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April 19, 2022 - 9:21am

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One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

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June 28, 2022 - 9:55am

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That Mike

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Piano Jazz Redux

First off, welcome back Dennis! I totally understand on the Charles Lloyd set. I did pick
up the first “trio” CD (the one with Frisell), but haven’t had a chance to play it yet. Expectations are high. I don’t think the vinyl box set is limited issue (I don’t think), so no rush to get it yet. I didn’t realize until yesterday that Lloyd & Frisell played the Ottawa Jazz Festival this past weekend, which is only a 4 hour car hike from here, and would have been a great weekend trip for the wife and I. Like the Toronto Maple Leafs - next time(sorry for the hockey talk Dennis). PS - I have some albums by the “other” Bill Evans, the sax player (he has played with Hornsby) - he is a decent player. Tell me your impressions of the Miles album when you can.

Sixtus/Oro - I was thinking another way to approach this “Which Artists” to listen to for piano jazz, since the lists everyone provided were really great, but perhaps overwhelming, is to approach it more organically, ie - the kneebone is connected to the shinbone etc. Start with a jazz artist you perhaps know, and see what side players he or she plays with. Who contributes to their sound? Or labels. Blue Note, a great jazz label for generations is a great one to start with. A great many recordings in the 50s & 60s on that label were produced by Rudy Van Gelder. Like all Producers, he had “go to” musicians he would call into the studio to back an artist. Tony Williams, drummer, is making a solo album, Van Gelder may call on a young Herbie Hancock, or Wayne Shorter, Joe Henderson etc. Next, Shorter is making an album, who backs him up? How about all the truly remarkable musicians Miles Davis worked with? Four of them became star keyboard players in their own right: Jarrett, Corea, Hancock, and Zawinul (who had a budding career with Cannonball Adderley).
I always found in music in general, and jazz in particular, the kneebone is connected to the shinbone; you like “this”, you’ll definitely like “that”.
June 28, 2022 - 9:49am

#282

Dennis

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1st show and jingles

I have an LP of Winston cigarette ads that were played on the radio. My father got this from somewhere, I was maybe 16. Still have.
June 28, 2022 - 9:48am

#283

Dennis

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piano players

Don't forget Jeff Chimenti,,, who I think is better than Keith.

Some mentioned Bill Evans piano player.

I just got in my vinyl copy of Miles Davis Live - What it Is - Montreal 7/7/83. Reading the back cover and there is Bill Evans, only he's playing saxes and flutes. So I looked it up,,, it said this.....

This double LP release features one of Miles Davis' final great bands: John Scofield on guitar, Bill “The Other Bill Evans” Evans on saxophones, flute and electric piano, Darryl Jones on bass, Al Foster on drums, and percussionist Mino Cinelu.

So there are two Bills. I think one must have a goatee and be from the evil universe!
June 28, 2022 - 9:38am

#284

billy the kiddd

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Keith Godchaux

Can't talk piano players without mentioning Keith Godchaux, at one time one of the greatest piano players 9n Earth.
June 28, 2022 - 9:29am

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1stshow70878

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Dennis

We have the same blessing/curse of remembering esoteric things like jingles. Every cigarette, beer, cereal, appliance, and car ad had a jingle. Now they just steal a song we all liked and now can't stand as they've ruined it for us. Really, "Everybody Damp Rid"? Or "All Right Now" for a drug I don't need? One of the favorite games my wife and I play is to jam together songs and jingles that have nothing to do with each other. You start with Red Red Robin and end up at the Woody Woodpecker theme then Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend or the Dick Van Dyke show. Likely because we can't remember the whole thing anyway. I think the advertisers in the 60's had evil intentions for our little spongy brains. I'm the youngest of three and the back seat of the car was where I might subject my sisters to hours long renditions of This Old Man. "Mom, make him stop!" Unfortunately an earworm can really screw up my day even now. So the cure is to just have music on all the time. Music is the best.
Cheers
June 28, 2022 - 9:04am

#286

Dennis

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WOW

Only gone for 4 days I come back to 17 pages of "stuff"! (ok, once I stripped away hockey it was only a half page :-) )

Too much to cover or comment on,,,,, but I try a little.

That Mike - Chuck Lloyd, thanks for the heads up. Chuckie will be on back burner for now. 600 bucks for the 24 albums and a box set yet to come?!?! My wife's wallet does have limits!

Springsteen,,,, ok I'm from Jersey, past that, Bruce appeared in my life at the right time I guess. His songs always speak to me of hope and the struggles of the working stiff.

Disco - I was big on the disco ball. Back in the late seventies with Frankie Crocker on WBLS,,,, stereo in black. I believe you'd find a lot of recording technics came out of the that disco vein.

Couple of unmentioned disco headphone songs,,,, Peter Brown - Do You Want to Get Funky with Me. CJ & Co - The Devil's Gun, or Santa Esmeralda - Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood. GREAT, GREAT album of day and GREAT GREAT headphone album,,,, Dr Buzzard's Original Savannah Band!!!!

Zappa,,, I keep buying his "stuff", I like a chunk, a chunk can be tedious. Sometimes GREAT ability does not translate to enjoyable. If you're a musician maybe you can be awed by technical, but if you're an idiot like me you can't tell he just played an augmented Major G in a diminished F. Also the twice I caught Frank he seemed to think he was doing you a favor by playing and you should be thankful he did!

Jazz piano,,,, you read the list people posted and you like, oh yeah, him. I like when some said don't forget tatum and liberace. On the Oscar front, my buddy is a huge fan. Caught him whenever he played. He had an album called something like "for my friends". He had this one cut where he was playing song "a". Right hand carried the melody and left belting out rhythm. All of sudden left hand started playing a different song , "B". So now he's playing two songs at the same time. Notes from song "A" start walking down to the bass end, while song "B" starts walking to high end. The two hands cross each other while jamming out and poof, back to one song "A". I was wowed to say the least! :-)

Charlie 3 - Ipanema (great tune). I used to go to this restaurant/coffee house/bar. They would have bands, small venue 20-30 people listening to this group. They started playing Ipanema and out of this crowd comes this woman steps up to the mike and starts sing the lyrics in Portuguese and she sounds exactly like the origial! Song ended and she went back and sat down. Blew the room away and I think the band!

Mr Ones,,,, I pretty sure I have the motown hippo stuff

Finally an incredible flash-back moment. Sorting thru the latest treasure trove of music I've recently received I stumbled across Miriam Makeba,,, name meant nothing to me. Wiki said she was the voice of Africa (or something like that). Sorted and filed all. I always listened to pieces of what I add to my collection so I have some idea of what's what. So it looked like a cut "pata pata" was her big hit. I put it on and my head exploded. I knew the song, but had not thought about it since it came out. I mean I had not THOUGHT at all about it, which is odd for me since I have almost every tune I know running thought my head at all time. Even the childhood ones I learned in 1st grade!! I don't think a month goes by when I don't find myself singing the Erie Canal! Trust me I've never navigated on it, but sing about once a month. :-) Commerical jingles always run though me,,,,, remember this one,,,, My beer is Reingold the dry beer, think of Reingold whenever you buy beer. It's refreshing, not sweet, it's the extra dry drink. Would try extra dry Reingold beer?

Like Monk,,, it's a blessing,,,,,,,, and a curse! (mostly for the people that have to listen to me sing them :-) )

Sorry for the ramble, but you did leave me 17 pages to comment on! (but no hockey comments thankfully)
June 28, 2022 - 7:34am

#287

billy the kiddd

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Piano

Professor Longhair
June 28, 2022 - 7:16am

#288

daverock

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Mike Garson

Amazing piano solo on David Bowie's "Alladdin Sane". Decades ago, a mate of mine wrote to Mike Garson, asking for a transcription of the solo. Incredibly he got a reply. Not a transcription, though. If I remember rightly, Garson said he couldn't transcribe it if he tried. Hats off to him for replying though.

Practising 4 hours a day for 15 years on any instrument is cheating. As the man said, we could all be good if we did that.
June 28, 2022 - 6:44am

#289

larry26williams

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lol

lol
June 28, 2022 - 6:38am

#290

Cousins Of The…

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Piano?

I'll go with the old school: Albert Ammons, Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Willie "the Lion" Smith, Fats Waller.

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One more Saturday night at Winterland! Yes, we're back to home base for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 42, the complete show from Winterland, San Francisco, 2/23/74. The one that featured the earliest amalgamation of what would soon become the Wall of Sound, the one that is so "loud, clear, and defined," it's been ripe for release for quite some time and we're glad it's finally getting its due.

First set or second, there are no wrong answers here. From the unique show opener of Chuck Berry's "Around And Around" and an incredible "Here Comes Sunshine" that would then disappear for 18 years, to a medley of WAKE OF THE FLOOD tracks - "Row Jimmy," "Weather Report Suite," and "Stella Blue" - cementing their status in the canon and an unstoppable hour through the classic 1973-1974 Dead that is “He’s Gone”>“Truckin’”>“Drums”>“The Other One”>“Eyes Of The World,” it's all exceptionally hot.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOLUME 42: WINTERLAND, SAN FRANCISCO, 2/23/74 was recorded by Kidd Candelario and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Grab a copy while you can.

Found It!!!

Ordered already !!!

Dave's #43. Great release

My order is in, what a great realease.

MSG Box

Awesome, I’ve been asking for 3-9-81 for years. Hope all the shows get Plangentized.

Cool 80's box

Ordered mine before breakfast! I know everyone isn't into the 80's. Personally I like all the years. Like the St. Louis box, it will be interesting to note changes from year to year, although they may not be as pronounced as the Louis box.

3 10 81

One of the FIRST shows on cassette I ever got.

Well done, PTB. Well done.

:)))

Box Set

I havn't bought it yet, but it looks like a good one. The Dead played great in those years. I'll buy it eventually, I don't believe it will sell out that fast.

Virtually Complete

Sounds like an oxymoron to me, but who cares!! It’s primal 1969, JUST before 1970, which we ALL(well, almost all) have been clamoring for!! I simply CANNOT WAIT to unwrap this and push play!!

Thanks Dave, Music is the Best!!

If this new box doesn't do it for you,

then why bother considering yourself a Deadhead

Why bother?

Why bother considering yourself a Deadhead in the first place? Labels are for jerks. As has been said-music is the best - not all the crap that goes with it.

A mighty flame followeth a tiny spark......

Hey rockers,

I am a major deadhead. Saw shows in the 1981-1983 era. That was then, this is now. The new box does NOTHING for me. So what does that make me? LOL! If others like it, great!

Me, I'm saving my $$$ for next years Banana Box Box Set: Fillmore West February 1970 complete.

Do I have 1968-1972 blinders on? You bet. No apologies, no explanations........

And for all you Pigpen/Lovelight haters out there, remember this: No Pigpen, no Grateful Dead.

Rock on,

Doc
Bee to the blossom, moth to the flame; Each to his passion; what's in a name?

Anniversary show 7/14/84 / Doc. Fillmore West box

38 years ago today I was at the Greek Theatre to see the Dead. I don't remember much about the show because 7/13/84 was what 1984 was all about. Doc, that Fillmore West box sounds fantastic, I believe your right, next year is the year it happens.

Hate's too strong a word

I certainly don't hate Pigpen, but I don't think everything he did was wonderful. Lovelight would have been great to me without the raps. Longer than 15 minutes and it over stayed it's welcome for me . Hard To Handle, on the other hand, was invariably great - all groove and no nonsense.

For Moi

it’s not hate vs love, it’s pure and simple burnout!
I’ve been listening to too much Dead for over 45 years!
Some things I used to love I now have to be in the mood for. It’s that simple.
I won’t list the main culprits Randy cause I’m sure it will incite a shit wind we don’t want or need to blow!
But, for instance, I’d probably be good if I never heard another me & my uncle again lol, but that doesn’t mean that on the right occasion it won’t get me grooving. So it’s not so much the song as it is I’ve just heard it too much (besides the Dead I used to play it in a band EVERY NIGHT, sometimes twice!, for many years).
I’m with Daverock about Dark Star vs LL. Since DS is often more modal and or free form, thus not so repetitive etc, versus LL is basically a blues pattern that they improvise over, it’s just naturally more repetitive. And I love Pig, but his shtick too can be very repetitive and thus get old. Plus I’m not 16 anymore so it doesn’t resonate quite as much. Like it was mind blowing the first times on my teenage peanut brain, but now…
Thus, to me, after all these years, it can sometimes get very tedious listening to something that long and repetitive.
To be clear, this does not mean I don’t like it, I’m just burned out on it, big difference.
And like any song, “Sometimes you get shown the light…”
I only bring this up because I feel like there’s a good contingent out there that feels the same, or not?
And I think sometimes here, like the rest of the world, things just get to damn binary.
I mean we’re all supposed to be DHs on the same team loving the same band. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinions etc, it’s just sometimes the tone used is a bummer.
I liked how Doc gave his strong opinion, but without insulting anyone. It can be done.
But, as stated, that’s just what moi thinks, so probably meaningless lol.
Be Kind! Ain’t no time to hate.

Love and Hate

It's ok to love things others don't, and it's ok to not like things others love. That's the benefit of being free to be you, you can dig what you want and disregard the rest.

As far as dead burnout, if you listen long enough to anything it can get old and stale. Not to mention, there is a ton of great stuff out there that you will miss if you listen to nothing but dead. When I feel like listening to the dead, I dive in and groove, and when I don't, there are hundreds of other choices on the shelf. I do know from past experience, that just because a release doesn't really strike me as fantastic when it is announced, it doesn't mean I won't jones hard for it later if I pass on picking it up, so it's easier to just get nearly everything they release as I rarely have a case of buyers' remorse, but I have had to pay a premium to pick up stuff I passed on when it was first released.

It’s A Thin Line…

…Between Love And Hate, so sayeth the song of that title. I get burned out on bands repeatedly. That’s why I love having a super varied music collection. Burned out on A?? I think I’ll play B, G, or X. I’m seriously impressed at how much Dead some of you folks listen to, I just thrive on variety. So to each their own, that’s why they make chocolate AND vanilla!!

I won’t disparage anyone’s tastes or bands they like/love. I don’t have time for that. And like DAVEROCK says, why do I have to put a label on it?? I play it, love it, and then play something else. The Dead happen to be one of my favorite bands, who I happen to own hundreds of releases by, But damn, I need so much more. Having said that, I am SUPER stoked for #43!!

Music just happens to be the Best!!

Love and Hate

The latter is overrated, the former is precious. Life may be sweeter for this, I don't know...

I do know one thing, we need less hate and more love. Be yourselves but don't get sucked towards the hate magnet. That's about as GD and I can write.

So I know this is off topic …

So I know this is off topic ;D but regarding Dave's Picks... Dave- I'm ever-grateful to get to hear this music but can you PLEASE give us the shows as they were performed instead of mixing them together (#43 is an especially jumbled mess).

Thank you.

What He Said

I also would prefer releases have the show in original sequence, with any bonus content at one end or the other of the main show of the release rather than interspersed throughout. I'd rather pay for an extra disc to keep the sequence intact, rather than to chop it up to fit on three discs. I suspect that this may be the minority view based on past discussions about bonus content and out of sequence songs.

Row 22, Jimmy?

Realizing just now that the illustrious VGuy waltzed right past me last night in row 22 at Red Rocks!

I appreciated his "Make America Grateful Again" t-shirt at the time, he must not have seen my House of Guitars tee or I know he would have stopped for a fist bump!

Next I get to stroll down to the mailbox to pick up DP 43 (no shipping notice, but I got the heads up from my account with USPS- pro tip).

Let the good times roll! And now back to your regularly scheduled Gathering Flowers For The Master's Bouquet...

Dear Dave-

So I've got Your Picks Vol. 43 in my hands and CD player. Cool music.... BUT...

I ask you, sir--is this how YOU listen to these shows? The first 9 songs of 11/2/69, then the 5 songs from 12/26/69, then 4 songs from 11/2, then 11 songs from 12/26??

If yes, then I don't feel you really appreciate the experience of live Dead--how each show is a unique event and piece of musical art, how each show has a rhythm and a story all its own. (This is WHY so many of us spend thousands of dollars buying these very shows on CD when we are content with just getting the best studio releases from other artists we love.)

If this is NOT how you would listen to these shows, and you do enjoy and appreciate listening to a show as it was performed, then you are not really respecting the rest of us who want to listen to the shows in that way but don't have the privilege of access to GD's vaults.

You make great choices of shows-- just let us listen to them as Jerry intended please. It's doable. Every single box set release does it.

Thanks!

‘69 Dead Again

I’m really enjoying this release, some new songs for me…Seasons of my Heart and Gathering Flowers…Plus two more Dark Stars, Yum.
Nice archival newspaper clips about Live Dead.
The sound is great too, big thanks to Owsley for our now-future enjoyment.

Also if coupled with Dave’s Picks 6 we have11/2, 12/20, 12/21, 12/26 1969 and 2/2 1970.
For the song/show playing sequence I’ll quote Jerry from the 11/2 show:-) “this evening is fraught with difficulties, absolutely fraught with difficulties”

Non-GD music

What do these have in common?

Led Zeppelin
Pink Floyd
Moody Blues
Rolling Stones
King Crimson
Motorhead
Sex Pistols
Sweet
ELP
ELO
The Who

Identify the commonality in these artists and you win!

Random gripe

The builders of my townhouse made a slanted roof with planters.

The bar holding them in place at the angle should be held by 10 bolts.

How many bolts did they actually install?

Six.

That leads to pains in the tookess, people.

Dear J3FF

I can't believe people are griping about the song order. There is no reason to waste space on another CD, just to have the songs in order. Add another disc and then a contingency will complain there is only a half hour of music on one CD, and they want bonus tracks. Or that Dark Star / St Stephen / The Eleven was divided over two discs. While cost may be no problem for you, it is for others. Go buy a CD changer and program the tracks in the correct order.

To say Lemieux is disrectful to the fans for this is a gross stretch of reality. It is because he respects rhe fans that he did this. It is easy to see he loves the fans and is eager to get great music to us. And you insult him. That us the problem with your post. Yes you are entitled to your opinion. No you are not entitled to throw accusations and make people feel bad. You owe an apology.

Who hears repeated dropouts…

Who hears repeated dropouts on vocals in this #42 set especially disc 2? (see reports of such on-line elsewhere)?

vocal dropouts

Seem to be a characteristic of 1974 shows. But the funny thing is...it's never Donna who seems to be dropped out. You would think they might wipe some of her triumphant screams off the end of the Playing jams. Blame it on the reels.

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