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  • proudfoot
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    One thing about audience recordings...not a lot of mix issues.

    Like 10 6 80.

    High energy with no political commentary filler.

  • narutlee
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    With all these talks of sound mixes. 2 tracks and so on. Wonder if it's financially feasible for GD to employ the "AI" technology that was used on The Beatles "Get Back" movie and the upcoming "Revolver" remix. As I understand it, a technology was used to separate out different parts of the sound so they can be mix separately, which no one could do before because of the "tracks" limitation. For example, if brent, bobby, and phil were all recorded on one track - the original mix (how loud each instrument was in the mix) is it, it's all we got. If the keyboard is drowning out everything else, there's no way to fix it no matter how many times anyone remaster it, because that's the master! But I believe this new technology can separate each instrument out to its own track, and then they can be remix and give us a more balanced sound.

    I guess it's depend on how much more we're willing to pay to employ this tech!

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    There is nothing anyone can do about changing the levels of individual instruments on these recordings.
    What Mickey or whomever was doing was helping with remastering, which is something completely different.

    And really, I’ve heard and read Bobbie clearly stating that “we’ve all been asleep too long” and even more straight up political call to get involved before it’s too late. Yes nobody likes this, but that’s how fucked up it’s getting.
    I mean how desperate do things have to get before it’s ok to mention uncomfortable stuff?
    So just keep burying your head in the sand and soon we won’t be allowed to talk like this at all!
    The futures here, we are it, we are on our own!

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    and others.
    For the eighteenth time: these are not professionally recorded multi track recordings!!
    They were NEVER intended to be released!
    They are 2 channel (stereo) tapes that were produced by Dan Healy as a tool to help him with his work.
    That work was to make the band sound good live in concert, not your living room!
    Consequently, sometimes the mix might not make sense in your living room. I,e., if the stage instruments are really loud, the mixer won’t need to boost as much through the PA. Thus, those instruments might not seem loud enough on the tape, or in your living room. Furthermore, the first song is always unbalanced, sometimes it takes a good chunk of the first set, as the mix is dependent on how loud or quiet the signal sent by the musician is: if Jerry hasn’t turned up yet, then he won’t seem loud enough. During the first song the mixer is mostly trying to get the vocals going, and bringing the overall levels up, so he’s not going to worry about messing with JGs level too much knowing that JG will turn himself up when he wants to. When you mix the same band all the time, you don’t turn all the knobs back to zero after each show, you leave things generally where they are (or will you know they’ll need to be) and then fine tune the next night as needed. Basically, he sets levels approximately where they’ll end up and let’s the band grow into them if you will.
    With Beatty boards etc, there was a dedicated person, who was able to create a mix specifically for making a recording, unfortunately later on the tapes were not made like this so sometimes they have more noticeable anomalies.
    Since this is baked into the 2 track only tape, THERE IS NO WAY TO FIX IT!
    It is what it is, caveat emptor as these releases used to clearly warn!

    Now it it was a multitrack tape (meaning most instruments have their own channel on the tape which can be individually modified later on, and something was disproportionately low in the release mix, THEN you’d have a point, but since it’s only a 2 channel tape made as an afterthought, not intended for release, you have to take it or leave it.

    OFF TOPIC: really DR, your going to criticize about that? The guy who usually talks about anything BUT GD?
    I mean no offense but if some of us have to hear about Hawkwind again we’re gonna puke!

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    Please keep them off the board. Despite what was said earlier, the GD was not a political band. Very much to the contrary. Encouraging people to vote is not being political.

    Let's keep our comments to the poor sound/mix quality of the MSG box.

    Thank you.

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    When the Dick's Picks were coming out, likely still the ones Dick picked, I remember hearing that Mickey was helping the crew with the remastering-mixing. It made sense because I've always thought they were a bit drum heavy. It is still that way but not to the degree that's as noticeable. Plus I've changed equipment now so maybe that's all it was to begin with.
    Did my civic duty yesterday. Colorado has been vote by mail for years now thank goodness. But I don't get the cool sticker that says I voted.
    Cheers, let's go out and make it a good one.

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    just got censored by MSN and Microsoft for agreeing with, shall we say, patriots, who stated the truth about what is going down. It's already happening and let's hope they stay away from this site.

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    I concur with your statement ie Jerry. I wonder if Jer was alive, if these remasters would sound different? I think the remaining members might be an influence. For sure, I don't have any knowledge of that being said anywhere, just wondering?

  • Oroborous
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    …call for desperate measures.
    Make sure you vote or we soon might not be allowed to, and what we do here might not be allowed either…

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    From the listening party Stranger, it sounds like Jerry is kind of buried in the mix, and absolutely not the first time I've heard that on a remastered release. Take the slipknot from 10/12/83 off the recent box, for example. Not sure if I'm the only one who feels like this, but isn't a lead guitar supposed to "lead"? Obviously I understand the whole ethos of the Dead's music, that they were going for a more united sound, but it seems kind of detractive for Bob's "rhythm" notes to be overshadowing Jerry's lines. I understand that Norman mixes the remaster democratically, but again, what's a lead guitar for if not for the spotlight? I read once that Norman doesn't raise Jerry's levels on any remaster because "he was already loud enough", but if you're normalizing the levels across the board, he just gets lost in the fray. Another thing I wanna point out is that Jerry wasn't the leader of the grateful dead, he always made a point of shying away from that, but let's be honest, who was the one people deified when he was alive and more so after he passed? Shouldn't that be somewhat reflected in the remastering? I just feel that Jerry's leads should be overpowering and yet, I've got the volume turned up as much as I can without sacrificing fidelity just to hear what he was playing, and even then, I've gotta really focus on him for that. Anyway, rant over, just thought I'd share my two cents. Not even sure if this is the right place to do so, despite it being the forum for Dave's 44, as the subject matter tends to talk about nearly anything but the release itself. The grateful dead were always a political band, to be sure, but it'd be great if these forums could try to focus on the music, reddit does exist after all.

    Thanks and I'm really not trying to be a d**k with the ending there

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holy crap Vguy, just read your previous post about being accosted by a lunatic in the grocery store with a concealed weapon because you had on........a dead shirt that had a really great message on it. Make Amerika Grateful Again. It's a good message, it's not really making fun, is it? I have seen this shirt and I think it is awesome. In the grocery store, concealed weapon, what the hell is happening to this country? It has all ready started, the republicans and the last person in the white house who shall not be named, are all ready talking about rigged elections. It may be too soon to say it, but is it over for this experiment that is a free republic? I voted, I made sure my 96 yr old mother in law voted (blue) and I have signed up to take people to the poles who can't get there on tuesday. That's all I can do. I won't go out and antagonize crazies who are poll watching or conceal carry to intimidate anyone, but I will do what ever I can to stop this madnesss that is trying to take over this country. You showed great restraint Vguy, when he grabbed you, how did you not remove his hand, did you grab his hand and ask him to let you go? How did you get him to let you go? was it the crowd? cowards Make America Grateful Again, political rant over and apologizes to any and all who I might have offended.
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Since you ask. Not here in UK yet. Mine is still in CA awaiting processing in Fontana. After 2 weeks I finally have an alternate tracking number, that ends FR so it is going to go to France once it starts moving. Should be here in the next couple of weeks but that’s normal.

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Barnum: well said

Vguy: you showed admirable restraint. If that had happened to me, cops may have been called.

Be well everyone, except... you know who.

\m/

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Drummer and Singer with Low. I’ve enjoyed their music for many years.

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....to answer the question, he let go of me on his own. I think he realized that people around were starting to take notice. Some phones were starting to come out. Like I said, he wasn't exactly whispering and I'm glad a video of the interaction didn't hit social media should that conversation had gone on longer. The entire event lasted maybe 30 seconds.
I'm not 100% against conceal carrying. I mean, I own a couple of firearms. Would I conceal carry though? No. But I do worry about the mental stability of those that do. Its a slippery slope of a topic. That dude had crazy eyes though and the last thing I was going to do was stoop to his level of anger and stupidity even though i did feel my blood pressure rising. Not worth my time.
It's the day and age we unfortunately live in and will not change overnight.
Time to tune into the Dolphins vs da Bears. Wearing my Marino jersey today. Muted with TTB on the big boy stereo.
And extra hour of sleep today was nice.
Here's a hot take. I think America was great before you know who ran on a campaign saying that it wasn't.
Now, it's not too great. Thanks jerk.
I will piggy back pt's comment of so many admitted election denyers running for political offices. Concerning to say the least.
Ain't no time to hate. Barely time to wait. Take care out there peeps, because you never know.
Thanks for bearing with me. Y'all are the best 💚

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Has anyone ever had to reach out to Dead.net about a botched delivery on a Dave's Picks? Mine was marked "delivered, in/at mailbox" on Thursday but was not there and has not popped up in subsequent days either.

If I reach out to Dead.net is there any chance they'll ship me a new copy?

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....happened to me once. Said it was delivered, but didn't actually show up until three days later.
Dave's 40 I believe.
Pm Marye. She has our backs.

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Their Christmas EP is a tradition in our house Xmas day. I like that one a lot.

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....to all the movie heads out there, may I highly recommend All Quiet On The Western Front on Netflix.
Intense with grate cinematography.
War is hell.

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To answer my own question, the a capaella version of Brokedown Palace is by The Persuasions from a 2000 cd called Might As Well, The Persuasions sing the Grateful Dead

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....I will check them out. Parry doing the research. Thanks Frank!
It's a far gone lullaby
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Mama, mama, many worlds I've come
Since I first left home.
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I'll catch them eventually.

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Yes Frank! I'll be looking for that one.
Love The Persuasions.
Cheers

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V, I am also a handgun owner, and long time NRA member. If I'm out in public, I almost never carry. I live in a primarily crime free 10 mile area, and have no need to carry such a weapon, but my apartment is a different story. I feel sorry for the sap who breaks through the door at night uninvited. He better be armed to the teeth. Especially if my daughter is over. David Crosby got into some trouble over the years for gun ownership, but he is famous, and a little crazy. I have a lot of respect for guns, and I never used them for harm.......or did I? Dap 44 sure builds up in speed as it plays. Good show.

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'Love buzz'. I used to love Mariska veres back in the late 70s. It's a pretty defining song that was the 60s.

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YEP. I love all in the family. I think Lionel said it. What movie?

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Guns?

Statistics show you're more likely to shoot a loved one or have it used on you than you actually shooting "the intruder".

(great Gabriel song)

I was shocked to learn (recently) that half the handgun deaths are suicide!

Finally, I always think of the Harry Carey's line from Angel and the Badman.

The only man who needs a gun, is a man who carries a gun.

Hope I didn't start a huge argument like I mentioned politics,,,,,, or Andy Williams. I will never understand the Andy haters!

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.... did I read right?

Does Taylor Swift have all 10 slots of the top 10 taken up?

That's a wild thing!!! I don't think I'd could tell you one TS song!

And now Dennis the evil bastardo is ratcheting up the fear machine with threats of Andy Williams!
The Horror!

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While sorting thru an enormous amount of "stuff", came across "Art Jackson's Atrocity - Gout" album.

Anyone hear of it?

Was supposed to be a joke or mystery album?

Supposed to be psychedelic album,,,, a quick jab at a few cuts showed maybe,,, maybe a fusion album. But the web pages that came up intrigued me.

Knowledge and thoughts?

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Don't let the sweaters fool ya. Andy could cut a bitch faster than you could say Englebert Humperdink!

Moon River deep enough to hide, I dump the bodies there you see.

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Anyone else remember the tv special ‘The H Andrew Williams Kaleidoscope Company’ where Andy went ‘hip’? My limited memory of it has a guest appearance by Simon and Garfunkel.

Dennis obviously has a Blank Space for TS but I’m sure he can Shake It Off otherwise ‘We are never, ever, getting back together.

All in the Family was based on the UK show ‘til death us do part. This is a show which is difficult to watch now with its casual racism and bigotry but did lead The Monkees (Mickey Dolenz) to write ‘Alternate Title’ which was originally called ‘Randy Scouse Git’ after the name used by Alf Garnett in the show for his Liverpool born son in law.

I’d advise everyone to get out and vote to Make America Sensible Again but it’s not going to happen. This, of course, is coming from someone in a country being run by a group of expletive deleted.

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A one hour musical special that aired on April 28, 1968 on NBC. Guest stars included: Ray Charles and The Raylettes, Burt Bacharach, Simon and Garfunkel and Mama Cass Elliott. Quite interesting use of the kaleidoscope meaning with appropriate for the time psychedelic backgrounds and some excellent music.

Never saw this and I was a big andy fan. Watched his tv show every week. ah, the cookie eating bear and mr echo.

This might be up to watch,,,, I'm going back to check.

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Andy is just a bit milquetoast for me. But you like what you like.

If he had covered Waiting for the Man by VU, that would have scored him some points from me.

"It's the most wonderful rush of the year
my skin it is itching
my eyes they are twitching
and now I'm strung ouuuuut"

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I replied to our old friend FourWinds comment on the Dave's 43 thread, but this is worth a repost here. Shoutout to our dear friend FourWinds

This one's for you HendrixFreak

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Regarding Fall '72 Reels, Google Dick Latvala Introduces The Philo Stomp

It will bring you to a David Gans radio broadcast with guest host Dick Latvala on the Grateful Seconds blog where he seems to introduce the term Philo Stomp. Philo Stomp is a whole other conversation totally worthy of exploration.. but back to the point, Dick suggests there is a cache of Bear Reels that seem to not be indexed or included as vault shows but do exist, many of these from Fall 1972.

To quote Latvala from the hijacked Gans radio broadcast:

"I did go into Bear's Secret Stash and I did find a lot of fall '72 shows...."

Check it out. An interesting and pertinent chunk of history.
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In other news:
Americans told not to lick psychedelic toads

Hikers in the US have been warned to “refrain from licking” psychedelic toads. Officials said the Sonoran Desert Toad secretes a potent toxin that can make people sick if they touch the frog or get the poison in their mouths. The substance is sometimes crystalised and smoked as a psychedelic substance, said the New York Times. However, writing on Facebook, the National Park service described the potential risks as “toad-ally terrifying”.

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Andy Williams and guns? Can't think how we got here but it did remind me of Andy's love Claudine and a rhyme from a curious incident. "Along came a Spider and sat down beside her, and she blew the poor !@#$er away." Determined to be an accident under suspicious circumstances as I recall. Sabitch was a hell of a skier. Now back to Eugene for a second go.
Cheers
Oh, and there's a Philo Stomp in today's 30 Days 'o Dead.

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Strange days have found us
Strange days have tracked us down
They're going to destroy
Our casual joys
We shall go on playing
Or find a new town

Profound words on The Doors title track to their second album. My company just laid off 25% of IT. My team is now down to two, same headcount when I joined the company almost 10 years ago and we've grown 500% since then from an infrastructure perspective. I thought I was done, but I architected the latest and most complex solutions we have, so might have bought some time.

Unbelievable VGuy - you have such a gregarious personality and being towering in height, not sure what was his major malfunction. Glad you didn't go Gunny Sgt Hartman on the loser: "What is your major malfunction, numbnuts? Didn't Mommy and Daddy show you enough attention when you were a child?"

Loving DaP44 - reminiscent of the great shows I got to see from '87 onward...

Still working my way thru the MSG box - Glad they have this era represented but kind of a tough slog for me. Not having Bobby's guitar in the mix was a bit of a shock for the one of the shows on the yearly major release. I'm sure I will enjoy the nuances of Jerry's guitar with more listens.

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The San Francisco Chronicle today has a couple of decent articles on the 50th Anniversary of Sweetwater in Mill Valley and its history and upcoming shows and celebrations there. (For any who may not know, Weir is a co-owner of the latest version of this venue).

Search for them on sfchronicle dot com. Sometimes they'll block you and ask you to subscribe, other times they're open to read. Don't ask me why, but I'm not a subscriber and was able to access them this morning.

The best 2 shows I saw there over the years (at the original location) were Jorma and Jack Cassady in their acoustic blues duo - front row chairs - and Dan Hicks and band with his ever witty swing tunes. Good times.

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The San Francisco Chronicle today has a couple of decent articles on the 50th Anniversary of Sweetwater in Mill Valley and its history and upcoming shows and celebrations there. (For any who may not know, Weir is a co-owner of the latest version of this venue).

Search for them on sfchronicle dot com. Sometimes they'll block you and ask you to subscribe, other times they're open to read. Don't ask me why, but I'm not a subscriber and was able to access them this morning.

The best 2 shows I saw there over the years (at the original location) were Jorma and Jack Cassady in their acoustic blues duo - front row chairs - and Dan Hicks and band with his ever witty swing tunes. Good times.

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The San Francisco Chronicle today has a couple of decent articles on the 50th Anniversary of Sweetwater in Mill Valley and its history and upcoming shows and celebrations there. (For any who may not know, Weir is a co-owner of the latest version of this venue).

Search for them on sfchronicle website. Sometimes they'll block you and ask you to subscribe, other times they're open to read. Don't ask me why, but I'm not a subscriber and was able to access them this morning.

The best 2 shows I saw there over the years (at the original location) were Jorma and Jack Cassady in their acoustic blues duo - front row chairs - and Dan Hicks and band with his ever witty swing tunes. Good times.

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I saw Elizabeth Cotton play at the Sweetwater, also saw Frank Wakefield and David Nelson play there. We would always stop at Village Music before we went to the Sweetwater. Great little place to see music.

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Sorry for the multiple posts. Problems with Captcha and website operation.

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I saw David Nelson there at the new venue also just before the pandemic IIRC. Also Eric Thompson, a good local bluegrass picker.

Village Music was definitely an institution, lots of the famous used to stop in there.

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Great guitar player, I saw him and David Nelson play over at the orIginal Freight & Salvage a couple of times, I taped both shows. We would always go to Everett & Jones Bbq after seeing shows in Berkeley

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You provide a tantalizing glimpse at what could be.... the discovery of the missing first reel to my first show, 9-19-72, which may still await us in Bear's mystery reels. I have alerted the OSF to look for that 1st reel setlist and get that entire show archived. Naturally, at the time -- a newly minted 15 year old with only GD records for reference -- I couldn't have told you that it was a hot show, only that it went on so freakin' long ("What are these people ON? Ohhh....") But we know with the benefit of hindsight that late August to early November '72 that band was on a streak.

Lettuce prey!

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Road Trips and Dick's Picks.
Once a year CD sale.
DiPs 2, 11, 14 are back again too.
Cheers

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1stshow beat me to it, but man there's some tasty stuff and I went for it like a fish for the hook.

Jesse Ed Davis solo CD
Willie Nelson earliest solo demos
Art Blakey (just becuz)
Bob Wills & Texas Playboys (just becuz)
DP 34 (inexplicably missing from the collection, which has lots of hot Nov '77)

I had to resist ordering duplicates of Feb '68, April '69 etc because ... why???

On to speculation for the 2nd Dave's for 2023, which is to be revealed prior to subscription shutdown in ???

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Anyone else had the following situation? I ordered a Dave's Picks subscription on day one of announcement and had my credit card charged but on payment screen received a message "order could not be placed". No email confirmation or order number received despite payment taken.
Dead.net support not replying to my emails. Very poor service as I have been an annual subscriber from DaP1.

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I am going with 10/24/72 with bonus from 10/23 or two shows from July '74.

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2 full shows from Owsleys boxes from 1968, 1969 or 1970. One full show will be the bonus disc.

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1st guess- 7/27&28/73
2nd- 6/10/73 with po 6/9
3rd- 5/26/73
Last 3, 4? Years, second pick has been 73 or 74. Last year was 74, so…?

WOTF bonus: 9/15 or 17/73. If you count WRS all as one song these are the only 2 shows with 6 songs off the album and their good shows!

Box: summer 73

I suggest placing another order using a different browser, and even a different credit card.

Then tell the first credit card company to cancel payment because the retailer does not have a record or your purchase.

Also, you don’t need to create an account to place an order, you can check out as guest.
Worked for me.

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