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    WHAT'S INSIDE:
    Five complete, previously unreleased performances on 17CDs
    Des Moines, IA 5/13/73
    Santa Barbara, CA 5/20/73
    San Francisco, CA 5/26/73
    Washington, D.C. 6/9/73
    Washington, D.C. 6/10/73
    Recorded by Kidd Candelario, Betty Cantor-Jackson, and Owsley Stanley
    Newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes
    Mastered by Jeffrey Norman
    Liners featuring notes from Canadian author, Ray Robertson, The Owsley Stanley Foundation, and Legacy Manager and Audio Archivist, David Lemieux
    Art and Design by GRAMMY® Award-winning Art Director, Masaki Koike
    Custom-dyed Tenugui and an exclusive poster featuring an illustration by Mary Ann Mayer
     
    Limited Edition Individually Numbered To 10,000 
    Exclusively At Dead.net
     
    "There’s the simple fact that the band members were old enough and experienced enough by now to be virtuosos on their instruments (what other group—rock or jazz or any other kind of music—could boast a trio of spectacularly singular talents such as Garcia, Lesh, and Weir?) but were still young enough to want to play and play and play some more, the happy, itchy inclination of youth. As a few of the shows in the Here Comes Sunshine boxed set attest, it wasn’t unusual for a 1973 concert to exceed four hours. And within the shows themselves, there are nearly nightly examples of hour-long orgies of tune-linked songcraft and juicy jamming." - Ray Robertson, HERE COMES SUNSHINE 1973 Liners
     
    8 years in and the Grateful Dead are a little bit of everything to everyone. They are putting up textures and tones of rock, of jazz, of country, with set-morphing vibes and long stretches of improvisations that are completely keyed into the sum of their parts. Keith Godchaux is here with his cascading notes. Donna Jean too. Both finding their footing and keeping things steady in the wake of Pigpen's unfillable gap. The spring of 1973 feels transformative for the Dead - no more so than the May and early June shows, complementary yet remarkably different, soon-to-be cornerstones of everyone's tape collections, and now, 50 years later, set to be part of the band's official canon.
     
    HERE COMES SUNSHINE 1973 is a limited-edition, 17CD boxed set with five previously unreleased, highly sought-after Dead shows, including: Iowa State Fairgrounds, Des Moines, IA (5/13/73), Campus Stadium, UCSB, Santa Barbara, CA (5/20/73), Kezar Stadium, San Francisco, CA (5/26/73), and Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium, Washington, D.C. (6/9/73) and (6/10/73).
     
    During the spring, the band road-tested most of the songs they would record that summer for WAKE OF THE FLOOD – their first studio album in three years – including early live versions of “Mississippi Half-Step Toodeloo,” “Row Jimmy,” “Stella Blue,” “Eyes Of The World,” and, the set’s namesake, “Here Comes Sunshine.” Also tucked into the collection are songs destined for the Dead’s 1974 studio album, FROM THE MARS HOTEL – “China Doll,” “Loose Lucy,” and “Wave That Flag,” a precursor to “U.S. Blues.”
     
    The new repertoire slipped neatly into the fluid setlists alongside songs honed on the 1972 European tour (“Jack Straw,” “Tennessee Jed,” “Brown-Eyed Women”), Chuck Berry perennials (“Promised Land,” “Around And Around”), classic country (“Big River,” “The Race Is On”), and incredible jam sequences: “He’s Gone”> “Truckin’”> “The Other One”> “Eyes Of The World.”
     
    Due June 30th, the individually-numbered, limited-edition 17CD set features vibrant graphics and custom-designed folios by GRAMMY® Award-winning Art Director Masaki Koike, a custom-dyed Tenugui and an exclusive poster featuring an illustration by Mary Ann Mayer, and liner notes by Canadian author Ray Robertson, The Owsley Stanley Foundation, and David Lemieux. And, of course, it features newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes, mastered by Jeffrey Norman.
     
    Digital convert? We've got you covered too. On the very same day you can collect your hi-definition download.

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  • #611
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    More or less decided to leave the analog system alone.
    Likely go to a separate 5.1 A/V receiver dedicated to some new old speakers.
    There is great stuff available for next to nothing as folks upgrade their systems.
    Have some very reliable vendor/techs I trust too.
    Esta todo bien.
    Cheers and thanks again

  • #612
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    Let me know what gear your trying to integrate and I can look it up and make suggestions if you like?

  • #613
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    That discussion helped me figure some things out too.
    Vaguely thinking about having the TV sound through the big system.
    You are The Man on this subject. Don't need an electrician.
    Cheers and thanks!

  • #614
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    Hey amigo,
    Sorry for being so tardy, been busier than a one legged man in an ass kicking contest.
    I did look up your amp and it’s an integrated analog only unit. The “integrated”means it’s has both the pre amp section, and the power amp section all in one box. From looking at the back of the unit from a photo of one for sale, it appears it’s analog only. Sorry I just haven’t had time to look up specs etc.
    I’m wondering now what make and model tv you have? I’m guessing they were trying to back feed the audio from the tv to your integrated amp. Depending on years and models etc, that could be via an analog out of the tv, or optical, which is a digital connection. Like most things, to maximize profits, analog connections are often going away…

    Since your amp is all analog, it does not have a a digital section or DAC (digital to analog converter) so i would think it would have to be the former: your amp cannot connect directly to a digital source, unless it has its own DAC, which is what your CD player is doing. This is why they commented on age of the unit, not because it’s no longer usable!

    The tech probably just had to adjust some audio settings in the TV in order to output analog audio back to your amp.
    I’m not sure why they didn’t just follow suite with your cable box and Blu-ray player and run analog out of those units and into your amp like your CD player? Perhaps sync/delay issues? Sometimes the audio and video can get slightly out of sync when utilizing different paths depending on electronics?
    The switching would be an extra step but the sound would probably be better, (as long as no sync issues) though perhaps your cable or Sat box doesn’t have any analog outs. It’s unfortunately becoming more common to only have an HDMI video output?
    A increasingly more common approach to a basic TV set up is to run your sources into the tv via HDMI, and back feed audio via ARC (audio return channel via HDMI) but that requires a tv and receiver or integrated amp that supports it. This is mostly for cost and convenience so you only have to switch TV inputs and have all the video audio on one input channel of your amp. But I could walk you through wiring your video source audio direct to your amp if your interested, and depending on what kind of outputs your sources have: HDMI only or with something else i.e., optical, coax, or analog etc.
    To find out, just look at the back of your Cable or Sat box and your Blu-ray player: outputs should be labeled, but if not, you can tell by looking. RCA analog connections are what’s on the back of your integrated amp. If you see some that look like these your all set. If besides HDMI there is only optical or coax, your out of luck (digital coax is usually an orange color, at least in the states? Analog RCA are usually Red for right, and white for left). Many will only have HDMI.

    The good news is I don’t see any reason why you need to upgrade your amp if you like it and don’t want to!
    Perhaps the next best upgrade you could make if you kept the amp, would be to get an asynchronous DAC.
    That way you could utilize all your digital connections on your various digital sources, routing them into the DAC for conversion, with just one analog out of the DAC to your amp. You’d leave the amp on the same input (except turntable which being analog already would still go to directly the amps phono stage (though you could upgrade to a separate one of those also). You would do the switching of sources on the DAC instead of the amp.
    But you don’t have to do this, it would just be a nice upgrade as the DAC chip sets in most things are cheap garbage, especially TVs!! Your CD players DAC is probably at least decent?
    Right now, it sounds like your video sources are being converted in your tv, no bueno!
    The DACs they use in TVs and computers, and most lower cost electronics cost less than a dollar, a good separate DAC can range from a hundred dollars up to a hundred grand, so obviously something made to do a specific job should be an improvement over doing it the cheapest way possible…
    Another option if you do think about replacing the amp is to get a new integrated amp with digital inputs, though they might not do HDMI. Some now are utilizing the ARC technology I mentioned above. A good integrated should have a decent DAC so you could use whatever digital output your tv has to back feed from tv to the DAC, or run separate audio from the source to the DAC, and video to the tv, leaving the cheap tv electronics out of the audio chain.

    Similar, and most convenient would be a new AVR or Audio Video receiver. These usually have HDMI and analog inputs so you can run all your video sources into it with one HDMI video out to your Telly. You could run your CD digital or analog to it depending on the AVRs capabilities and preferences. You would have to make sure it has the correct phono stage for your turntable, or get a separate phono stage. AVRs, unless super high end, are usually not going to have as good components/electronics as a good integrated amp, or perhaps even a good DAC with your existing amp? Their designed for switching, convenience, a Jack of all trades but master of none if you will.
    Also, their more for surround sound etc, and I believe you have 2 channel so it would probably be money better spent on gear tailored more for your needs…but it’s a viable option…

    LOL, Yes, I wish I did live down the street, after I tweeked your system, we could go have a pint and play verbal tennis about our favorite bands etc. AND, I have a pre-pro that’d I could sell ya cheap that would probably solve your issues, Dooaahh!

    Still not quite sure what they ment about your amp effecting your CDs/player? It makes no sense?
    I have seen units that might have some brief latency between the audio and display, but that has nothing to do with what it’s connected to. I’m not sure of any audio gear that depends on everything in the chain “talking” to each other, only HDMI. Though not common there theoretically could be an all HDMI audio chain, but even then I’m not sure there’d be the same “handshake” issues that occur with HDMI video?

    Ok, sorry, that’s too much at once I suspect?
    Get me more intel and I’ll follow up with you.
    - what make/model TV do you have!
    - list all your video sources?
    - what kind of outputs does your Cable or Sat box, or other video sources have? (Please see above for instructions)
    - what is more important to you, maximizing audio, or convenience and ease of operations?

    I hope to have at least a little time this WE so if you can get back to me I might be able to figure more out.

    Sorry to rest for going on, hey, once a geek…
    besides, y’all can perhaps learn something from my tutorials that will help you maximize your GOGD audio nirvana!
    Hey, Who wouldn’t want to experience the most of all the plangent aural ecstasy lovingly provided by the likes of Norman and Glasser ; )

  • #615
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    So far all of the CDs I've purchased since the 1980s still work fine. I rip all mine and keep them stored. Some discs I bring to play in the car, but never the limited edition ones.

  • #616
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    Hey Oro-sorry it's taken me a while to respond to your post. This is where I show my ignorance - more than usual. I don't actually know what kind of cables I've got. When I bought my cd player, a guy from the shop came to set it up for me, and he brought these cables with him.
    This cd player, it was 2019 when I got it, is a Rega Saturn - R. The amplifier, which I got about 1997 has "Isobel 50 W solid state integrated amplifier" printed on the top.
    I bought the speakers in 1997 too. I can't remember what make they are!
    My record player is a pro ject, and I got that about 2018.

    So, a very random approach. Both the cd player and the records sound great to me though. The last Dead I played was from the PNW box - 5/17/74. A really sparkling sound-especially that of Jerry and Keith.

    I got the idea that my amplifier might not be a bit antiquated when I bought an Oled telly and blu ray player last year. For some reason, I couldn't get the sound to come out of my speakers, despite the fact that it was wired up to do so. Three people came out from the shop - and the last one managed to get it to work. I don't know what he did, but he said that because the amp was made in a way that they no longer make 'em, it couldn't pick up the signal from the tv/blu ray. He tinkered about with it ( getting a it technical here) and hey presto! Sound!

    The other thing is, when I listen to a cd - say track 3, the display panel still shows track 2 until a few seconds after track3 has started playing. This engineer who sorted it out told me that the delay was due to the amp being as old and different as it is, and that it took time to pick up the signal from the cd player. I really don't know whether what he said was correct or not.

    It's a pity you don't live down the road, really, so you could pop in and have a look. What do you mean "thank God for small mercies"!

  • #617
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    I always rip them to my server immediately out of the package, then put them back and on the shelf.
    I used to also make a CD back up copy, but I’ve not been lately.
    As far as I can recall, I’ve only had problems with the music only Boxilla.
    I had a Hellava time ripping some of those discs. I think I eventually got them all, but some took hours to rip.
    Considering what that box cost, it was a stressful unpleasant experience.

    DR: your amp shouldn’t be a problem. Sounds perhaps like a sales pitch?
    A good analog amplifier can last decades, and should have nothing to do with discs being troublesome.
    Speakers and amplifiers if well built, do not need to be upgraded unless you don’t like how they sound, or obviously if they break.
    All an amplifier does is take the final, processed signal if you will, which is always eventually analog, and which is very low level, and amplifies it so it can drive the speakers. It just takes a very low level signal, and makes it loud, that’s all.
    Now this is a separate amplifier I’m speaking of, if you have an “all in one”, or receiver, those have a pre amp and often a digital processor, along with an amplifier, all in one box.
    If so, they might be talking about the front end or pre amp/processing section, but the amplifier is still just an amp like described above, it’s just lives in the same box.
    I’m curious what kind of cable or connection you have with your CD player?
    Actually, I’m curious about your whole set up…

  • #618
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    My older DaPs are physically peeling. For me it's the discs, not the player(s). YMMV

    Lesson: Check and Rip your discs immediately. -edit- And....Do NOT store them in a hot car...Slaps Head (thank God I followed my own ripping advice) :-) :-) :-)¯

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    Interesting messages about hi fi maintenance. I am a real luddite when it come to technology. One of my friends recently suggested I try switching it off and on at the mains. That's about my level, I'm afraid.

    Apart from one cd from a 1976 Daves Picks, all mine have played well. And the ones in boxes.The ones that don't play so well are ones I have had for a while, and they always seem to play on my very cheap portable player if not my hi fi. So it seems that it's the hi fi that is at fault.
    The worst experience has been a T.Rex box set. A lot of people complained about these discs on Amazon, but mine played alright. That was last year. This year none of them will play.

    My front room can be a bit dusty - I have an open, and unused fireplace not too far from my hi fi. I keep it well dusted and have even taken to putting an old tee shirt on the system to keep the gremlins out. I think for me that could be a problem - that and the age and mismatch of my amplifier with the new stuff. I said earlier it was 20 years old-nearer 27, when I think about it .

    Not only this - I now need a new stylus. The last time I got one, the guy from the shop came to my house to attach it. His assistant came first, and he couldn't do it - so the owner of the shop came out and fitted it. Don't know how I am going to get the darn thing in place on my own. It was never a problem in the 70'-80's.

  • #620
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    My Onkyo 6-disc changer started having drop outs in random spots. I would rewind and play again and the drop out was not there. So I think it was an electronics issue and not dust. Replaced the Onkyo with a Cambridge Audio and the CD’s played fine and even sounded better.

    I have CD’s from a variety of bands where the CD’s play fine on both the Onkyo and the Cambridge Audio players, but a good copy cannot be made to a hard drive. Redoing it with the same burner, or doing it on another computer with a different burner, still gives a copy with skips, but the skips are in different locations.
    This was the case with Road Trips Fall 77 + bonus disc (which I only got a few years ago). I had to copy the discs 5 times using 3 different computers and burners in order to get a single version on a music player that didn’t have skips.

    The only defective CD I ever got from Rhino was CD3 of 6-17-76, which Rhino acknowledged was defective and sent out defective replacements, then again sent out replacements which were fixed.

    If you store your CD’s in a hot car you should expect that they will eventually start to degrade. And the slot opening of car CD players can scuff up the disc. When I previously had a car with a CD player I made CD-R copies of my CD’s and stored the CD-R’s in the car.

    I put copies of all my GD releases on a music player and don’t continue spinning the CD’s once a good copy is on the music player. The GD releases are then stored in crates, protected from dust and dog drool.

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WHAT'S INSIDE:
Five complete, previously unreleased performances on 17CDs
Des Moines, IA 5/13/73
Santa Barbara, CA 5/20/73
San Francisco, CA 5/26/73
Washington, D.C. 6/9/73
Washington, D.C. 6/10/73
Recorded by Kidd Candelario, Betty Cantor-Jackson, and Owsley Stanley
Newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes
Mastered by Jeffrey Norman
Liners featuring notes from Canadian author, Ray Robertson, The Owsley Stanley Foundation, and Legacy Manager and Audio Archivist, David Lemieux
Art and Design by GRAMMY® Award-winning Art Director, Masaki Koike
Custom-dyed Tenugui and an exclusive poster featuring an illustration by Mary Ann Mayer
 
Limited Edition Individually Numbered To 10,000 
Exclusively At Dead.net
 
"There’s the simple fact that the band members were old enough and experienced enough by now to be virtuosos on their instruments (what other group—rock or jazz or any other kind of music—could boast a trio of spectacularly singular talents such as Garcia, Lesh, and Weir?) but were still young enough to want to play and play and play some more, the happy, itchy inclination of youth. As a few of the shows in the Here Comes Sunshine boxed set attest, it wasn’t unusual for a 1973 concert to exceed four hours. And within the shows themselves, there are nearly nightly examples of hour-long orgies of tune-linked songcraft and juicy jamming." - Ray Robertson, HERE COMES SUNSHINE 1973 Liners
 
8 years in and the Grateful Dead are a little bit of everything to everyone. They are putting up textures and tones of rock, of jazz, of country, with set-morphing vibes and long stretches of improvisations that are completely keyed into the sum of their parts. Keith Godchaux is here with his cascading notes. Donna Jean too. Both finding their footing and keeping things steady in the wake of Pigpen's unfillable gap. The spring of 1973 feels transformative for the Dead - no more so than the May and early June shows, complementary yet remarkably different, soon-to-be cornerstones of everyone's tape collections, and now, 50 years later, set to be part of the band's official canon.
 
HERE COMES SUNSHINE 1973 is a limited-edition, 17CD boxed set with five previously unreleased, highly sought-after Dead shows, including: Iowa State Fairgrounds, Des Moines, IA (5/13/73), Campus Stadium, UCSB, Santa Barbara, CA (5/20/73), Kezar Stadium, San Francisco, CA (5/26/73), and Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium, Washington, D.C. (6/9/73) and (6/10/73).
 
During the spring, the band road-tested most of the songs they would record that summer for WAKE OF THE FLOOD – their first studio album in three years – including early live versions of “Mississippi Half-Step Toodeloo,” “Row Jimmy,” “Stella Blue,” “Eyes Of The World,” and, the set’s namesake, “Here Comes Sunshine.” Also tucked into the collection are songs destined for the Dead’s 1974 studio album, FROM THE MARS HOTEL – “China Doll,” “Loose Lucy,” and “Wave That Flag,” a precursor to “U.S. Blues.”
 
The new repertoire slipped neatly into the fluid setlists alongside songs honed on the 1972 European tour (“Jack Straw,” “Tennessee Jed,” “Brown-Eyed Women”), Chuck Berry perennials (“Promised Land,” “Around And Around”), classic country (“Big River,” “The Race Is On”), and incredible jam sequences: “He’s Gone”> “Truckin’”> “The Other One”> “Eyes Of The World.”
 
Due June 30th, the individually-numbered, limited-edition 17CD set features vibrant graphics and custom-designed folios by GRAMMY® Award-winning Art Director Masaki Koike, a custom-dyed Tenugui and an exclusive poster featuring an illustration by Mary Ann Mayer, and liner notes by Canadian author Ray Robertson, The Owsley Stanley Foundation, and David Lemieux. And, of course, it features newly restored and speed-corrected audio by Plangent Processes, mastered by Jeffrey Norman.
 
Digital convert? We've got you covered too. On the very same day you can collect your hi-definition download.

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Submitted by ladnarc on Mon, 07/03/2023 - 09:10

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Limited edition BS again. Pumping this all weekend on Sirius, telling us to go buy it but it's totally sold out. Jokes on us. Ha ha ha. So annoying.

Still wading through the box, I've been bouncing around, but holy guacamole the first set in Santa Barbara is chef's kiss. Race Is On through Playing is all A+.

I'm assuming this show has never circulated widely, because Headyversion doesn't have anything from it that gets high marks. Have to figure that's lack of ears on it, not lack of quality in it.

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Submitted by Elbow49 on Mon, 07/03/2023 - 13:54

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If you have received your box set, could you let us unlucky people know. Thanks.

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Submitted by wharfrat6969 on Mon, 07/03/2023 - 14:02

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How/who to contact for replacement discs? I have never had this issue in the past?

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Mon, 07/03/2023 - 14:58

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One for me and one for my brother. He was at the Kezar show. I'm having a bbq today, so perfect timming.

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Submitted by rasta5ziggy on Mon, 07/03/2023 - 16:52

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Must be out of the loop, but a band that has recorded no new songs/music in 8 years, plays the same ol' songs for 8 years.......isn't that a cover band ? So happy for the younger generation that gets to enjoy the music that the Dead made, but,....well, I got nothing more to say. Drummer Bill made the right decision to enjoy Hawaii.

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Submitted by Alan57 on Mon, 07/03/2023 - 18:11

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Be sure to mention in any communication that you have become aware via Internet forums etc that this is a widespread problem with this release.Almost certainly caused by very poor and totally inadequate disc handling procedures somewhere in their chain.That the only acceptable solution is to give you replacement discs even if that means remanufacture.
Do not accept offers of discounts on future releases.

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Submitted by Gratefulhan on Mon, 07/03/2023 - 18:23

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I got my box set this past Friday and I immediately went to ripping them especially because I read some comments from others who had some issues. I got lucky as all of the discs came snug in the cardboard sleeve. So the good news was that the discs were not floating around in the package during shipping. The bad news was that I had to carefully remove them from the cardboard sleeve- I have had a few discs get scuffs because they were so snug in the sleeve that the seam was separated by the disc. That runs this risk of the glue getting on the disc and damaging it so I was worried about that.

Anyway I keep all of my CDs in those plastic clamshell cases just to keep them from going back into those cardboard sleeves and possibly getting damaged. I had no issues ripping any of them and I as soon as each was done being ripped, it went into one of those clamshell cases. I have been slowly listening to the shows, and I came across a few anomalies which I attribute to various Dick's caveat emptors sated for that series as that also applies here.

Hmph.

I mean, I have serious wood for this release.

Tomorrow holiday so no delivery.

Wednesday I am at work all day.

(I just don't want some asshole to steal it while I am away if it's left on front porch).

UPS or USPS?

Hang in there, Proudfoot. Hang in there. Steady....

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Submitted by Gratefulhan on Mon, 07/03/2023 - 18:48

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So I have to say that that this tour has been quite an improvement over recent years. I completely understand the criticisms of this band, especially the tempo issue. However not only have they picked up the tempo they are playing with more vigor on this tour. I miss Billy, but Jay Lane is tremendous drummer and I really dig his style. I am couch touring the Folsom show right now and they sound good. Except they just announcing that are having a lightning alert so they stopped the show for a bit.

Lightning notwithstanding, I am glad that this is the last tour. 8 years is long enough and it seems like they are playing some of their best music for the last tour. So they are seemingly going out on top at least when compared to some of the previous years to my ears. Good times!

....yeah. Disc inserts shouldn't be this frustrating. I usually trim my fingernails extremely tight. Let Them Grow!
Regarding replacements? I used something called damage control when one of those Libby glasses came shattered. Is damage control still around?
And apologies now for my non-music related rants at times.
I'll do better.

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Submitted by Chuck on Mon, 07/03/2023 - 20:20

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A cover band cannot have any original members of the music they play Dead and Co, Furthur, The Dead, Phil and Friends Any of Mickey's or Bill's bands Are not cover bands Dark Star Orchestra is a cover band

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Submitted by Speckled Jim on Mon, 07/03/2023 - 20:48

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Anyone who preordered the FLAC download have any luck yet? I've heard nothing back from dead.net "customer service" since the automated reply (received Sunday AM, after I sent a request for help with my non-existent download Friday PM), suggesting that I read the FAQ page :(

I know it's a long holiday weekend, but this should be an easy problem to fix, especially given that plenty of people seem to be having trouble with it... I'm really looking forward to listening to this music. But needless to say, I won't be preordering again.

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Submitted by daverock on Tue, 07/04/2023 - 02:35

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I would think you would need at least two original members of a band to move it out of the cover band category. Nick Mason's Saucerful of Secrets, for example, could not be, and wasn't presented as Pink Floyd. LiveDead69 feel like a cover band, despite having Tom Constanten on keyboards. Both good bands - but basically cover bands.

The only time such a band could be passed off as the original article would be if members left gradually over a period of time while the band in question was still working, so that there was only one person left who was there at the beginning.
There is only one original member of Hawkwind left, but as he has been carrying the banner consistently for 54 years, no one seriously suggests that he should stop using the name. When he hangs up his hat it remains to be seen whether the others will carry one as Hawkwind. Gong have, under similar circumstances, and that works.
Ironically, concerning Hawkwind, circa 2000 there was another band gigging who featured about 4-5 original members - yet they were considered the cover band while the one with the lone original member seemed like, and was, the real thing.

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Tue, 07/04/2023 - 07:21

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to see these shows released: 9/20/70, great acoustic set, 2/17/79, Keith & Donna's last show, the Dead played fantastic, 9/11/81 my favorite Greek Show, you kinda had to be there, 7/13/76, seeing the Dead in the tiny Orpheum Theatre was very special. 6/17/75. the Crazy Fingers opener was worth the price of admission.

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Submitted by Dennis on Tue, 07/04/2023 - 07:39

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Just to keep the record straight.

Rupert Holmes porn soundtrack showed up yesterday,,,, guess I made the first 200,,, got an autographed copy!!!!

If interested the first 15K takes it! You know this is the one you've been waiting for.

Happy scare your dog day and Vguy I don't mind a political poke or two. Just for the sake of argument. :-)

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Submitted by deadegad on Tue, 07/04/2023 - 08:03

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I usually monitor the site every day and was watching for an alert regarding sales. For example: Only 1500 left. . .. Order before midnight tonight! Unfortunately, after logging in this morning, the 17 disc box is sold out. Serious bummer. Well, anyhow, I am on the "notify me" list if more become available. Universe bring me this box. . .. Happy July 4th to everyone! Wave that Flag!

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Submitted by VirgoHead on Tue, 07/04/2023 - 08:30

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New account from longtime lurker. Been buying/collecting commercial Dead recordings since One From the Vault at The Wall Music store in Piscataway (I think), NJ back in ‘91. Sometimes I go full boat for hard copies, other times, I go digital, especially if I don’t need any new tenguies, LOL. Usually, I find the attention to the product pretty good. Great, actually. However, I bought the HCS ALAC late on 6/30. Files downloaded fine. As good as the shows are, there are, unfortunately, many, many “frustrating omissions” in the files as the old DP caveat emptor used to say. Some prevent burning tracks to CD others burn with dead air. Made some adjustments/replacements to burn CDs and just finished listening to Kezar and I’m up to a total of 16 corrupted tracks. It’s mostly a track here and there but the content of disc 3 from 5/20/73 UCSB was almost completely corrupted. If anyone cares, I can get more specific when I finish “working” on all 5 shows. Otherwise, I’ll save it for Rhino customer service.

I’m gonna guess it’s got something to do with AUD patches that didn’t take in the files because I’ve seen comments mentioning one or two specifically that are problem tracks. Plus, I didn’t hear any of those echo-y transitions. Some of the corrupted tracks even make a sharp electronic buzz when they stop, like what I imagine it would sound like if some wasted roadie kicked the tapers plug out of the soundboard.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 07/04/2023 - 09:10

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....I can attest to that. We have two. Our male will sit with us on the sidewalk and watch the fireworks go off with laser focus.
Our female? We'll be lucky to see her before noon on the 5th.
Mayormarionbarry with the good vibes!

Whatever you do, do not purchase the FLAC. You have your best shot buying the CD box on the secondary market. Still haven't heard a word from Dead.net regarding my FLAC pre-order. No product. No refund. Nothing.

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Tue, 07/04/2023 - 09:58

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Ribeye steaks, garlic bread, potato salad, lots of chips and salsa,
lots of ice cold Sierra Nevada beer, Grateful Dead and red hot blues music. Happy July 4th. ,

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Submitted by BedHead77 on Tue, 07/04/2023 - 10:46

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Mine arrived last Friday.
No fuss, no muss.
Not a disc out of place.
Nary a scratch, smudge, or scrape to be found.
All 17 ripped without a hitch.
My ear sockets have been in a state of bliss ever since.

Nonsense!
A cover band is people who did not write or perform the music themselves.
It’s others “covering” what someone else wrote and performed.
Last I checked Bob wrote his songs, and was part of the creation process on JGs songs.
And their not calling it The Grateful Dead, it’s called Dead and Company for a reason.
The shit people get uptight about shhheeessshhh.
How bout just listen to the music, ya might like it, if not, that’s cool, perhaps base opinions on the music, not what it’s called?

VGUY: imho you can post what and as much as you like!
Wish we had more VGUYs here…

BLUECROW: another good show, though it seemed comparatively more laid back and at times (ie., He’s Gone) a slight regression to the slow plodding Han mentioned from recent past. I enjoyed this year so much I might consider The Gorge and/or Shoreline. I mean $100 for 3 HD shows in Auro 3D immersive audio in giant leather chair with everything needed a few feet away…still seems like a value to me?
What’s one concert ticket, with fees, parking, drinks etc,….not including “fuel”…

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 07/04/2023 - 11:01

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....both online and in person can confuse what is actually concern with supposed anger.
I'm not angry, but I do shake my head a lot.
One of my favorite lyrics of any song is from Phish's Bathtub Gin. "We're all in this together....(and we love to take a bath)".
I even have a Pollock print by my front door that says that to remind me every day.
Happy Independence Day everyone! We will survive.

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Submitted by Pigpen Lives on Tue, 07/04/2023 - 11:11

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Ordered the HCS box set on May 2nd and have a confirmation email. I haven't received a shipping email but see this on the order status page. Not sure what it means.

Date Ordered: 05/02/2023 9:04 pm
Order Status: In Progress
Shipped to: (my name)

So it shipped? Or is shipping "in progress"? Where's the confirmation email? Where's my item?

Something went off the rails with this release. I read here many people have had issues with shipping communication. Many people have had issues with digital downloads. Many people have received damaged discs. The release has been handled poorly. After many successful releases why would they suddenly have a bunch of issues like this? What a mess.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 07/04/2023 - 11:18

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....and to also quote Talking Heads.
"Same as it ever was.'
Oh. And The Sphere here is doing test runs on the exterior display. Looks pretty awesome. There's a couple of neat videos of it on you toob. The news says they are going unleash its full power tonight.
Currently watching the Marlins/Cardinals game. Baseball is cool. Liking the pitch clock when originally i was against it. Arraez still flirting with a .400 batting average.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Tue, 07/04/2023 - 11:21

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Release date was 6-30. I wouldn't sweat it yet. I'd wait til next week to start freaking...

Until then, freak freely.... :-) :-) :-)

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Submitted by proudfoot on Tue, 07/04/2023 - 11:31

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Every freakin' time.

My only issue is, like I said...I don't want a scumbag stealing my box set from my porch.

I would be more patient if I knew its delivery were going to be safe.

Meanwhile...what about Dave's 47???

"Mowr, mowr, mowr"

- Bill Graham

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Submitted by bluecrow on Tue, 07/04/2023 - 11:52

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Oro - mind blowing show. Whole bunch of folks flying eyeballs deep. Magic and more magic all night long. Couldn't ask for more. The Playing > lightning delay > crazy dark clouds just to the north moving so slow with a few big bolts > early Set Break > Playing > Uncles Johns > Playing Reprise was dream time stuff. Then Help > Slip > Frank > He's Gone > Other One verse 2 into drumz. No fucking way. Watchtower w/ Dave Mathews was absolute complete craziness. Nights 1 and 3 were my favorites - where Momma hides the cookies - and Night 2 damn fine also. And yes V-Guy there were the drone Space and it was super cool - "what is happening??!!" They kept flying the drones after the show was over - at one point they read "Please Be Kind" I'd write more but hitting the road now. Should be passing through Eagle in next 2-1/2 to 3 hrs if traffic up mountain ain't bad.

Wishing everybody a happy and safe July 4th with abundant good food and icy drinks and the company of family and friends.

Denver '73 Road Trips is my driving music right now.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 07/04/2023 - 11:56

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....That's. The. Entire. Point.
Congratulations man.
You got the goods. Drive safe and enjoy the beauty that this county has to offer.
She's a beautiful.
I was just looking at Oracle Park tix. But, I shot a huge wad to see the Cup.
Ebbs and flows.

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Submitted by daverock on Tue, 07/04/2023 - 14:39

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Seems ironic that this is the first release that has sold out for a while, and most of the posts about it on here concern problems with shipping and/or packaging. Not exactly a recommendation for prospective buyers of future releases.
Maybe they should take more care about the way discs are stored within a box, and less on what the actual box looks like.
These box sets are sometimes referred to as "works of art". If they are, then this surely because of the music, not the packaging.

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Submitted by rasta5ziggy on Tue, 07/04/2023 - 15:14

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Like I said, I'm so glad that the folks who were not there when we were lucky enough to have been there can enjoy the music now, but the same 50-60 songs for the past 8 years from D & C ???? .....so much more to choose from. Seen one Dead and C show, you seen them all.

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Submitted by SPACEBROTHER on Tue, 07/04/2023 - 15:17

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Received mine at the beginning of the weekend. Shows no movement but estimates it's arrival on Saturday. No sweat. Would have been surprised if this box didn't sell out before the release date. It contains at least a couple of highly coveted shows and perfect companion shows to go along with those. Any shows they performed with The Allmans are essential.

Hope Dave hits on a choice '91 show for a pick this year. 4/1/91 and 9/26/91 are two gorillas in that room.

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Submitted by Crow Told Me on Tue, 07/04/2023 - 18:07

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My copy of HCS arrived via UPS on Sunday, just a couple days after the official release date. Had a good time yesterday listening to the Kezar show (which I've heard, but never in such excellent sound) and now today checking out the first RFK (which I've never heard before). The music's great, of course. The Dead could do no wrong in '73 (unless we count Seastones, right?) and they are playing and singing at a creative peak here. But you knew that.

Sorry to hear that along with the standard shipping woes some folks have also encountered issues with corrupted discs. So far so good for me through 5 discs (and counting). It always worries me when I get a big box set that I might not get to some of these discs for weeks or months, so if there's a problem I might not figure that out for a while. But I have to say the one time I did have a problem (the June 76 box) TPTB sent a replacement quickly.

The fi is especially hi on what I've heard so far. I love it that KG is so nicely audible. He was really contributing to the jams during that period: check out his "dialogue" with Garcia on the Kezar TTO. And I always love it that Bob's guitar is equally well represented as it is here. Vocals are often a little low in the mix, but if you're like me, that's just fine as long as you can hear each individual instrument at any given time. Which, praise ye gods, is what we get.

So, big kudos and a giant THANK YOU to EVERYBODY who was involved in choosing and remastering and shipping this material. Now, on to the petty gripes!

Not super thrilled with the packaging. I prefer it when it's easy to grab an individual show and take it with me on a long car ride (such as with the NW box for example) and I don't like it that much when the CDs are stored in thin card board slip cases that are both unwieldy and flimsy (as with Spring 77 and this set). Kind of surprised there's no booklet with none of the insightful essays we've gotten with some other sets, just flimsy inserts with brief notes on each show. And it takes a lot of shelf space, which is an issue for me: I'm going to either have to stop buying these boxes or get a bigger house.

I suppose I could go with the FLACs, but those orders seem always to be plagued with technical problems, and they're almost as expensive as the physical product, for some reason. Seems like they should be a lot cheaper. Seriously, it's been a great run with all these lavish boxes with deluxe packaging, but I'm getting to the point where I might prefer cheaper, less lavish, cheaper and more compact physical editions. Just sayin.

Wah wah wah, right? Let me return to my origin point: I am beyond stoked to have this music, which is outstanding in every respect, in my collection. We're so lucky these recordings got made, and that there's this reissue program that brings them to us in such good sound. I was thinking about it the other day: Zeppelin was the biggest band in the universe during the time these concerts were recorded (and played Kezar shortly after the Dead did), and how many quality live recordings do we have from them? How much would Zep fans love to see a reissue program like the Dead has? But alas, you want live Zep (so much of which is outstanding) you have to listen to somebody's 50 year old cassette recordings and use a lot of imagination.

OK, I'm done. Back to the BBQ, IPA, and GOGD. Have a great Fourth y'all.

Sorry you feel that way, but certainly understandable and your opinion is always welcome.
Sounds like we both agree that it’s nice the “music” lives on, especially for those who missed out!

Seastones is great! (I do seem to be in the minority on that opinion...)

And Seastones was 1974, not 1973.

Not really mad. Just impatiently waiting for the box set.

Y'all be cool, CTM.

and Spacebrother...maybe a '91 will indeed happen.

It has been 38 picks since our one and only 1980…
But It’d be cool if they did 6/22/91 (especially with video) since they did some kinda work on it to show it, and a 68 for number 48.

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Submitted by djmac4289 on Wed, 07/05/2023 - 07:52

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Apologies if buried below as somehow a freaking DeadCo discussion and debate erupted in a thread about a 73 box set, but is anyone else noticing a whole mess of errors with the downloads? There are tracks that are corrupted and cut off and even a few tracks, notably 5/20 Other One Eyes, for fukks sakes!, that are listed as not available in your country, which is something considering I am in the US. I have tried downloading multiple times to see if perhaps the process created problems, but nope. Same crap, different download. I have been a loyal buyer of everything, I mean everything, in terms of DP and box sets and releases the past 20 years, but this is the first serious issue I have encountered outside of the annoying shipping delay, and one "never arrived" situation which was rectified very promptly. Its somewhat outrageous that this product gets delivered so haphazardly. Anyone else having these issues, assuming of course you even received your download, which seems to be another gem of a hiccup with this release.

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Submitted by nitecat on Wed, 07/05/2023 - 09:06

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Sorry to hear of bad discs with the new box. My box is SFSG. One disc was loose. I did my usual quick visual check of each disk, no scratches or smears. After reading about the discs, I realize I must do a quick test of each disc in my player. Will do as soon as I get back home.
I admit the disc sleeves are oversize and cumbersome. Personally I am impressed with the artwork. I think this box is one of the most beautiful boxes I have ever seen. I will proudly display it in my box bookshelf, which I admit has run out of space- need another bookshelf!
Besides mini books for each concert, there is a booklet for the overall box, its just smaller than usual.

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