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    "When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

    Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

    Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

    Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

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  • #1341
    Oroborous
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    ABBA!

    LOL, yeah when I was little I used to wonder why I got this funny feeling when ever they were on lol.
    Think those outfits could be any shorter?

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    Buenos Dias Rockeros!

    SIXTUS: digging the new sign! Tee it up Bra! FOOOUUUUUURRRRRR! Do they yell that in disc golf?

    ESTPRO: yaaaassssss, it seems to be the tapes. Like your synopsis! And it is about the mystery, though it bums me out that such a great show (s) dosent come from a better source : (
    FALL 73 Baby!..., now if we could just get: 9/11, and (pick one 12,15 or 17, hey, don’t wanna be greedy!), 10/25, 10/30, and of course 12/18! So Jim and KF, how’s that tunnel coming?

    JIM: 17 meters? Which note/string are you referring too E, A, D, or G, as the length will vary accordingly!
    What c/c? 😉...the only problem is all the scaffolding. She’s used to all the audio cartons etc, but she’s getting a little wiggly about the scaffolding?

    CARLO: dude you crack me up. Think most of us have been there one way or another, Ha! This isn’t the first time you’ve shared a similar fun story with us (fun now, perhaps not then lol) When the going gets weird....
    Thanks for sharing!

    AJS: Dominator MX 10?....weren’t those what Hasek got into? Heard it didn’t go so well and now he’s selling em outta the trunk of his car?

    MR SMITH: harsh is actually a term used frequently in audio lingo. Killer Dead indeed!
    Thanks for the cool Mickey link and as always the awesome scans!

    PF/TM: yeah, inquiring, drug ravaged, senile, dirty old men wanna know!

    DARK-STAR: glad your not hearing “it”; as it would damper your appreciation of such an otherwise stellar release!
    Attack, Sustain, and Decay are fundamentals of ALL sounds. Attack you get, sustain is sorta how long the main body of the sound is, and decay is the “trail off”. These can all been different types or times/lengths...many pro audio devices can manipulate these. Garcia’s Mutron Envelope Filter is one example. Good Compressors will have these controls.
    So there good very well be some of that, but I think unfortunately, overall it’s just not a very good source...
    And yes that is the problem with 2 track tapes, so the mix it what it is, but hey, even a bad Dead tape is usually better then some DIY tinny, noisy, crowd cassette of 80s Hair band LOL. Or as my cousin Eecktar would say “a little bit o sumthin is better than all of nothing!” Really it kinda amazes me how much really good stuff there is considering all the ways that a tape can end up unlistenable!
    I actually like the mix for the most part, cept Kieth being too low on occasion and the whole Bob thing?

    DREADING: 6/24/73 Big RR Blues. I don’t hear a problem, though when the ride cymbal comes in from 2:13 until 3:08 (right speaker if your wired correct) it is prevalent and at first I thought perhaps he was using a sizzle ride ( the kind with the rivets? Loosely attached to give it a more sizzle sound than a normal ride cymbal), but I think it’s just the way it’s EQd/miced...I can see on certain gear it could sound too prominent...

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    I love my wife dearly, but....oh my goodness...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFk6-Mn-8yg

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    Two Hot Women Sigers

    Maybe ABBA? Those two were sweeties.

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    You piqued my curiosity! I’m thinking maybe Heart, maybe the Bangles…? Inquiring minds wanna know !

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    Hi Oroborius, I meant that maybe Jeff Norman used something in the mastering of the tape to restrain any "sharp attacks" that existed on the master (good term BTW, I never heard it used before but I understood what you meant immediately). My understanding is when they recorded these things the night of the show, they were constantly making adjustments to the mix and levels throughout the show, so it's possible the master was a bit hot on places, and Norman tried to compensate? This could account for what you're describing in that one quote that I posted of yours from the other day. I forget exactly what you said but it just made me think that maybe this was the potential cause. Just a guess. I really don't hear what you're talking about, but I keep trying. I do hear some loud symbols now and then like somebody mentioned but nothing that is nearly as noticeable as the bass that was added to the Berkeley show. I don't hear anything abnormal except for the usual stuff and some occasional loud symbols.

    Hi Uncle Sam, when you say there should be a better balance of all the people playing in the band and that you hope the people who master these ancient tapes do a better job next time, it makes me think you are not aware of the difference between two track and multi track recordings. Dave's Picks are all two track recordings, which means Jeff Norman (the "masterer") only has two tapes to work with. That means multiple instruments and vocals are recorded to each tape, so there is really no way to turn anyone up or down. The reason Weir and Garcia are the two loud ones on 9/8 is because that's the way the band was recorded the night of the show. With only two tapes with which to master this release, the only thing that can be turned up and down is the left or right speaker, but I don't I think any of us would be happy if they were uneven. It's really the person who recorded the show you have to approach with your comment. With multi track recordings every instrument gets its own reel of tape. If the show was recorded on a multi track recorder then the person who masters the tapes for release CAN make some people playing in the band louder than others. But all Dave's Picks and Dick Picks and Road Picks are all two track recordings so we get what we get as far as levels are concerned. If you want a list of multi track shows PM me and I will send.

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    speaking of two

    I happened upon an old video from a certain pop band from the 70s

    the two singers are sooooooo hot

    - a wistful middle-aged man

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    wind in the willows played tea for two

    Carlo drank both cups, apparently

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    re: Carlo & Tea

    that's some pretty funny $hit man. Sounds about right and I've definitely had similar warps of space and time.

    When are we playing some Hilltop Disc Golf???
    Course is open, fully vaxxed, it's time!
    Shoot me a PM if there is interest.

    Sixtus

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    Thanks Oroborous

    Amazing look at all of the sonic ingredients of the 'stew' that is Dave's 38. With my old ears and modest sound system, even I heard the difference between 9/7 and 9/8 on first listen – thought at the time that 9/8 was 'oddly harsh' (my naive terminology). After reading your methodical and excellent analysis, I better understand why. Makes me more aware of all the miracles I take for granted that allow us to listen to 50-year-old Grateful Dead MUSIC as cleanly as is technically possible. I re-read all the chapters of your 'treatise' (without hearing aids this time 🤪), and have an even greater appreciation for the rabbits our archivist and remastering whiz continue to pull out of their hats multiple times each year. And thanks to everybody for all the great posts Uro inspired!

    Looks like Dave's 38 is the exception that proves the rule (and even so it's still 4 CDs of killer Dead!). . . Well done Dave, Jeffrey. And especially well done Oroborous.

    And speaking of Mickey's recording prowess, checkout his and Zakir's 'Sound Consciousness: Drones for Sonic Bathing': https://www.onecommune.com/sound-consciousness-mickey-hart-zakir-hussai…

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

 *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 04:26

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Something's different with the interface here.

Don't we sometimes see changes right before an announcement?

#BoxMe

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Submitted by daverock on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 04:38

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Yes, it all looks a bit odd. After logging on a box appeared asking if I wanted to translate from Russian!-despite the fact that the text still seems to be in English.
Then the format is different, and a message appears telling me I can no longer post new messages on the forum. So it will be interesting to see if this message appears.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 05:04

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Translate to Russian?!

They are going to have to get this box set announcement out the door today. They're going to need many bitcoins to pay the ransom and get their website back!

Sending a PM is nearly impossible.. Count Vlad has taken over the website.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 05:19

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That the website has been redesigned.

A little disorienting at first. Glad I’m sober or I would have been really confused.

Edit:
reCRAPTCHA appears to be the same.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 05:23

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Come on Dave,
What’s the hold up?

Time to hire a Vault assistant or two.

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Submitted by unkle sam on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 05:38

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soon there won't be anything left of the old guard

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Submitted by simonrob on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 06:41

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So they can't even get a website update right. If I scroll down to below the 10 displayed posts so I can add a new post, I first encounter another version of the header text followed by a buttload of posts in ascending order starting with the original Vguy post #1. The avatars on these old posts are huge, so I can now fully appreciate the broken fragments of Vguy's glass. After this multitude of old posts I then come to where I can type this in, but the text box is wider than the screen on my mobile. Tragic really.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 06:46

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I just applied and got an immediate response. It looks like I got the Archivist Intern job at Rhino, my mom is so proud. First things first.. what to do with Dave for the next couple years?... mmmmm

#RFK1973orBust

Edit: You're right SimonRob.. we get a close up view peoples Avatar's when we reply. It looks like someone went to town on VGuy's glass with a WorkingMan's Dead Hatchet!

Speaking of the hatchet.. it's the perfect weapon for an angry mob to wield and take over the vault. Just saying.. how many of us are there with these hatchets that have yet to see our favorite 1973 set of shows released? I'm not sure they thought this one through.

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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 07:08

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ConeKid...this show and in particular, the transition of which you speak is as good as you have discovered. Sublime, smooth, like buttaaah. It's just sooooo good, makes me wonder why they didn't do that more often. Love this show, it is release worthy IMHO.

Sixtus

P.S. I feel like I am back on dial-up and using AOL with this new website design. It almost seems as if someone did something half way then just said fuck it.

Sorry about your glass VGuy...the picture says it all. Consider it the most challenging 3-D puzzle ever. And it appears my glass is out for delivery. We shall see if we can swap shards.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 07:14

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Or Stormy Daniels? It’s too early for this I’m all confused?
Well Jim if it’s obviously ok for a mob of traitors to storm the capital with no repercussions, storming the vault seems like a no brainer!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 07:18

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VGuy.. get some super glue and two part epoxy. You can rebuild it..

better, stonger, faster than it was before.

Oh, right on Oroborous.. alright everyone, get your Workingman's Dead Hatchets.. meet you in Burbank. I'll be the one wearing a tie dye waving my WMD hatchet in the air getting tased by TSA.

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Submitted by Thin on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 09:32

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"Why are things so Strange around here?"

I think it has something to do with Gainsville... obviously.

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Submitted by wadeocu on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 10:01

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So what about Gainesville?

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Submitted by proudfoot on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 10:44

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Banesville
Canesville
Danesville
Feignsville
Hanesville
Janesville (Wisconsin)
Kanesville
Lanesville
Mainsville
Painsville
Rainsville
Sanesville
Tamesville
Vainsville
Wanesville
Zanesville

Robotsville (eyeroll)

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Submitted by Thin on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 13:27

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"This Florida city heard a sick Shakedown Street at Alligator Alley in Nov., 1980."

"What is Gainesville, Alex?"

"Gainsville is correct. And that transition to Franklin's is pretty dope too".

"Indeed"

"..transition into Franklin's is pretty dope."

Wow.. you cannot edit posts? Fuck.. what if you make a mistake or curse or something.

Edit: Shit. I cursed.

Edit 2: Apparently you can edit and recursively erase your curse worded posts.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 15:22

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But the titles look better in bold than plain text.

The most recent site version didn’t show the post that you were responding to, whereas older site versions did show the post.
It’s helpful when you are typing a post and forget what you were responding to.

Edit:
The box that you type in is still really small on an iPad, hard to see what you are typing.
But the member photo is huge.
The web designer screwed up and switched which box was supposed to be large.

1) The old site was old and outdated.

2) The old site was overloaded with spam and needed a flush.

3) This site is now being hosted by Fancy Bear.

4) A revved up website is needed so that it doesn’t crash with the upcoming Box announcement.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 17:40

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You are correct, sir. Too funny.

...and Conekid, your top 10 list of reasons they needed to update the website is spot on.

PM's are twilight zone weird...

And what's with the Russian thing. I mean, really? How did that get into the mix?

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 19:11

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Been a long time since I spun this one. Not too shabby. I literally type off the side of my phone on this and can't read either margin when I type. Somebody didn't test this on Android phones. Or maybe we're testing it for them. I think they were unprepared for Flash deprecation.

Omg Oroborous your dog is eating his tail.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 21:06

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Let the wheels roll free

Heading south on I5 to Oregon thick traffic

Wife driving

About 100 ft ahead a big collision occurred

She steered through and kept going

Sobering moment, gents

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Fri, 06/04/2021 - 22:28

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....but at least Vegas won.
The edit button is on the left.
Got it.
Stoltz's wife can drive!
So can my wife. She drives big rigs for a living! New format is definitely not Android friendly at all.
Why is there an APPLY button on the screen?

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Submitted by simonrob on Sat, 06/05/2021 - 02:36

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That button is there so that you can apply for membership of the Garden Club.

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Submitted by unkle sam on Sat, 06/05/2021 - 09:01

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these guys on this site could fuck up a wet dream, why? why did they do this? Hey, who ever did this, you suck. Oh well, just like the rest of the what's left of the Grateful Dead, fucking awful. Who ever designed this, stick to knitting or gardening, cause you can't redesign a web site, that's for sure. BTW, it can't be UJB when Unkle John has passed on.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sat, 06/05/2021 - 17:50

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I noticed half the gardening items are sold out. I started impulse buying for my kids who have a garden....

As I went on this spending rampage, I noticed there are fewer than 500 PNW box sets left. I wonder how many Winterland 1973 and 1977 box sets they produced? Because I was able to get both of those 5-6 years after release. Either they produced way more than 15K or some of these box sets are doing better than we think.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 06/05/2021 - 19:19

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I have little to say, but repeating that phrase made me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

I get the feeling they will improve on the interface a bit.. (I hope). I am finding that except for PM's, which are a fucking train wreck, most of the functionality is ok. It's clear to me they outsourced a good bit of this, or we would not have gotten the "would you like to translate this page" bs.

But let's give them a chance to make good.

I feel a need to reach out to HendrixFreak. I hope he is not lost in the back country.

Peace all.. have the best rest of the weekend you can possibly have.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sat, 06/05/2021 - 19:36

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Ever since last week when you steered me toward that Jam on 6/6/70, I have been deep under cover of the night, searching low and high for 1970 soundboard treasures. I began with what I had but seldom visited: Dark Star 3/24/70. It goes straight into an equally mind-bending Other One. Send lawyers guns and money.

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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Sat, 06/05/2021 - 20:30

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Have fun tomorrow. Your boys are looking good.

Nice job Isles.

Playoff hockey is the best.

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Submitted by That Mike on Sun, 06/06/2021 - 05:33

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I have to agree - way to go Isles!! Any time Boston loses, it is a great day. A few good dust ups in the game too. I love the intensity of the playoffs.

Good luck with your AVs today. Prediction: AVs vs Tampa Bay for the Cup. My dark horse is Vegas.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sun, 06/06/2021 - 11:09

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Heeeyyyyyy, I resemble that remark!

Yeah, go Isles eh!
@&&&*&$& you Marchand, ya Hemorrhoid!

Good luck today Vince, it should be a hell of a game/experience.
The only thing better than playoff hockey is live/in person playoff hockey!

Looks like it’s going to be Tampa, and what about those pesky Habs!
There is nothing like a hot goalie in the playoffs and Price is looking strong.
Hell, the whole teams playing well.
I know the league restructured etc, but how the hell is Montreal possibly playing the AVs or Knights in the conference final? Seems like they should be taking it to the Bs or Tampa? Weird...

Today’s games SHOULD be sweet, let’s hope the refs don’t ruin it...
Both games are big ones. If the Habs go up 3-0....
And If the Knights tie it up that series is going to 11! If the AVs win, they “should” be in the drivers seat. Chever way, should be a big, no “HUGE” day of hockey!
But until then, I need to find me some great sounding dead; mamas at work and I’ve been stuck listening on a iPad at work all week, I need a dose of real audio, sorry neighbors ; )

Oh, could this font be any smaller? Ahem, some of us are old and don’t see so well anymore, like if I can’t read it even with glasses it’s to damn small!

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Sun, 06/06/2021 - 13:51

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Just back from O-Wi-Yu-Kuts, mountains where Utah, Colorado and Wyoming meet... Lots of headroom out there. Working my way through a jar of psilocybin capsules... Not lost, not found. But pretty much coated in dirt after a few days. Back now, checking in on possible box news.

Keen to know whether the box-to-come is fall '72 or spring '69. Loving the latest Dave's, especially the Eyes at the end of first set, 9-8-73, my seventh show to see release. Only 68 more to go.

Cheers, HF

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