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    Golden era Grateful Dead in the most golden city in the Golden State? Yes, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 46 features the complete unreleased show from the Hollywood Palladium, Los Angeles, 9/9/72. Loosen that tie, this ain't a red carpet rodeo - it's the after party that legends are made of. Consistently excellent from start to finish, this West Coast groove showcases tracks that would soon debut on EUROPE '72, solo material from both Jerry and Bob, a riveting iteration of "China>Rider," a couple of Chuck Berry doozies, a bonkers 35-plus "Other One" that hits all the psychedelic highs, and wraps up with a "Casey Jones"/"Sugar Magnolia"/"One More Saturday Night" finale that'll have you wondering why you wore a tie in the first place. Hooray for Hollywood, indeed.
     
    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release was recorded by Owsley Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Oh, and it ships next week so you'll wanna grab a copy while you can.

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  • Obeah
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    what’s next??

    I've been considering this lately, too, while I wait for my Dave's Picks 46 (yep - it's still not here yet. Replacement was shipped June 6th, but still I wait. I'm not sure why this is turning into such a quagmire...)

    So outside of the Giants Stadium box set, Dave hasn't dipped his toe into the Vince era yet, and one could say he's overdue: Dick's Picks #9 (Released 25+ years ago now!) was a Fall 1990 show, and Dick's #17 was Fall 1991(edit: forgot about #27, 12/16/92).

    But counting inclusively there are 6 official releases from 1991. Meanwhile, 1988 has but 3; 1984 and 1985, 2 each; and 1986, just one. Even the formerly neglected 1981 and 1982 now each have 5 shows officially released thanks to the MSG box set.

    I've heard that the quality of what's in the Vault begins to fall off in the mid-80s, and what's there is often on cassette, so I'm guessing that's one reason '84-'86 releases are limited. (I don't have sources for this so I may be wrong; if anyone wants to share more, by all means please do! I'm always fascinated by tales from the vault.)

    Man, what a nice problem to have, and what treasure! Such loot! Thirty years to choose from, and outside of the first few years (and the black hole that is the 2nd half of 1970) most of it is archived in the vault.

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    More Real Folk Blues by Muddy Waters & Down and Out Blues by Sonny Boy Williamson. Bought them on EBAY, mint condition can't wait to get them.

  • Oroborous
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    Walton

    Used to see him a lot at post Dead shows, especially Red Rocks.
    Often he’d be in VIP right in front of the board, usually putting on a show of his own lol.
    Remember one year he was leaning into the music so hard, leaning over the little section rope so far he damn near fell a few times. I can still see him doing this thing with his arms above his head to the wheel.
    Quite the visual seeing this goofy psychedelic giant gettin his groove on.

    So what’s next?? We’re in the annual deadnet doldrums again, everything’s moving here but much too slow…
    Perhaps 47 will 6/22/91 to go with the MUATM?

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    I was a HUGE Walton fan when he was a player. I used to take the bus down to Pauley Pavilion to watch him and his Bruin teammates practice under John Wooden, the greatest coach of all time when I was a pup. Yep, I was that much of a gym rat, then. Used to spend an inordinate amount of time playing and watching hoops. Tried to pattern my game after Walton, in fact. Which worked for a little while: I am tall for a "normal" human, but not for a basketball player, so those moves that 6'11'' Bill used down in the post didn't work that well for me.

    But he was great! Possibly the greatest college player of all time, but a guy whose body was not durable enough for the more physical game and longer seasons he had to endure as a pro. People forget this now, but the media at the time criticized Walton relentlessly for his vegetarian diet, blaming his injuries on poor nutrition. Which was bullshit. It later came out that team doctors had wrongly diagnosed and failed to treat his plantar fasciitis and other injuries. But it just shows you how a long haired, bearded, vegetarian, Deadhead athlete was viewed by the straight media in the '70s.

    I, too, sometimes find his broadcast work to be over the top, but I have to say that in person he's really nice and genuine.

    About ten years ago I was freelancing an article having to do with the NBA playoffs, and I was attending a game that Walton was broadcasting. I thought it'd be good to get a comment from him, so I stopped him in the hallway as he was leaving the court and asked for his thoughts, tape recorder at the ready. I thought he would give me a sentence or two and hurry on his way. Instead, he said, "let's do this right, let me give you my home number, you can call me tomorrow and we'll have a real conversation." I had to call several times, but eventually I got him on the line, and we talked for over an hour. I had what I needed after the first five minutes, but we were having such a nice conversation about life, music, basketball, food, etc, that we just kept going.

    I remember telling him, "you know, in my mind's eye, I can still see it to this day: I'm 13 years old and sitting in the stands Pauley, and there's this tall red headed kid with a basketball on his hip, leaning down to listen intently to Coach Wooden as he talks." And Bill just says, "I'm a lucky, lucky man."

    Such a long long time to be gone, and a short time to be there.

    Last five:
    Aaron Copland: Appalachian Spring
    Grant Green: Carrying On
    Sonny Rollins: Road Shows, Vol 1
    ABB: 40th Anniversary at the Beacon
    King Crimson: The Projekcts

  • 1stshow70878
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    Saw him twice at Red Rocks on stage right.
    Once with his leg in a cast and on crutches.
    Looked like he was having fun nonetheless.
    He has some ridiculous number of shows seen.
    Cheers

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    I caught the first two parts of this but haven't seen the next two. Obviously, Dead is infused throughout. Walton can grate on you with the hyperbole about things both Dead and non-Dead, but he was a fantastic bball player. His body just wasn't built for longevity. Shame, cause he had ridiculous skills and court awareness. Saw him, Parrish and McHale at a Worcester Mass show on side of the stage in April 87 and that was weird. Three skinny giants. Would love to know what Parrish thought of the show.

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    Thanks for the clarity. I remember now you discussing some this stuff before. My egg is obviously scrambled. Just thought when the MSG box came out that you might have been the one with the Playing/Crazy as the first show. Oh well. What was it? Confabulation. Thanks for the write-up. Man what a great start to a musical life. Have a friend who saw Hendrix at the 1970 Atlanta Pop Festival. Was that Baltimore show released. Isnt there a dead release that has Wolfman introducing them? Or was that in 1971? My scrambled egg might be over-cooked.

    VGuy Congrats!!! What a spectacle of domination that was. Florida looked fierce the first 10 minutes of the first game, then they looked way outmatched. Congrats to all the Knights, top to bottom. What a great team they are.

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    Now that sports are effectively over for the time being, you may want to check out the Bill Walton 30 for 30 special on ESPN if you still need to get your fix.

    I caught parts of episodes three and four last night between periods of the hockey game. Well worth my time.

  • Oroborous
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    Got no chance of losing…THIS TIME!

    Woooo whoooo, Nuggies AND the K niggits, two championships in 2 daze!
    Congrates Vguy! What a game. Must of been ridiculous to be in the building!
    It’s an awesome feeling to win, of course I would only know that from other teams as Bu faf still suffering the curse! Hey, at least the Leafs have won it numerous times, Bu faf has still never won anything…(well, lacrosse if ya count that?)
    Being a Buffalo fan ain’t for pussies: watch that Bills/KC game where they lose in the last 13 seconds, then multiply times over 50 years…ummmhhhmmm…no bueno
    So it’s nice to live vicariously and win one once in awhile ; )

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    Anticipation of replacement of that defective disc was heightened by significant number of automatic replies and rejected emails from wmg customer service. Marye had assured me she had put the request in soon after I contacted her, then about a week ago I had an email from a real person saying the disc was being sent out. Whats funny is that I am still getting automated messages from wmg that my request has been updated.
    First Dead show was the March 73 concert at Baltimore Civic Center, w/ Wolfman Jack mc, brought a camera. Missed a couple of other DC area shows by moving to Maine in 1970. Summer 1973, made it to Watkins Glen where we set up a few feet behind where HendrixFreak was. Very first rock event, age fifteen, Jimi at the Washington Hilton ballroom, March 1968, where he was tackled by a college prankster wearing a chicken head mask and did not miss a note. Holy Crap, long time ago. On Long Island, Casco Bay today with old college buddy Andy waiting for fog to lift, go fishing.

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Golden era Grateful Dead in the most golden city in the Golden State? Yes, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 46 features the complete unreleased show from the Hollywood Palladium, Los Angeles, 9/9/72. Loosen that tie, this ain't a red carpet rodeo - it's the after party that legends are made of. Consistently excellent from start to finish, this West Coast groove showcases tracks that would soon debut on EUROPE '72, solo material from both Jerry and Bob, a riveting iteration of "China>Rider," a couple of Chuck Berry doozies, a bonkers 35-plus "Other One" that hits all the psychedelic highs, and wraps up with a "Casey Jones"/"Sugar Magnolia"/"One More Saturday Night" finale that'll have you wondering why you wore a tie in the first place. Hooray for Hollywood, indeed.
 
Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release was recorded by Owsley Stanley and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. Oh, and it ships next week so you'll wanna grab a copy while you can.

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Bear's choice is a masterpiece for the cover but not for music. I made my own Pigpen Tribute:.
Next time you see me filmore 71-04
Mr Charlie lyceum 72-05-25
It hurts me too Shrine-67-11-10
Run Rudolph run Ann Arbor 71-12-14
Big boss man Newcastle 72-04-11
Good Lovin’ Chicago 71-08-24
Hard to handle Hollywood 71-08-6
Empty pages Chicago 71-08-24
Easy wind Port Chester 71-02-19
The Stranger Paris 72-05-4
Lovelight Wigan 72-05-7

I saw Gong twice and still listen The wondeful trilogy "Angels eggs-Flying Teapot- You"

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that was a killer Ace served up by Mr. Block, one inch either way and it misses. Perfect
I missed an anniversary but 46 years ago I saw the Grateful Dead in concert at the Lakeland Civic Center. Released as part of Dick's 29, I don't really remember but sure sounds good today.
Gong, just the name sounds trippy. Tryin to type with a rather large bandage on my index finger. fun

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Almost as good as that ace, when Block got up and down from wicked steep and deep rough on the last hole, he guaranteed himself a spot in next years PGA Championship. Though there was no luxury car for making that ace, if he had parred instead, he would have finished two shots lower and in less money, that ace was worth about 200K just by itself. Eerie that Hovland made the same exact mistake as Conners on 16, one day later with the same result, elimination.

Apparently. “Purple” was released only in Japan, so it’s great you have a copy. Weather Report was a very special band, really brought fusion up a notch and more accessible for casual jazz fans, and the alumni from WR is always worth checking out.
I agree on the “Last 5”, I always find it interesting to see what folks in the community are listening to. These are some Serious music fans here, with a wide range of taste, and you are right, the recommendations are incredible.
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Nils Lofgren - Back It Up! Live - An Authorized Bootleg
Stephen Stills - Live At Berkeley 1971
Neil Young & the Ducks - High Flyin’
Dave Holland - Without Deception
Charles Lloyd - Tone Poem

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41 years ago today I was up at the Greek Theatre for another fun day with the Grateful Dead. Fun show, its got a Cumberland Blues and a good one, I've never heard a bad one. Hopefully, we will get a Greek Box set one day. Damn fun times they were!

An album by Miroslav that's great is "Infinite Search" recorded in 1970...it was later re-released on Atlantic under the name "Mountain In The Clouds"...simply amazing... Joe Henderson, Herbie Hancock, John McLaughlin, Jack DeJonette & Joe Chambers...whew...This was a year before Weather report's first LP...

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is the one who crosschecked a defenseless player in the face less than two minutes into the game and got ejected. Then that clown Domi, whose father was one of the dirtiest players of all time, pulls a similar stunt in the second period.

So let’s throw garbage on the ice and leave.

Nice.

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Greek Theater, University Of California - Berkeley, CA

Released with 30 trips.

But they can and will release more at some point. I need to revisit 81 through 83 again.. it's been a while.

I dont know about Benn and crosschecking (didnt watch the game) but it soundz bad.

I did tune in very late and saw empty seats

Edit...looked it up. Poooor sportsmanship, anyone?

I will wear my GK shirt tomorrow

Greek starts with G and ends in K...far out, man.

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41 years ago it was Sunday at the Greek with the Good old Grateful Dead. Great show, Shakedown, Stella Blue, Casey Jones, Broke down Palace. I'm sure allot of other people who post here were also there.

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Not to piss off any non hockey person or people who say this is for talking about the dead.

But,,,, I looked up cross checking (no idea what it was,,,,, not a hockey person).

I watched the video online. This didn't seem that bad. I thought that would be considered normal hockey.

True?

One more point - I always hope texas teams will lose because this state is so full of itself. A legend in their own mind. Or as they like to say,,,, greatest nation in the union. So yeah, lose.

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Happy birthday #82 Bob Dylan.
Look out, kid, they keep it all hid
Better jump down a manhole, light yourself a candle

PS - Dennis: The crosscheck was vicious, something they are trying to remove from the game. No need for that stuff.

That CC was lame. It might not look so bad from behind angle, but from front you can see he keeps the pressure on and almost bounces…he could of crushed the windpipe or neck, phuching goon!
The announcers were like “well depending on if he ment it, or if he intended to hit on the shoulders…”
BS, that goon was going for throat! I think the refs got this one right with the time fitting the crime, though some got six months, some got one solid, but me and my buddy, got life time yeah…

Funny, relatively new Dave’s and besides us rule breaking nuts crickets…?

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I would happily talk more about DaP46 to help dispel the crickets. Except... I still don't have my copy yet, as it was lost during shipping. Six days ago I did finally get through to someone at Warner who said a replacement was "being processed" but since then I've only had my own private chorus of crickets. I hope it's quietly on its way to me at last.

Ah well, I listened yesterday to 5/23/92, since I was there that night. And during Women are Smarter, I could hear Weir testing his mic setup (happens a couple of times, at one point he says "testing") and this reminded me of what Phil wrote in his book about how Dan Healy was eventually let go for messing with Bob's levels. I wonder if this was evidence of that.

Obeah would it be possible to tell me how you contacted Warner?

I too have yet to receive DP46. My countless messages to dead.net have gone unanswered.

Thanks for any help!

Jim

Hey Jimrell sorry to hear you're also having issues. So after waiting patiently for two weeks, I drove down to the post office, where a clerk checked the tracking info and told me that my package was still with UPS. Later that afternoon, after dealing with the unhelpful UPS chat bot, I finally reached a live person, who told me that my package had been lost, but that because of the terms of service I couldn't open a case with UPS; I had to reach out to the shipper.

At that point I opened a ticket with dead.net, and then I also reached out to Marye here on the forums (because I saw so many people saying "DM Marye, she can help"). Mary was super kind, and I really don't know what she may have done behind the scenes. I waited another week. During that time I got an automated reply to my ticket, but nothing else happened. On the 18th I tried again (by replying to the ticket email, and being polite but expressing disappointment) and then to my surprise just a few minutes later I received a response from someone named "Sherry" at Warner. Sherry apologized for the hassle and told me a replacement shipment "was being processed."

The email also read, "You will receive a confirmation email when your replacement order ships. You have not been charged for this shipment." But that was six days ago, and I still don't have a confirmation email, so who knows at this point. Good luck! I hope things work out for the both of us!

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Finally got the second half of the bonus disc done yesterday.
If I had to guess based only on these few songs I would say Denver was the better show but of course taken out of the whole show context it is a guess. Thursday I should get the first listen to Hollywood. Been waiting for an empty house so I can crank it up as it should be heard. I'm trying not to piecemeal the first listen this time to get a better feel for it. It's just not the same.
Cheers

R.I.P. Tina Turner

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For me, every delivery from Warners/Rhino/Dead takes longer than before, and because I’m in Canada, delivery charges have gone up enormously to $16 per item, yet items are still shipped the cheapest/slowest way possible. I really dickered on buying this DaP 46, given all the previous delivery issues, but given I still don’t have it, I’m absolutely certain it is the last thing I’m buying off this site. I can say with a clear conscience it is particular to this site, too, because I order world wide, never even close to as slow as this site. If you charge fucking $16 shipping, at least use it for shipping. I have deadnet shipping fatigue.

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God that was a shock, reading that. Such a great performer and so many amazing records. I still enjoy watching videos of her from the 60's and 70's on youtube.

Dave's 46 is one of the best Picks, to my ears. I enjoyed all of it, but the third cd is obviously where it all kicks off. I've enjoyed Truckin-The Other One's from 1972 more than any other Dead music this year, I would say. And as I have just started on the Lyceum shows from May, I am heading towards what may be the ultimate version on 26th.
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Box Set cd1 - 1966 recordings - Buffalo Springfield
Pushin' Too Hard - The Seeds
L - Steve Hillage
Rubbles Volume 14 - The Magic Rocking Horse - Various
Revolver - this new 2022 stereo mix - The Beatles

Special mention also for the 1928 blues recordings by Ramblin' Thomas "Hard Dallas." In the sleeve notes, it states -
"He presents himself as a lazy, unreliable, drunken backbiter always on the lookout for a meal ticket woman." Quite impressive, really.

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There have been 4 1972 shows released in the Dave's Picks series thus far: 11 11/17/72, 14 3/26/72, 24 8/25/72, and now 46 9/19/72. For each of them, the major jam is a massive Other One, with 14's Bonus Disc including another Other One. And, how have there only been 4 1972 Picks?!?

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I hear you man.. and that goes to our good friends across the pond and elsewhere around the globe. I have to wonder if some of the struggles with international postage and fees has a tiny bit to do with the tariff wars, increase in nationalism, and general pissing contests between nations that were staged a few years back (and still continue). Not pointing fingers but my heart sank when all this occurred, it troubles me.

If it ain't broke don't fix it.

John Nash (beautiful mind movie) was awarded the nobel prize in 1994 for his work in Game Theory in part by modeling (I think proving) how these tariffs and taxes between economic competitors hurt everyone and help no one, but it seems no one listens and everybody loses. I realize we started this.. so blame us I guess. A self inflicted wound and plain stupid. Everyone loses.

That's all I have.. Still haven't listened to 46 yet.. working on it. As you were.

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Hockey would be more fun to watch IF THERE WERE MORE SCORING!!!

As soon as I grouched that the Canes tied the game

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Jim - I don’t believe it is tariff issues, mainly because our countries maintain NAFTA 2, and other items arrive from the US and Europe in reasonable time, but thank you for the support. I wouldn’t even mention it, but some others had mentioned they hadn’t received theirs, either, and the futility of trying to reach customer service here is legendary. The shipping fee on the box sets is now $70, high for sure, but if it meant delivery in even a week, great. But judging from previous ones I’ve ordered, it’s 5-6 weeks+, with no tracking, and you paid your money months earlier, and good luck to you. No thanks. Like I said, Dead shipping fatigue.
It is what it is.

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Alvarhanso: would guess the quick easy answer why would be the Europe 72 tour with the Academy of Music run up. That massive amount, along with a few Dicks Picks (4?), Sunshine Daydream, Hofheinz, River box and download, there's a bunch more 1972 shows released. However can only agree, there's more good stuff from fall 72 to come. Meanwhile, empathetic with those still waiting on their 46, did get mine early May but did not play through soon enough to discover disc one was defective and skips. Notified, now have been waiting a couple weeks, it does seem to take WMG quite a while, but eventually all should be made whole.

....yesterday was Bob Dylan's 82nd birthday, so of course Billy had to acknowledge it. Played Don't Think Twice It's Alright, Drifter's Escape and debuted Motorpsycho Nitemare.
Wow, wow, wow.....wow.

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Wow! The sound is absolutely stupendous. Bear was a genius.
Only through disc one but the setlist flows beautifully.
Vocals are where they should be. No idea what that post was about.
There is real screamer in the audience, lol.
Will report back later with disc 2, 3 reviews.
Cheers all
Cool 1st set closers, Playin' at the perfect length to catch all the good stuff, Loser, J. Be Goode.
2nd set played in corrected order. Too bad it didn't fit to break it in Drums. What a tasty, rowdy, Truckin' > Drums > T.O.O. It's got it all. Jazzy, mind reading, and goes everywhere and back with room for some feedback space that isn't even annoying, lol. Keith laying down sweet riffs, this jam is so good it should have a name. The whole show has a great building pace. I like everything about this show, and I don't often say that. But I'm learning to do that more. Cheers

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..that all 4 Daves from 1972 have featured The Other One as it's major jam, rather than Dark Star. All the more reason to dig out Dicks Picks 11 - 9/27/72, and 36 - 9/21/72 to play alongside them to give a fuller picture. That last one also features bonus tracks from 9/3/72 - He's Gone-The Other One-Wharf Rat. That's what you call value for money.

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I was at the UC Santa Barbara Campus Stadium for a Wall Of Sound Show...Maria Muldaur was the opener...it also served as a bachelor party for my buddy John....Next week he and the Mrs will celebrate their 49th Anniversary...yeow...here's the thing though...as we were in line to get in we found a vendor of the most delicious windowpane...he pulled out a small tin of child size band aids...he tore off four band aids from the strip and we opened them and a hit was stuck between the pull off paper and the sticky end of the ban aid...WTF!!!...greatest packaging job I've ever seen...we took our hits and I put my band aid on my hat as did two other of my friends BUT...John put his on his forehead....after a day of frolicking in the sun I looked at John and he was sunburnt to a tee and he still had the band aid on...I reached over and pulled it off and it looked like a light of beam shooting out of his forehead, by the wedding the following week he looked like a partially peeled tomato with a white slot on his forehead, La Señora was not amused....some fun...sadly though as time marches on we lost our two buds that went with us, Dogweed Al and Mousey...another thing about this show was that I took a folding beach chair with me and I used it to lay back and have the music just wash over me...fast forward to the '82 Greek shows Billy was talking about...at the Friday night show I was one of the first in and grabbed the place I wanted...first row off the floor dead center...as people were filing in I saw this one guy looking at me...he walked over and asked me "Were you at UCSB in '74?" I did a double take and started laffing and said yes I was...he told me he saw me laid back on that beach lounger and thought "Man...he looks comfortable!!!" He shook my hand and walked off...ya never know, ya know?

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Always has the best tales!
Keep ‘em coming Bra.

Kights that say neet didn’t have their neet working last night.
Seemed a little flat, or was it Dallas was sporting the scared corned animal fighting for their life routine?
Prolly both, hopefully the Kiniggits finish em off at home for da fans mañana…
Damn FLA is looking tough, if it’s them and Vegas it should be an awesome series!

Ok, hup hup down to the mine, quicker it opens, sooner it closes. Sooner we get there, the sooner we get out and drink cold frosty beverages, listen to Dead, and open the patio for the season, woo hoo (think we might be done with snow this year?)🤞 oh, those woo woo woo woo birds are starting to show up. Maybe this year we’re gonna id em ; )
Happy fry yea all!

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Try googling Mourning Dove for that 4 woo call.
Sad (hence mourning) 4 woo call with the first one going up, then down. And a slight pause between woo 2 and 3. Very common but I would have to check some lists on ebird to see if they are common in the Eagle valley. That ebird site is run by Cornell labs if we need a Dead connection to this post, lol.
Cheers

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Couldn't resist chirping in. Cornell has a free app for bird ID, called Merlin. It's excellent. One of the great features is Sound ID, simple, great concept. Install the free app on your phone, get close to the bird sound, press record. You will see a rolling audio graph and birds will be identified by their sounds. It can pick out birds from hundreds of yards away, individuals, multiple bird songs. ID tag appears with tiny photos, which lights up repeatedly every time it detects that bird. When you stop recording, you have a record, time and place stamped, which birds were recorded. Especially good for birds which are reclusive, ovenbirds, etc. Also to ID birds which can sound and look alike, such as the warblers. There are full screen photos available for straight visual ID as well. And yep, that sure sounds like Mourning Doves.

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