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  • The Good Ole G…
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    OTIS - BCT is Strong!

    LOL - and then life started again... that's funny!

    Regarding 8/27/72 as close to perfect, I wanted anything similar to that, this show might be the closest thing too it IMO.

    If not, I wanna hear your picks people, what other shows remind of you of Veneta, which I (and maybe many others?) think might be the perfect show.

    And with that from Marin County.. The Grateful Dead

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    So cool to hear those Alpine Memories!

    Two back at ya.

    6/26/87 - 1st Night - Set 2 - China Cat Midi weirdness. The weather was getting ominous, my first show at Alpine, was totally ripped, and I start hearing horns and weird shit, I’m trying to see the stage, thinking is there a guest performer or something, more midi weirdness in Eyes > Drums, I didn’t know what Midi was or how they were doing that, it was eating my mind, by the time they got to the ripping All Along The Watchtower (broke out 6/20/87 that year, so it was new) the weather had gotten pretty dicey, that Watchtower sounded truly Wicked in it’s delivery and tone. The boys laid it on us that night. I bought the ticket and took the ride. It’s a night I’ve always remembered. We slowly strolled out of the show went and found our tent, partied, crashed, woke up and did it again the next day in the sun!

    1988 - 2 shows, break, 2 more shows - Yeah it was hot and dry as dirt that summer as reported. I loved the break day.. we were kids, so not having water didn’t seem to effect us, we were probably drinking soda.. who knows. But we hopped in my buddy’s convertible on the day off, drove around until we spotted a pool in someones back yard, and we all ran and hopped in it to cool off and get a dip, then ran back to the car dripping wet, dived in and sped off. It felt so good, we were so hot and dirty and it was dry as a bone. Sorry folks, but we needed your pool and you weren’t in it.

    At the time I never thought those would be the days, but those were the days!

    THE TAPES:
    Sadly the Alpine tapes seem to have issues.
    1987 - No SBDs in Circulation still! Been waiting for 33 years, and even if we had them, which we don’t, they probably sound like ass, like so many ’87 shows. Healy was experimenting with UltraMatrix that year and lots of ambient noise got baked into most of those tapes.

    1988 - Healy strikes again! Dan was doing some type of panning of the sound through the speakers, I can’t remember where I read / heard, think it was GD Hour, maybe Lemieux. Anyhow, it creates a type of “warble” sound in the recording, I’ve got those SBDs and they’re a bit hard to listen to due to the consistent “warble” through out. All 4 nights have it, I think the last night has it least.

    Another Flash - 6/20/88 - The sun setting as they played Terrapin. I still remember that as a favorite moment, was way back on the hill on the lawn lots a space, just taking it in, looking at the moon. I’d just seen a new Brent Song (Turned out to be first Blow Away unbeknown to us at the time / pre-internet / phones / technology) and that had rocked me, we were big Brent Fans.

    1989 - Well those are some good tapes!!

    But that’s another tale, and I wasn’t at those shows..

    Memories:)

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    Got out of bed way too early for some reason, but had a chance to put on today's pick and listen to most of set 1 without interruption. Really strong 1st set! I love the placement of "Black Peter" and all of the regular tunes are played very well. Just finished with that beautiful "Bird Song" before the wife came down and life started again, so I am going to have to save "Playin'", "Bertha" and the short Set II for later on today, but that 1st set was a great way to start the day!

    For no good reason at all, this is another pick that doesn't get as much play from me, but after this morning's initial listen, I think that is going to change!

    Peace

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    Mark me down with it

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    >>>>>The real kick in the ass is, she also threw away all my pictures, every single one... simply because some contained pics of me that included ex girlfriends.

    That's a shame, a damn shame. The was just before she died in that tragic kayak accident, right? The river was running hard and fast and you begged her not to go out that day. It was only by the grace of GOD did you survive. I read the report about how you kept diving into the cold water time and time again to look for her, but, alas she was gone. But that's one secret you can never tell.

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    @ Good old Grateful Dead: I had to think about this one, that was a long time ago, and it was my first dead show. What I do remember about the show was the crowd, what a cool bunch of people, and the twirlers, my first time seeing them and they were everywhere, in the back, in the halls, in the bathrooms, everywhere there was a space, they were twirling. I'm pretty sure we all dosed that night, we did that a lot in the 70's. I have Dick's picks 29 which has this show and the Atlanta show if I'm not mistaken and the band was in tune and doing the "just exactly perfect" thing but I don't remember one tune they played that night. I also remember the tye dye, it was also everywhere and the stage had a huge tye dye mural in the background, most of the speaker covers were tye dyed too, as were a lot of the crowd.
    I had heard a few dead songs before going to this show and was interested, but not a deadhead yet and believe it or not, this show did not transform me into one, not that night anyway, it was the April 80 show that did that. I remember getting close enough to get a good look at Donna on stage, she was ok but I had seen bands with chick singers and she just did not impress me. I prefered Grace who in my opinion had a much better voice and was just lovely to look at. With that said I do believe that it was Donna that left me uninspired and the main reason I did not get on the bus that night. I think a lot has to happen for one to get "it" and this performance just didn't have it and the civic center, even tho it was newish, having opened in the 70's, it was still a cavern with not the best acoustics. But three years later, I jumped on the bus big time and turned a lot of younger heads later on to this band, still my favorite band after 40 + years.

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    Fox Th. 1980 matrix?

    Did Bolo24 just say were are getting another Fox Th. 1980 matrix? woohoo!

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    "What’s your Favorite Year seeing shows?"

    I would have to go with '89. Saw shows spring summer and fall and they were all great shows.

    Civic Arena Pittsburgh both nights. released
    Closing JFK Philadelphia. released audio and video
    Spectrum Philadelphia all three nights. will be released one day

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    Alpine 87-88. Those were some unbelievable times.
    Like Jim, I do not remember all the shows song by song like some others do, but, for some reason the first night of the 87 Alpine run, I can still remember the Feel Like a Stranger opener and my buddies and I running down the hill to try and find a spot. I always remember the Tons of Steel from that night as well. What a time! 87 for us was different from our first experience at Alpine in 86. Of course it was two weeks or so after that Jerry slipped into the comma. At the time, I didn't think we would get to see the band again. What a run after that!
    GOGD, do you remember the drought in 88 at Alpine? It was crazy. We had campers in those days 87-89. I just remember 88 was so hot and we always had tons of people coming to our camper looking for water. In those days, we had tons of beer, but not much water.
    Some of my best memories of all those years at Alpine was after the shows in the parking lot talking to other heads about all aspects of the shows, the band, Jerry, what the encore will be the next night, etc. Similar to what we do here. Man, seems like so long ago, but I think about those days a lot and no band has ever come close to that feeling of seeing the Dead live. There are a huge group of people here that were at those shows at Alpine, this one is for you guys and gals!
    At some point in time, we will see some of these late 80s Alpine shows released.

    My wife has asked me as I am watching the Shakedown Stream shows, we will see you in the crowd on some of these?
    My response, only if they play Downhill from Here.

    Stay well.

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    4/19/82, Baltimore Civic Center. Don't need no stinking ticket stub to remember that. Electric.

    Buckeye Lake.... fun indeed.

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Please forgive...what is the Danes reference? (strong beverage?)

My disc 4 of 5/13/73 just now: "I would ask the same of you", then disc stops

Beauty eh!
They seem to get a little tighter every show.
And yeah, that tape drop out in the jam was major orgasimas interferous.
That sheet was starting to rip, then....Doooooaaaaahhhhh!

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First date of the E72 run was this date 49 years ago, and 30 years ago was this Orlando show. This is the only time I ever saw Rubin and Cherise performed and it was epic. They brought the house down with that one. Awesome 2nd set with a great drums with Mickey pounding on the beam into a lovely space into a great Box of rain. The local newspaper posted a very good review the following day. Enjoyed the flashback.

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....i saw that Box out of Space Unkle Sam. Very cool. Also saw there is a Reuben & Cherise. Will listen later, but I'll probably pick an AUD source. For the crown reaction to Reuben if nothing else.

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4/7/71 diggin' it.

Love these '71 St. Stephen's and this one is particularly nice with Drums > Jam and... ouch nasty cut.

Remember when most tapes had nasty cuts?
At least most of the tapes I had did.
Used to kill me.
Now.. that's mostly taken care of with a crafty patch from an Audience recording.
No such luck on this one.
Oh well, just another picky Dead Head I guess ;)

Will try and make it to 4/7/91 today as well. I cheated a little and listened to Ruben already.
UNKLE let's hear some stories, were the rumors circulating about R&C 3rd of 4 played I believe.
Always down for a Crazy Fingers > PITB > UJB > PITB and Box out of Space, can't beat that.
'91 is a good year.

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4/7/71; 4/7/72; 4/7/91
trifecta, I’ve been using that word a lot lately.
4/8/71 has one of the few Dark Star appearances of 1971. Go deh , tomorrow .

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Dead.

I didn't realize these '91 shows were at the Greatest Place On Earth.
(PS - Not Norway, it was at Disneyland, marketed as the GPOE;)

What a trip!

EDIT:
Strider they played a trifecta of Disneyland Dead in '91.
And PF you went long... never mind, my screen was small.

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woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow

GD

THE GREATEST BAND OF ALL TIME.

THE GREATEST, JERRY!!! THE GREATEST!!!

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Another enjoyable performance/solid outing by the band beyond description!
Another I might not of ever hit if not for this board and all y’all’s turn ons.
Mañana I’m doing another double dip with 4/8/71 and then ???
Did some one say Dark Star?
😲

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That’s just PF thinking outside the box.

Got 4-7-91 going now. Had it on cassette, and it was a pretty good sounding copy.

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If ya'll are into it, I encourage you to check out the KC Masterpiece that is 12/10/79.

Solid first set with a rocking CRS>GSET opening combo and a stellar Dancin'>Franklins that is the best of that 79 groove, and a nice, quick, high-energy Deal to close it out.

Killer 2nd set with an OFF THE HOOK FOTM (sadly, the Scarlet is only in AUD), but the Fire is stratospheric! A must listen, IMHO. After a bummer "Easy to Love You" (easy to love you, Brent, but ewww...) things get back on track with LIG>He's Gone>Truckin' that is lights out - the Truckin' is incredibly high-energy ROCK AND ROLL! then Drums>Space>Wharf Rat (gorgeous)>JBG (rocking!) ends the set, USBlues encore (also rocking!)

Not sure why this show seems to be under the radar - it is a SMOKER through and through. Here is a link to the Matrix:
https://archive.org/details/gd1979-12-10.126986.mtx.dusborne.flac16

Oh, don't let the flubs in Peggy-O set you off course. There is a TON of incredible stuff coming down the pike!

Peace
https://archive.org/details/gd1979-12-10.126986.mtx.dusborne.flac16

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Dark Star . Go for it. Today . 50 years later.

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It was a beautiful, sunny, hot day. Very humid for April and the lot was humming with the entire family of dead freaks and heads, bozos and bolos, even the pranksters were there too. It was a lovely site, the cops on horseback helping instead of rounding up, no real hassles except on this date the opd did chase a dude into the very deep (some said bottomless) sink hole lake (actually a big pond) out in front of the since torn down old "O"rina. Not a good day for that dude as he did drown but it did not stop the festivities for the entire 3 days that the band was in town.
Jerry and Mountain Girl and kids went to Disneyworld (not land) that morning and got back in time to rest up a bit and make the show. Jerry was well rested, had a big smile on his face throughout the show and laid down some very nice runs.
The first set starts off with a Jack Straw, a good one and we are on our way, the cops had been told "hands off" for this show and the smell of cannabis was everywhere inside the arena. It was like the old days, everyone happy, everyone stoned and the band in good spirits. Then into Sugaree, Jerry just fine, voice and playing, then into wang dang doodle which got the crowd groovin' into the meat of the first set with Row Jimmy, a bit slow and the crowd wanes a bit but the Black Throated Wind was extra good into the 3rd and final performance of Rubin and Cherise, which had a few around us looking puzzled, as they did not recognize the song. It was a fine version and Jerry belts it out. Followed by a promised land. There was a buzz around the lot earlier that they had broke out some old classics but no one mentioned Rubin, it was a big surprise and very well done, then into Promised Land to end a short but awesome first set.
The second set starts off with Crazy Fingers, you know it's gonna get good now, and it did. The second set is just sublime with Playin'>UJB into a killer drums with Mickey and Billy just wailing away, Mickey on the Bean which sent a few from the front running to the back. We got a kick out of that, newbees were not ready for that, into a beautiful space that Jerry shreds on into a nice box that was requested by someone who's dad was sick and Phil responded beautifully. Then GDTRFB, had not heard that one in quite a while and we all danced and danced. Then Bobby follows that up with Lovelight, never thought I would hear that song again, not the Pig version but still a rarity that didn't get much play since Pig left us. All over now was the encore and we left the orena and stumbled back to our room. We had rented a room at the Omni right next door to the orena and had it for 2 nights, party central and just about any favor that you wanted was there.
We got wasted on Black hash and red bud Colombian all night. I had brought some tripping lps with us and we rented a turntable from the hotel. Just after this show, the omni got sold and we paid for the rooms in advance but the rentals were extra and were to be billed to us later. We never got a bill. We slept in a bit the next day then wandered down to the lot for another day of full on partying until the next show, which is another story. Ps, another great show, so much fun that they added a third show.

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Good to hear from you Otis. I am going to check this out. I love 79. A lot of great shows in 79…..... Oh and in 1980..

Thanks for the pick.

Stay well.

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12/10/79 & 4/8/71
Maybe I was not clear on my recommendation for today.
I do not recommend every 50 year anniversary should be listened to. If it has some history involved, like Capitol Theater or Manhattan Center I would think it would behoove a deadhead to check it out.

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I'm in on the Twofer.. keying the first one up.. approximately... now.

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I'm hip Fo Sure.

Kinda want to finish that 1991 Orlando run at Disney World too.
(I always have mixed up World & Land.. somethings never change).
We'll see where the day takes me.
But honestly.. I've never needed much arm twisting when it comes to Dark Star, so it's 4/8/71 first for me. ;)

Hot Dog!

UNKLE - Sweet memories! I always like reading stories that start out with "It was a beautiful, sunny, hot day."
You reeled me and kept me there. Dig it, Tripping in Disney World with the whole GD Fam.
There were days!
Spring '91 could really sparkle at times. Sounds like this April in Orlando was one of those.
Good stuff.
Keep it coming, I want to hear what happened the next day after all the hash and stuff ;)

Happy Twofer / Threefer Thursday
Threefer sounds like reefer.

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Thanks for the stories Uncle Sam, I think I like the stories these days as much as the shows lol. Cool show, cool scene!
You painted a nice picture, I could feel the vibe of old!

I think ole PF likes to just toss positive ideas out into the ether, it’s up to us what sticks or not lol, but yes, we’ve been a tad schizophrenic lately DV ; )
My take on the anniversaries is certain big year events, like 50s, especially that seem to have some sort of consensus, are good picks, or at least second picks...that’s why I’ve been trying to go twofer; the usual POTD, like today’s fine 79 pick, AND the historic 50th pick. Otherwise I find the same ole “anniversary” picks can get very predictable and boring.
I still find the coolest thing about this place is getting turned on to awesome left field stuff that you might never had gotten to. Perhaps today’s pick will be a good example? The unpredictability, like it was going to a show; “what will they play?” (especially fun if you don’t peak!) But hey that’s just me, and I believe the only rule we have is that we have no rules...well, perhaps to be respectful to each other!

Sorry for the editorial, now back to your regularly scheduled drumz/space...er a “twofer”

EDIT: yeah GOGD, I’d like to hear “the rest of the story” as well as the shows. We should pencil them in over the next few days perhaps as extras if other folks have picks?

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4/8/71 first set down (1st & down) Dark Star on deck.
12/10/79 just uploaded from relisten.
Phatty Patrol successful.
Ready to a- go go.

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Again a beautiful day in Oville as we rambled down to the lot that early afternoon, the sun was out, freaks on the streets, in cars, up in the trees, it was just out of site. We (there were 5 of us) were in the middle of a lot party, meeting lots of people, lots of ladies scantily dressed, everywhere there was dead music playing and just a big wonderful party. We had been smoking and drinking for about 6 hours and I was getting wasted, I pulled up along side of a big tree and sat down, the rest of the crew continued on.
As I awoke it was late afternoon and show time was fast approaching. Scurried back to the room to get the show favors and there was a head in the hallway whispering "downers" "downers" I approached, they were reds (or so I thought) and bought a couple as they used to be my favorites back in the 70's when you could still find them. He said his old lady had a prescription so I was like , big time score.
A few minutes later the rest of the crew showed up and I told them about the reds, of course everyone wanted some but I only could get a couple so they flipped for it and I gave the winner one.
On to the show, the place is packed, second show of the run and everyone is antsy, the feeling was electric. I think the band could feel it too cause they opened up with half step, a big favorite of mine, and the crowd loves it, in my past experiences, a half step opener usually means a real barn burner so I was stoked. I decided to eat the red and see what happens, an ok walkin blues into a sweet Peggy-O, then I start to feel it, it's knocking me off my feet, Me and my Uncle and Maggie's farm and I'm down in my seat a Dire Wolf beginning and that's all I remember. I woke up a couple of times I was told later and tried to get up, to no avail. During Drums and space my buddies were literally caring me around, going from space to space, and according to them, I was loving it. I woke up the next morning and was fit to be tied, those weren't reds, like the guy told me, the guy who got the extra said he thought they were Tylox, which if you haven't taken or heard of them, they are a powerful sedative/pain reliever given for kidney stones. Good thing I didn't take both of them, could have been a real bummer.
The hotel room had to be vacated at noon, so off we went down to the lot, found a place to park that was quite a ways away as we had been parked in the hotel lot but they told us we would be towed if we didn't move. As we were coming back from parking the car in the city garage, we run into this head who's selling sheets 100 for 150. he had a bunch of them, little red roses, we were set for the final show, and it was a real doobie dazzler.

new to me - just now listening to first set. some interesting unusual keyboard caught my ear - didn't sound like Pig. I thought this is Boston maybe this is a Ned Lagin show and sure enough he played the whole show per his website. So yeah some Ned keyboard as a bonus! http://spiritcats.com/nedbase.html.

Here's an interesting tidbit about 4/8 from Spiritcats: During the break Jerry asks Ned what he would like to play - he asks for "Alligator", "The Eleven", and "Dark Star". They do "Dark Star".

"Now they call you Prince Charming
Can't speak a word when you're full of 'ludes"

My mama said
to get things done
you better not mess with
pills

US's story is scary

gimme somma dat green instead, please

PS can you identify crosswalks when you are on 'ludes?

4/8/71: perhaps my fav besides/since 2/19?
They definitely have been getting tighter each show and by now perhaps were getting comfortable with the new tunes/format. Maybe that’s partially why they took a little detour back to the ways of old...and/or Ned was in da house?
Chever way it was great show!

12/10/79: only made it to drums before I got cut off...decent first set, really enjoyed the disco Dancin’.
Second set has been hot so far...yasssir that Fire is scorching...I even liked the Easy to Love lol, but that Truckin’ is worth the price of admission in itself! Yowsa dats the shit right there boys and girls! That’s why we listen to hours and hours of Dead, to find THAT!! That jam got the full Minglewood!

Mañana?? May I please request at least one show off of released disc as I won’t be able to stream all day lol.

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Dick's Picks 20? Two shows, almost. I haven't listened to that one in ages, so I need a refresh.

Ignore me if this was done already.

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Good call on this show Otis. The matrix was really good. I like Easy to Love you. Brent's voice obviously changed a lot over the years. I really like the 79 Franklin's. Great second set. Not terribly long. Nice US Blues encore.

Could we please see some more love for 79-81?

Dick's 20 for tomorrow sounds great. I haven't listened to these two 76 shows since last year at some point. Let's do it. Thanks Bolo.

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...and it's got a Pretty Peggy-O.

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Bertha leads...

now on Sugaree

I love the sound of the band on this release...a multi-jointed creature such as a spider, walking down a roadway.

or something like that...

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Let me grab my old platform shoes and flared pants...oh, can’t forget the puffy shirt!

Ooopps, almost forgot my bullet ; )

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very good to hear that release again

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Finished 9/25/76 and need to get moving on 9/28.

The first 76 release and it still delivers. Great Minglewood, Peggy O. Love the second set. Last Cosmic Charlie. The Scarlet is awesome and you kind of feel it wants to go somewhere. Nice finish.

Always thought it was interesting when they came back in 1976 how long it took for some of the songs to reappear.
Truckin at Englishtown, Casey Jones and Dire Wolf in October-November 77. China Rider on New Years 77 and of course Dark Star on New Years 78.

Really looking forward to the next release. What are we, three weeks away.

Stay well out there folks.

17 years into the archival releases. I remember getting this one well.. I thought (think) it was (is) spectacular.

This was still early enough in the series where every release was special, and the first from 1976 if memory serves. Was it a Healy or Betty recording? Healy is referenced on wikipedia, which seems odd. Anyway....

I'm partial to the Cap Centre show but perhaps it's just a hometown vibe thing. Both shows are strong. But hey, it has a Peggy-O and perhaps my favorite supplication jam prior to '85. But the next two discs are perhaps better. The Playing in the Band sequence is a unique beast, really something.. the Comes a Time>Eyes>Tango>Dancin' is one of the better jams of the year. Wowwy.

This release always was held in good regard. It could be because it came so early in the release schedule and was a twofer for the first of the '76 shows released. It could also be because it really is a special sequence of shows. Not sure why.. but this, to me, is a listen to very stoned show.. really good Indica. After the work is done and you have earned a really good night off.. something to do when you have no responsibilities whatsoever.. just zone out and be yourself.

That's my read.. Been a long time since I listened to these two. Dick knew what he was doing and it was a good listen today all these years later.

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Yes, it was Healy on this one and Dave's 4. Rex was killed in a car accident I believe over Labor Day Weekend and Betty was off the road for a while.
RIP Rex.

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that explains it

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Opened archive
I scrolled
There it is saying "PLAY ME"
6 17 75

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Detroit in 88 and Rosemont in 89... So i just went on archive to listen to the Joe Louis Arena show that i have not listened to in years... Had an audience tape that sounded like they were across the river in Windsor.... There is a Charlie Miller Board, and the notes says its one of the few boards of 88 with no ambient mics (Maybe this means no Healy Ultra Mix) On the opening Hell in a Bucket... Good quality board... Gonna give it a spin... Bob t recommending an 88 show!!!

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