Grateful Dead

DaveRock, very good!!! In a crowd of 4 or 5 you surely find one! I am in the" happy ones", maybe just for one day...
I just received Disc 4 from Dave 45. For the first time after so many years of orders, I had an issue with a crack in the cd.
Thank you everybody at Deadnet, Rhino, Warner to repare.
Warner? they are still there after all the arguments they had with the Marx Bros. (See the letters of groucho Marx) ;
The disc arrive perfectly in a letter, with no tax and pretty writing to my remote county. Thanks again.
Don't hesitate to see last Spielberg " The Fabelmans"

last five
Black Keys-Dropout Boogie
Wilco-Sky Blue Sky
Gillian Welch-All Good Times are past & gone
Lucinda Williams-Bob's Backpages
JGB-live vol19 (1992)

Wholeheartedly agree. In my opinion the Winterland 73 and 77 boxes were the best combination of physical size, number of shows and extra stuff (buttons, tix reproductions, booklet, etc). For me, some of the intricate artwork (like the May 77 box with the intricate cut out sleeves) provides no value. I can appreciate the time and talent to create the sleeves but the music is what matters.

It appears that Dave Pick #45 has still not sold out?!? ....correct me if I'm wrong but the longest any of these have taken to sell out prior to #45 is like a week at the longest?? DaP #45 has been avaiable for pre-order /subscript since like mid-November, I believe??

There can only be one answer: the market for 1977, 1974, and 1972 has become too saturated. There is just too much focus on pre-1979 with this series, and majority of the box sets(not all of them). It's just time to focus a series on 1979-1991, mainly the "Brent" years. These are the shows that most heads at this point attended, and want to see released. Is anyone listening, seems obvious with #45 not appearing to sell out possibly at all

RV3, Dave's #45 was released for pre-order on January 17, 2023. Over 2 months is certainly a record for not selling out. Shoot, we will have #46 by the end of April.
There have been other releases in the last two years that took 2-3 weeks, but never this long.

It would be better for us CD buyers if these continue to sell out. I would not hit the panic button yet, but it is concerning.

The Dick's Picks serious ended due to poor sales for the last couple of releases.
I still think the full show, limited edition release model is the way to go, but they might have to trim it down a bit.
Same theory for the box sets. I would limit them to 10k. The last two still haven't sold out.

Have a friend that doesn't have this release? Might be time for a Spring gift?

Quick sellouts, The complete Winter land Oct 1974 shows audio & video, The Complete 1968 Tour of The Great Northwest, ( could be in those Banana Boxes), a 1969 or 1970 box set including acoustic material. What do you think? What are your quick sellouts?

As far as boxsets go, Winterland 74 would sell out instantly. Great music, famous run, famous venue (doesn't matter how much of it has already been released).

The Ark (single show or complete run) would sell out instantly as well. I also think there are a bunch of shows from 87 (Ventura County?) and 88 that would sell out as single release Dave's picks because the shows were strong, and we don't generally get a lot of releases from that time period. Agree with whoever said 77 was oversaturated.

....last five.
Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother
The Cure - Disintegration
Ween - Quebec
GOGD - 10.19.72 St. Louis
King Gizzard - K.G.

I'm not so sure that the complete Winterland October 1974 shows would sell out in this current climate. We have already had 5 cds and 2 dvd's from this run and there has also been a lot of 1974 shows released over the years. Maybe anyone who doesn't rate this year as one of the best would skip it. I'd buy it myself, but maybe it would follow the fate of Dave's 45.

Boxes from the first 4 months of 1969, or Fall 1970 would be my first choices for instant sell out. Or 1968 - anything.

Last 5
Plug It In! Turn It Up! Electric Blues 1954-1967 cd1 - Various
Live at The Summit Club 1972 - Johnnie Taylor
Blues at Sunrise - Montreux 7/1/73 - Albert King
Texas Flood - Stevie Ray Vaughan
Another Night In Montreux 1970 - 11/22/70 - Pink Floyd - really good sound for what it is, too. Bit of a nice surprise .

Billy, I am with you on this. I think it would break the site if they ever decide to release the full five nights on CD with additional video. I believe this is the only run in 74 recorded on Multi Track, which is a huge deal. Just listen to the 2005 release, it is some of the best music of the time period you will ever hear.
Not sure what type of condition the video would be in and how useable it is, but we definitely know there is more in the vault. I would also expect this type of release to be fairly pricey as well.

Would love to see it next year for the 50th Anniversary.

Mmmm….Oberon.

Audio and video.
Would be better than what’s available because the reels would get Plangent Process and the video would get a Blu-ray upgrade along with 24/192 surround sound.
It would sell, and fits perfectly as the Box for 2024.

Traffic - Five Classic Albums
Thanks for the tip, got it for $22. Very minimal packaging.

It just occurred to me - it would make an exciting release if this run came out on vinyl, like the Lyceum 72 shows. I'm not suggesting it would sell out in record (ha) time necessarily - just that it would be one I personally would go for. Failing that, if just one show came out on vinyl - 10/19, probably, to accompany a cd/blu ray box set. Maybe as a RSD release.

....how do they sound conekid? Amazon reviews say it sounds flat and muddy. I suspect they were not remastered. I've got 3 of the 5 but the price is nice.

Haven’t listened to them yet. I only had one of them on cd, so the price was right to get all of them, even if they don’t sound better than the 90’s CD versions, which is what I expected them to be.

....enough.

I've been silently hoping/wishing for a full Winterland 74 release for a long time. That would be a great choice for the box this year. Even though there is the Movie soundtrack and video out, that just makes me want the 5 full shows even more. The sound quality and the unbelievable greatness of the band in those shows is right up there with any run of shows you'd want to hear/see. This one's got my vote!

.... Winterland 74, the more likely it seems to come about. It must be about 20 years since that 5 cd compilation came out. It's had a staggered history of being gradually revealed over the years.

"Steal Your Face" was actually the first live Dead album I bought, and the first one I bought at the time of it's release, in the middle of the heatwave in 1976. Great cover and photographs on the insides. I can remember that my copy came with a bonus album, which comprised of tracks from solo albums cut by Dead members around the time. The Diga Rhythm Band were sampled on it, among others. It got a rave review in the N.M.E. by Max Bell, resident Deadhead with the paper. "Sounds", on the other hand, said it should have been called "Steal Your Money".

I’m really counting on the Leafs this year. It’s well known that the presidents trophy winner rarely brings home the Cup. You need to take out the Bruins. Canadaland is not going to have many entrants into the tournament, so don’t let me down. It’s been 30 years.

It looks like the Kraken may make the playoffs for the first time. Maybe they can make a deep run, like the golden knights did in their inaugural playoff year. By the way, when did the LA Kings rejoin the league?

It’s nice to see Traffic get so much commentary on these boards. Great band.

Sign me up for Winterland.

Daverock, I'll bet your right, I bet they release those Winterland shows as a vinyl box set. I sure hope they release them on CD and video also. I would buy the records just like I bought the Fillmore West records, it such a great run of shows. I'd have to buy a record player..

The Leafs beat the Bruins - To dream…
We can certainly hope.
I agree with you on Seattle - now Proudfoot can catch the playoff bug. And LA snuck up on everyone! Dave Kloc, who did the great art work for DaP 32 to 36 inclusive is a big NHL guy, showed me pics of him with the Cup etc, and although he is from Michigan, and is a Red Wing die hard like you, is based in LA now, and loves the game.

I had that beautiful Traffic “Shootout At The Fantasy Factory” vinyl album with the oddly shaped rectangular cover, beautiful artwork, great record, but my friend’s brother chose it to use as a board to cut up his hash with a razor blade. One of the reasons I was never big on lending albums. I owned Spirit’s “Best Of” three times, by pals who took borrow to mean own/lose.
PS - Water Cooler trivia. “Shootout” had the great Muscle Shoals rhythm players on it, including David Hood, whose son Patterson Hood is now the main man in the Drive-By Truckers, a pretty decent band on their own. Some of the Muscles actually toured with Traffic for a bit.

The complete Winterland 74 recordings release has always been high on my wish list. The sound on the 5 cd release is remarkable. There is much written about how Bear & company hated the sound on the masters with one account claiming that he almost burned the masters after putting Steal Your Face together for release. While the old boots that circulated and the original SYF release did have less than stellar quality I thought the soundtrack sounded superbly inside the "mouth of the beast". I emailed Dave once asking him about why or how they were able to improve it so drastically but didn't get a reply. Norman does explain some of this on the DVD extras. He went to such lengths as feeding the bass drum track through a miked amp to make it sound richer. I think the technology is in hand to make those masters shine giving heads everywhere reparations for the professional indiscretions that Bear perceived about the original release.

Anybody but Boston lol

Any recommendations for up tempo Santana tracks? I've just got back from a holiday in Argentina and sitting outside a road side eatery wolfing down empanadas while getting it on to Carlos blazing away was one of the more unforgettable moments. I had no idea what the album/ tracks were but it went as a friend of mine likes to say. I love a holiday.

Nick1234 - I'm only familiar with Santana's earlier albums, when "Santana" was a band and not an individual. Of those, the third one, untitled, but usually referred to as "Santana 3" is a real barnstormer. It's got a track on it called "Toussaint L'Overture" , which is brilliant. The Tower of Power horn section are featured on some tracks, and they up the ante considerably. In fact, you've inspired to put it for the first time in ages - and yes, it still sounds great.
There's also a good live album called "Lotus", which was a triple album back in the day. That had one of those absorbing sleeves that folded in all sorts of directions. On one track, Carlos holds a single note for what seems like about 5 minutes. But the original band had folded by this point.

Rocks hard. Always felt a bit of a ABB vibe off that one.
That song IS the shit!

I’ve got a great disc I made of Santana. I often will go through all of a artist albums I have and make a Pedro Mix: sorta a personalized best of, but not always just hits etc. here’s my Santana.

Jingo
Soul Sacrifice
Oye Como Va
Se A Cabo
Tousaint Overture
Corazon Espinado
Savor
El Nicoya
Africa Bamba
Guajira
Treat
Wishing it Was
Incident at Neshabur
Maria, Maria
Waiting
No One To Depend On
El Farol
Freedom/Celebration
A Dios

We always play this when the weather starts getting hot! 🌶
Perfect with cold Summer beer and brown rice burritos!

For the older unit live Live at the Fillmore rocks, Sacred Fire is a good later live one.

Well, another season of my Red Wings sucking. I can’t believe it has been 15 years since they won the Cup. Yes, I get they irony of that statement to a Leafs fan. Despite their woes, I decided to finally make the purchase. A custom jersey. The nice weather is upon us and I felt the need for some new gear as I resume my rollerblading. I went with the away white jersey. Both are nice, but I just think they look a little classier than the home red.

Name: EUROPE
Number: 72

As a Capitals fan, who was born outside of Boston (dad was a Bruins fan), I personally would love to see the Maple Leafs win a cup.
Why?? I have an affinity for the “original 6”.
They haven’t won a Cup since ‘67 (I believe), and their fans effin’ deserve it!!
So let’s go Leafs!!

I’m starting to get pangs of desire for Dave’s 46. I guess we have another 6-7 weeks. The waiting IS the hardest part.

....so, my cousin is an Avs fan and never shuts up. He has a PhD in talking smack. I love him, but he is an expert in pushing buttons.
He's also a Broncos fan. It was fun watching him make excuses regarding Wilson last season. Suck it Steve and own it.

I still try to rememeber my first ten Lp, just remember the very first , Stones "Satanic Majesties Request". Then more or less the others not in order;..
But Traffic "Welcome to the canteen" was in the list. I still have " Shoot out the fantasy factory" in vinyl.
I agree with Santana 3, but "Abraxas" is the best.

Jack - An awesome choice for a jersey, very classic, and a very creative choice to personalize it. Europe ‘72 - brilliant.
Take heart, the Wings are a team on the way up, a lot of progress this year. They’ll be in the mix soon. It could be worse - 1967 is a loooong time ago!

Yes, Abraxas is also a good album. Another one is Caravanserai, which my brother had back when we were teenagers and didn't have many albums - so played what we did have to death. Neither of us had anything else like Caravanserai.
They were quite popular in mid 70's England, Santana. Possibly due that incendiary clip of them playing at Wood stock, which was still doing the rounds at this time.
I also remember when he hooked up with John McLaughlin and appeared to have converted to follow the guru Maharishi, I think he was called. There were followers of that in my world too, although it didn't appeal to me at the time. The album they cut, "Love Devotion and Surrender" is not for the fainthearted.

Actually, I can also remember Santana was supposed to be coming over to England with The Dead..in 1978...I think to do a show at Wembley. If I remember rightly, it got cancelled as The Dead were in the process of organising the trip to Egypt.

Fast forward to the early 90's, and I went out with someone who had a copy of "Supernatural". I was surprised he was still going. It sounded okay...but it didn't grab me like the earlier ones. I definitely preferred it to Nirvana, which was another band she liked at the time.

Daverock I agree, Caravanserai is a great album, which I played over and over also. It was the last album with Greg Rolie, and Neal Schon before they left and founded Journey. It features great playing by Schon. It also has a somewhat rock opera feeling, as songs and instrumentals flow into each other. This album had quite a few instrumentals. Here's a little description from Wiki:

Caravanserai is the fourth studio album by American rock band Santana, released on October 11, 1972. The album marked a period of transition for Santana as it was the band's last to feature several key early members, while shifting in a more instrumental, progressive jazz fusion direction.

BTW what a coincidence, I just ordered a Legacy copy of Santana 3 yesterday!

If you could please release the Complete Winter land Oct. 1974 run on CD and video, it would make all of us people around here who pay the rent very happy . Thanks David.

I'm glad you mentioned that Legacy Edition of the third album. I didn't know about that - the one I have came out in 1998, and feature just 3 bonus tracks from the Fillmore West 7/4/71. The whole of this seems to be included in the Legacy Edition. Very inexpensive too - it should be arriving tomorrow.
I notice there's a similarly styled edition of first album out there as well - with The Woodstock show included on the 2nd disc. There's probably one of Abraxas like this, too.

I haven't heard Caravanserai ever on cd - so that's well overdue for me. No bonus tracks on that from what I can see - and none needed.

....now you have!

Yes the Deluxe Edition of Santana III with the 2nd disc concert is da chit, as is Caravanserai...and if you don't have it grab Lotus (Live In Japan)...excellent as well...I saw Santana late '74 once and Neil & Gregg also opened as Journey....a few years ago I took the Mrs to see the reunion of the Santana III band do a complete three hour show at The House Of Blues, Las Vegas...Michael Shrieve, Gregg Rolie & Neil Schon were included and it was a great show...poor editing on the CD release messes up that show...the DVD is pretty unedited...this was when Santana IV came out a few years ago...

So March 22, 1969 I was at the Rose Palace in Pasadena CA to see The Butterfield Blues Band, Grateful Dead and some new weirdo English group name of Jethro Tull... cost a whole $4...the Rose Palace was a pit...a sheet metal hangar type of a building that was mainly used to build the floats for the Rose Parade...this venue became the spot in So Cal after the Shrine Expo Hall had been closed down due to police harassment...there were a bunch of great shows there before the locals pressured the powers that be to shut it down too...

Reading up, I notice that the bonus disc on Santana 3, the 7/4/71 show, came from the closing of the Fillmore West shows. I can remember seeing the film of that, but only once, about 1977. I wonder if all the shows were filmed and recorded - if so, that would make a good box set. The Dead's show on 7/2/71 came out unofficially as part of that so called "Yellow Box" of 1971 shows a few years ago. I can't say it's stuck in my memory particularly - and looking at the set list doesn't help - but it would be great if the whole set of that came out on dvd.

Yes, "Lotus" is a great live album. Another one that had maximum impact on vinyl in the 70's - but I have the cd of that here for later on.

Hey rockers!!!

3-23-23, Happy National Palindrome Day!

Eva, can I see bees in a cave?

Rock on!

Doc
Off to morgue, death takes no holidays

I was fortunate enough to see Santana play live in June 1970. A superb high-energy set that impressed me.

Set list:
Se A Cabo
Black Magic Woman / Gypsy Queen
Jingo
Oye Como Va
Incident At Neshabur
Toussaint L'Overture / Evil Ways
Persuasion
Soul Sacrifice
Encore: Gumbo

Great stuff. Hard to believe it was almost 53 years ago.

First turned on to Santana when I was out in SanFran summer of 1969 on a family road trip. All set to go to Woodstock but the 'rents said no way, we have a family expedition planned and you are only 17. So... visiting friends of theirs in the bay area, their same age son said, ditch the folks, lets spin some music, pulled out Santana's first album. A fan ever since. Lucky to see them twice later on, the Shango Tour at SPAC August '82 and a very wild scene at Ile des Vannes, just outside Paris, April '83. Suggest listening to Abraxas with headphones. Aquamarine on Marathon, with Jaco on bass, must listen on a full range system with a good sub. Borboletta for Airto's percussion. Prayers for Carlos health after recent issues.

Hey rockers!!!

Back in the land of the living, gotta eat lunch...........

We were---and still are---huge Santana fans, especially the first album (still a favorite of mine, sounded very exotic to my young ears), Abraxas, III, and Caravanserai.

First Carlos show, October 29 1972 at the old Boston Music Hall. Saw many more after that, always very interesting. Carlos has always played with a lot of heart and feeling.

Lotus may be their/his best live album. Features some very fine and fierce guitar work..............

Everybody sooner or later has to drop the luggage and the baggage of illusions.......

Rock on,

Doc
Some songs are just like tattoos for your brain... you hear them and they're affixed to you.........

This is true. And it's not always good.

for the Santana suggestions. Caravanserai yesterday and Santana 3 the day before. I was only really familiar with the first two albums. I really enjoyed Caravanserai, big hints of In A Silent Way at times. I've been listening to both through Tidal, I'm really getting into streaming these days. It's cd quality and better and saves me buying a load of stuff I'll only ever listen to a couple of times.

Last 5 all streamed

Manassas
Caravanserai
Santana 3
Decemberists - The Hazards of Love
NY_Time Fades Away

I haven't got round to playing it yet, but I notice Santana do a version of this at the 7/4/71 show included in the Legacy Edition of the 3rd album.

All this talk about Santana brings back a really fond memory. When I was about 12-13, and just discovering that I was total music nerd, I had a friend named George who a) was learning the bass guitar and b) owned a couple Santana records. I can remember, like it was yesterday, figuring out Evil Ways together and trying to jam on those two chords. What a thing it was to discover, for the first time, as my fingers fumbled around on the fifth fret, that I could find notes that fit over those chords, and put them together to make up a new little melody, and then another. A life-changer, that.

Bobby W said that songs are entities that have always existed, and they’re just out there looking for the right people to bring them to this plane of existence. That seems true of, say, Black Peter. Kind of disturbing, though, to think that My Lumps always existed, and was just waiting all those eons for Fergie to come along. Or that damned song from Cats. Which is now ear worming through my brain.

I'd be really surprised if they did the Winterland '74 run as a box: so much of that material has already been released (and to not always ecstatic reviews, it must be said, even tho I love it SYF and the move soundtrack) that I've got to think they'll look elsewhere. Still wondering why there never has been a Berkeley Greek box. Seems like it would work perfectly in the same way the StL box works: ie, same venue, different runs from different years. But I get the idea they kinda like to surprise us by avoiding obvious choices like that. So who knows.

Last five:
Messiaen: Quartet for the End of Time
Weather Report: The Legendary Live Tapes
Dexter Gordon: Swiss Nights
GOGD: DP 36
King Crimson: Thrak Attack

Joe was praising our mutual sports leagues in his speech in front of Parliament and when he got to hockey he said he likes all your teams except the Leafs, which got laughter and applause. He explained himself by saying he married a Philly girl and if he didn't want to sleep alone he had to say that since they beat her Flyers. Even bigger laughs and applause. Great sense of humor and a moving speech even citing JFK. Bless his heart!
Cheers

Even President Biden took a shot at the Leafs!
Tape it on the dressing room wall boys, use it as motivation! The Cup is ours this year! Sorry, posers.

Only saw Carlos Santana one time, around 1978-79 (whenever it was that Peter Frampton was a BIG DEAL, because he opened the show, with his voice box gimmick), but Carlos was remarkable. Note sustain like nobody else. I know the album he did with McLaughlin (Love Devotion Surrender) was a bit of an acquired taste, but I always liked it. But Lotus is a gem!

....I like having a boring POTUS.
Meanwhile, the previous guy spewed some vomit today that there would be "potential death and destruction" if he was indicted on any crimes.
Tell me you're guilty without actually telling me you're guilty.
My political post for the month.
The VGK is rolling.

....this is in my current last five.
So there!
I forgot about the UJB into He Was A Friend Of Mine. I do remember the Dark Star tease but an Alligator showed up instead all ugly and green. Swooning over here.
I remember when the cover was leaked. AJS maybe did it?
Vintage 2014. A lot has changed since then. But we will survive. Jerry told me.