again DV and Doc and cheers!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 08:16

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Looking at 4/26/72 today. Frankfurt.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 09:59

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Goodness. Epic.. This might take the better part of the rest of the day. That jam from GDTRFB into Lovelight is such a bright sunny place to spend some time. TOO, on the Other hand.. takes one to some dark, isolated places...

Thanks DV. Got a text last night or the night before from a buddy who has been spending an excessive amount of time in the Europe 72 and June 76 boxes.. both happy places.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 10:01

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I have music on (gently in the background) most of the time, 90% GD.

anyway, my pick of the moment is 3/13/82. (I just heard a happy surprise in that show)

Earlier it was 8/30/85...a bland affair for me, to be honest. But it was Texas in late August; Jerry was at 300+ pounds; etc.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 10:24

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....I wish. I'm still considered essential. That sucks because covid has been running rampant at my work. Wash your hands and take a step back or I'll kick you in the junk.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 11:07

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Should we start to feel sorry for the female employees where you work? (or at least the non-handwashing, close talkers - you know who you are!)

On the bright side.. you are essential. My mom would surely put the 'You Are Essential' letter up on the fridge for all eternity... right next to my 7th grade report card. The one with the A's and S's.

I know.. we always get punchy right before Lemieux's big reveal.... I am probably in the minority that wishes we did not know the contents of the first two releases each year. I like the surprise...

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 11:21

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I get more of a kick out his video reveals than any human should. It started early on when his 'Distracted Dave' persona first bubbled up. He could easily spend 2/3 of the video talking about seagulls and birds of prey. I don't think there has been a single seaside chat where there wasn't some aspect that amused me way more than it should. High points are the balancing on pointy rocks at the edge of the tidal pool (or was he log rolling, it's hard to tell) and the fly fishing, sasquatch hunting video. I think it's safe to say Dave knows the meaning of fully caffeinated.

Have a turbo charged day all.. We need a new release.. Dave, if you're reading, please upload the April 78 video.

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Submitted by One Man on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 17:50

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Currently grooving to the Origins vinyl. It's a too-rare window into 1968. Audio is panned to the extreme, and apparently this was Healy's idea, not Owsley's. I'll blunt edit that Side A to Side B flip. Coming at you soon, ICK.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 19:05

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No 36 yet. I did get an email stating something to the effect they are looking in the warehouse for my Dave's Picks 36 and would let me know when they resolve the issue. A pretty benign and vague acknowledgement that there was an issue with no specific remedy mentioned.

I'm fine to wait so long as they make good.

Is that One Man I see showing some support for the home town? Right on.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 21:08

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Im gonna raise a fuss
Im gonna raise a holler

GIVE JIM HIS DAVES 36!!!!!!!!

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Submitted by proudfoot on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 21:11

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Seeminly interminable
You gotta be dosed to fully get it

Or so my cynical cell sez

6 19 94

13 minutes of Space so far

AAAAAAAGGGHHHH!!!!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 21:50

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RIP Frau Blucher aka Cloris Leachman. A true talent (add horses whinny'ing in the background). A class act that rarely failed to make me laugh.

As for 36, it's fine.. I have the music, the rest is just paper and plastic, plus.. I have to believe it will come. They might not be quick but almost all the time they make good. They know it didn't make it's way, I will give them a chance to make good.

adequately buzzed (thump, the sound of head hitting pillow).

Tomorrow?

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 07:09

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I'd like to check out your Origins edit when you're done :)

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 07:16

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Lotsa Acoustic talk in the air.

Figure I'll add some :)

Stumbled into 12/26/69 and thought some of you all might enjoy checking it out.

2nd Acoustic set?
Some rare gems and early Workingman's stuff.
Great Dark Star (rough reel flip)
Early NSB (20 days after Altamont)

Good stuff

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 08:06

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White Rabbit Goddammit!

Whoever you are Mister White Rabbit we'll identify you yet.
This guys been following us around for five years.

Strider were you in Europe 72?
(just kidding, I don't think you were, but there's somebody yelling White Rabbit in the crowd sounds a bit like you.)

What a show, haven't listened to 4/26/72 in forever.
Chinatown Shuffle listen to ole Jer!
Top of their game.
Fun Pick DV, digging it.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 08:18

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I remember hearing the band commenting on that request on a few shows

interesting since I chose to start the musical day with Jefferson Airplane (Baxter's though, not SP.)

"in green sun
on blue Earth
under warm running shower"

PS: I am not a robot, but I am a White Rabbit. HAHAHAHA...haha...ha....

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 08:48

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Agree with GOGD and Jim on this one. What a barn burner. I think it has been about 4 years for me as well on this show.
The Truckin is awesome into The Other One, Comes a time and of course the epic Lovelight into GDTRFB! So good.
And I have always wondered who was keeping those charts in Turlock California? I would love to see that show Truckin as #1.
Seaside chat tomorrow?
Man, it seems like forever. Still no tracking notification over here.

Everybody hang loose.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 08:57

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I always took this as a joke. A joke Bob could say with a straight face and get away with in a 1972 Europe.

Turlock is sometimes referred to as The Trucking Capital of the World. Probably just a branding thing or a slogan for a trucking company. So there you have it.

Was Truckin' #1 in Turlock CA? Perhaps, but I am doubtful. Will we ever find out? Now what fun would that be.

that space on 6/19/94 is almost 20 minutes long.

were they trying to trip us out, or make us crawl out of our skins? Perhaps both.

20 minutes of blip blip brooooooot? or 20 minutes of Alligator? which would you rather hear?

(if you can't tell, I am avoiding work. Be an adult, Proudfoot...be an adult.)

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Submitted by Slow Dog Noodle on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 11:15

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Maybe a few of them, but I think some of their best songs are from the late era: Days Between, Lazy River Road, Black Muddy River, Picasso Moon, Built to Last, Foolish Heart, Broken Arrow, all great.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 11:22

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WOW, what a cool acoustic set, I've never heard this one before. Masters Bouquet, only time they ever did it, Stanley Brothers tune. GOGD, thanks for another cool pick, you're really mining the gems this week, between this and the 1968 show , both are knockouts and future releases. 4/26/72, great pick Dead Vikes, this one is an all time classic, great from start to finish. I always felt the peak periods for the Dead were 1968, 1969, 1970 & 1972 when Pig Pen was still in the band. Bob Weir said that they were the "deamon band" in 1972.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 11:40

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wave to the wind
easy answers

latter day songs that I find palatable:
Eternity
Way to go home (once in a while, just not every show, please)

I can't recall how "if the shoe fits" or "childhoods end" go...I do know part of one of those. but which is which?

ah. if the shoe fits. ok tune.

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 14:43

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Yes, a sweeping statement. I do like Lazy River Road a lot.

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Submitted by Dennis on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 08:46

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Thanks a heap for that link. A quick suck and down.

side note, when you download it watch your file name path, track 6 filename is as long as a filename can be, so if you try to extract to a folder with a long name it may not fit. Had to put mine on desktop temporary.

NOW - This is not the LP that came with the book, correct? Does any have or have converted their copy of the LP to a digital format? Can a guy get a digital copy? My LP is on the shelf, my turntable still not up and running!

Thanks all and enjoy.

oh yeah,,,, got (yet another) email from dead.net/rhino/wmg,,,,, my volume 16 45 is supposedly shipped,,,,, well see!

Has anyone gotten their Volume 16?

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 09:14

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Yeah, I thought you'd be hip to jumping on that ;)

Correct, this is the sampler that went out with regular copies of Comic I believe.

The Collector's edition included the LP with 4 tracks from 8/21/68.

Keep me posted on your journey tracking that down. As I want in on that too :)

That show should probably get released in it's entirety. But..
I probably say that about every show.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 10:19

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3/9/85 I’m down, cool list...still have a tape from 2nd on 3/13. Maybe I’ll do that for extra credit. Haven’t listened to any 85 since I did summer tour this past summer...

4/26/72: did the condensed released version. Funny how E72 still amazes me. Yes I know in my head that it’s top shelf stuff, but then I put it on and they always seems to wow me when I haven’t checked it out in a while. It’s kinda like gettin’ some....you know it’s good, but if it’s a been awhile, and then you get some and REMEMBER just how good that ole thang is...don’t even need “her leg up against the wall” or a touch of mojo hand!

6/19/94: enjoyed! Nice change up after 12/26/69. Yes PF that space, TOO etc is really something. I take it it was too much for you, lol, but my weird ass loved that shite! TOO reminded me of the 72 space ones (sorta).
Throughout that whole section of show you could tell they were really getting into it, not just killing time which sometimes in later years is what it unfortunately felt like.
I didn’t think they got that out there anymore. Need to find more 90s shows with big weirdness!
I had it on while running up and dow n the stairs—(trying to get balanced audio link between my 2 main systems etc..)
—but what I heard I liked. JG sounded the good from what I’ve heard from 94, though I don’t often like the sound of that guitar.
It could be from the simulator circuitry and not using real speakers, but I’m pretty sure they started that back in 92 so I’m thinking its the guitar? Hmmm, I’ll have to look into more of that...but yeah, besides the occasional weird guitar sound, I liked it. Reinforces my need to dig into the later years.

Such a juxtaposition from 12/26/69. Really dug that too, but it’s funny how much more professional they became through the years, aided of course by tons of tech advancements. But that’s also a two edged sword as imho I felt they started eventually sounding too sterile/plastic, Bob especially got even worse about dicking around in later years.

12/26 had some cool unusual tunes along with many of the usual suspects of the era, including a short but groovy Dark Star.
Cool picks, really enjoying the variety lately!
Ok, onward to 1985!

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Submitted by bolo24 on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 14:12

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Home of the mighty Warriors of Stanislaus State. We used to hop on the bus for the lovely drive to Turlock every year to play them (baseball).

One year in the mid-seventies we voted their entire team to our "All -Ugly" team. Yes, we were young stupid, brash and judgemental. Lotta fun, though.

The Dead played in Turlock on 2/16/1968. Apparently not in the archive, so not much is known about the show. Heard it had a 30 minute "What's Become Of The Baby?"

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Submitted by billy the kid on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 14:17

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I was at this show, I do remember the Cumberland and all & all it seemed.like a pretty good show. Lotta good shows in 85 Frost , Greek & Ventura all winners.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 14:24

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and hasn’t missed a beat!

3/9/85s check, been dug! Nice pick, it’s no secret I love me some good 85.

I knew that 85 pick would bring you out Oroborous. It is like the call of the wild, 85? Did somebody say 85. My opinion of 85 has changed somewhat over the years. At the time, I didn't know the future. All part of the Dead story.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 18:23

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Blossom Music Center - 6/25. Great show that seems to be a bit under the radar

Hunter Seamons matrix sounds mighty fine - https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1985/06/25?source=94738

Charlie Miller board also - https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1985/06/25?source=108160

what's become of the baby? don't get me started . . . .

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Submitted by bob t on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 06:03

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In same boat as Jim, had the Blossom tape early also... Plus grew up 50 miles away so in Ohio terms that's in your back yard.... First day of winter here temperature wise. Have a good weekend everyone. Bob T

Good Call BlueCrow
I gotta shout out some Blossom love with you all too.

Those '85 Amy boards got me hooked BITD, after constant listens to Blossom & Riverbend, growing up in Ohio, I got on the bus and headed to Cincinnati and caught my first show summer '86.

Always wished I'd gotten on 1 year earlier :) But I'm pretty convinced my 15 year old Brain would've melted down into a gooey puddle, cause my 16 year old brain got mashed.

So let's fire it up!

BTW - 6/19/94 is a fun listen. It's taken me awhile and I did parts, but all that Other One talk, I had to go back and check it. Jerry had the love for Eugene, Nice!

PS - The 2018 Miller upgrade of 6/25 smokes the multi-gen tape I had growing up :)
I would've straight freaked if I coulda had this BITD... shit, kinda freaking right now. DayTripper!

ha - should have guessed maybe not so under the radar here. also had a sweet sounding tape early on - lots of energy and full crisp sound. also love the Set II opener of Gimme Some Lovin > China Cat > Rider. That rings my bell. A really fun show. hadn't thought about it for ages and then there it was yesterday - "What about Blossom?!"

6/19/94 show was big. The scene at Eugene was a bit out of control by day 3 of that run and memory says that it was already clear that Dead weren't going to be allowed back and I think that played into 6/19. Always loved the big drums> space of those latter years. If in the mood try on drumz>space at Seattle Memorial Coliseum 5/25/95 (night 2) - space led into the final Wheel. Simply and completely blown away by it all at the time. No board available - not sure which audience to go with right at the moment.