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    Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

    Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

    Subject: setting me on fire

    left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

    yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

    Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

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  • onthebussince77
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    DaP #51 info on your DaP subscription order page

    I won't spoil it. If you want to know, go to your DaP 2024 order confirmation email from last year and click on the order number. That will take you to the CHECK ORDER page. Enter the order number, your email, and zip code and you'll see a receipt with all the details.

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    Amazon Prime Dayz....

    ....ooooh. A Klipsch R-120SW subwoofer for $240?
    Sign me up.

  • proudfoot
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    A punk band I forgot to list

    China White

    Their album Danger Zone ROCKS

    X is categorized as punk, but I just call 'em rock n roll

  • Vguy72
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    My punk dayz....

    ....finally getting around to organizing my record collection. Quite the task. I have over 300 records going back to my teenage days and just starting getting back into them as you know.
    Holy flashback Batman. Stumbled across some T.S.O.L., Cramps, Misfits, Corrosion Of Conformity, Agent Orange and Subhumans records I bought decades ago. They still hold up.
    According to discogs, some of the Misfits records I own are worth a pretty penny. Not that I would ever sell them.

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    The Stooges (the ones with Iggy, not Larry and Curly) loomed over punk in the US in a huge way, too. It was almost impossible to go to a punk gig in 1977 and not hear at least one Stooges cover. (My own proto punk band played I'm Loose and No Fun. Very poorly!) The Stooges and the Velvet Underground and the NY Dolls were really the foundation, along with the '60s garage bands.

    And btw, there was a fair amount of give and take in those early days between punk and various brands of psychedelia, including the Dead. Punks were supposed to hate hippies, but in reality we were often on the same drugs and disliked a lot of the same things. Greg Ginn of Black Flag was a big deadhead, for instance. Also, my LSD connection was a hippie neighbor who one day shaved his long hair and 'went punk.' after a gig by X. Lee Renaldo of Sonic Youth was a deadhead, lots of others.

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    70's punk- The Stooges

    Iggy and The Stooges were massively influential in England during the second half of the 70's. In some ways, as Chuck Berry was to the 60's, they were to the 70's. Starting with Nick Kent's article in the NME in 1972 about their legendary show at Kings Cross, in London, to Raw Power the following year and the discovery of their first two albums. Their tracks, No Fun and 1970 were covered The Sex Pistols and The Damned, among others, but nobody came close really.
    When Iggy finally toured England, in 1977, it was one of the most eagerly anticipated rock events I have ever witnessed. Unfortunately - despite having David Bowie on keyboards - his moment had clearly passed. Still good - but not quite what he had been.

    The New York Dolls were important too. appearing on the rock programme "The Old Grey Whistle Test" circa 1973. After a blistering and shambolic "Jet Boy" and "Looking For A Kiss" they were put down by a visibly bemused, and slightly miffed Bob Harris as "mock rock". The 1970's were taking shape!

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    It just (duh) dawned on me where all the extra glue bits came from on the HCS box CDs

  • Gary Farseer
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    Hey Dave!!!

    Listened to Dave's#40 - Deer Creek this past weekend. Even though I had listened to it several times, it really floored me. Nice Pick Indeed! Some great playing and the recording Dan captured is top notch.

    I was much more in the active listener mode instead groove pilot.

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    Great write-up. Especially for someone like me that was on a different musical direction. Always admired the Ramones for what they did and their history. What playing the Roundhouse in London in 1976? And more importantly, from my perspective, they never strayed to far from their charter.

    Did I see the NYDolls in their, cant remember.

    So for me, who has never been in a mosh pit, it was very enlightening!!!

    Now how much will I remember? That has become the question.

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    Seventies punk is kind of an obsession for me, partly because it was maybe the only key moment in rock history that I had a mosh pit view of. I was around for a lot of the earliest gigs by LA area bands like X, Black Flag, Social D, and I saw the West Coast club debuts of everybody from Patti to Television, the Damned, Clash etc. Fun times!

    So I would say that when people first started using the term "punk" to describe what was happening, it was because they were referring to the way a bunch of scruffy upstart bands who were rebelling against the corporate rock status quo of the mid-'70s and trying to overthrow the established order, even though they didn't seem to have the wherewithal (ie, money, connections, looks etc) to do it. I think "punk" being used in the way it was used in gangster noir movies: the "punk" is the small time hood with big ambitions who is almost certainly doomed to be crushed by the mob, the police, the power structure.

    It wasn't really a musical style. Which is why that first wave of "punk" included artists as diverse as Patti, Television, Talking Heads, Deco, Pete Ubu, Suicide, and yes, the Ramones. I think what happened, as Daverock said, is that the Ramones offered a blueprint of what "punk rock" sounded like, and it was one that was easily copied, even by people who'd never picked up a guitar until yesterday. If you liked the Ramones, you could get together a couple friends, learn three chords, and start a band. And dozens and dozens (if not hundreds) did. Suddenly there was lots of bands that sounded like that in every town, and that was taken to be what "punk" was.

    About Television specifically: I personally think they took too long to record, and as a result we missed out on hearing the earliest version of the band, when Richard Hell was still a member and when they sounded a lot more raw and basic in a way we associate with punk. If you're curious, look up the Ork Loft recordings, a video made in 1974, and you'll see what I mean. That's what they sounded like when they'd been together for about a year. They did some demos with Eno after Hell left the band in December ''74, which are a lot more polished. And then they didn't record their Elektra album till September 1976. By which time they were one the tightest bands you'll ever hear, and not much like what we think of as "punk."

    Anyway. I would recommend hearing EVERYTHING Television ever did. Marquee Moon is a stone classic, the follow up, Adventure, much under-rated, and the live boots and Eno demos are all really good too. Even the reunion stuff is worth hearing.

    Sorry for the long post. I warned you I was kind of obsessed with this stuff.

    And, hey, Dave, where's that announcement?

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Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

Subject: setting me on fire

left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

Result of test is that the word ‘ W I n g s’
is still banned.

Must be that Rhino has something against Paul McCartney.

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I agree with people who talk about video being a distraction. Some of the video is VERY nice, but I don't want to think about the images, I want to think about the music. I too listened to a lot of shows without opening my eyes.

I like to see some dynamic, moving tie dye patterns. Swirling patterns that suck you into another dimension.

did it work?

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I wonder about the sound at the sphere.

So far I've only heard how it sounds via a cell phone!

Hard to imagine a focused sound from so high up.

They claim all seats sound great!?!

I too like to hear from an attendee.

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I've been sorting and labeling a massive amount of Allman Brothers shows, so I get to listen to quite a few chunks of "things".

I have to say, in my opinion, far and away their best song is In Memory of Elizabeth Reed.

God I love this tune.

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Like all things, it is reasonable to expect an evolution of musical presentation with venues like Sphere. The fact that bands want to try to do things a little differently, to bring another facet to their music is pretty intriguing IMHO. The tech hadn't existed until now, and even now, there will be varying degrees of how it is used, what a vision may be for the future, etc. It does seem to be a marvel in its own right, but with discerning Deadheads (and Phisheads) it is understandable why there is such a fervor of opinions and criticality as well as outright love and adoration. It's because we all put so much of ourselves and our expectations into this music because we are forever pursuing that happiness, that edge of the cliff that brings the thrill of the unknown. This venue allows people to take hold of that expectation - or not - depending on what each of our preferences may be. For those who love to close the eyes and groove out to the music with the inner visuals, that's great; for those who want to take in the incredible offerings of the video, it's there to absorb in all its glory. At a minimum, the sound is really supposed to be top notch from every corner, so there shouldn't be many complaints there. At the end of the day, it all comes down to individual expectations and how each of the attendees opens themselves to possibilities. Still would be interesting to hear of anyone's first hand impressions at the venue but I know we'll get VGuy's feedback before too long.

As an aside, I'm spinning DaP18 (17JULY76) and am reminded just how incredible that Comes A Time turned out. It's the most lovely piece of work on that song I've ever heard.

Do Carry On,
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P.S. Thx 1stShow for setting me straight on my 17's vs. 18's

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Hoy Nhow fix would take no time, little money. In my old job, projects frozen, budget resources reallocated? Seen this before, right before sell out. No idea if im right. Something doesnt make sense round these parts....Just hope the new overlords show us mercy, should my uneducated guess be correct. Or I will just wait till the dust clears...and the ducks are all lined up. The music is all that matters to me in the end.

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Great nickname!
I think it's DaP 18.
Cheers
Edit: Putting that one in the queue.
The bonus has a Spanish Jam.

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I was once told I would be thrown out of a venue if I didn't open my eyes while listening. I can remember being told this, then drifting off again, only to open my eyes to see staff glaring at me from across the room. One of the advantages of wearing shades, I guess. No one can see where you're not looking.

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My friend's spouse just bailed on him for a Billy Strings show tonight, so I guess I'm suddenly his +1! I've never seen Billy before, so this should be a hoot! I'll definitely close my eyes during portions, as I often close my eyes for large portions of the classical and jazz concerts I normally attend. What we THINK we see can be deceiving, and is often distracting . . .

It’s the music that matters, which is why sitting behind the stage at a GD show was still a lot of fun.

But if the visuals of the Sphere are what matters, then Roger Waters will probably be the future King of the Sphere.

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42 years ago( boy that time went by fast) I was up in Berkeley ( along with a lot of great people who post here on this forum) having a blast with the Good old Grateful Dead. Fun times.

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I know it is jumping the gun a bit, but just pulled out "1 from the Vault" for the first time in a loong while.. hope a new mix/mastering of this show will come with the 50th..

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Danehead, they remastered it in 2007 in HDCD. It is a big upgrade. I picked one up a couple of years ago and was glad I did.

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....Furiosa : A Mad Max Saga comes out this weekend.
Big fan of the Mad Max movies. Tix secured. I'll see you down the ole' Fury Road.
Far cry from the Lazy River Road for sure. 🍻.

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I've never seen a Mad Max film, but the fact that the extraordinary looking Anya Taylor-Joy is in the latest has been noted.

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Going to see this hot band tomorrow night. Looking forward to it!

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....waiting for DH Brewers thoughts.
The setlist looks 👌
Edit. Breaking news. Google Live Nation news.
The wheels of justice move slow, but they move.
I'll be keeping a close eye on this.

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Ha Ha....it was 56 years ago this past weekend that I had my 17 year old brain fried...it was a show at the Shrine Expo Hall in LA...Grateful Dead, Steve Miller Band & Taj Mahal (with Jesse Ed Davis)...a month before high school graduation and the draft staring me in the mug...

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Tedeschi Trucks Band is DA BOMB!!! Have a great time...

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That is pretty sweet Nappy,. That is a long time ago and you are still at it. That is great. Looking forward to hopefully some new release news soon.

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When the movie came out there was a review that said, "you swear the stunt people had to die".

Dave, did they have drive-ins in England?

Love me some drive-in.

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When all that Taylor Swift ticket business was happening I was kind of excited, I KNEW something would finally be done about it. It is however very annoying that it took as long as it did, like we'd still be getting screwed. I could go on for a very long time about this...

Hey, we have three weeks in a row of new releases coming up! NEW Jerry!! :)

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Dennis - no I don;t think they had drive ins in England. I was never away of them anyway. I remember one of my friends going to outdoor showings of films in Brighton about 20 years ago - usually cult films. "Withnail And I" was one, featuring the above advice from drug dealer Danny. He was one of the best screen versions of a hippie/freak circa England 1969 that I have ever seen. " You have to find your neutral space" - wise words for the over stoned.

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ConeKid & Doc both get shutouts in this month's GD Bulletin;
The volume appears to be on and turned up, people!
Inspiration is Everywhere.

"Some great comments in the thread too. ForensicDocEleven recalls the 1984 solstice show: “My best friend and I were at the 6/21/84 show, we rode up on the motorcycles and had a blast. The three song encore was super sweet. Hey now!” And, on the subject of road trip soundtracks, Icecrmcnkid is playing 11-10-67, has 5/15/70 queued up, and muses, “Does GOGD help reduce road rage? I think it does.”"

Stay Inspiring,
Sixtus

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Amazing film. Richard E. Grant as Withnail is a towering performance of a loathsome, awful person. Glad he's getting more roles in big films these days. How To Get A Head in Advertising is also brilliant, and just as insane. Think it was the same writer-director of Withnail. Frightening how much of that story is based on his actual life. Never thought I'd see that mentioned on deadnet.

Edited to add: Ralph Brown as Danny is just fantastic in Withnail as well. He was also the insane roadie Del Preston in Wayne's World 2.

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… hello my brothers and sisters, hope all is well with everyone! Dicks Picks #12 is Primo!
Coming in July, ‘ Experience Vinyl’ is Releasing “ ‘Shakedown Street’ - Blue Vinyl on 7/26/24
‘Go To Heaven’ - Blue Vinyl on 7/26/24
‘Dead Set’ Vinyl on 7/5/24
‘ Reckoning’ - Vinyl on 7/5/24

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I think I asked you this before about the Santa Clara Pop Festival May '69...a blast through and through...If I remember right I think you said your Brother and some of his friends went... a shame we can't post pictures here like before...My wife and I about 20 years ago were visiting a friend at his new girlfriend's house...she had the festival poster framed and on her kitchen wall...I yelped and told her I had been at that gig and she walked over, took it off the wall and handed it to me...GULP....a very sweet gesture on her part and I knew at that moment she was way to good for my friend...I've previously mentioned here the story about Jefferson Airplane's performance...for fear of being Now'ed I will save it for another post....

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My brothers friend went in 1968 and saw the Dead play, another friend went in 1969 and saw Hendrix play. He has a hand bill from the 1969 show that his friend gave him.

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42 years ago ( where did the time go) I was at the Greek Theatre along with Nappy and a lot of other great folks having a great Sunday with the Grateful Dead. Fun times.

Nice to be anywhere, as Keith Richards likes to point out - but it must have been particularly great to see The Dead in the late 60's. Not to mention Hendrix. Truly legendary.

I believe a few Camberwell Carrots were sparked up at that outdoor showing of "Withnail and I' in Brighton. So yes, it would have been nice to have been there, too. Groovy town, Brighton, by the sound of it.

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for good ole Bob Dylan, Mr. Zimmerman makes around the sun one more time. Congratulations and will fire one up for you today.

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This morning just got an early morning amazon delivery of vinyl bootleg series More BOTT, loving it!

Side note, never had Nightfall Diamonds cd, picked up RSD vinyl and it is sooo great!

Today arrives Dicks Real Gone, getting Head ready.

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Can you believe it's been 23 years since this was originally released? Wowser.

1989 is the gift that keeps on giving. Unlike Spring 90, this year has been released sporadically in drips and drabs over the years but to me it's at least as good maybe better.

I know everyone has their own comfort spot for GD and 80's falls outside the purview of many. For me it's an equalizer and palate cleanser. The yang that follows ying. Nightfall has always been in rotation. Some of those late era Let It Grow's for example are powerful statements that the GD was still relevant and had some gas left in their tank. I have warmed up to the Giants 89 show lately also. The Giants box might be just a tad under rated.

As for Bangor ME, one of my earliest tapes. I believe I got this in the same batch as the 12/7 Felt Forum show with that rare Washed My Hands in Muddy Water. I have a great fondness for this one, it's baked into a lot of memories.

Back to your regularly scheduled 32 minute Other One followed by work avoidance until the clock strikes quitting time and our holiday weekend officially starts.

Edit: Wow, how did I get that one through the hey now filters and scrubbers? Praise be, have a good weekend ya'all.

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I was there. On the rail. It was great. Always worth a listen!
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My copy arrived today. I received the shipping mail on April 23 and it is now May 24. After I had paid the inevitable baksheesh to the Dutch customs, they inexplicably held on to the package for 16 days before passing it on to the postal service. What were they doing? Sleeping on the job? Anyway, it is now here and I have something new to listen to this weekend.

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Hey Nappy, TTB WAS the Bomb! What a fun show, many highlights, a great cover of "into the Mystic", and this is a band with a strong sense of dynamics, loud to quiet at a moments notice. That's something lacking in many bands, IMHO.

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Funny to think that show at the Berkeley Greek was 40 years ago today. Fun to know that Marye BtK and other kool people here were also there. I was the tall geeky white dude with the Bertha shirt who kept yelling for Bird Song. Back near the sounboard, a little to the right. Remember me?

Also also there was my friend Holly. Girl, if you're out there somewhere please know I still think of you fondly. You are a magnificent Buddha.

About time for the box set announcement, innit? Time for the Big Berkeley Box, I say.

PS: I'll be seeing TTB at the Greek one week from now.

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I hope its something from 1970, with electric and acoustic music. Somehow I feel it might be from 76, 77, or 78. I'm sure that I'll enjoy it whatever it is.

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I'm hoping for a banana box. The packaging could be simple, yellow, blue and white but instead of Chiquita it reads Owsley. 1968 and 1969. (70 will do, but they are scarce)

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