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    Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

    Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

    Subject: setting me on fire

    left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

    yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

    Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

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  • Gary Farseer
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    I can post here but not on 51.

    WMD - are starting with some changes.

    51 always goes to product recommendations now.

  • daverock
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    Taking liberties

    RYXS - what, no St. Stephen?

  • RyXs
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    Beyond and besides what I've already been doing, (in regards to my previous post) my "Terrapin album live" playlists are now peppered with 1976 "Dancin' Streets" and "Passenger" tracks from spring 1978. I swear this is the last I post about this, and of anything on this 1977 thread!

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    All this talk of oversaturated 1977 releases got me thinking. Re~imagine the Terrapin Station album. For one, as I grew older and wiser when it comes to the Dead & their music, I realized how live was always better. I used to collect the studio albums 30 years or so ago when I wasn't hip to the tape trader circuit. Now them studio albums are long gone and I have a supreme live {mostly official releases} collection to date. So what better way to get rid of that over saturated "Phil Spector Beattles" sound than to implement live versions of the album's songs! I have all my music discs on the computer so this is quite a simple and really fun time consuming task. One difference is I add a "Fire" with no "Scarlett" and place it between "Estimated" & "Dancin'Streets" because I had heard it really was a 1977 Terrapin sessions song and just missed the cut. Not that the song doesn't fit in the "Shakedown" album motif, I just like it better in my mix! So now I have 13 different versions of the Terrapin Station album, to go along with the THOUSANDS of playlists! Still wanting 4/23/77.

  • Crow Told Me
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    The cover art on DaP 51 is OK, but seems like kind of a missed opportunity. I mean, we're talking about a show that was at the Catholic Youth Center. The mind is boggled by the wealth of graphic art possibilities.

    Sure, The Office was a fun show. But it wasn't as fun as making fun of nuns.*

    *I am allowed to say this because I am a "failed" Catholic whose knuckles are still sore after suffering the wrath of those deranged ruler-wielding pelicans.

  • proudfoot
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    Dark Star on 4 26 71

    I just had to say it

  • JeffSmith
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    Thar she blows

    Dave's 51 is up on its pre-order page in the store. Three CDs with some tasty extras.

  • Oroborous
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    Easy there Dexter ; )

    Isn’t the cover a photo of Uncle Joe back in his Scranton daze?

  • alvarhanso
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    Filler 10/24/70 and 4/12/71

    So, we do get an Other One, finish off 10/24/70 and a full disc from the night before. I'll take it, especially for an early Wharf Rat as well!

    Was hoping that the joke about the Catholic Girl (with the tiny little mustache) would make the cover. "They're learning to blow" and "Alllllllll the waaaaaaaaayyyyyyy" make that one of Zappa's most hilarious tracks.

    And don't forget, "Hey she gave me VD!" But I guess we get a Steve Carrell reference instead, too bad Dwight or Mose isn't lurking in the background.

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    While we can bemoan the # of 1971 shows released in the DaP series, this is the first from the spring with all the others from the fall of 1971. This is a completely different band from the previously released 1971 shows. In fact, in the last 20+ years, there have been just a few releases of shows with this configuration from 1971-- Ladies and Gentlemen, Three From the Vault and the bonus discs to WD and AB (with one of them including Mickey, so not quite). I agree with doc, Good Lovin' was frequently the jam of the night instead of Dark Star or Other One-- and they cooked in the month of April 1971.

    I will mention I am a bit disappointed in #50. I like May 1977, but little of that release truly 'grabs' my attention. Nice show, but nothing extraordinary. I love #49 though and will likely very much enjoy #51.

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Dave's Picks Vol. 50: Palladium, New York City, NY 5/3/77

Reviewer: WolfmansBrother - favoritefavoritefavoritefavorite - February 11, 2008 - Online Review

Subject: setting me on fire

left the orchestra section during ship of fools and arrived in the loge for the basso profundo MNS - it's the best of the tour so far, i think, and the balcony is shakin' to its raging outro leading. i sit to take a short break, too.

yet another night of the first set seeming to spill over. first half of this second set is well-played, indeed, but the sugaree is the INSANE highlight, and keith and jerry are battling it out. one of the strongest estimateds of tour and i, for one, am happy for the FOTD break. the second half belongs to jerry - eyes is short but stellar and bridges to yet another rip-your-heart-out wharf rat, and NFA showcases some down in the weeds jamming. we're stomping and clapping and grinning our faces off, and then joint is jumping for sure as they close it down. another fine UJB encore sends me out the door, so very deeply in love with this band and its music. is there anything better than being a deadhead?

Is there anything better than being a Dead Head when one of your favorite shows is officially released in its entirety? We'll double down on your sentiments WolfmansBrother, with DAVE'S PICK VOLUME 50: PALLADIUM, NEW YORK CITY, NY 5/3/77, and we'll bring the fire extinguisher to cool you off after you listen to Betty Cantor-Jackson's complete recording. Don't want the party to end? We'll stoke those embers with a few hot tracks from the first set of  5/4/77. Dave's Picks Subscribers score the monstrous second set from 5/4/77 featuring "Scarlet>Fire,"  "Terrapin," 'Playing In The Band," "Comes A Time," and more. Woowee!

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, this release has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman at Mockingbird Mastering. 

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I'm surprise I got the last one thru.

On the ripping front,,, I find if the cd is filled to the brim, sometimes the last track doesn't rip well. Mostly I have this issue with audio books. I got a good rip via media player,,, I used to use cd-ex, but it lost it database of album and song titles and I was having to type them all in. Found media player works just fine.

I've have also had mixed luck with coping the cd to the HD as a wave, then using the wave to convert to mp3.

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Sounds like maybe a caching issue? Let me know if you see this again, thanks!
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That’s been going on for years. I’ve even had it where I can view different versions of the same page at the same time on a phone and tablet.
At the bottom of the main page where it lists the 4 most recent posts those can be hours old.
This all happens when I visit the page but am not logged in.

Edit:
That got through.
Sometimes hitting the ‘recent posts’ button doesn’t actually get you to the most recent post. Going back a few pages and then coming back to page 1 usually updates to the most recent post, but not always.
Most of that goes away if I log in.
Sometimes while logged in I get logged out by changing pages.
Like I said, this has been going on for years, I’m used to it.

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Different CD players and different burners can give various results.
I always play the new CD’s first to make sure they play in my player, then copy to a HD, convert to ALAC, load on a microSDXC card, and play with a portable music player connected to my stereo system.
I’ve had many instances of the ripped copy having defects.
I no longer use software to make the copy for the HD but instead mount the disc on the desktop and drag the files to the HD. Seems to be working good so far as long as the CD’s don’t have glue on them…….

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Appreciate the feedback.
Sent you an email Dennis.

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Looks like it is Hawaii (!!) june 1970 and Alaska 1980.. well, you never can tell..

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what is this now??

Edit: I saw the forum, that's kinda strange, and I guess it makes sense, a little.

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What forum? You have some news for us?

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Steve Hoffman forum, I think its the Dave's Picks 2024 subscription thread.

It's what Danehead said...see below

Edit again...dosen't mean its true though....

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Sound like a disastrous combination if you ask me. What do you mean, you didn't?!

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So, no idea if this is true.
They already released one of the Hawaii shows as Dave's #19.

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One thing for certain,I'm always completely surprised. when the box set is finally announced, like what a surprise, I never saw that one comming.

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would be my guess. If true of course.

The sphere shows are all abuzz with the younger kids. Now my daughter wants to go.

Let us know your thoughts VGuy.

Go Oilers. They saved their season last night.

If that is the box, I will take a pass as I did on the In and Out of the Garden box. And nothing I've heard about that box makes me think I erred in that decision. Would be sad to miss a couple 1970 shows, but no need for 2 half-baked Alaska shows, and one decent one from a full decade later. I agree with the post on Steve Hoffman that said this supposed idea may sound good stoned, but fades into terrible when sober. At least that's my initial, negative reaction.

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Hopefully they put together a box set from the tapes from the banana boxes. 1970 , 1980 box set , strange combination, but I'd buy it in a heart beat.

Billy, given your anniversary shows, we probably rubbed shoulders cause I was at a lot of those bay area shows you mention. Moscone 82 is one I missed, can't remember why. Probably some other commitment.

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Got him keptain!
Cheers
Edit: Oops, thought I was on the Star Trek thread

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I hope the boys do something tonight to pay tribute to our boy Bill.

What a tremendous human being. I mean how many people get their obituary on the front page of the NY Times? Met him briefly at a show during the NYE run in 89. So down to earth.

I was listening to an interview with Jim Gray yesterday on a sports talk show. He told a story about how when he and Bill Walton were broadcast partners, they were interviewing the Boston Celtics. Evidently, Larry Bird refused to speak with Jim because of some critical comments he made in the past. So what does Bill do? Scolds Larry for his behavior. From that day forward, Jim had complete access to the Celtics locker room and said he eventually became friends with Bird. Now that’s loyalty and the hallmark of a good man.

God Bless You Bill.

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Sure would be a strange choice to pair Hawaii '70 with Alaska '80. What exactly is the concept there? Other than those are last two states to join the Union and they're both really far away from the rest of the country and they're both places the Dead almost never played?

Whatever. I'd buy it for the Pigpen '70 stuff. Though it'd probably make more sense to release a couple of those shows as Dave's Picks.

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Two very tasty pieces of sushi.
In Hawaii tuna maguro is called big eye tuna and swims around the islands.
When in Honolulu years ago I had big eye tuna sushi and Alaskan salmon sushi.
It was spectacular.
A great sushi combination but a poor Box combination.

But of course I would still buy it.

Seems a bizarre hybrid to me, for all the pounding on the primal drum. Will consult my local shaman. Among today's most important announcements, tickets for The Rolling Stones at Thunder Ridge only $800 before tax and booking fees and no doubt the site preservation fund and special FX. Things that make you go hhmmmm, but that's my first Phish over in MA. Hey Now. Now delving into my first dip of Electric on the Eel. Tasty.

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What's up with that?

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....good one.
Alaska would make a good mini-box in my opinion.
But I've been pounding that drum here for a decade. 🍻

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These two shows would make a nice release, or part of a larger 1969 box set. Throw in April Avalon Ballroom, 6/27 & 28 /69, 10/31/69, Ark shows, and you would have a great 1969 box set.. There might also be some great 1969 tapes in those banana boxes.

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...remember folks that is any box's requirement from TPTB:

DL: We wanted it to sound sonically unified, which means if we had a PA DAT from1993 — very good shows in ‘93 that maybe someday would be released — but they just sonically wouldn’t quite hold up to the same level of the ‘87, ‘89 and ’91. Plus, ...sonic unification that all sounds good; similar to the way the Pacific Northwest sounded very similar because the recordings were made by the same recordists with the same techniques and the same equipment. Now, if we put in some Pacific Northwest, let’s say ‘77, into that box it wouldn’t have sounded at all the same because we would have also had Betty [Cantor] recordings in there, too. That was kind of how that ended up going.

I can't believe the rumor of mixing '70 GOGD w/ '80, nah...shaking my head, can't happen

Both tonight and tomorrow' night's Tedeschi Trucks Band's shows from Berkeley will be streamed on nugs...some fun...

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I totally agree with the Kidd about a box of some 1969 Oregon shows. I've even seen a bootleg on line somewhere of a show they did in St. Hellens of all places! That venue was even more far out of town {PdXs} than Springer's Inn was, to which was also a good Down Load Series {#2, Jan. 18, 1970} release.

I've never really thought about that before - but on reflection, the boxes that span different years don't really hold up as box sets for me. Both The St. Louis and North Pacific ones feature great shows - but I have never played them in the order they are presented since the first time I played them. I still hear each years shows in the context of other shows from that year - not in the context of other shows in the box they are released in.

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And melt into a dream, but like daverock, I like more of the single year boxes. Even if it means lower distinct song count, and more of a monotonous sound if on repeated listens. Sometimes the difference between tours is enough of a demarcation point for me to strongly prefer the sound of one over the other, such as Spring '77 vs Fall '77. Fall '72 vs Summer '72. Differences between years are often more jarring, usually due to recording and equipment differences, but also musically. Pigpen to Brent in one box, with no Keith would be massively jarring. For multi-year boxes, I lean more toward the '72 shows in Listen to the River, the '89 shows in Giants Stadium, and enjoy the PacNW shows pretty evenly. 30 Trips doesn't count, I was getting that no matter what, plus, it encompasses all years, save 1965. Give me a central focus for a box, and I'm much happier. That's my view on it, anyway.

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I don't think I've ever listened to a box set all the way through in order. Or even tried.

They come in the mail, and I cue up the first disc of whichever show I'm most eager to hear, and I listen to that show, all the way through in one sitting, if possible. And then I make plans to get to all the rest of 'em sooner than later.

I did think the variety you get in something like the River box was nice. The '71 shows were significantly different from the '73 ones in every way: personnel, set lists, and most certainly audio quality. If Dave has said he values continuity in a box set, I don't what he was thinking there.

Bottom line: I just want great shows in good sound. Most (not all, but most) of the boxes deliver. Hawaii '70 and Alaska '80 would be a weird combo, but I'm-a try to withhold judgment till I hear the music. Or at least confirm the rumor.

100 % agree. That's the way I see it, too.
Different years/decades, different set-lists makes it even more interesting to listen to something new.
For comparison you always have your own personal archive.
HI '70 and AK '80 sounds very interesting to me.
And there's a lot more!
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The only way this works in my mind is if the sets are really bluesy themed. For the 1970 Pig shows, that's an easy reach with songs like Easy Wind! Now for the early era Brent shows, they've certainly got a more gritty blues sounding feel than much of the Keith and Donna era. At first I do think it does sound odd, (and still a rumor) to pair 1970 with 1980, but with a bluesy motif and set list for '80, I believe one could match up the somewhat seemingly distant eras. I don't think that same philosophical idea would work for applying late '80s Brent era to primal Pig.

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Came here via a slingshot on Mars. It's been a minute... I grew weary of getting constantly hey now'd.

Was just wondering if folks were talking about the box set rumors. And I see you have been :) Me, I don't know what to make of it. I'll certainly buy it if it's true; the Alaska solstice show is fun. And I'm always down for 1970! But if it's actually true then it's a strange brew. Like Grape Pistachio ice cream. And yet the people who like Grape Pistachio really like Grape Pistachio...

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Love both G/P and will love this box, too.. BW for a happy weekend to you all..

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Not coming thru,,,,

verification

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Doesn’t matter what’s in it as long as it sounds better than what I already have, or is something I don’t already have.
I want it all.
I copy the CD’s to a HD, convert to ALAC, load onto a microSDXC card, and play with a music player. Each show goes into a folder named as the date of the show. Thus, all shows are chronological in my collection and aren’t ordered according the DP, DaP, RT, or Box number.

Bring on the Halaskawaii Box.

....are they a thing of the past?
Big fan here if true.
I couldn't listen to an Aiko Aiko without PTSD kicking in.

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No, they've been pushing me about a bit today on here.
And to get this masterpiece on here, I had to guess how many crosswalks there were in some squares. Whatever the heck a crosswalk is. I worked it out.

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a zebra Dave.
I had to look that up.
Cheers
btw, this week's GD Hour is darn good.

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