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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #1181
    DeadVikes
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    Firstshow. Betty

    Firstshow, I believe she left the band in the early eighties after a relationship with Brent that went bad. She fell on rough times and had some of her recordings and Rex's recordings in a storage locker. She could no longer afford the rent and the locker was sold off to three different parties. I thought it was actually in 1986 before Jerry's coma. Anyway, she informed the band about her situation and the music in the locker. They did not act. At the time, I don't think they saw the value.

    I believe Dave has written about the returned reels in the Summer 78 Box and a couple of Dave's Picks.
    Also, there are a couple of good articles out there on the Betty Boards and ABCD LLC and their quest to return the reels to the band.
    I believe Dave's #21 was the first release from the returned reels and the 78 Box was the first box set from the returned reels.

    Oh, and wasn't that your first show?

    Edit. The write up from Dave on the reels was included in the GSTL Box, not the July 78 Box.

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    Just read the rob eaton story

    about how these tapes came back. ( Dead Essays 3-26-72 from deadessays dot blogspot) Very interesting and a tidbit of copyright law that allowed him to get them back where they belonged. The guy who had them wanted a million dollars and the office basically told him to eff himself. He owned the physical tapes but not the music on them. So Dick's 30 and Dave's 14 + bonus disc it is. (and bonus disc for Rockin' The Rhein if I have it) Thanks Doc.
    Cheers

    Edit: so now I want to find out how/why the Bettys came to auction in 1986 in various lots. Was she gone by then? Why wouldn't she have gotten these back to the band? And interesting to hear a good portion of this lot was JGB and Saunders and some Jerry and Howard Wales too.

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    If you fell down yesterday, stand up today…….

    Mornin’, rockers!!!

    Pick Of The Day: Academy Of Music March 26 1972

    Yes, I know this was briefly discussed recently, but I compose these things well in advance, so here we are……

    Back in the day, in the crazy daze of tape trading, there were no commonly circulating soundboards of this run yet. It was rumored that they weren’t recorded, there was a flood in the vault, perhaps the building had been struck by lightning. Our audience recordings---much like the Port Chester 71 run----varied from borderline listenable to truly wretched. We dreamed of better quality………

    Well, apparently, maybe they had been there after all, well guarded, well protected, top secret material. The official releases started in 2003----can you believe it’s been nearly twenty years already?---and were a revelation. While perhaps not up to the creamy scorching brilliance of the E72 tour, the entire AOM run is excellent in it’s own way, looser perhaps, but all worthy!

    I always wondered what exactly was the AOM run? Open, paid rehearsals? A tune-up for the European tour? A week long musical party to pay for their fun across the pond?

    The March 26 show was released in 2015, and while appearing “standard on paper” does have a good mix of grease, jamming, and rock and roll. What more could one expect of the Dead at that time? Absolutely worthy of a revisit!!

    The past is the beginning of the beginning and all that is and has been is but the twilight of the dawn……

    Rock on!

    Doc
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    Thoughts Part I - Not sure if i ever listened to Set I, but Set II caught my attention many years ago. In part because of the obvious set list weirdness (thumbing through Deadbase) and as part of that set list weirdness the first Jack-a-Roe after the initial handful in Spring '77 (previous 6/7/77) (Jack-a-Roe can be my Cumberland) - its the only one in '78, before being brought back in rotation final month and a half of Godchaux era from 1/7 to 2/17/79. So, as Oro mentions, the word from Healy to a head was that Bob was "sick as a dog" (see IA), so not on stage beginning Set II but, trooper that he is, does make it back. Sounds like Jerry was going to open set with Shakedown but given circumstances slowly leans into what could easily be a jam out of Playing. Pretty freaking cool.

    [Edit] - Thoughts Part 2 - What a unique and amazing Set II. Total "Wow". As Inspector Clue notes, despite an eyewitness account, Bobby is back on stage for Jack-a-Roe and rest of set. The intro and outro to World to Give are otherworldly haunting and gorgeous. In that way they remind me of the atmosphere of Days Between. I think Jerry struggles on some high end vocals, maybe that's why the song didn't last. On the outro Bob's not so much playing slide but making whale calls and it sounds fantastic and beautiful. Tough to have the board cut during the Playing reprise because that Reprise is a beauty but being in the audience from there on out its clear that its a big old party and the Around and Around is a full on swinging-from-the chandeliers closer. Maybe, just maybe, the end of Set II was in fact recorded at the board, we can only hope. Would love to have Set II released.

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    Gateway drugs

    Many people discovered Chuck Berry through listening to The Dead. The Stones served the same function in England.

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    Wanted to hear that third IIHTWTG so I went to the Bertrando/Sacks that starts at the post-Supplication Jam which without it's connection was fairly hard to guess but it sounds like Jerry was just noodling and trying to get to Playin' already. Then Drums into more pre-Playin' then shuffles right into a good Jack-a-roe. Playin' starts for real and abruptly shifts to a bouncy and funky Shakedown and has the crowd clapping along in time. Slow shift to the IIHTWTG with an almost silent (confused or maybe just respectful?) crowd. Fairly different from the debut which was as-written-clean (was this ever on a studio album?) including Bob adding some slide that turns into whale song (Jim, the gift that keeps on giving, lol) while Jerry fans the ending. Tough song to sing with lots of chord changes. Maybe that's why it was dropped? Then Playin' reprise with Bob trying to go elsewhere, but settles nicely before the slam into Around & A.
    Glad I got to hear this and thanks to Oro. Will try that 11-21-78 on your recommendation.
    Cheers
    Edit: Duh, of course! IIHTWTG was on the Shakedown album. There's a ut-oob of the Cleveland IIHTWTG with good sound but no video. Lots of interesting comments there. Lots of love for this song. One guy suggests this was a tough one to sing as it stretched Jerry's vocal range a bit. Same guy has a great detailed logical argument for why they dropped Cosmic Charlie, well reasoned. Another poster said this was their wedding song - cool! Another said it was a dedication from her hubby who has passed on. And a strange number of people said they liked/loved Bob's slide on this. No accounting for taste I guess. Oh and one said Bob had issues at start of second set which may explain some of that weirdness with the "Jams". (as Oro has already documented in his review a few posts back)
    Doc, you know what happens when the going gets weird. If not see Hunter Thompson.

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    Miller 95660, it’s an SB, but it has flaws and several patches. I didn’t mess with the others…
    11/21/78: went with Carpenter SB, recording overall better than 11/20, still has some patches.
    11/21 is a hot show! Only hiccup I recall is Black Pete…hell did they ever play bad in Ra cha cha?
    78 nuts will want to hear 11/21 and at least the Playin Sandwich from 11/20!

    December 73. What a month!
    Not sure about 1985 1st show. With no net, Deadbase etc, all we were focused on was trying to get to as many shows as practical, and hopefully later getting tapes of those shows. Never dreamed of the riches that have been mined since!
    Years later when I did start to consider these things, besides shows we were at it was all about those magic last ten shows of 73, featuring just the guys.

    3/24/71: I like 1971, but sorry, just did like 96% of 71 last year so not ready for rehash yet. I will say I really enjoyed this show though.
    That JBG off of Skullfuck was the lightning bolt that changed me from interested, to whoa, I have got to see these guys!
    It was April 78 and I was at my buddies. We listened to Skullfuck a lot sans not much else live Dead to listen to. Live Dead was still probably too weird for us to fully engage. Steal Your Money was cool, but it was all about S&R.
    Being a Hendrix freak in HS, I was really into JBG, and I’d heard this version many times, but for whatever reason something happened that day and JBG just blew me away. I made him replay it over and over and from then on the scaled tipped and I started becoming more into the Dead then the other stuff.
    The final straw was finally getting to see them in January. The rest as they say is history.

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    I wasn't able to find a good source for this show. What source did you listen to guys?

    December 73. Another fine month Jim.

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    3/18/71 is a good show - least the first cd moves nicely through it's changes, and the song list and jams to come look promising.

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    Hey hey hey rockers!!

    Pick Of The Day: Winterland March 24 1971 (Benefit for the Sufi Choir Of San Francisco)

    Code Seminole, check 3 check 3 check 1, Red Dog over……………

    The yang to the yin of March 3. The band may have started the month off low, but they ended high. Yes they may have forgotten an organ, but this fine and underrated show is much crunchier and more expansive than what came three weeks previously.

    The Skull Album Johnny B Goode, so early in the first set. Top notch grease, especially the crispy Hard To Handle. A big jam sequence in the first set highlighted by an excellent Other One. How and why did they end the set with such a hard rockin’ Beat It On Down The line? Solid NFA suite to close set two, followed by a nice Uncle John’s Band encore.

    I know not everybody digs 1971 shows, but this one is worth a listen, and would make a nice official release some day……..

    Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

    Rock on!

    Doc
    Where's your will to be weird?

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 08:16

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Looking at 4/26/72 today. Frankfurt.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 09:59

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Goodness. Epic.. This might take the better part of the rest of the day. That jam from GDTRFB into Lovelight is such a bright sunny place to spend some time. TOO, on the Other hand.. takes one to some dark, isolated places...

Thanks DV. Got a text last night or the night before from a buddy who has been spending an excessive amount of time in the Europe 72 and June 76 boxes.. both happy places.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 10:01

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I have music on (gently in the background) most of the time, 90% GD.

anyway, my pick of the moment is 3/13/82. (I just heard a happy surprise in that show)

Earlier it was 8/30/85...a bland affair for me, to be honest. But it was Texas in late August; Jerry was at 300+ pounds; etc.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 10:24

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....I wish. I'm still considered essential. That sucks because covid has been running rampant at my work. Wash your hands and take a step back or I'll kick you in the junk.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 11:07

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Should we start to feel sorry for the female employees where you work? (or at least the non-handwashing, close talkers - you know who you are!)

On the bright side.. you are essential. My mom would surely put the 'You Are Essential' letter up on the fridge for all eternity... right next to my 7th grade report card. The one with the A's and S's.

I know.. we always get punchy right before Lemieux's big reveal.... I am probably in the minority that wishes we did not know the contents of the first two releases each year. I like the surprise...

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 11:21

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I get more of a kick out his video reveals than any human should. It started early on when his 'Distracted Dave' persona first bubbled up. He could easily spend 2/3 of the video talking about seagulls and birds of prey. I don't think there has been a single seaside chat where there wasn't some aspect that amused me way more than it should. High points are the balancing on pointy rocks at the edge of the tidal pool (or was he log rolling, it's hard to tell) and the fly fishing, sasquatch hunting video. I think it's safe to say Dave knows the meaning of fully caffeinated.

Have a turbo charged day all.. We need a new release.. Dave, if you're reading, please upload the April 78 video.

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Submitted by One Man on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 17:50

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Currently grooving to the Origins vinyl. It's a too-rare window into 1968. Audio is panned to the extreme, and apparently this was Healy's idea, not Owsley's. I'll blunt edit that Side A to Side B flip. Coming at you soon, ICK.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 19:05

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No 36 yet. I did get an email stating something to the effect they are looking in the warehouse for my Dave's Picks 36 and would let me know when they resolve the issue. A pretty benign and vague acknowledgement that there was an issue with no specific remedy mentioned.

I'm fine to wait so long as they make good.

Is that One Man I see showing some support for the home town? Right on.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 21:08

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Im gonna raise a fuss
Im gonna raise a holler

GIVE JIM HIS DAVES 36!!!!!!!!

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Submitted by proudfoot on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 21:11

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Seeminly interminable
You gotta be dosed to fully get it

Or so my cynical cell sez

6 19 94

13 minutes of Space so far

AAAAAAAGGGHHHH!!!!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 01/27/2021 - 21:50

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RIP Frau Blucher aka Cloris Leachman. A true talent (add horses whinny'ing in the background). A class act that rarely failed to make me laugh.

As for 36, it's fine.. I have the music, the rest is just paper and plastic, plus.. I have to believe it will come. They might not be quick but almost all the time they make good. They know it didn't make it's way, I will give them a chance to make good.

adequately buzzed (thump, the sound of head hitting pillow).

Tomorrow?

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 07:09

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I'd like to check out your Origins edit when you're done :)

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 07:16

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Lotsa Acoustic talk in the air.

Figure I'll add some :)

Stumbled into 12/26/69 and thought some of you all might enjoy checking it out.

2nd Acoustic set?
Some rare gems and early Workingman's stuff.
Great Dark Star (rough reel flip)
Early NSB (20 days after Altamont)

Good stuff

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 08:06

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White Rabbit Goddammit!

Whoever you are Mister White Rabbit we'll identify you yet.
This guys been following us around for five years.

Strider were you in Europe 72?
(just kidding, I don't think you were, but there's somebody yelling White Rabbit in the crowd sounds a bit like you.)

What a show, haven't listened to 4/26/72 in forever.
Chinatown Shuffle listen to ole Jer!
Top of their game.
Fun Pick DV, digging it.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 08:18

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I remember hearing the band commenting on that request on a few shows

interesting since I chose to start the musical day with Jefferson Airplane (Baxter's though, not SP.)

"in green sun
on blue Earth
under warm running shower"

PS: I am not a robot, but I am a White Rabbit. HAHAHAHA...haha...ha....

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 08:48

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Agree with GOGD and Jim on this one. What a barn burner. I think it has been about 4 years for me as well on this show.
The Truckin is awesome into The Other One, Comes a time and of course the epic Lovelight into GDTRFB! So good.
And I have always wondered who was keeping those charts in Turlock California? I would love to see that show Truckin as #1.
Seaside chat tomorrow?
Man, it seems like forever. Still no tracking notification over here.

Everybody hang loose.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 08:57

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I always took this as a joke. A joke Bob could say with a straight face and get away with in a 1972 Europe.

Turlock is sometimes referred to as The Trucking Capital of the World. Probably just a branding thing or a slogan for a trucking company. So there you have it.

Was Truckin' #1 in Turlock CA? Perhaps, but I am doubtful. Will we ever find out? Now what fun would that be.

that space on 6/19/94 is almost 20 minutes long.

were they trying to trip us out, or make us crawl out of our skins? Perhaps both.

20 minutes of blip blip brooooooot? or 20 minutes of Alligator? which would you rather hear?

(if you can't tell, I am avoiding work. Be an adult, Proudfoot...be an adult.)

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Submitted by Slow Dog Noodle on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 11:15

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Maybe a few of them, but I think some of their best songs are from the late era: Days Between, Lazy River Road, Black Muddy River, Picasso Moon, Built to Last, Foolish Heart, Broken Arrow, all great.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 11:22

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WOW, what a cool acoustic set, I've never heard this one before. Masters Bouquet, only time they ever did it, Stanley Brothers tune. GOGD, thanks for another cool pick, you're really mining the gems this week, between this and the 1968 show , both are knockouts and future releases. 4/26/72, great pick Dead Vikes, this one is an all time classic, great from start to finish. I always felt the peak periods for the Dead were 1968, 1969, 1970 & 1972 when Pig Pen was still in the band. Bob Weir said that they were the "deamon band" in 1972.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 11:40

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wave to the wind
easy answers

latter day songs that I find palatable:
Eternity
Way to go home (once in a while, just not every show, please)

I can't recall how "if the shoe fits" or "childhoods end" go...I do know part of one of those. but which is which?

ah. if the shoe fits. ok tune.

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 01/28/2021 - 14:43

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Yes, a sweeping statement. I do like Lazy River Road a lot.

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Submitted by Dennis on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 08:46

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Thanks a heap for that link. A quick suck and down.

side note, when you download it watch your file name path, track 6 filename is as long as a filename can be, so if you try to extract to a folder with a long name it may not fit. Had to put mine on desktop temporary.

NOW - This is not the LP that came with the book, correct? Does any have or have converted their copy of the LP to a digital format? Can a guy get a digital copy? My LP is on the shelf, my turntable still not up and running!

Thanks all and enjoy.

oh yeah,,,, got (yet another) email from dead.net/rhino/wmg,,,,, my volume 16 45 is supposedly shipped,,,,, well see!

Has anyone gotten their Volume 16?

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 09:14

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Yeah, I thought you'd be hip to jumping on that ;)

Correct, this is the sampler that went out with regular copies of Comic I believe.

The Collector's edition included the LP with 4 tracks from 8/21/68.

Keep me posted on your journey tracking that down. As I want in on that too :)

That show should probably get released in it's entirety. But..
I probably say that about every show.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 10:19

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3/9/85 I’m down, cool list...still have a tape from 2nd on 3/13. Maybe I’ll do that for extra credit. Haven’t listened to any 85 since I did summer tour this past summer...

4/26/72: did the condensed released version. Funny how E72 still amazes me. Yes I know in my head that it’s top shelf stuff, but then I put it on and they always seems to wow me when I haven’t checked it out in a while. It’s kinda like gettin’ some....you know it’s good, but if it’s a been awhile, and then you get some and REMEMBER just how good that ole thang is...don’t even need “her leg up against the wall” or a touch of mojo hand!

6/19/94: enjoyed! Nice change up after 12/26/69. Yes PF that space, TOO etc is really something. I take it it was too much for you, lol, but my weird ass loved that shite! TOO reminded me of the 72 space ones (sorta).
Throughout that whole section of show you could tell they were really getting into it, not just killing time which sometimes in later years is what it unfortunately felt like.
I didn’t think they got that out there anymore. Need to find more 90s shows with big weirdness!
I had it on while running up and dow n the stairs—(trying to get balanced audio link between my 2 main systems etc..)
—but what I heard I liked. JG sounded the good from what I’ve heard from 94, though I don’t often like the sound of that guitar.
It could be from the simulator circuitry and not using real speakers, but I’m pretty sure they started that back in 92 so I’m thinking its the guitar? Hmmm, I’ll have to look into more of that...but yeah, besides the occasional weird guitar sound, I liked it. Reinforces my need to dig into the later years.

Such a juxtaposition from 12/26/69. Really dug that too, but it’s funny how much more professional they became through the years, aided of course by tons of tech advancements. But that’s also a two edged sword as imho I felt they started eventually sounding too sterile/plastic, Bob especially got even worse about dicking around in later years.

12/26 had some cool unusual tunes along with many of the usual suspects of the era, including a short but groovy Dark Star.
Cool picks, really enjoying the variety lately!
Ok, onward to 1985!

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Submitted by bolo24 on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 14:12

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Home of the mighty Warriors of Stanislaus State. We used to hop on the bus for the lovely drive to Turlock every year to play them (baseball).

One year in the mid-seventies we voted their entire team to our "All -Ugly" team. Yes, we were young stupid, brash and judgemental. Lotta fun, though.

The Dead played in Turlock on 2/16/1968. Apparently not in the archive, so not much is known about the show. Heard it had a 30 minute "What's Become Of The Baby?"

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Submitted by billy the kid on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 14:17

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I was at this show, I do remember the Cumberland and all & all it seemed.like a pretty good show. Lotta good shows in 85 Frost , Greek & Ventura all winners.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 14:24

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and hasn’t missed a beat!

3/9/85s check, been dug! Nice pick, it’s no secret I love me some good 85.

I knew that 85 pick would bring you out Oroborous. It is like the call of the wild, 85? Did somebody say 85. My opinion of 85 has changed somewhat over the years. At the time, I didn't know the future. All part of the Dead story.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Fri, 01/29/2021 - 18:23

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Blossom Music Center - 6/25. Great show that seems to be a bit under the radar

Hunter Seamons matrix sounds mighty fine - https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1985/06/25?source=94738

Charlie Miller board also - https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1985/06/25?source=108160

what's become of the baby? don't get me started . . . .

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Submitted by bob t on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 06:03

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In same boat as Jim, had the Blossom tape early also... Plus grew up 50 miles away so in Ohio terms that's in your back yard.... First day of winter here temperature wise. Have a good weekend everyone. Bob T

Good Call BlueCrow
I gotta shout out some Blossom love with you all too.

Those '85 Amy boards got me hooked BITD, after constant listens to Blossom & Riverbend, growing up in Ohio, I got on the bus and headed to Cincinnati and caught my first show summer '86.

Always wished I'd gotten on 1 year earlier :) But I'm pretty convinced my 15 year old Brain would've melted down into a gooey puddle, cause my 16 year old brain got mashed.

So let's fire it up!

BTW - 6/19/94 is a fun listen. It's taken me awhile and I did parts, but all that Other One talk, I had to go back and check it. Jerry had the love for Eugene, Nice!

PS - The 2018 Miller upgrade of 6/25 smokes the multi-gen tape I had growing up :)
I would've straight freaked if I coulda had this BITD... shit, kinda freaking right now. DayTripper!

ha - should have guessed maybe not so under the radar here. also had a sweet sounding tape early on - lots of energy and full crisp sound. also love the Set II opener of Gimme Some Lovin > China Cat > Rider. That rings my bell. A really fun show. hadn't thought about it for ages and then there it was yesterday - "What about Blossom?!"

6/19/94 show was big. The scene at Eugene was a bit out of control by day 3 of that run and memory says that it was already clear that Dead weren't going to be allowed back and I think that played into 6/19. Always loved the big drums> space of those latter years. If in the mood try on drumz>space at Seattle Memorial Coliseum 5/25/95 (night 2) - space led into the final Wheel. Simply and completely blown away by it all at the time. No board available - not sure which audience to go with right at the moment.