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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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May 20, 2021 - 6:06am

#1351

Angry Jack Straw

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Speakers

Get a pair of the Dominator MX-10s. That will solve the problem.
May 19, 2021 - 10:25pm

#1352

DeadVikes

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Carlo

Carlo,

Ha!

Man, we need a box announcement. How about tomorrow or today depending on your time zone. Let's get it out Thursday, May 20.

And stop yelling out songs we already played tonight.
May 19, 2021 - 10:08pm

#1353

carlo13

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Tea

I remember once at a giant's stadium show, I meet this chick who offered me some mushroom tea and being new to this way of consuming shrooms, I sat in my car staring up at the ceiling and realizing I swigged too much. I then started to hear the show beginning but I waited it out till I could contain myself. I finally got out of the car feeling enough time had passed and realized that the music was only a boom box playing a dead tape next to my car. I felt like a total doorknob and never mentioned it to anyone till now.
May 19, 2021 - 9:30pm

#1354

JimInMD

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Re: Oro

It sounds to me like your bass cabinets are not tall enough. A standing bass wave is 17 meters in height.. you need bigger speakers, stacks of them, preferably able to play in quadraphonic.. one 17 meter stack for each string of the bass guitar.

That is all. See my previous post on what measures to take to make this problem go away. Don't forget to destroy the credit card.
May 19, 2021 - 5:47pm

#1355

estimating prof

Joined:
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It's the tapes man...

Great discussion going here. I can't resist getting drawn in with my own 2 cents.

Caveat emptor - I am not an audio engineer or expert in such areas. I do listen to a lot of music and grateful dead shows.

My two cents is the audio "distortions" that we have commented on here are in the source recordings of Sept 8 1973.

Why do I think this?

- Dick talked about releasing this show in the 90s and Dave says it's one of his favorite 73 shows, and it was just now released 20 some years later. If you've followed Dave for any length of time, you know that he doesn't release shows with lesser audio quality unless he really has to. He's also too good of a salesman to come out and say "we didn't release this until now because the tape has some issues. Jeffrey worked on it again and says it's as good as it's gonna get, so we're releasing it because it's A Tremendous Show"...Right?

- Seems to me on any given night a recording of a grateful dead concert might not be perfect because those involved in making it were distracted - for any number of reasons.
In the grand scheme of things, it's seems to me much less likely that we would end up with as many really good recordings as we have. They stopped caring about recordings for a lot of the 80s and a lot of those tapes don't have good audio - compared to a Betty board.

- My experience with this release is that the recording of 9/8 sounds significantly different than 9/7.
9/8 was indeed jarring when I first put it on.

All that said, it really is a fantastic and unique show. I've been loving it. I listened to discs 2 and 3 at proper volume with some beverages last weekend and it knocked my socks off again.

Just can't resist a good mystery.
May 19, 2021 - 4:50pm

#1356

Sixtus_

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ORO

I bow to my new sound technician overlord.
What a fantastic and forensic analysis.
Bravo.

Sixtus
May 19, 2021 - 4:38pm

#1357

icecrmcnkd

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Nice work detective Oro

Caveat emptor indeed needed
May 19, 2021 - 4:18pm

#1358

Oroborous

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Sorry/thanks..

I’ll go back to lurking now ; )
GO AVs!
May 19, 2021 - 4:17pm

#1359

Oroborous

Joined:
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Caveat Emptor Indeed!

DaP 38
No doubt Mike, but I think some of us were concerned it was a production issue versus usual GOGD zits and all..
But!,

After furthur review, I think this is just a perfect storm of normal, smaller issues that combined can be very noticeable and thus annoying.
I think perhaps this was a case of a great show, but not the best source? Perhaps the ravages of time were more than they considered, but bye the ticket...once committed, they had to see it through?

Examples you say? Since I spent all day...
$ = quick and dirty references if you don’t want the full report lol ; )
BERTHA starts with usual opening idiosyncrasies that are not part of our focus except in how these “usual” suspects interact and combine with our target issues. Listen though to the snare, and eventually the Hi Hat (that shows up more later). Part of the problem is the snare wires resonating and bleeding through other mics. Then you throw in Bob who’s really loud. It seems his speakers must be set up in front of Billy somewhat as Bobs guitar seems to exasperate the snare problem...
You can really hear this in the quiet just after the song when Bobs banging some chords, listen to the snare wire rattle etc! It gets better but I think it’s a reoccurring ingredient of this aural stew. Bobs level and distortion (both intended and otherwise) are another stew ingredient.
Listen to both guitars and keys during the instrumental section. Think this is more normal type distortion but again, adds sometimes to the stew...

ME & MY UNCLE: more of the same early in especially...I found it useful to use my balance control throughout and it’s often the right channel where the problems mostly live.
By SUGAREE it sounds like maybe some kind of processing added for the snare issue? Early on not too bad, occasionally usual type moments of old R& R tape and/or guitar distortion, but around 6:18 you can hear some noise on the snare roll etc, by 6:23 through 6:33 you can get a good taste of the overall phenomena. But generally the song wasn’t bad.
Status quo fir next couple, LL RAIN I seemed to notice the Hi Hat more prevalent and adding to and getting snare bleed etc. Made me think there’s something up with one of the Drum overhead mics? If so, bleed from everything! would exasperate an issue there? Perhaps another stew ingredient...Bob has some noticeable distortion, perhaps “normal” around 3:45 or so and 4:40+. It overall kind of kicks in on the end chorus’, but not too bad overall.
JACK STRAW not so bad, a little somethin round 3:40 with snare/hat/cymbals?
Also, I think this show suffers overall from the goofy custom condenser vocal mics that add to our stew. Listen to the end of Row J between the 8:30 and 9:00 mark...
Let It Grow is overall not too bad. Get usual Phil spikes occasionally on peaks, and my notes suggest that I’m convinced much of the “problem” here and throughout is Bobs too loud? Not sure if too loud is correct, perhaps he’s playing really loud (it was a big hall with loud NY crowd for that period?) and the recordings fine, your just hearing his rig distort? But though I really dig his sound and prevalence in the mix, cause he’s killing it, perhaps he’s occasionally a tad loud relative to other sources? (Good example in upcoming tape splice)
Oh, and what the hell was that weird “organ” sound starting around 12:55 or so lol, certainly not a B3! Pretty wild whatever it was.
ROLLL OUT the Barrel sounded pretty good lol.
EYES you can get a good taste during the instrumental section around 2:30..and a good example of normal piano clipping (sensitive pickups), but then he switches to ? guessing the Rhodes, which occasionally has its own distortion characteristics, but this is more of what I call normal stuff.
Listen around 9:40+ for what I call FM like static. This is another stew ingredient that is harder to hear, not always there, but there on occasion?
More of the same minor stuff through to about 3:30 in BIG RIVER, though Bob goes way outta tune at 2:25 in GSET and seems to take a few tunes to fully get back lol.
$ LET ME SING is perhaps the best overall example of many things going on on this release. This and $ CHINA CAT are the most obvious examples of the idiosyncrasies on this release. Check out LMS at 2:00 mark and at the end etc.
check out Weirs intro licks to China Cat and some of that drum stuff at 1:30+...eventually it gets better and by RIDER it’s sorta status quo again (meaning instances but nothing huge).
From there on I mostly stopped with notes and just listened, though $ Trucking, GDTRFB etc are good examples of the “stew” especially the blending of the cymbally snare FM static with Bobs distortion whether intentional or not, it all adds up.
EDIT: $$$ end of show especially One Mo Sat is really dirty all the way around, and
TRUCKIN’ TAPE SPLICE? $$ Check out how “it” almost disappears at 4:56, actually something starts to be tweaked a little before that? Bobs not there at all until around 6:00 but he’s back at 6:22. Sounds like a tape splice, perhaps using a cassette, or perhaps some processor kicked in and out, but what’s most interesting is listen to Bob comparatively during these 2 sections, before, during, and after, it’s amazing how much different the 2 sound, especially Bob, and seemingly our phenomena too!
By George I think we’ve figured most of this out!

Conclusion: it’s the battered old tape, complicated by a perfect storm of minor, often normal anomalies, and an unusual Weir mix for good or for ill, and when occurring simultaneously, often during song peaks, it can unfortunately be distracting.
Listening equipment, environment, and personal habits no doubt play a roll in individual experiences. I can see how many folks might not notice much of this.
But on revealing equipment with certain ears it can be so obvious as to be jarring on first occasion.
Like many uncertainties, once the knowledge is gained, the dissonance is usually manageable. Getting better with every listen, though at low volume : (
VERDICT: Caveat Emptor indeed, but with perhaps an extra pinch...

EDIT: this in no way shape or form describes the musical content, which is superb!
May 19, 2021 - 3:09pm

#1360

That Mike

Joined:
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Point Set Match to Oro

Oro - That is quite a great dissertation on sound production! You know your stuff!
I’ve never had the ear of a Brian Wilson/George Martin, and I know Dick’s & Dave’s come with the odd hiccup and blemish, but at the end of the day, it’s The Grateful Dead.

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Carlo--ABBA

Carlo, if I had a nickel for every time I thought I heard the show starting, only to find out it was someone's car stereo in the parking lot, well, I could afford 3/10 of 1% of a Dead & Co. ticket. :)

Just last weekend I was at someone's patio party, and they had hooked up a sound system outside for dancing later (all attendees have been vaccinated), and at some point when the music had run out, I went over and cued up all kinds of ABBA; they're always a crowd-pleaser, and definitely one of my guilty pleasures, kind of like a feminine KISS.

I haven't made it to the show from the 8th yet, but thought that the bonus material from the 7th was really top-notch.

Wow

9/30/76

7/17/82

Listen to those without looking at the setlists

ABBA vs KISS....

....I would pay top dollar for that double bill. Seriously.
Vegas kicking some Wild ass.
Scored a PS5 and Vegas Phish tix yesterday on my birthday.
Looking for the Golden Knights to complete my circle around the sun trifecta.

A Happy Belated Birthday VGuy

Nice list of birthday shows.... culminating with a hometown show.

05/21/74- Edmundson Pavilion - Seattle, WA
05/21/77- Lakeland Civic Center - Lakeland, FL
05/21/82- Greek Theater, University Of California - Berkeley, CA
05/21/92- Cal Expo Amphitheater - Sacramento, CA
05/21/93- Shoreline Amphitheatre - Mountain View, CA
05/21/95- Sam Boyd Silver Bowl - Las Vegas, NV

Fall '76 vs. Fall '77

Another good matchup to get immersed in... :-)

Re: Matchup

Agree.. one celebrates what will become and the other reflects on what was.

These tours are very different yet very well matched.

B.B. King. Let the Good Times Roll

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YilKId6BQ1s. I saw B.B. King play 7 or 8 times and he always put on a killer show! I met him in Reno one time between shows, he was super friendly.

B.B. King

I saw B.B.King live 4-5 times between about 1983 and 1990. The first time was one of the best gigs I have ever seen. I knew who he was, and had heard a couple of his 1970s albums, but nothing prepared me for the power and presence he had live. I was sitting right at the front, and was transfixed. Everyone I went with after that first occasion was similarly impressed. Apart from the guitar playing, singing and songs he seemed so warm and well meaning as a person. One of the best.

Vegas 4-0

Thats pretty decisive in hockey, eh?

9 23 76

a few songs into that one

Several hours later...

Great, great, great show.

Tony Joe White

As usual a day late and a dollar short.

JUST found this guy,,, like his sound and was VERY surprised I have none in The Collection.

Any huge fans out there that have everything and might want to do some horse trading?

Hit me up.

Thanks

@Daverock & BTK

As regards BB King, I first saw him in 1969 when he opened for the Stones...also on the bill was Terry Reid and Ike & Tina Turner...two shows on 11-08-69 (my 19th Birthday BTW) at The Forum in Inglewood...I know every one raves (and rightly so) about "Live At The Regal" but my fave is "Live In Japan" done in '71....BB was a STINGING guitar player and had the best voice going...The last time I saw him was at a festival in Sedona AZ he headlined...even sitting in a chair he rocked the joint

Another box comment

RFK 73

Box it, please, Dave.

May 73

Box it, please, Dave.

Fwiw...I have it on good authority (my own)...

The box announcement will occur on 6 8 21

Good Evening and Welcome to Here

49 years. Bobby's greeting to the crowd at the first of four nights at the Lyceum. And then Jerry and Billy rip into one of the best Promised Lands. And it's Dark Star night.

Happy birthday Vguy!

Lyceum Run

I love that run...

Nothing worse

than taking the dog out to go to the bathroom with a 4-1 lead, only to return minutes later to find the game tied. The Oilers suck.

Always Look on the Bright Side...

I could have been worse..

For example if you had stayed to watch them tie it up, point by point absorbing more pent up aggravation.. and the dog noticing you had given up on him and could wait no longer.. finally relieving himself with much shame on the Persian carpet in the hallway. That would have been worse.

So at least the dog is happy.

Edit: ...or watched them until they lost without walking the dog. I'm with proudfoot on this one. I have my sports and my favorite teams.. it's great when they win but I try hard not to get too invested in it anymore. I remember Elaine's boyfriend on Seinfeld (Puddy??).. the one that painted his face and chest for each game. Just try not to be that person and all is good with the world, especially when they win.

Sports will make you crazy, ladies & gentlemen

××××××××××××××××××

Well now...

This week in May has a lot of good memories for me...from a weekend at The Shrine Expo Hall in LA with the Dead, Steve Miller and Taj Mahal in'68 to the following year and attending the Santa Clara Pop Festival...I was spoiled...the best was on the third day of the Festival...Chuck Berry opened the show and Jimi closed...pretty much said it all to me at the time and it still does...The sad part of course is that from the group of five of us who drove up the coast (in a VW bug of course) from LA to San Jose only two of us are still around to annoy each other...Around that time was also the beginning of fun and games with the SSS and the government in general for the next couple of years...haha fooled you bureaucratic nitwits, I'm still here...

Otis Redding/ Ole Man Trouble

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo7RZ1dluXk. Wow, what a great singer!

Live in Japan - Daves 38

Nappy - yes, that is a great BB King live album. It has a lot more guitar playing on than is usually the case with his albums. Another good one is Blues Is King, from 1966 - although the cd I have of it doesn't sound too good. That must be one of the all time legendary tours, when you saw him with The Stones, Ike and Tina and Terry Reid.
I've seen Terry Reid live, too-superb singer. Apparently Jimmy Page's first choice for vocalist with Led Zeppelin.

I've been breaking in Dave's 38. I can't say its the best release from 1973 I've ever heard. In fact, apart from the fact that Dick Latvala told him it was a good show, it's hard to figure why he chose this show over other September 1973 ones. The following ones in Williamsburg look much more interesting. We get what we are given.

Happy Birthday Bob Dylan!

THE greatest songwriter ever. Have a great one, Bob, and I hope, many more.

AJS - I don’t think the Samsonite Business Elite could fold as quickly and efficiently as your Oilers did last night. For all those who picked Connor McDavid in their playoff pools…

The Last Lovelight

5/24/72 - night two of the Lyceum run, but more notably, the anniversary of Pigpen's last Lovelight. It's my favorite. They streamline it down to a smooth 12 minutes that includes some Allman-like jamming, which was par for the course for Lovelight by '72; but unlike its two counterpart versions from the tour, they get into that great 'doot-doot-doo' melody at10:05. Pigpen's improvised lyrics over this quiet drumless guitar / bass melody are some of the best. Nothing about refrigerator repair men or pocket ball or legs-up-against the-wall. This one is....ahem....closer to the heart. Don't have that E72 show? No problem - it's on Rockin' the Rhein as well (bonus track). To Pigpen.

The Edmonton Oilers....

....there's collapses, then there's that game.

Oilers fans....

play Swans' Public Castration is a Good Idea at FULL volume

That lame-ass final play of Seahawks v (that football team in the northeastern region of this wacko nation)....just give the ball to Marshawn. "No, let's pass in tight quarters."

the Mariners got no-hit twice within two weeks or something...and have lost 20 in a row (wait, only 6 or 7)

Sports: BE GONE!!!

re: Carlo

right on dude, no worries - no pressure! Its a fun little course and provides for some excellent outdoor time, super casual. At your leisure! Shoot me a PM if you wish.

Oro - kiss your radio - don't think about, just DO IT!

And there is ALWAYS the possibility for the First Annual Hilltop Disc Golf Tourney, complte with a blaring GD soundtrack outside with multi-beverage stop offs and the like. A fine idea!

KF, glad you found that 6/6/70 jam to be something special. It is pretty hot, they cover a ton of ground in that one.

Enjoy Your Week People
Sixtus

Vguy

At least I was not there to witness it. I would have thrown the remote through the TV screen. What's even worse, before I went upstairs to put the dog to bed, I told my daughter that while I was gone, the Oilers would lose. Then I hear my youngest yell, "the blue team scored." Damn dog.

Reminds me of the 2013 Leafs game 7 collapse against Boston. All those fans partying out there on Yonge Street thinking they are going on to the next round. 4-1 lead with 10 minutes to go in the game. Exact same outcome.

Sir James - the dog already took care of ruining our Persian rug. No need to wait around for that. Less than a month after we got her, I stepped in something warm and squishy with just my socks on. Looking down, I noticed two big piles. Thanks for that little puppy dog.

Thanks for the reminder AJS

About the Leafs big (and frequent) collapse. Now I have to cover all the mirrors in the hose again.

Just think Proudfoot - you will have the Kraken joining the NHL next season, and like most expansion teams (Vegas, excepted), you may be calling them the Krapen before too long.

For the golfer/disc golfers:

A golf club walks into a local bar and asks the barman for a pint of beer.
The barman refuses to serve him.
"Why not," asks the golf club.
"You'll be driving later," replies the bartender.

Happy 80th To Der Bob...

The Summer of '66 was mighty fine...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOCYQtrm19s

So...

A Minster, Priest and Rabbi walk into a bar...
The bartender looks up and says "Is this some kind of joke?"

Mike

Glad to help out.

I actually like the Leafs. I've worn a Leafs jersey my entire adult life playing pick-up scrub hockey. In fact, we made the trip up to Maple Leaf Garden in 1993 when they played Gretzky and the L.A. Kings for the right to go to the Cup finals. Tickets were going for $900, so we went across the street to the local pub and partied it up with the locals. Great time.

However, as a long time Red Sox fan, I've learned how to deal with adversity in sports. Better to laugh it off. Like the Red Sox and Cubs, you will have your day in the sun. So hang in there. Until then, just remember the reason why the hockey Hall of Fame is in Toronto is so you guys can see the Stanley Cup.

Good luck against the Habs. I'll jump on board once the Oilers are eliminated tonight.

This is Canadaland's year.

AJS

It could be our year here. I’ll miss the Leaf jokes, though. There’s always the Blue Jays or the Craptors, I guess…

Last one, honest:
An Irishman, Englishman and Scotsman go into a pub and each order a pint of Guinness.
Just as the bartender hands them over, three flies buzz down and one lands in each of the pints.
The Englishman looks disgusted, pushes his pint away and demands another pint.
The Scotsman picks out the fly, shrugs, and takes a long swallow.
The Irishman reaches in to the glass, pinches the fly between his fingers and shakes him while yelling, "Spit it out, ya bastard! Spit it out!"

Look like any box set we all know and love . . . ?

https://www.homethreads.com/products/rugs/safavieh-rugs/blg535m-blue-pi…

Found it while shopping for items for a bathroom remodel.

Here in MN, we all understand that other than the long-passed history of the Vikings in the four Super Bowls and the two Twins World Series victories, the teams will never win. Except the Lynx, who won a LOT not too long ago . . .

4 down...NEXT!

Ha, yer all a bunch of whiney rookies when it comes to losing! Lol
Try 4 super bowl losses, IN A ROW! and 2 Stanley Cups, one stolen!, and countless other championship games lost, or more accurately, handed over!
But hey, at least the Dead always played good there; )

99 times out 100

sports is...

https://www.istockphoto.com/vector/kicked-in-the-balls-gm165942268-2214…

but anyway...

after work today: 5/19/77

Oro

No need to tell me. Went to every Sabres game in the ‘99 conference finals against the Leafs and every Cup finals game against the Stars. We were 15 rows off the ice, right in front of where Brett Hull scored the “winning” goal while in the crease. It still hurts.

Sports talk....

....Tom Brady sux. That is all.
And if you are wondering why I think that, click my personal info page. Self explanatory.

That Mike and KF

That Mike, some good jokes lately. I forget exactly what you said with the Jeff Norman joke but it was perfect timing. Something like I don't want to hear any trouble out of you.

KeithFan, I'm embarrassed to admit this but I usually skip over Turn on Your Lovelight. I just can't take a half hour! Even 20 minutes is a little rough. But I never like to ignore a strong recommendation from "the reguars" and you are absolutely balls on accurate about Rocking The Rhein. I never was able to get my hands on a copy of 5/24, but thankfully Dave put it on Rhein. I only know a few Allman songs, Jessica and everything from the Fillmore East box set. I hear the similarities in style. That is a great section in Lovelight at 10:05. I must have played it 10 ttimes!

Sorry you guys are having hockey woes. Cubs fan here. Long time Cubs fan.

That is a good Lovelight

I have an odd way of listening to Lovelight. I usually get into the first 5 minutes and the fast forward to the last 5 minutes. By the way Keithfan, I am familiar with the "doot-doot-doo" part. It's hit or miss whether they play it, going back to even the 60s renditions. Therefore I am not surprised they skipped it a couple of time on the Europe tour. What did surprise me was they only played it 3x. I don't know that box set as well as I thought. If you asked me before today I would have said Pig alternated it with Good Lovin'. Shows you what I know (but I do have the original vinyl pressing of Europe '72). I listened to the 5/24 rendition per your instructions and it's a great through and through. Never again will I FF a 1972 Lovelight. Their jam approach is much different than previous years and I ask myself who was influencing who.

5/24/69. St. Stephen / feedback

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MuKtJybeK_s. Road Ttrips vol. 4 #1 , well worth getting if you don't have it. Now it's time for that BIG 1969 box set, six shows, April 1969 Avalon & Ark. I'm ready!

I think a 1969 box....

....would be met with much rejoicing from all the Heads out there. No. Brainer.

I ve already splained about

my opinion on lovelight

Can be tedious
TMI

But occasionally can go places

But check out this one

That was the point of the Lovelight post, correct me if I'm wrong KF. A lot of us find it tedious just like you Proudfoot, but this one's different because it's shorter and has a sweet spot, and jams differently. Check it out

Day 2 Santa Clara Pop Festival

So on day two of the festival Jefferson Airplane were the headliner...but since hippies can't do shit right as far as orginization goes the show ran way way over...The Airplane had been on for about 20 minutes when the show went past curfew and the cops pulled the plug on it...the band and the crowd were pretty upset. a minor squabble broke out in front of the stage but overall not too bad and we all filed out...there was an athletic field next to the venue and people were allowed to camp there...back at our spot we partied with others until it was time to crash....a few hours later just before sunrise we were woken by loud noises coming from the baseball field...we went to investigate and there was a large flat bed truck with equipment set up on it and generators firing up for power and the frickin' Airplane did a show for us from the flatbed...amazing...one of the coolest things I ever witnessed...nearly 27 years later I was introduced to Jack Cassidy backstage at the first Furthur Tour stop in Phoenix...My pal that introduced me mentioned to Jack about that show and how I had been in attendence...he laughed and said that doing that gig was one of the nuttiest things they ever did...

Regarding Lovelight

As much as I loved Pig and seeing Lovelight live I can understand folks not being able to deal with the lenghty raps he laid on the crwod...but have you folks ever heard the edited version from Live Dead? It first appeared on an annual Warner Bros/Reprise Sampler that was usually a double LP and sold for like $2...each edition would have tunes from the label's roster and an edited seven minute version of Lovelight was included on the one titled "The Big Ball" from 1970....If I'm not mistaken the label ended up using that seven minute version on Skeletons From The Closet too...here's a good article on the Big Ball release
https://www.newdirectionsinmusic.com/warner-bros-loss-leader-series-the…

E72 Lovelights

I have a soft spot for them all. They, well to me at least.., are all very special.
But that's just me. Bickershaw is my favorite.. it just jams nonstop.. the transitional piece from Hundred Year Hall is really special, so I love that one too.. almost as much as Bickershaw. ..and I loved 5/25 on today's listen. I do not think any from the tour suffered from excessive rapping/noodling. They were powerful and went places without any wasted time.

I do get what people are saying, but I don't really hear it in April and May 1972.

Bobby Blue Bland/ Lovelight

I saw Bobby Blue Bland close out the S.F. Blues Festival one year with Lovelight, it was really cool.

Lovelights - on, off and on again

My favourites are from Europe 1972, too. The one on Hundred Year Hall is the one I am most familiar with - great feel to it.
My least favourite are the ones that go on past the 15 minute mark-same goes for Good Lovin', for that matter. I like the idea of listening to the first and last 5 minutes of the 1969-1971 versions of Lovelight !
It was probably very different if you were hearing them live in the hall, as they were unfolding. As I've said before, there is a massive difference between what makes a great live concert and what makes a great recording of a live concert.

Fast Fact

Did you know, Don Robey, one of the “reputed” authors of “Turn On Your Love Light”, had a very shady reputation, and often published music he stole from writers, using the pseudonym DEADRIC Malone…
Truth is stranger than fiction.

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